Flo is on his well deserved Easter vacation, the rest of the team is working hard on our upcoming episodes about Italy, the Polar Bear Expedition and Versailles. So, today we won't be as responsive in the comments as we would like.

@LongNightsInOffice

5 жыл бұрын

Will you do something about the Wilsonian Moment?

@maus626

5 жыл бұрын

I really like the new intro music, can you please tell me it's name?

@ChrisWachtler

5 жыл бұрын

Will you guys be looking at Switzerland post ww1 and the Vorarlberg Question in 1919?

@WildBillCox13

5 жыл бұрын

Have fun, Flo! You deserve it!

@SirAdrian87

5 жыл бұрын

There are several factual mistakes in the video. 1. The Romanian-Hungarian borders prior to the 1919 war stopped before Cluj, not where the map shows them. 2. The new demarcation line was decided upon AFTER the war started and it was still less than what the Entente had promised Romania in 1916 3 It was Honved regiments in Transylvania which started the war, not Romania itself. 4 Basrabgia was part of romania. The map shows it was part of russia.

The Lenin Boys sound more like a 90's leninist boyband than a communist revoliutionary group.

@Hebdomad7

5 жыл бұрын

Must crush capitalism!... though selling albums and band merchandise?

@TheCimbrianBull

5 жыл бұрын

Leningrad Cowboys! 🤠 🇫🇮

@mojewjewjew4420

5 жыл бұрын

@@Hebdomad7 fighting capitalism with capitalism....what could go wrong

@dino7307

5 жыл бұрын

The "Lenin Boys" was a hungarian communist paramilitary unit, that spread a wave of terror whereever they went, executing men, women and children without hesitation and remorse (when the young son of a victim cried at his fathers hanged body, they hanged also the boy for counterrevolutionist activity). These bandids were only equaled later by the SS. When you make jokes, please remember, that these men killed innocent people en masse. This is not something you should be joking about!

@thebog11

5 жыл бұрын

@@dino7307 It's called "dark humor", and has been practiced probably since Oog made a joke when Ug was struck by lightning.

My grandparents immigrated to The United States at around this time from Transylvania; one Hungarian the other Romanian - now I know why. Thank you for this fascinating history of the region.

@mojewjewjew4420

5 жыл бұрын

there was alot of chaos but can you blame Romania for liberating its rightful land and people from Hungary which opressed them for centuries? No period

@karacsonymartinalex1747

5 жыл бұрын

Mojew Jewjew explain me,why Transsylvania was rightfully romanian?

@barnabaspapp7844

5 жыл бұрын

@@mojewjewjew4420 Im talking as a hungarian here so i might be a bit biased. I agree that the romanian parts of transylvania should belong to them. But then explain to me after all those concessions why did the romanians advance deeper and deeper into transylvania and after that they marched into completly hungarian territory.

@mojewjewjew4420

5 жыл бұрын

@@barnabaspapp7844 I would like to discuss it with you that if you remain civil but even then they might remove the comments all togheter because of "comment wars". Im romania so i might be biased too but 1.the Transilvania that hungarians conquered was much larger than what we originaly got so we advanced to liberate all of it. 2.We also advanced because Hungary was invaded from all sides and inevitably did too. 3.Another reason was to destroy the communist goverment because you wouldn't like living in a communist Hungary would you? plus they were a threat to Romania because of their ties to soviet Russia. 4."marched into completly hungarian territory." keep in mind that territory belonged to us when you first conquered it and since then romanians or proto-romanians to be exact were deported,killed and magyarized,just because the people there were hungarian doesnt mean that the land was hungarian no hard feelings if you want to live in Transilvania you can,theres nothing stoping you but its gonna remain romanian. 5.Keep in mind that alot of romanians were magyarized,so Hungary today is petty romanian and some hungarian figures might have been romanian even you could be romanian,no shame in it.

@mojewjewjew4420

5 жыл бұрын

@@karacsonymartinalex1747 I wont start a comment war,all im going to say is search for the truth and you will find that Transilvania is romanian,if you want to live in it fine but you have to behave civilized or if you cant then dont period

So the revolutionary Lenin Boys hit "I Want It That Way" wasn't that well received by the public?

Thank you for this great episode. The history of the Hungarian Soviet Republic isn't covered that often. Most likely because it was overshadowed by the history of Hungarian communism after WW II. These Lenin Boys can be compared with the Russian Cheka regarding their brutal actions. Also Hungarian Whites committed severe atrocities in Hungary after there take-over from the Reds. Known as the Hungarian White Terror. Perhaps you guys can cover that in the future.

@DoraFauszt

5 жыл бұрын

There is plan for that, along with Horthy as well. I agree with you on the fact, these times are not known enough on an international scale!

@attilakatona-bugner1140

5 жыл бұрын

It s kinda important for ww2, you see, it becomes much more understandable why 'we' had so much anti-communist hatred, which did affect the general view of rhe population and the diplomacy, too.

@TheLocalLt

5 жыл бұрын

History Hustle they are going to cover the invasion of slovakia and the collapse of Hungarian communism (for now) and the subsequent white terror.

@TheLocalLt

5 жыл бұрын

Dóra Fauszt Horthy is a Between Two Wars topic. The white terror will probably be the end of part 2 of this.

@peterpeterfy1460

5 жыл бұрын

Foreign policy scandal, demoralization of the Hungarian Red Army In late May, after the Entente military representative demanded more territorial concessions from Hungary, Kun attempted to "fulfill" his promise to adhere to Hungary's historical borders. The men of the Hungarian Red Army were recruited mainly from the volunteers of the Budapest proletariat.[25] In June, the Hungarian Red Army invaded the eastern part of the newly-forming Czechoslovak state, approximately the former Upper Hungary. The Hungarian Red Army achieved some military success early on: under the leadership of Colonel Aurél Stromfeld, it ousted Czech troops from the north, and planned to march against the Romanian army in the east. Despite promises for the restoration of the former borders of Hungary, the communists declared the establishment of the Slovak Soviet Republic in Prešov (Eperjes) on 16 June 1919.[26] After the proclamation of the Slovak Soviet Republic, the Hungarian nationalists and patriots soon realized that the new communist government had no intentions to recapture the lost territories, only to spread communist ideology and establish other communist states in Europe, thus sacrificing Hungarian national interests.[27] The Hungarian patriots in the Red Army saw this as a betrayal, and their support for the government began to erode (the communists and their government supported the establishment of the Slovak Communist state, while the Hungarian patriots wanted to keep the reoccupied territories for Hungary). Despite a series of military victories against the Czechoslovak army, the Hungarian Red Army started to disintegrate due to tension between nationalists and communists during the establishment of the Slovak Soviet Republic. The concession eroded support of the communist government among professional military officers and nationalists in the Hungarian Red Army; even the chief of the general staff Aurél Stromfeld, resigned his post in protest.[28] When the French promised the Hungarian government that Romanian forces would withdraw from the Tiszántúl, Kun withdrew his remaining military units who had remained loyal after the political fiasco in Upper Hungary. Kun then unsuccessfully tried to turn the remaining units of the demoralized Hungarian Red Army on the Romanians

"Allies had broken the terms of the armistice." Nuff said.

@nuoksu

5 жыл бұрын

When you have utterly defeated your opponent there's a tendency to become quite uncompromising.

@gergelyboros8138

5 жыл бұрын

The "good guys" ..

@mightymario3047

5 жыл бұрын

20 years later: HITLER YOU CANT ANNEX ALL OF CZECHOSLOVAKIA ONLY THE SUDETENLAND Hitler:IDK

@fergal2424

5 жыл бұрын

Utterly defeated? Not an allied soldier set foot on German soil. @@nuoksu

@benjaminmunoz590

5 жыл бұрын

@@fergal2424 There is a common misconception that since Germany was not occupied, it was not "wholly" or "truly" defeated, a sentiment Hitler seized when he came to power, calling it a "stab in the back," by politicians. Actually, a part of Germany was invaded, and with the revolution in Germany and the fall of Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire, the fact that Germany was not occupied is almost irrelevant when it comes to the extent of the defeat, because, had the allies not accepted an armistice, Germany would have been occupied by probably the end of the year at most. This is why they had so little political power at this point: they could not continue the war, as they would lose, and even harsher terms would have been implemented. I recommend you watch The Great War videos of october/november 1918 for a closer look.

THE LENIN BOIS GO TO WAR

Lenin and his bois Trotsky and Stalin

"...and the ONLY KZread history channel that doesn't make Dracula jokes when talking about Transylvania!" Priceless! X-D

You guys really should rebrand the postwar coverage as "The Chaos". Seems much more fitting.

How can you continue to be perfect? I thought after Indy the quality would decrease but I see you keep it up!

@clamum

5 жыл бұрын

I admit I thought the same thing but Jesse is killin it. I love the new episodes.

@anthonypang7927

5 жыл бұрын

He is the canadian les murray! Les murray was a hungarian born australian football commentator who pronounced everything perfectly!

*The Lenin Bois* The greatest boy band of the 20th century

17:42 "Merging into a form of national bolshevism" Nazbols were already a thing before they became cool

@peterpeterfy1460

5 жыл бұрын

Foreign policy scandal, demoralization of the Hungarian Red Army In late May, after the Entente military representative demanded more territorial concessions from Hungary, Kun attempted to "fulfill" his promise to adhere to Hungary's historical borders. The men of the Hungarian Red Army were recruited mainly from the volunteers of the Budapest proletariat.[25] In June, the Hungarian Red Army invaded the eastern part of the newly-forming Czechoslovak state, approximately the former Upper Hungary. The Hungarian Red Army achieved some military success early on: under the leadership of Colonel Aurél Stromfeld, it ousted Czech troops from the north, and planned to march against the Romanian army in the east. Despite promises for the restoration of the former borders of Hungary, the communists declared the establishment of the Slovak Soviet Republic in Prešov (Eperjes) on 16 June 1919.[26] After the proclamation of the Slovak Soviet Republic, the Hungarian nationalists and patriots soon realized that the new communist government had no intentions to recapture the lost territories, only to spread communist ideology and establish other communist states in Europe, thus sacrificing Hungarian national interests.[27] The Hungarian patriots in the Red Army saw this as a betrayal, and their support for the government began to erode (the communists and their government supported the establishment of the Slovak Communist state, while the Hungarian patriots wanted to keep the reoccupied territories for Hungary). Despite a series of military victories against the Czechoslovak army, the Hungarian Red Army started to disintegrate due to tension between nationalists and communists during the establishment of the Slovak Soviet Republic. The concession eroded support of the communist government among professional military officers and nationalists in the Hungarian Red Army; even the chief of the general staff Aurél Stromfeld, resigned his post in protest.[28] When the French promised the Hungarian government that Romanian forces would withdraw from the Tiszántúl, Kun withdrew his remaining military units who had remained loyal after the political fiasco in Upper Hungary. Kun then unsuccessfully tried to turn the remaining units of the demoralized Hungarian Red Army on the Romanians

@distortiontildeafness

5 жыл бұрын

Theyre not cool tho

@LordSpeedyus

3 жыл бұрын

Nazbol GANG Nazbol GANG

@gnas1897

3 жыл бұрын

They were cool before jreg made them

@danc7934

3 жыл бұрын

@@LordSpeedyus unironically agree

Thank you very much TGW crew for giving me an opportunity to work on this episode. It was a lot of fun and finally I could live my desire to be a "little library and archive digging historian" 😀❤️

@TheCimbrianBull

5 жыл бұрын

I want to say thank you as well for making the effort to do research. This benefits us the viewers and we learn new things. 😀

@MCAurothic

5 жыл бұрын

You did a great job including most of the events that happened. Are going to get a continuation later about the end of the Soviet Republic, and the beginning of the Horthy-éra?

@DoraFauszt

5 жыл бұрын

@@MCAurothic it depends of course on the guys but personally I would welcome an episode on Horthy after the peace treaty is covered. Horthy is easily another 30 minutes of video material.

@MCAurothic

5 жыл бұрын

@@DoraFauszt Right. Just a question, in your opinion, do you consider Romania and the Entente responsible for the rise of the Soviet Republic, for setting demarcation lines that were virtually impossible to accept for the Károlyi government?

@DoraFauszt

5 жыл бұрын

@@MCAurothic I consider them one among other factors, which sum up to this mother of a chaos. Yes, the Entente did not hold their word. Yes Romania and also the Slovaks did cross the line. But what I think the biggest problem was that Károlyi and the government was a bunch of weak people unable to get themselves together. He bowed so deep before the Entente (he basically bend his spine until he had none) , that there was absolutely zero respect from the west. And by the time he realized that, Romania was already in the middle of the country.

Speaking about Dracula jokes... Béla Lugosi actually had to flee Hungary after the fall of the Soviet Republic (also called the "Commune", "Council Republic", or "Republic of Councils"), as he participated in the organization of the Actors Union. He wasn't involved with any of the more sordid affairs of the reds, but, seeing the counterrevolutionary white terror that would follow in the wake of the "Commune's" collapse - which would end up killing roughly twice as many people -, he decided to flee.

@TransilvanianHunger1334

6 ай бұрын

Bela lugosi is dead

@Albert-Arthur-Wison225

2 ай бұрын

No he’s not ! He lives out here in Baldwin Hills !

Props for using Leonhard's books. I am doing my PhD in History at the Uni in Freiburg, where he is currently based, and have participated in his seminars. He's truly an authority in his field!

Wait, the Entente couldn't be trusted? Well who knew! 😉😉😉

@cgt3704

2 жыл бұрын

Well bad for hungary but not for us. 😎

Oh, there is so much more to cover! The Hungarian Red Army's military successes in Eastern Slovakia (they had to be recalled later), Romanian occupation of Budapest, and the regime ended just as swiftly as it had started, being in place for ~130 days. An obscure yet important and highly chaotic part of Hungarian history, thank you for covering it well!

@artyerty35

5 жыл бұрын

What comes after is actually more interesting. The first fascist regime, before the one in Italy.

@buldosersandrew4687

4 жыл бұрын

@@artyerty35 Horthy is not considered fascist in any encyclopedias of the World. There were free elections multi-party system and very strong parliament in Hungary.

@HungaryBased

2 жыл бұрын

@@artyerty35 monarchist*

@ninofromkitchennightmares1497

Жыл бұрын

@@buldosersandrew4687 To add on he was also in s a fierce battle against the fascists in Hungary

Great job Jesse, loving these new eps

I swear I love this channel so much it's honestly the only channel I watch on a basis, even when you guys took a break to find a new host i still watched as much as I could.

Addition: The Hungarian Soviet Republic attacked the border of Czechoslovakia at the end of May 1919. It occupied part of Slovakia where the Slovak Soviet Republic (Slovenská republika Rád) was established for a short time.

@till9652

5 жыл бұрын

...then the French said if Hungarians leave this area, the romanians will leave the greater hungarian plains, which Hungary agreed. Romanians agreed too but did not fulfill it.

@ConorMcgregor322

5 жыл бұрын

@@till9652 It was an empty promise.

@kaczynskis5721

5 жыл бұрын

Southern Slovakia had and still has a significant ethnic Hungarian population.

@peterpeterfy1460

5 жыл бұрын

Foreign policy scandal, demoralization of the Hungarian Red Army In late May, after the Entente military representative demanded more territorial concessions from Hungary, Kun attempted to "fulfill" his promise to adhere to Hungary's historical borders. The men of the Hungarian Red Army were recruited mainly from the volunteers of the Budapest proletariat.[25] In June, the Hungarian Red Army invaded the eastern part of the newly-forming Czechoslovak state, approximately the former Upper Hungary. The Hungarian Red Army achieved some military success early on: under the leadership of Colonel Aurél Stromfeld, it ousted Czech troops from the north, and planned to march against the Romanian army in the east. Despite promises for the restoration of the former borders of Hungary, the communists declared the establishment of the Slovak Soviet Republic in Prešov (Eperjes) on 16 June 1919.[26] After the proclamation of the Slovak Soviet Republic, the Hungarian nationalists and patriots soon realized that the new communist government had no intentions to recapture the lost territories, only to spread communist ideology and establish other communist states in Europe, thus sacrificing Hungarian national interests.[27] The Hungarian patriots in the Red Army saw this as a betrayal, and their support for the government began to erode (the communists and their government supported the establishment of the Slovak Communist state, while the Hungarian patriots wanted to keep the reoccupied territories for Hungary). Despite a series of military victories against the Czechoslovak army, the Hungarian Red Army started to disintegrate due to tension between nationalists and communists during the establishment of the Slovak Soviet Republic. The concession eroded support of the communist government among professional military officers and nationalists in the Hungarian Red Army; even the chief of the general staff Aurél Stromfeld, resigned his post in protest.[28] When the French promised the Hungarian government that Romanian forces would withdraw from the Tiszántúl, Kun withdrew his remaining military units who had remained loyal after the political fiasco in Upper Hungary. Kun then unsuccessfully tried to turn the remaining units of the demoralized Hungarian Red Army on the Romanians

@TheLocalLt

5 жыл бұрын

Pandorina skrinka that’s going to be in the next episode about this

Amazing, simply amazing. I thought it was not possible but yeah, I admit I love these new episodes even more than the regular WWI coverage. I studied quite a lot about WWI well before this channel existed BUT the new arguments brought up now were too "obscure" for my studies. Keep up the fantastic work guys!!!

Beautiful pronunciation, a pleasure to watch. I mean... to listen.

@kopocsmarci

5 жыл бұрын

I wish I could say the same about the Hungarian pronounciation. Otherwise, trully fascinating!

@lobaandrade7172

5 жыл бұрын

Márton Kopócs he needs to work on Hungarian names, his pronunciation is barely passable but its the only weakness in this amazing episode

@kopocsmarci

5 жыл бұрын

@@lobaandrade7172 agree, I mean, he speaks 4 languages, and apparently all of them pretty well

This is one of like three videos on the Hungarian Soviet Republic and by far the best one out there. I've been waiting for this since you started this series.

Wow, that's insane amount of information to process... Well done!

A very comprehensive treatment of a little-known topic. Excellent.

you folks really are doing a fantastic job carrying this channel into the 1919-1923 period. Big ups from Canada!

Great job! Never seen so informative (and no “one man show” style) material about this history period

Never knew about this Hungarian Soviet Republic and the historical circumstances. Keep pushing those new videos, you do a great job.

This was a brilliant episode!

I'm happy to see this Episode was put back on the avaiable videos by YT. Keep on with your work. All the maps with the frontlines and the impressive foto- and video-footage is the right way to deal with history. You keep it alive wheter Indy or Jessy, the so a great job!

I liked this. I'm glad you're still doing things and letting me learn more about the chaotic inter-war period.

I am glad that episode is back.

I just realised that WE HIT A MILLION SUBS

@magnuspeacock5857

5 жыл бұрын

Ayy

@philippinecircularflag2023

5 жыл бұрын

Epic Victory Royale

@Hebdomad7

5 жыл бұрын

One down ninety nine to go...

Thank you for a wonderful formative episode.

Great episode! Love the level of detail, I never got this in my history classes.

This stuff is so interesting. I was never a fan of history in school years ago, but the way your channel puts the information in the context of 100 years ago, make it so relatable. I love that Dracula comment right at the end! Hilarious. Thanks again for the episode!

"Oh here we go terrorizing again!" -Lenin Bois 1919

Great channel guys, been following you for years. The episodes about my country were spot on so far!

Your channel is by mere default, quality. detail, and commitment wise, amongst the very finest that KZread permits to be broadcast.

I knew almost nothing about the Hungarian revolution. Thanks ... that's the kind of thing I hoped the "Continuation Great War" would get into.

Some addition: There was a lot of former soldiers and POWs in Hungary (especially in Budapest) at this time, just like in Russa in 1917. Similarly this made the situation even more unstable. (For e.g.: former soldiers killed the former prime minister István Tisza in his own house.) There is debate about the mistakes made by Károlyi, but the country was simply not controllable. Spoiler: The commies failed also. Oh, and it's a great job again! (Even the Hungarian pronunciation was quite good! :) ) Thank you guys!

Excellent Episode Indeed Most Enjoyable and Informative Keep up The Good Work.

This longer episodes are just fantastic, too many details on the events! Keep it up. I was waiting some mention about a night fighting force which drank the blood of their foes when you mentioned Transylvania. XD

I hope you also cover: the Yugoslav civil war, the Arbian war, and the battles of the Dervishes in Somalia.

@johnivkovich8655

5 жыл бұрын

well done tommy

@comradeuro4255

4 жыл бұрын

There was no civil war in Yugoslavia post WW1

This show is outstanding! I’m going to increase my Patreon subscription to help out. I hope others do too. Like PBS this deserves public funding. Thanks for all your hard work guys and I FLO has a great vacation. :-)

@TheGreatWar

5 жыл бұрын

thank you Steve!

Catching all this backlog. I am a major fan of Jesse Alexander. Thanks for bringing history to the people.

A brilliant series. Very well researched

Incredibly impressive detail… Most other KZread history videos Glide over important topics so you come away not really understanding anything. This is the opposite, look forward to watching more of your videos!

French friend: *Why you hate France?* Me: *shoves him this video*

@szeklergeneral4266

5 жыл бұрын

French teacher: Why won't you learn the language Me: showes her this video

@till9652

5 жыл бұрын

@@szeklergeneral4266 Wow nice one :D

@szeklergeneral4266

5 жыл бұрын

@@till9652 i really hate france and the french i'm so happy that notre dame is burning xD

@till9652

5 жыл бұрын

@@szeklergeneral4266 Its also a very symbolic part of our religion, thats the only reason my not that glad.

@szeklergeneral4266

5 жыл бұрын

@@till9652 well i am reformed so to say but in reality i still stick to tengriism

outstanding material, well done

Fastastic episode - learning a lot about the postwar era from this series

I'm Australian and have nearly completed my schooling taking every class I could on history, and I've never heard of or been taught about the Red Flag Riots. Thank you for teaching me something new about my country.

@angusmcpherson3474

5 жыл бұрын

We aren't taught that there were socialist elements in Australia at the time, or at least that any caught traction.

*L E N I N S B O I S*

Great video mate keep it up! Love this content

I just love these longer episodes

Very nice video. Are we gonna see one about Czechoslovakia as well?

I love the quote "with arms in our hands."

@TheCimbrianBull

5 жыл бұрын

And that only accounts for small arms! 😀

This was a very informative video. Great job.

Great channel. One of the best on KZread.

If you are interested in Hungarian history (Especially the early 20st era), i recommend to read Cecile Tormay: An Outlaw's Diary

@vladescu3g

4 жыл бұрын

Why would i be interested?

@buldosersandrew4687

4 жыл бұрын

@@vladescu3g hello proletarian boy!

My maternal great-grandfather served in Horthy's forces as an officer. Only after realising that his beloved monarchy isn't coming back and considering Horthy a traitor, he left Hungary for Poland (he married my Polish great-grandmother when Central Powers liberated Lwów/Lemberg from Russians few year earlier). There was something mentioned by my grandfather that he might have fled to Poland from the heat, having previously participated in "white terror" and going a bit too far, since he reportedly had fiery hatred for communists. Alas, now that I'm old enough to ask and be told more details (even if "nasty") nobody who knew him yet lives. Kind of weird to think that kindly looking moustached man I know from old photos as butcher of Reds. If he really was one... I'm proud of my Great-grandfather.

@nobootlickers8498

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus christ... imagine being proud of your facist murdering grandfather. Hungarians man

Holy crap, that's a lot of information. Well done!

This is the exactly the stuff I’ve wanted to learn! The interwar period is so often over looked!

Another factor of the post-war period in Hungary that should have received more attention was the effect of the hunger blockade. The Entente was still preventing food from being imported long after the war was over. Hunger promotes poor counsel.

@Kalimdor199Menegroth

4 жыл бұрын

In this regard the Romanian occupational army helped a bit by sending food trains to Hungary, feeding the population for a period of time. Also, it is to note that part of the food shortages in Hungary were also caused by Hungarian farmers, speculating higher prices on the market due to scarcity.

I really appreciate the postwar work you guys are doing. People think of the war as something that ended and Versailles set up a new world, but it’s obvious not.

Very excellent episode! I know very little about Hungarian history compared to well, almost every other big European nation so it's great to see you all covering this. Thanks to Dora!

@christinahorvath355

5 жыл бұрын

Arif HB very little Hungarian history is available in English. Hungary’s WW ll history is also interesting but it is difficult to find much information on it as well.

I congratulate you on your efforts to pronounce names and places properly! carry on!

The Romanian began to mobilize on April 1. April’s fool: Am I a joke to you?

@ 27:28 "...the only KZread history channel that does not make any Dracula jokes when talking about Transylvania." Heh, that's funny. Hey.....wait a minute!

@yaujj65

4 жыл бұрын

I would say Dracula is an Austrian Hungarian citizen because Transylvania is part of Austria Hungary when the Dracula story began

@Kalimdor199Menegroth

4 жыл бұрын

@@yaujj65 Well yeah, but the inspiration for him came from a Wallachian prince.

@e1123581321345589144

4 жыл бұрын

If I recall he later moved to London and then to America so he doesn't have much to do with Transylvania these days.

Fantastic episode ty

Great Job Guys for covering an often ignored Era 👍

You also didn't mention that Hungary declared war at Czechoslovakia to take back Slovakia.

As a hungarian, i have never heard of this era in our history. So it's nice to hear.

@_.Leo_.

Жыл бұрын

Bozgor education, no doubt

I enjoy your channel. I hope you are receiving a percentage for the commercials that interrupt your broadcast.

Before I even watch this vid I wish ye guys could make your vids more frequent because I really like many many MANY others enjoy them and there is nothing I would like to see more on KZread than to see you guys at the very top thank you

Its hard not to feel bad for Hungary at the unjust treatment by the Entente.

@Kalimdor199Menegroth

4 жыл бұрын

Don't feel bad for imperialists. Feel bad for those who were under their boot for centuries who experienced even worse under them. Sometimes history greatly punishes those who have done so many wrong deeds.

@MrAnticlimate

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kalimdor199Menegroth - Even if you subscribe to the narrative of the evil landlords exploiting the peasantry, its worth noting that the majority of Hungarians were peasants/serfs themselves and not noblemen in those centuries, when ethnic minorities were supposedly trampled on by Hungarian boots and whatnot.

@Kalimdor199Menegroth

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrAnticlimate Indeed. But being a Hungarian, even a peasant, gave them access to more privileges and more rights than if you were Romanian, Slovak, Serb or of any other nation under Hungarian occupation. For example, Hungarian peasants had priority when it came to purchasing land, or borrowing money from banks to purchase land. Or purchasing buildings inside Transylvanian cities. The reason why Romanians could hardly penetrate the cities is due to them not receiving stay, construction permits if they wanted to build a house for example, or there were restriction on houses for sale. To counter this, Romanians had to form from scratch independent private institutions. Private banks, to lend them credits. Private cultural associations, to practice their culture and language. Private schools, administered by either the church, former border regiments or wealthy Romanians from the Old Kingdom. And all of this while being obstructed by the Hungarian dominated central authorities, who did not know what legislation to invent so that they can hinder our private education, our banks (the most important Romanian bank, Banca Albina was saved from default by a grant given by the Romania Central Bank, not by the Hungarian one in the 1890s), our press (back then any article written which supported any form of Transylvania autonomy, of unity with Romania or criticizing the Hungarian authorities for their breaches in human rights and liberties were either severely finned, closed all together and the journalists exiled or imprisoned), our cultural associations (particularly ASTRA), etc. etc. So no. A Hungarian peasant had a much better environment to thrive and to escape its social status than a Romanian had during the Austria-Hungary monarchy. It is no wonder that most Romanians from Transylvania, until the 1920s, managed to publish their works either in the Old Kingdom or abroad.

@Kalimdor199Menegroth

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrAnticlimate Also, I do not necessarily consider the Hungarian people as imperialists. There were as many victims among them as there were perpetrators. But the state itself was imperialistic. Its foundation was through the conquest and occupation of other people. Coupled with state sponsored anti-minority terrorism and various other restriction, the situation in which the national minorities in Hungary were was dire.

@MrAnticlimate

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kalimdor199Menegroth - (Sorry for the long answer, but you brought up many things.) I didn't specifically mean the dualist period (the second half of 19th century), but the history of Hungary before 1920 in general. The centuries, you mentioned. Considering Transylvania: even the Hungarian regions were neglected in the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy (2nd half of 19th century). In fact, Romanian peasants had better opportunities buying land due to the credit institutions you mentioned, that were supported from Romania. Emigration of Hungarians from Eastern Transylvania was an oft discussed problem in that time. As for Hungary being based on imperialism and conquest, it's not clear to me what you are talking about. Hungary's borders were more or less the same after Hungarians occupied it in the 10th century till basically 1920. The Ottoman rule caused it to break into three parts in the 16th and 17th century, and Transylvania under Habsburg rule was seperated from Hungary after that before united with Hungary again, but those changes don't mean the country was based on conquest or expansion. If anything, the country itself was most of the time subject to expansion by greater powers.

This is just amazing history. I never heard any of this.

@DoraFauszt

5 жыл бұрын

Happy to read that! This was actually the goal of this episode! Not a lot of people know about this very short history of Hungary, usually only taught within the borders.

@johnivkovich8655

5 жыл бұрын

Victors write and extol history.... this is a time without winners.

@GenghisVern

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnivkovich8655It's just so interesting-- the struggle of democracy over the past hundred years, with the revolutionary left and the reactionary right both at each others throats

Thanks!

Jesse I found it at 19 Minutes , Jan Smuts on April 4 and 5 went to Hungary . ' Not much in the way of results " at 19 min 15 seconds . This is not what I was expecting . Thank you for the video .

cant you make an episode (episodes) of the war crimes committed during ww1 from all sides? you had the Hague Convention of 1899 and 1907, if not all...atleast some of them

Imagine the state of mind of people saying "... terror and bloodshed is our moral obligation..."

@marrs1013

5 жыл бұрын

Halgrenos ...islam much...?

@kaczynskis5721

5 жыл бұрын

After four years of WW1?

@MrAnticlimate

4 жыл бұрын

@Yugesh Patnaik - Maybe because front experiences desensitized many of them? BTW, those guys didn't represent Europe or Hungary in general, even many intellectuals were against them.

Nice work keep it up

History is amazing to learn

I am little bit sad you didn't mention Slovak Soviet Republic which existed briefly in 1919

@artyerty35

5 жыл бұрын

It was a Hungarian "puppet state".

@peterpeterfy1460

5 жыл бұрын

@@artyerty35 It was not part of Hungary, and was not a Hungarian but a Soviet puppet state, since it was the idea of Lenin, who ordered Kun to create a Slovak Republic. In late May, after the Entente military representative demanded more territorial concessions from Hungary, Kun attempted to "fulfill" his promise to adhere to Hungary's historical borders. The men of the Hungarian Red Army were recruited mainly from the volunteers of the Budapest proletariat.[25] In June, the Hungarian Red Army invaded the eastern part of the newly-forming Czechoslovak state, approximately the former Upper Hungary. The Hungarian Red Army achieved some military success early on: under the leadership of Colonel Aurél Stromfeld, it ousted Czech troops from the north, and planned to march against the Romanian army in the east. Despite promises for the restoration of the former borders of Hungary, the communists declared the establishment of the Slovak Soviet Republic in Prešov (Eperjes) on 16 June 1919.[26] After the proclamation of the Slovak Soviet Republic, the Hungarian nationalists and patriots soon realized that the new communist government had no intentions to recapture the lost territories, only to spread communist ideology and establish other communist states in Europe, thus sacrificing Hungarian national interests.[27] The Hungarian patriots in the Red Army saw this as a betrayal, and their support for the government began to erode (the communists and their government supported the establishment of the Slovak Communist state, while the Hungarian patriots wanted to keep the reoccupied territories for Hungary). Despite a series of military victories against the Czechoslovak army, the Hungarian Red Army started to disintegrate due to tension between nationalists and communists during the establishment of the Slovak Soviet Republic. The concession eroded support of the communist government among professional military officers and nationalists in the Hungarian Red Army; even the chief of the general staff Aurél Stromfeld, resigned his post in protest.[28]

@TheLocalLt

5 жыл бұрын

Mogras Fel-Fotch Passameer Day Slitheen that’s in the next episode! This is part 1 of 2

@LB-ci8pz

4 жыл бұрын

You have a Hungarian name

Welcome from Hungary

Thank you,

I was really suprised in the Budapest National Gallery when I read about the Hungarian revolution, so much of our taught history talks about the trenches and then stops. This channel is brilliant! Side note, Magyar is pronounced Mohg-Yuhr in Hungarian

@kaczynskis5721

5 жыл бұрын

It may be an awkward subject to teach in Hungarian schools.

@fehervari98

5 жыл бұрын

@@kaczynskis5721 Not really awkward, but the chrisanthemum revolution is generally condemned by the public, and Károlyi is viewed as a disastrous failure. While, the red terror was terrible, the communist takeover is just viewed as the icing on the cake.

Karoly dismissed the whole Hungarian army it was a fatal decision...............

@kaczynskis5721

5 жыл бұрын

He probably thought the Entente would like that.

I would make a National Hungary joke, but the lenin bois are at my doorstep.

thank you

oh boy this is was a messed up situation i am almost not able to follow who did was and who intervened where :) great video thank you

And Hungary still affected by these events in a negative way, sad, sad history :(

@johnivkovich8655

5 жыл бұрын

A lot of alienated neighbors. I have a Slovenian coworker who can always be distracted from observations of Serbia by mentioning Hungary.

Long story short, the allies created a future enemy

Dang, talk about an awesome Sunday. New Great War episode and new Game of Thrones episode. HOLY SHAT I MAY FECE MY PANTS

Hey! First of all thank you for the quality content! I've been following this channel for a long time, it's one of my favourite KZread channels, and I've never seen anyone talk about the First World War in such depth and quality - which I think is a very underrated subject anyway. But I'm not just praising, I'm asking. I am writing from Hungary, the country where the soviet republic of Hungary, the bolsheviks and the lenin boys ruled for 133 days. although it was only a few months, it has caused traumas in the psyche of the people that last to this day, and is still a reference point in public discourse and among politicians - true, only populists talk about it, but I think it speaks for itself that, by historical standards, an episode of a blink of an eye from a hundred years ago can still be a topic of discussion today. So, Hungary was a part of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy until the loss of World War I. After that, the two countries, which had lived in symbiosis for centuries, drifted apart almost immediately, and while terror set in in Hungary, in austria... so what happened in austria after the great war? i tried to look for summaries of this period, but i couldn't really find any, but i'm very interested to know how it is possible in a country that had been a great european power for centuries before, and which became an insignificant country after the defeat in the world war, that people didn't go 'mad', that the extremists didn't come to power, that there was no communist takeover, etc. .. could there be a major video in the future about post WWI austria, as there was about Germany and Hungary?

@DanielGarcia-kw4ep

3 ай бұрын

You're right in that Austria's history is rarely mentioned (if at all) during the interwar period. I would also like some videos on the topic

Soviet Hungary:exist Romania:I am gonna end this whole man carrer

1 out of every 3 ethnic Hungarians, more than 3 million were living in those areas that were ceded. Of course the Hungarians saw it as a fight for survival or rather as a tragedy. There was no promise that their neighbours would not be given even more. Bratislava was not even 16% Slovak speaking in 1910, yet it was ceded, made capital city of Slovakia and renamed to Bratislava, I'll just leave it here.

@Pandorinaskrinka

5 жыл бұрын

Bratislava was an important transport hub. Czechoslovakia needed the Danube. It is silly that even 100 years after, Hungarians still call our capital "Pozsony". It is Bratislava. Pozsony no more exists. :)

@AnthonyConstable

5 жыл бұрын

It is less clear than the 1/3 comment, I think. For example, fewer than 50% of people in 'Hungary' (greater geographical claim) were Hungarian (the rest being the hodge-podge of other nationalities). In addition, in the countryside the awakening of all Nationalities had been partial before the war at best (though my knowledge is best pre-1900 on this point and open to be corrected). Essentially, it was a mess. But one that was definitive and the result has held for nearly a century (with Soviet help).

@Pandorinaskrinka

5 жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyConstable Hungarians, Czech, Slovaks and Austrians have very similar DNA in present. We differ only in speech and culture. Hungarians think they are different than Slavs. But in DNA, they are Slavs with different speech and culture. Central Europe is too complex. :)

@MCAurothic

5 жыл бұрын

@@Pandorinaskrinka What is silly is that the plans for the redistribution of Central Europe was supposedly based on ethnic backgrounds with the aim of national determination. In the end though, not only Czechoslovakia took Pozsony, but also everything to the Danube, which was ethnic majority Hungarian, but they needed a river for a new border. The Czechs spat on Wilson's self-determination as they annexed many Hungarian majority territories, also laying claim to the Miskolc, and Szigetköz area around the border, which were ethnic Hungarian territories too. (Don't get me wrong, I am all about self-determination, and I am not saying that taking Slovak majority territories was wrong, but the fact that clearly ethnic Hungarian land was ceded to Czechoslovakia too is simply disgusting.)

@Pandorinaskrinka

5 жыл бұрын

@@MCAurothic Masaryk (head of Czechoslovak resistance) has always argued with historical law, not national law. But. Historical law is also nonsense. Who actually inhabited Great Moravia? Was it Slavs, Czechs, Slovaks or anyone else? Who knows? But. The Austro-Hungarian monarchy failed to adapt to the 20th century. Slavic nationalities in Hungary were actually discriminated against. And. Czechoslovakia had skilful people at the Peace Conference in Paris. One of them, Stephen Osusky, could not study in Hungary due to his nationality. He emigrated to the USA. He joined the Czechoslovak Foreign Resistance and enjoyed it at the Peace Conference. :) He signed Trianon for the Slovaks.

Aaaand another amazing episode!! Such a great content, that hasn't let down since the chronological Great War ended in 2018. Are you planning on doing an episode about the rise to power of the different Ukranian republics and the Russian civil war inside Ukraine? It's very interesting since many of the fighting factions are quite unique (like the "blacks" or anarchists). Thanks!

I certainly wouldn't want to count on a dictatorship for my "liberation". Terror and bloodshed are a moral obligation? Wow. And he had the chutzpah to cone right out and say it! Unreal. Great content as always. The ongoing strife after WW1 is often overlooked in many history curriculums. It is worth studying, because it had a lot of effect on what came later. The effect was often very far-reaching.