Thranduil could've been one of those mediocre, minor elf character of Tolkien's universe. But Lee Pace made him one of the most alluring elf characters of the Tolkien's world.

@kumabear3529

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely, I would even go as far as saying that his scenes are what make the movies watchable

@maouimaisnon2535

10 ай бұрын

he couldn't have been mediocre. Never

@That1Outlander

9 ай бұрын

@@kumabear3529 idk,the camaraderie between bilbo and the dwarves is inspiring. So too with Gandalf and bilbo. But the books do win out. People love a visual representation and In my own opinion I think it isn't half bad. Both "trilogies" are very incorrect but what we got was what the director literally had to work with. Some decisions were poor with what he had but it Still whisps you away to a magical world where you feel,just for a moment,that our world isn't half bad.

@envoltaemla6652

8 ай бұрын

to use the word "mediocre" to describe any Toklien character that isn't a main one is.. offensive.

@lohiasam3495

6 ай бұрын

Mediocre? He is an Elven King of the dark Elves who survived through the years of war... he is like the nerd IT guy in your office; you think you can type away on that computer without acknowledging that this other dude set up the network cables, firewall, antivirus and internet access.

I love that you pointed how well he did, even though he was the only elven ruler who didn't have a ring of power.

Man in a perfect world, I would love to see Lee Pace play Fëanor, dude killed it as Thranduil.

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Lee Pace's performance was one of my favourite parts of the Hobbit trilogy.

@creativecolours2022

Жыл бұрын

@@tolkienuntangled I think that he overacted in this role. Probably because the script was written this way but his performance was a bit over the top. But his on screen appearance was the most accurate depiction of how elves are supposed to look like. Tall and intimidating. Lee Pace would have looked great as Fëanor too.

@lordwellingtonthethird8486

Жыл бұрын

@@creativecolours2022 they also butchered his character

@creativecolours2022

Жыл бұрын

@@lordwellingtonthethird8486 Yes they did. I didn't like the Hobbit movies and I switched watching the fan edited versions where some people took the movies and re edited them according to the Hobbit book. But they nailed the appearance of the Elves in the Hobbit movies probably because they already knew how to do it. It was the second time that they had to show elves and they were more familiar with the concept.

@Landstalker1999

Жыл бұрын

I loved Lee Pace as Thranduil. I want to see more of Lee Pace and Thranduil. I think the guy playing Aemond from House of the Dragons (the guy with the eye patch) would play Feanor very well.

It must be especially tragic for elves when a loved one dies. It’s not expected. Where as for us it is sad yes, we all know our loved ones will pass. It’s not so with elves. A greater loss. In the movies I think they did a good job at making Thranduil somewhat traumatized. He doesn’t want to spare his warriors for others. He doesn’t want to lose his people.

@ladyalaina42

2 жыл бұрын

Lopi, how could it be traumatic when the entire 1st and 2nd age was one battle after another. Many Kings were killed as well.

@arthurbuglas8346

Жыл бұрын

@@ladyalaina42 Elves live forever. Losing someone is losing an potential eternity with them. You live with the losses forever. Humans dislike change, Elves have to deal with it on a much much larger scale.

@trekstarsam2494

Жыл бұрын

@@arthurbuglas8346 when an elf is slain, they are sent to the halls of mandos where manwe judges their actions then they are reincarnated in new bodies to live in Valinor. So apparently elves can reunite with dead family members and loved ones if they sailed west. That’s why I believe thranduil eventually left, to reunite with his father and son, as Legolas sailed west with gimli.

@iamnoro

Жыл бұрын

@@arthurbuglas8346 no. Elves reincarnated on valinor with new body. So their sorrow only last in a blink of an eye since they'll live forever bound to arda.

@lordwellingtonthethird8486

Жыл бұрын

But he will see her again in valanor

His role may be small but sure he's the most fabulous

He's "very old." Understatement of the age.

i like the fact that that tranduil didn't insist to get back his father's place dol gouldour or the entire mirkwood he accepts the deal for peace i can tell you the noldors would have been bitching over it without a doubt

I have always felt that Thranduil of all the many characters we meet in Tolkien's world is the one I relate to most, in spite of the sparse details on him. I'm also of the opinion that after fighting so hard to maintain his realm and outlast the darkness of Sauron that he would be more of a mind to stay in Middle Earth and enjoy the fruits of his labor, so to speak, instead of packing up and leaving. I like to imagine that Elvenking Thranduil rules from the Woodland Realm, drinking his Dorwinion wine and partying with his good people evermore, carrying the memory of all that has been done to secure such prosperous times.

@tristansmith5587

2 жыл бұрын

@B a n d C What you're describing is exactly why Tolkien stopped at the Third Age. The darkness was defeated and he didn't want to give in to the idea that mankind is inherently evil. It was his respect for his readers and his own world that he didn't let it go on to become a jaded, edgy mess. It helps that after about 6,000 years we land in the modern day, as the Shire is merely Oxford. Evil remains small scale, never so grand again. He also did make the world bigger with the Silmarillion and other Legendarium works until his death before he could finish any of it. If you think the Amazon show is a sign of respect and not just a quick cash grab, pissing on what Tolkien wrote and intended for the characters, just like everything else they've made recently than I'm not sure you really paid attention. See: Shadow of War/Mordor, mobile games, The Hobbit trilogy... Using the character names and the settings and made in the most predatory way to get your dollar. Are the Shadow games fun? Yes. Are mobile games bad? Probably an unfair question. Was The Hobbit that bad? As an adaptation, yes. You're free to enjoy anything, but to say they make these products out of respect is the farthest stretch of the truth. I'm angry at your words, not you particularly. Lot of regular complaints thrown Tolkien's way.

@tristansmith5587

2 жыл бұрын

@B a n d C I hope you will not be disappointed

@noahfranke467

Жыл бұрын

@@tristansmith5587 i was, in fact, not disappointed, despite being very sceptical.

@dv6342

Жыл бұрын

@B a n d C this didn’t age well…

I had always imagined that Thranduil will leave eventually. There was this poem that Tolkien had penned from 1930s but was published in the 1960s named the Last Ship describing 3 elves with crown in their heads leaving western shores. By 4th age I can only recall only 3 Elf Lords that remains in Middle Earth, Cirdan in Gray Haven, Celeborn of Lothlorien and Thranduil in Greenwood. I had always just imagined the 3 as the Elves described in the poem.

@belleretiredaccount

Жыл бұрын

This is a wonderful take! Went back to read the poem and now I'm convinced this is actually what happened.

@cris_ad

Жыл бұрын

A ship with golden beak and oar and timbers white came gliding; swans went sailing on before, her tall prow guiding Fair folk out of Elvenland in silver-grey were rowing, and three with crowns she saw there stand with bright hair flowing.

If New Line ever wanted to return to Middle Earth I’d love for them to chronicle the wars in the north. Make Thranduil the main character, watch him grow from a young prince, to going to war in the South, then to becoming king and defeating the invasion at the same time as Pelanor fields. Plus, they might still be able to use PJ’s footage as context.

Hollywood should make a movie about what Thranduil was going through while Frodo and company were taking the ring to be destroyed. Only Thranduil's part in all that. Should make it soon so Lee Pace can play the part again.

@Cewdipie

2 жыл бұрын

He's very handsome as thranduil 🥰

@katepeck2384

Жыл бұрын

@@boynezijlstra4244 Well now the way things are going right now, you could be right.

@theghostofsabertache9049

Жыл бұрын

Hollywood should leave Tolkien’s work the hell alone they can’t make anything faithful to the lore so they should make nothing at all. Half of the hobbit trilogy was fanfiction.

@-breakofdawn-

Жыл бұрын

Hollywood should stay away from Tolkien’s works. Peter Jackson did such a great job bringing the characters to life, and he’s the only one who should touch Tolkien related material - regardless of what book enthusiasts say, I enjoyed the movies. Middle Earth is in New Zealand, not Hollywood.

@katepeck2384

Жыл бұрын

@@-breakofdawn- Maybe you're right. I would love for Peter Jackson to do the movie. Whoever invests in it would make a lot of money.

He definitely my favorite elf in all the movies

At least the guy didn't need a ring of power to preserve his kingdom, and yet they endure for who knows how long, probably until the second song of the Ainur. In comparison to Rivendell and Lothlorien who diminished with their lords after the destruction of the one ring, Woodlands would continue to thrive on its own.

I don't usually comment on KZread, but I just have to commend you on your great work. This is hands down the best Tolkien lore channel out there. Your videos give me a much-needed respite during a tough day, I watch your videos on almost every break. It's a crime you don't have more followers. Take care!

@tolkienuntangled

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I'm really glad you enjoy the videos!

@kylewebb989

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. This is some of the clearest and best narrated Tolkien explanation and exploration out there.

@joseaustin2692

2 жыл бұрын

Keep up the good work!!!

this was a bombastic video. Thranduil was always one of my fav characters. now I know why..

Considering Thranduil's reaction to the war of the last alliance, imagine how Elrond felt when Isildur refused to destroy the ring

Keep in mind regarding the secrecy of the Lorien and Rivendel that those were the houses of the rings of power and neither Elrond nor Galadriel were dumb enough to flaunt and celebrate their realms, but instead used them as anchors of the light in the world that was growing dark once more... As even Thranduil felt that Sauron was not ended nor done with his work, so too must have the elder of that race, more wise and learned in Saurons ways, and they would remain secret until they were sure that no grasp of evil hand had remained to cowl their rings and bend them towards chaos...

The ending was awsome! It just made me want to go out and find that anchent forest, find the elves. Brilliant...

Instead of that insult to token of a show Ring of power, The story of Thranduil as told in this video would make a great series. We could see him raise Legolas (perhaps a single father) to become its king and beyond .

Telling the story of Thranduil is very sad and exciting thanks so much for bringing memories to an retired director

To be fair, the Grey Elves, while technically Moriquendi (having not seen the Light of the Two Trees) were still Eldar of the Great Journey and in-between High and Dark power-wise, having been uplifted for an epoch by the presence of Thingol and Melian.

There is a deep well of grief at the center of Tolkien's legendarium... Even the rule of the elves must end. Life is transitory, and endings come. Life is always a tragedy when the story ends.

i can see why Oropher didnt like Gil-galad given that he was probably much much older and from doriath originally he probably saw himself and his kingship as greater than Gil-galads

My distant memory of the battle of five armies, I think Tharanduril had seen to his army; no longer are they lacking in armor or weapons of war.

I like to think he did sail west eventually, even if it was well into the forth age, simply because his only known family member went to Valinor. If he has other living family members, that might not be the case.

It seems likely that Cirdan (and whoever accompanied him) is the last elf to leave Middle Earth. That's basically his whole stick. Cirdan the Shipwright, keeper of Narya, the ring of the inner fire (hope and resilience). IIRC there's a passage in the Silmarilion about how he builds mighty ships but he doesnt get to sail into the West - badly paraphrased, and I cant remember if it's just stated or if it's an outright command by one of the Valar. But yea, Thranduil (and the Silvan) are more tied to Middle Earth than Valinor, likely to remain and slowly fade from the common world of Men.

@ghostdreamer7272

2 жыл бұрын

Cirdan is the last Elf of the Elder Days, with Celeborn, but Tolkien also writes that some Elves will stay here until they fade even into present day. That definitely seems to be the fate of Thranduil that’s implied. Since Tolkien wanted a deeper mythology for England, I wouldn’t be surprised if Tolkien personally imagined Thranduil as Oberon. Also, with how detached Legolas seems of Thranduil,how playful and easygoing, I think Legolas was probably the youngest of many children, not ever expected to have the responsibility of king if something happened to Thranduil.

thanks for the vid! i always thought that thranduil is under-appreciated as a great elf-lord.

I think Tolkien said when Celeborn departed, the last memory of the Elder Days went with him. But whether that means Thranduil was born in the Second Age or Thranduil left for the Undying Lands isn't clear. And the image of a "lesser" Elven King, not in isolation but slowly dwindling, I think matches the picture we get first in the Hobbit - a merry folk, little troubled by war - almost as if someone saw that kingdom in person...(just mind your manners when going through their realm!)

@kamion53

Жыл бұрын

I may be wrong, but I think that Tolkien at the time he wrote the Hobbit had yet fully fleshed out the character, history and lore of the Elves. The Elvenking is much closer to English folklore then the Noldor, Sindar or Vaynar ever were. Tolkien made early drafts and they echo in the Hobbit when Elrond indentifies the swords..."made by mighty elves that are now gnomes." Oldest name Tolkien used in his drafts for the Noldor was the Gnomes.

@mon_moi

Ай бұрын

It would be kinda tragic if Thranduil stayed behind in Mirkwood forever until he diminished to the point of becoming a wandering phantom haunting the forest, similar to the Erlking of Goethe's poem. That's why I like to think he went to the West. The idea of him and his people staying behind and diminishing is too bleak

Thranduil and Oropher living in Doriath may have contributed to their distrust of the Noldor, because of the crimes committed by Feanor against the kinsmen of Thingol, ruler of Doriath. Thingol went so far as to ban the speech of the Noldor from being spoken in his kingdom. I think Oropher and Thranduil likely carried this with them as they settled in Greenwood after the ruin of Beleriand and Tolkien even alludes to their wariness of the Noldor settling in Lorien, across the river from their realm. The refusal of Oropher to place himself under the command of Gil-galad during the Last Alliance was likely because of this distrust. This makes the settlement of Thranduil and Celeborn (with the Beornings) of the regions around Mirkwood after the fall of Sauron more significant as a matter of peace and possible friendship.

I'm so glad to see someone paint The Woodland realm in a more accurate way....and give Thranduil a bit of a break.

I have to say your videos are amazing. I love the videos on the first age and Silmarillion. It’s helped me explain the story better to my 9 year old son who is a budding Tolkien fan and he just loves the content too

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

That's so awesome that your nine year old is a Tolkien fan. Good for him!

Well done, sir! Thranduil never seemed like that much of an interesting character, but how wrong I was. Very relatable character, too.

@tolkienuntangled

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Best Tolkien lore video channel on YT, period. Keep doing these things!

@tolkienuntangled

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I'm really glad you enjoy them!

@sk8shred

3 жыл бұрын

@@tolkienuntangled No you thanks! Can you perhaps do one on Rhun and all those foreign lands to the east, like Hildorien and that mountain range were there supposedly lives another dwarf clan. It's sad that there's so little information about it.

@tolkienuntangled

3 жыл бұрын

@@sk8shred I actually have a video all about the origins of the Dwarves scheduled, which will talk about the Dwarves of the Red Mountains and the east. The next video after that will be on the origins of Men, which will talk about Hildorien and Men's migration from the east into the west. They'll be released in about a month or so 🙂

This is the line that I wish Tolkien spent more time on with the lineages. Legolas How do they tie into the broader lineages among the teleri

Like it? I loved it, you have a good voice and make Tolkien so accessible. I've been a fan since I was 12 and I'm 41 now an I have lots of aha moments listening to you! I wish there was more on Tom Bombadil and the Ringwraiths, perhaps a big live stream discussion on those??

Just off of how he treated the people of dale in the hobbit in the books I think he's a very nice guy he's just very damaged he lost his dad and most of his(not his technically at the time) people in 1 battle

I like how Oropher's ineptitude of open warfare harkens back to Thingol's decision to turtle in Doriath during the majority of the First Age after a grieviously victorious battle. Seems that did no favors for Oropher's understanding of how to fight effectively in a similar type of battle.

As always, you have made everything much more clear. Many thanks, much respect.

I just love listening to your stories after a long day of work. Bravo 👏

@tolkienuntangled

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Thank you....you always add so much to my understanding of Tolkien's work and that is great because I don't want it to end after reading....

Spectacular! You really make this subject come alive! I will def watch your other videos.

His wife is actually mentioned by Legolas in 5 armies when he and Tauriel we're outside of Gundabad, he said she died there

@sharroon7574

Жыл бұрын

I think he was saying that as far as the books are concerned she was never said to have died.

Both Oropher and thranduil lived in doriath before the fall. I’m hoping we see Prince thranduil in the rings of power at some point and learn about the rift between Oropher and Gil-galad.

Such a great video! Thank you 😊

I love Thranduil, his story is tragic, I think he doesn't get enough recognition.🙏😥 Imagine being immortal and seeing what he had to witness. He clearly loved his kind.

Gotta love a guy who goes to war for jewellery 💜

Another fantastic video. I love the patient, conversational style and of course how can you discuss Thranduil without first discussing Oropher? Thanks for your continued hard work.

Thank you for all your hard work.

What a great video. Thank you.

I appreciate the similarities/echos of The Union of Maedhros in The War of the Last Alliance: Gil-galad is to Maedhros as Oropher is to Gwindor (or maybe Fingon), etc.

The third age is basically Sauron trying to destroy everything from behind the scenes. Arnor is destroyed by the Witch King, Mirkwood is slowly darkened and filled with monsters, Erebor is taken by Smaug and Gondor is facing assaults all the time. The end of the third age is a really bad time to be one of the free peoples.

Amazing information. Love your channel ❤️

@tolkienuntangled

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

I don’t know but somehow i don’t think it was easy for the sindar to leave middle earth i mean they spend their whole life there it was home for them, so i like to think then when celeborn and cirdan left it would have been quite a sad moment for them

Love this video!

I love and listened to all your videos. I'm a big fan

I really enjoy all your videos. Thank you. Although, I’ve watched them out of order due to not seeing how to find the beginning.

Favorite elf bc of the actor.

The most handsome elf in the middle Earth real life action.

That was actually really cool. I never cared much for Thranduil but this has certainly changed my view of him, Even though I consider myself a huge Tolkien fan, I actually never knew or have forgotten that stuff at the end going into the fourth age. Very interesting and well presented my friend.

is there nothing out there about that one moment from the hobbit when thranduil's face goes all scary?

Thats so epic for them to still be around with men

I wish we had more on him like especially in the movies for someone who is so icy n experienced we know close to like nothing tbh

Thank you so, so much for this video. It has answered several questions that I've always wondered about whilst reading LotR. I always wondered why Thranduil and his people (except Legolas) were not at the battle at Minas Tirith and why there were no dwarves (except Gimli) there too. It was hinted at by Gandalf that the people of Legolas and Gimli had their own battles to fight but it never really went into details about it. Similarly I wondered why there were so few black riders at that battle because I got the impression that all 9 were not there. Now looking at this video it explains that some of the black riders were attacking Thranduil, Beorn and Loth Lorien which would explain the absence of all of the above. However the black riders were all around Rivendell chasing Frodo when Gandalf said that the people of Legolas and Gimli had their own battles to fight so they must already have been under some sort of attack even while the Fellowship was being made in the first place? Is there a book in the series that covers what was happening with them while the ring was being carried to Mordor?

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

There's not a specific book, but in the appendices we learn about the conflicts of the dwarves of Erebor and Men of Dale against the Easterling, and the battles of the Mirkwood elves against the orcs.

@snazzie-designz

2 жыл бұрын

@@tolkienuntangled Ok great. Thanks so much.

Love him. Love it. Love the video. Honestly, since I'm not that big of a LotR I never knew about him before the Hobbit movies. But he was such a charming asshole there ^^ thanks a lot for telling me more. Knowing all this, I genuinely think they did a good job in the movies portraying him, showing him to be someone afraid of Sauron and the evil he brings, and careful/wary of endangering his people/realm, but also prideful and a little jealous and petty

Ah, I was just wondering about Thranduil. In the hobbit movie, he shows OakenShield his dragon wound, but I wondered if there was any actual evidence of that. Looks like officially no, unless there were dragons present at the war of the last alliance.

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

We're never told of Thranduil (or any elves of Mirkwood) encountering any dragons other than Smaug. I guess the filmmakers just wanted to embellish Thranduil's backstory.

@jlistetson

Жыл бұрын

After I saw DoS, I suspected he attempted to take the mountain between the the time when the dwarves fully abandoned the Mountain/surrounding area and the retaking of erebor but never found any proof

@greenmachine6638

Жыл бұрын

@@jlistetson I figured it was from a battle in the second age perhaps, maybe even the first age. Although I don't recall the timeline on the dragons that we do know about. At this point I forget exactly how old Thranduil is, but he's been around for a Long time.

@lordwellingtonthethird8486

Жыл бұрын

Thranduil of the movies is nothing like his lore counter part

So as To Legolas' age and I think it is his actions tell us he is a young elf. He seems to show wonder at how men and dwarfs are. He doesn't act like he has been out of Mirkwood that much, I'd say he is about 200 years old.

I won't lie, I fell down the rabbit hole because of trying to figure out Thanduil's ancestry 😆💖💖💖

Is calling Sindar Dark Elves ( Moriquendi) really correct? The Dark Elves are the elves that did not behold the light of the two trees, but the Sindar as followers of Thingol Greycloak did behold it through the medium of Thingol himself. He was one of the for ambassaders who went to Aman/Valinor. Actually all the Lindar ( or Teleri) had seen the light of the Trees shine in the faces of Elwë and Olwë. Only those undr the lead of Olwë eventually reached Aman, where they were called Teleri or Late Comers.

Love this. ❤❤

Any/all Elves that remained in the mortal world would have suffered the effects of Morgoth's Ring by now and would be little more than spirits or ghosts in our modern age, but I would love to explore Germany's Black Forest and find the old halls of the Woodland Realm, find out for sure. ;-)

Quick question. Is the phrase "free peoples" as in "... an alliance of free peoples..." from the Legendarium, or does it come from the movies? It doesn't sound very much like Professor Tolkien.

@tolkienuntangled

2 жыл бұрын

Free Peoples, along with Free Folk, and Free Lords of the Free, are all used in LOTR to refer to the races of the members of the Fellowship.

I am curious though if he returns to valinor does he still retain his status as king? How about Legolas is he still considered a prince?

The fact that we know nothing about his family tree and his wife (so Legolas's mother) is really a bother for me, and also shows that no, the books aren't perfect (nothing can be). It was okay not knowing it in the Hobbit (children book) because Thranduil was technically the first elf created by Tolkien. But if you wanted to adapt it, especially after all the other elves with their lore in the LotR and other stories, you had to develop the character a bit more (what P.J and his team rightly did). You have for example to justify why there is no sign of his wife, queen and mother of one of the most important characters (plotwise), an immortal being. Her absence in the books IS a problem for anyone who want to adapt the story, and anyone who knows how to write a character would give Thranduil the background he deserves (I'm not saying he's badly written by Tolkien of course, he's just a "prototype", written first for a book meant to children). He necessarily has a wife (an elven queen no less), so WHO is she ? If we don't see her ruling beside him, WHY ? That's why we know actually nothing about Legolas. At this point he could be anything (Noldo, Sindar, Teleri, Nandor, part human, part Maia, lmao yes Maia why not??) since at least 75% of his family tree is missing.

honestly he probably did leave. his son did and I don't think he is willing to be separated from his only family left

what I keep wondering is this: after the drowning of Beleriand Oropher moved away with all those Sindar who would follow him. Why did these elves follow Oropher instead of Celeborn? Probably because he was married to a Noldo. But Celeborn was described to be quite closly related to Thingol, the former, mighty Sindarin King. Whereas Oropher....? Was there already a longing in the surviving Sindar to be more like "woodelves" and they chose Oropher over Celeborn due to this? Or was their dislike for Galadriel (Noldo) so enormous that they would rather follow some "lesser" leader (Oropher) than someone related to their Ex-King but married to a Noldo?

12:25 come on, the barrels Bilbo and the dwarves escaped in made it clear.

❤️🙏this!

One ring to rule the race of elves

Excited for the new series!

Hey Rainbow Dave, what about that thing that appears in the movie about his scared face? It conveys the idea that he faced a/the dragon before and was left burnt in the face, which he hides. Is that a mere screenplay novelty?

Thranduil was also traumatized by the dragons also he suffered pretty severe injuries

@tolkienuntangled

Жыл бұрын

That was just made up for the movies. It’s not a Tolkien thing.

Have you ever made a video about Beorn?

Based on my lack of knowledge, would it be possible to do any semblance of order to the outer Legendarium?? What do I do after The Hobbit, LOTR, Unfinished Tales, and the Silmarillion?? Where does it make the most sense to start?

Can you make a video about by which a amount the strength if the high elves was heightened when they became high elves aka how much stronger/mightier high elves are than dark elves? It's always mentioned that high elves are more powerful because they saw the two trees but how much stronger did the light make them?

Anyone think that thranduuil fought smaug up north and that's why his face is scarred?

I wish there was a tale of the fourth age of restoring the forest and some mechanism or magic keeping it safe from men.

Oropher as Leroy Jenkins...

Hi, poster; is there a preferred order we should watch your videos in? I have read everything. All of Christopher’s books, JRR’s extras and his official books. But not in order. Any suggestions? Thank you.

Rainbow Dave. With all the skills in which you exhibit in telling a story…That talent falls utterly short of your enhanced ability to punctuate the story you’ve just told.

Yay... woodland elves stayed 🫶🏾🙌🏾💯

@7:59 ".... oropher rushed forward at the head of his most doubty warriors before Gil-Galad had given the signal for the advance...." mmmm... lack of battlefield wisdom seems inherital among the Elves of Mirkwood. In PJ the Battle of the Five Armies the Dwarves form a perfect shieldwall to break the attack of the Orc's and what do the Elves do?...... they jump over that shieldwall and attack the Orcs!!! Very impressive, clearly cooked up by PJ I thougt for the sake of drama, but very suicidal too. Till I read this... could PJ have taken inspiration from Orropher's bad leadership?

I think Thranduil and all his elves, like Lorien, did leave. Because even the nador/silvan elves answer the call and did travel in the first age, they just stopped in mirkwood and lorien. So i think the only elves were some avari that were left. But i think 1000% thranduil and silvan they left too in time they did answer the call. only avari didnt.

@ladyalaina42

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Legolas left after king Aragorn died, taking with him dwarf Gemli as he was a part of the fellowship as he wanted to see Lady Galadriel again.

To think that somewhere in the wilderness there lies a hidden hall full of ancient elves clinging to the last bits of magic left in the forests of the world, and their leader Thranduil sits in the center of them waiting....

You should be writing screenplays for the pre-LotR's series. Any series. Not the Amazon one. Haven't seen it. May never, not sure yet.

Apparently, the longest piece of fan-fiction (and I mean ANY fan fiction) concerns Thranduil. Yes, there's Tolkien fan fiction out there, and no, I didn't read it.

@annisadevi8484

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i think i saw it in ao3 recently. it has more than 6M words

@mickrawson29

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I'm curious about the title 🧐

@colindunnigan8621

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@@mickrawson29 Can't remember the title, unfortunately.

So...did Thranduril have legolas before the war of the last alliance, or after when he was all sad?

@tolkienuntangled

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I imagine Legolas as being a relatively young elf, born in the second half of the Thrid Age. But to be honest that's just speculation, and the truth is that we have absolutely no idea how old Legolas is, or when he was born.

So what about all the stuff on the wiki fan page talking about legolas and him having 3 siblings and the whole backstory of his mother calathiel

This must be an older video cuz they talk about this in the third Hobbit movie it says his mom died at gundabad

I wonder if Tolkien's experience of the Somme was the basis for the Battle of Dagorlad.

Thandul' wife was mentioned Lego's mom was in the Hobbit and five armies for Middle-earth when Legolas and the captain of the guard that only Captain the female when they go to where the goondabag bats are being made and Legolas says my mother died in there and he said that his father never talked about it there is no gravestone and it's probably about 3/4 of the way through the movie. I believe it's of CuzahDoom or Angbadh it's also where Sauron has his Armory for his armies and stuff for their battles. it's got the five sides on it I can't believe I'm forgetting the name of it but it's there! You know the part I'm talking about. It's right before War breaks out but they definitely talk about her they don't say her name and they don't say exactly what happened to her but they said and she's dead and Legolas says to the female captain of that is where my mother died she died there helping defeat their enemies talking about Sauron and he said there's no gravestone to her no no marker nothing and he says it his father never talks about it and it bothers him clearly I kind of got the hint that she was possibly so beautiful that she had been taking my sorrow on and he possibly had tried to war or something like that had to Hops for that's kind of impression I got.

@writethosefeels

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Leggy’s mum being talked about in the movie, & the brief backstory we get of her, is just a screenplay novelty unfortunately :( she’s not mentioned in any of tolkien’s writings (at least that i’ve come across). though i do tend to favour the theory she passed away.