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Kind of missed the most important part. The leaders of the 1916 Rising were brutally and inhumanely executed in prison. That galvanized public opinion in Ireland to fully support a Republic and effectively ruined any chance the British Empire had of slipping the yoke of centuries of oppression back on.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

27 күн бұрын

The leaders of the 1916 brutally murdered 400 innocent people and betrayed the free people of Europe to the German tyranny! WHAT oppression, come one WHAT OPPRESSION? It was all a lie but you knew that deep down, didn't you?

@sarpyasar5893

26 күн бұрын

@@MrLorenzovanmatterhoyes they did killed civilians but then the British had the great idea of shelling every building they saw in Dublin so the British killed just as much as civilians as the rising members and stop whining about the alliance with Germany any one would have done that

@freebeerfordworkers

22 күн бұрын

@@sarpyasar5893 They mostly evacuated the city center first but one of the first to die was a man who tried to take his handcart out of a barricade The first policeman to die was an unarmed a Constable on the gate of Dublin Castle who refused to give them the keys and told them to F off. Next a group of cavalry who only had swords were escorting a military wagon along O'Connell Street and they were shot. In the afternoon a group of unarmed militia from Trinity College were walking along the quays after a day in the Dublin Mountains when they were shot.

@whitetroutchannel

18 күн бұрын

​@@sarpyasar5893the people on the streets of dublin spat and jeered the 1916 rebels upon there arrest and marched to jail before death sentence was passed and the fact of them being killed swung the public mind had they been thrown in jail the story could have been different but the british always seem intent in supplying the irish with heroes

@invisibleray6987

16 күн бұрын

They were traitors

A small anachronism is that Ulster is not Northern Ireland Ulster is 9 counties of the province, and Northern Ireland is 6 of those 9.

@frankharrington8528

11 күн бұрын

Gerrymandering to guarantee a protestant unionist stateless.

@frankharrington8528

11 күн бұрын

Statelet

@whitetroutchannel

11 күн бұрын

@@frankharrington8528 the last place on earth where an irish catholic can be just that, the catholic nation for the catholics couldnt even enshrine the rights of irish citizens, unionists protected the gaelic language and stopped it being confined to history, your secterianism presents itself as ignorance

@damionkeeling3103

8 күн бұрын

@@whitetroutchannel A hundred years after independence and Irish is spoken by less people today despite a larger population than back in 1922. As is typical, the middle and upper classes who barely spoke Irish wanted nothing to do with the language. They allowed some words to be used for flavour but otherwise sidelined the language.

@stuartkelly3106

7 күн бұрын

People know this, but Ulster is the name used. Ulster is not a political entity and so can be used loosely.

finally someone ignored the lawyers' advice not to comment on this event

Lets not forget many irishmen fought and died in WW1, when those who survived and returned home brought back their seasoned veterancy and combat expertise

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

27 күн бұрын

And were murdered by the IRA!

@daveanderson3805

25 күн бұрын

Although an insurgency war is quite different to the butchery of the western front.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

25 күн бұрын

@@daveanderson3805 Much easier, more British soldiers died of disease and accidents in Ireland than were killed by the IRA

@jeremyfoster6942

24 күн бұрын

the military uprising was utterly crushed , they were no seasoned veterans!,

@lydon1337

24 күн бұрын

And even then.... the brits were also battlehardened veterans i assume. There were enough protestants in the pale amd beyond im sure

SOME of Ulster stayed in the UK not all of it. The Unionists used to love saying "Ulster says No" when they objected to, well, everything but they aren't even all of Ulster, 3 counties are in the Republic.

@whitetroutchannel

18 күн бұрын

did you sit up all night thinking of that comment

@ranica47

18 күн бұрын

@@whitetroutchannel Now why on earth would you suggest that? I barely even remember writing this, primarily because it didn't take much thinking to do so. Simple facts my friend don't take time to put down in words. Also simple mathematics: 6 is less than 9.

What’s interesting is that you can see KZread videos of leading ira veterans made in the 1960s speaking about these events and the civil war. That’s like hearing directly from Sam Adams or Thomas Paine

@jamesmarshall6619

26 күн бұрын

I saw a few of those and one of those guys seems like the sweetest old man and then you learn he was a stone cold killer. Was fascinating.

@freebeerfordworkers

23 күн бұрын

Old men particularly soldiers have very selective memories it's the way they blank out some of the things they've done. this goes for most soldiers not just IRA. as always in these cases there's an awful lot of BS

@ianmedford4855

22 күн бұрын

I imagine they're so glad that they fought so hard for their descendants to hand Ireland over to North Africa...🤔

@ImSorryFive

17 күн бұрын

@@ianmedford4855 Obvious Brit detected.

@ianmedford4855

17 күн бұрын

@@ImSorryFive nope. American. But i can see what's happening. The current "Irish Nationalists" arent worthy of carrying their fathers Armalites.

My great grandad was a column member, but he rarely ever told my father about the war because he had severe ptsd

Interesting once again. Thank you

I am from Macroom in County Cork. Macroom was the centre of the fighting in the Irish war of Independance. Michael Collins was shot nearby as well as the Kilmichael ambush. It can be surprising sometimes of people from up the country and abroad come and visit these historical sites

Just a small note, the Dáil is pronounced as though you were saying Dall, not dail. Pedantic whinge over, that was a great video as always.

@dik943

28 күн бұрын

It's not even a real language anyways

@VikingBrave

28 күн бұрын

@@dik943 What do you mean by that?

@echophantom8511

28 күн бұрын

​@@dik943 it is and its older than english

@myparceltape1169

28 күн бұрын

I usually hear it as Doyle.

@dundalkbullzboy

28 күн бұрын

I would have said dawl, almost like dawn but swapped the N for L.

Timely video thanks Great War!

Another excellent doc Great War team!

Informative video. Thank you.

Epic video, epic last subtitle too 👍🏻

Hey, happy 10 years! One of the best channels around. Looking forward to the next 10!

I love this channel!

Very interesting 👏 👏 👏

Very interesting.

Because to win such a war you have to do so much damage that you may as well not have bothered.

@tedhodge4830

28 күн бұрын

Well, and they also got to keep Northern Ireland....

@EllieMaes-Grandad

28 күн бұрын

@@tedhodge4830 Local people got to decide . . .

@nicholasevangelos5443

28 күн бұрын

This didn't deter other escalations of colonial counterinsurgency actions into total war, mass torture, scorched earth, concentration camps and indiscriminate massacres of civilians, such as by the French in Algeria (repeatedly going back to the 1830s) and the French and then Americans in Indochina, to take just the two most prominent examples of the decolonization wars. It's not making a difference in Gaza right now that they are doing "so much damage" that nothing will be left but depopulated rubble. What stops counterinsurgency campaigns by militarily superior powers is the costs to the colonial powers themselves, assuming their home populations are unwilling to bear these costs. At that time, after WWI, London saw that there was a limit to what the British people (and the political opponents of keeping all Ireland at all costs) would continue to bear. In the US, the acceptable costs have been much lower since Vietnam, which is why the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan have ended despite the move to volunteer armies and drone and other remote warfare.

@freebeerfordworkers

28 күн бұрын

@@nicholasevangelos5443 It's also overlooked particularly by this guy in his several videos on Ireland of the period that the Home Rule Act passed into law in 1914. The work of setting up a separate Irish executive for internal self government had been going on for 10 years and was pretty much complete. Sinn Fein could have negotiated from that point but individuals on their own initiative set out to kill policemen and completely changed the political scene. Britain had already accepted Irish internal self-government the only real question was selling it to Ulster which was unenthusiastic to say the least in 1914. The violent minority that set out to purge Ireland of everything British including if possible the English language completely alienated them. For Britain to have "won" the War of Independence would have been to put the political clock back 40 years.

@myparceltape1169

28 күн бұрын

@@freebeerfordworkers The Ireland Alone people still want to turn Ulster into a bog. Like Conemaragh.

Incredible History Amazing Presentation Wonderful Details and some Proper Semantics Feel’s so Tact

The single best history video series on KZread (or anywhere for that matter)

Thank you.

Great video overall, but it’s “RIC”, not “IRC” for the royal irish constabulary

@theMosen

6 күн бұрын

And the Dáil is pronounced "doil", not "dial"

I actually wanna ask, since you guys made a video on the Battle of Verdun about 2 months ago, will we be seeing one on the Somme anytime soon?

@TheGreatWar

29 күн бұрын

yes

@godlovesyou1995

29 күн бұрын

@@TheGreatWar hooray!

@sonderson8389

28 күн бұрын

@@TheGreatWarwonderful

Just to say; its pronounced "Dawl" not Dial.

Decent video, well done, surely this is the handbook called "independence 101" for future rebel causes.

The British were not prepared to go full SS on the Irish. The Irish weren't going to stop. The amount of force required was incommensurate with morality.

@Roundhay2718

24 күн бұрын

That never bothered the British before

@poil8351

24 күн бұрын

They sort of did on a small scale. Of course the usa probably played a role given they irish were getting alot of support from America. And the british were not really all that willing to risk canada over ireland.

@scottmccrea1873

24 күн бұрын

@@poil8351 The British did some nasty stuff, not denying that at all. But they didn't round up hundreds of thousands of Irish civilians. Or murder tens of thousands of them. The British could have absolutely won the war. But the price was simply not worth it. Even Churchill, always ready for a fight, understood this.

@poil8351

24 күн бұрын

@scottmccrea1873 well the blacks and tans were sort of like the germans in crete on much smaller scale. And the auxiliaries. Certain units were virtual death squads a bit like 1970s/80s dirty wars south america. The irish were pretty bad also murdering poltical oppents and suspected collaboraterd and at times just people they had grudges with. Of course the fact that Britain had just finished a nasty war and had a number of other colonial wars to deal with and also the pesky Bolsheviks meant that they were unwilling to spare the manpower to fight an nasty unpopular war on their own doorstep. Also the threat of similar uprisings in Scotland and wales was likely at the back of the establishments mind especially with the whole communism thingy going on.

@RayshiaRoman

23 күн бұрын

The difference is that the Irish can actually fight back now. The Brits can't just starve them again by the 1920s :v

15:27 that guy going gun to gun staring down the business end of each??? Omega brain

@joaosaran4440

21 күн бұрын

his brain was so big he was desperately trying to find a way to make it a little bit smaller

@damionkeeling3103

8 күн бұрын

Standard military practice of the time to inspect for clean barrels. Note that the bolts are all in the open position so the weapons can't be fired.

Outstanding documentary, thank you so much for posting! One small note if I may, the correct pronunciation of the Irish word Dáil is more along the lines of the word 'oil' with a 'd' preceding it.

History may not repeat, but it sure does rhyme.

Thanks for the video🇮🇪

This was a great video and very informative. I just wanted to add a few extra details for anybody interested: The IRA conducted a very sophisticated offensive against British authorities during the War of Independence, so much so that Michael Collins is widely seen as being the founder of modern guerrilla warfare tactics. As a result, there have been numerous studies on the guerrilla warfare tactics that were used during this war. Besides ambushes, the IRA conducted countless raids on RIC barracks that were dotted throughout the country. This supplied the IRA with badly needed guns and munitions for their cause. As ammunition was a problem for the IRA, they disrupted the British authorities in many ways. This saw numerous bridges blown up, train robberies, communication lines cut, roads blocked, the interception of mail and much more. A very effective tactic used by the IRA and regular people was to boycott the RIC and anyone associated with them. Some shops and pubs wouldn’t serve RIC constables drink and other goods, and the locals would not speak to them. This would have hurt the RIC constables a lot. Also, many of the RIC constables resented the black and tans, and there are accounts of constables quitting the force after seeing atrocities and other actions committed by the black and tans. And lastly, you say that the Irish negotiating team ‘thought’ that they had the authority to sign a treaty on behalf of the Dail. I feel as though its important to acknowledge that they knew they had the authority. The negotiating team had plenipotentiary status, so they knew they could sign matters on behalf of the Dail and Irish Republic. However, despite this status, they were given strict orders in the Dail before the meetings to not sign anything under any circumstances before consulting the Dail. Upon signing the treaty, Michael Collins remarked ‘today, I have signed my own death warrant’, which illustrates how contentious the treaty/decision to sign was. Overall, I highly enjoyed this video and it provided excellent coverage of this history.

@freebeerfordworkers

23 күн бұрын

"A very effective tactic used by the IRA and regular people was to boycott the RIC and anyone associated with them etc. It was effective because if you didn't observe it the IRA would kill you - end of the story. The railways boycotted the movement of the military with the support of their unions. They might have been influenced by the fact that three IRA went into the head office in Dublin and literally blew the chairman's head off. If you want to read what was going on in Ireland I recommend Police Casualties in Ireland 1919-1922 by Richard Abbott. When the British raided the IRA offices they found that many of the cash donors were well off Protestant farmers and I don't think they were doing it out of sympathy. It was that or have their farms burned down.

@freebeerfordworkers

23 күн бұрын

I did post a long reply but they deleted it. The boycott was effective because the IRA murdered anyone who didn't observe it

It was on a dreary New Years Eve as the shade of night fell down...

Where did you get the information that the people of Cork were compensated for the burning? I can't find any such info.

@freebeerfordworkers

28 күн бұрын

In just about every history book it quotes £3 million. I've researched the damage done and on calculated real estate values at the time the actual damage was less than £500,000. The British authorities paid compensation for IRA attacks and there was a bit of profiteering going on. A farmer who claimed for hay burned by the IRA was believed to have sold it and a postman who claimed his cart had been burned had burnt it himself because he wanted a new one.

@gloverfox9135

26 күн бұрын

He said it came to him in a dream

“No policeman will ever be prosecuted for shooting a man ,” sounds like the best definition of qualified immunity for law enforcement 😢

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

27 күн бұрын

And a complete lie. George Smyth was a true Irish hero, just check out his Wiki

@sgtcwhatley

26 күн бұрын

Qualified immunity has nothing to do with criminal charges.

@freebeerfordworkers

22 күн бұрын

I think it's half of what he said. The second half was - if he has his hands in his pockets and refuses to put them up when ordered.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

21 күн бұрын

@@freebeerfordworkers Gerald Smyth, a true Irish hero never said any such thing, complete IRA propaganda

A democracy cannot fight sedetion or rebellion without compromising its morality.

@Fetherko

21 күн бұрын

We defeated the Confederacy. 🇺🇸

@bdleo300

18 күн бұрын

British "morality" lol

I'm just asking, but is there any chance you could do something on Northern ireland or the Unionist movement across ireland because most don't know much about which leads to not understanding why they actually opposed home rule and why they resorted to militarism by 1913.

lol you left off the "reptile" part of the signoff tag.

@nicholasevangelos5443

28 күн бұрын

Perhaps because they mean it seriously? Mwa ha ha ha!

I've yet to talk to anyone from Ireland that doesn't think Éamon de Valera was a traitor who had Michael Collins killed.

@MarkHarrison733

21 күн бұрын

Collins was the traitor.

@Creaner1

17 күн бұрын

And here you have the dichotomy of Ireland. The divide in perspectives that caused the civil war. You were either pro treaty (Pro Collins) like me or Anti Treaty(Pro Dev) like the above commenter. These divisions still exist today although they are usually civilised disagreements now then out right war. Thankfully

@stephendeane7509

13 күн бұрын

De Valera was completely irrelevant by the time Collins was killed. He had no control at all over the IRA at the time so he 100% did not have Collins killed.

@callu947

12 күн бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733west Brit

@panoramicLight

11 күн бұрын

What an idiotic thing to say. ​@@MarkHarrison733

Hard to fight a war when the enemi is within.

Please do one video on the Eastern Front of the Turkish War of Independence. Its very less covered.

“Foreign and unjust” COULD have been elaborated on JUST A BIT. ;)

The Home Rule bill (far short of independence) was passed; signed and immediately shelved by the British in 1912. The cunning trick by the British was giving the Unionists an absolute veto over it. Which killed it completely. Everybody knew the Unionists would never agree to any form of home rule. They even opposed more local government power which they vetoed and then torpedoed in 1906. This deliberate policy destroyed the constitutional route because the Irish knew that no matter how often they voted for home rule/independence parties nothing would ever happen. The Unionists who were less than 20% of the total population would simply veto every proposal. After all, the Unionists were the British settler ruling class in Ireland and they knew it. And nothing short of war would change it. Thus knowing war was the only route, Sinn Fein/IRA had a dual strategy. One was fighting a guerrilla war. The other was taking over every local government body in the 26 counties by winning all elections from 1918. They then set up their own police force and court system. This hollowed out British occupation so that they had no effective control except in the largest cities. By keeping the IRA in being and successfully striking British patrols they forced the British on the back foot. Victory in this situation is not losing militarily against an enemy 10xs your size. By raising the cost for the British so an unacceptable level for them. And keeping your forces in the field. Every successful guerilla campaign in the 20th century followed the same strategy. The Americans prevented the British from the usual policy of large scale massacres (like Amritsar and hundreds of others) in order not to have an issue with the Irish American vote in the US. So the British could only carry out local small scale massacres and acts of terrorism. They simply could not get the kill rate of innocent victims to a high enough level to break the population. But the British wanted to and indeed their burning of Cork city is one example of them testing out of a large scale terror campaign for media reaction. However given the global media reaction to that particular terrorist operation, burning down other large Irish cities was then deemed to be a high risk strategy. Instead they decided that burning towns and villages and massacring 3-5 civilians per operation was ok. Which was how the British fought the war. All along, the primary objective of the British was to prevent home rule whilst avoiding direct responsibility for failing to implement it. Remember the government was controlled by the Conservatives who were the largest party in the coalition from 1916. And they were dedicated imperialists. The Liberals who were nominally pro home rule were split in half at this point; a small minority in government after 1918 and a few years from being completely wiped out as a political force. By giving out the Unionist veto this made the Unionists the fall guys. Which the Unionists were perfectly happy happy to be. And of course, this allowed the British to pretend to be neutral to international observers. Its an old trick but it didn't work in this situation. So plan B was to partition the country and offer limited independence to the 26 counties.

@MarkHarrison733

16 күн бұрын

Home Rule broke up the UK, as devolution did. The only massacres were by the IRA.

@rannenw6207

14 күн бұрын

​@MarkHarrison733 That isn't true, and you know it. History is muddled in the Grey. That is like saying the Union or Confederates didn't raid or burn town in the US Civil War they both most certainly did.

@MarkHarrison733

13 күн бұрын

@@rannenw6207 The only atrocities were by the IRA.

Black & Tans have an interesting history which could be made into a series, bandits and thugs turned into paramilitaries. That could sing.

@myparceltape1169

28 күн бұрын

From soldiers conscripted into the trenches to being in the position where you could see your soldiering.

@freebeerfordworkers

28 күн бұрын

That they were criminals is one of the most enduring lies told in Ireland they were war veterans and they were playing by Western front rules. To quote a veteran who was never in Ireland if the Germans did something dirty on us we did it back to them we didn't worry about international law. As everyone knew who the IRA were they didn't worry about legal principles they went round and shot them. This came as a terrible shock to the IRA who had killed 200 mostly Irish police in the preceding year with no comebacks whatever. To quote one of the most notorious IRA men, anyone helping the authorities would not be serving their family's interests. The Black and Tans didn't have that problem.

There’s a great song about this war called “the British soldier” by harvey andrews. Surprisingly melancholy.

an excellent presentation, but there are a couple important points you omitted. 1) irish music (and art in general). when you have the entire population singing songs such as a) "whether on the scaffold high or the battlefield we die, no matter if for ireland dear we fall" b) "being irish means we're guilty, so we're guilty, every one ... every man will stand behind the men behind the wire" c) check out irish soccer fans and "the fields of athenry" and poetry such as d) "come gather round me, parnellites" e) "patrick pearse has said that in each generation must ireland's blood be shed" and the list goes on and on and on ... how will you defeat that? it can't be done. 2) in general, with all of its colonies, in this case ireland, britain did NOT have the policy of owning it at all costs, but DESIRED some form of collegial relationship between states, and so used fairly limited force to quell insurrection, and was always ready to negotiate some form of reasonable arrangement.

A key piece of information as to the motivations of the general Irish population before the war is that most Irish (especially in Dublin) were not looking to split from English rule. The People in Dublin were angry at the rebels for the damage that was caused to their city during the rising. It was only after Gen.Maxwell ordered the executions of the rebels and created martyrs, that then caused the Irish people to turn on the British rule.

@MrBagpipes

29 күн бұрын

Prior to 1916 a huge majority of Irish people voted for those who espoused freedom from English rule.

@kevinkane2843

28 күн бұрын

@@MrBagpipes I had always believed that those party's objectives were to have a devolved government but still be attached to the crown. I'm going on what I remember from college 15years ago so I'm definitely rusty. Always remember being taught that the Easter rising captives were heckled by the locals for all the damage from the gun boat.

@cobbler9113

28 күн бұрын

@@MrBagpipes The Irish Party wanted Ireland to be able to govern itself, but remain in the British Empire. Their support among the people evaporated because of their pro-war stance during WW1, especially after the Easter Rising when Nationalist opinion shifted from autonomy to republicanism and total independence.

@patrickheath5011

28 күн бұрын

Source?

@ipfreely679

28 күн бұрын

​@@patrickheath5011source- nearly every history book written about it, I learned it school

Is anyone against a people that want to be free from an outside government?

@seanmccann8368

28 күн бұрын

The outside government!

@WeeWeeJumbo

28 күн бұрын

@@seanmccann8368THAT PART.

@thostaylor

28 күн бұрын

It depends what they do. Few people supported The Angry Brigade or the Red Brigade or have much time for American militia groups or the Davidians. This wasn't Passport to Pilmico. Besides, Home Rule was already on the table, the only question was what to do about the North who did not want it.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

28 күн бұрын

What outside government was that? We Irish were no different from anyone else, Nationalists just wanted a Catholic tyranny, that's all.

@freebeerfordworkers

28 күн бұрын

@@thostaylor Absolutely correct and youtube Armistice Day Dublin 1925 you will see the people were nothing like as anti British as we're told.

Ulster and Northern Ireland are not the same thing. I think when you use it at the start its ok because the NI border had not been draw but its not accurate to say Ulster is in the UK, NI is.

@christianmccann9400

26 күн бұрын

Borders in the Irish sea mate

@koeman1873

16 күн бұрын

@@christianmccann9400 There is also a border on land between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland mate.

The IRA was not named that until after they ambushed the policeman. The ambush was done without he permission of the new Irish government and ended it's hopes there'd be a peaceful end to British rule. After that, they gave the armed group the offical name Irish Republican Army.

@freebeerfordworkers

28 күн бұрын

Exactly true the politicians in Dublin wanted nothing to do with the IRA at the start. As W B Yeats said from Sinn Fein's press releases in the first year you would have thought the RIC were shooting each other.

@ellmag6028

26 күн бұрын

Interesting. The soloheadbeg ambush and the establishment of the dail took place on the same day (not planned, just coincidence I believe). I was led to believe that following the establishment of the Dail, the IRB became recognised as the official army of the dail, the Irish Republican Army

@brownsey1

18 күн бұрын

​@@ellmag6028The IRB was a separate organisation with a separate leadership structure. You could be a member of the IRB and IRA, but they were different groups. The IRA essentially emerged from the preexisting Irish Volunteer movement, which had rapidly recruited new members between 1917-18.

@ellmag6028

9 күн бұрын

@@brownsey1 yes you are absolutely right. I just got the IRB and Irish Volunteers mixed up there! I meant to say the Irish Volunteers became the official army of the dail, being then known as the IRA. Excuse the mistake, Its hard to keep track of all the different organisations🤣

Erin Go Bragh

3:15 ears

@weeeeehhhhh

22 күн бұрын

Man's head looks like the Webb Ellis Cup

Over a century has passed, and despite all of the bloodshed, lives lost and insufferable complications, the very simple question remains: Was the partition of Ireland legitimate, or not?

Never been this early XD

The similarity with our nowadays Middle-East issues is striking... Thanks to you Jesse and crew, I know much more about the exciting history of the relationship between Irish and British. Keep up the great work!

@noodlyappendage6729

20 күн бұрын

There is no similarity with the Middle East.

@rabihrac

20 күн бұрын

@@noodlyappendage6729 Oh yes there are, especially in Lebanon. I mean the religious affiliations concerning politics and sectarian violence. Moreover, one sect, the Protestants, was backed by the mighty neighbor UK. In parallel, some Muslim sects were backed in Lebanon by the mighty neighbor Syria, during the Lebanese Civil War between 1975 and 1990

@aheat3036

20 күн бұрын

@@noodlyappendage6729The Balfour Declaration started the mess in the Middle East and now Israel has its own version of apartheid just like South Africa did.

@darnellbiggumsthe9th658

18 күн бұрын

@@rabihraci’m from the north of ireland and please don’t mistake our conflict as a religious one because it isn’t, irish nationalists/republicans primarily happen to be catholics although there’s been plenty of protestant irish republicans such as wolfetone, ronnie bunting (he established the Irish National Liberation Army) and i’m sure there’s been catholic unionists/loyalists, our fight is a a war of national identity i.e ethnic irish vs ethnic british the same way it is with the palestinians

does this count as study for my history exams?

@freebeerfordworkers

23 күн бұрын

No because it's fundamentally flawed the implication is that the British wanted to win to impose their government. For in fact they'd an act of Parliament granting Ireland self government in 1914 so they were legally bound to give Ireland an independent parliament but the gunman took over. I suggest The making of Ireland by Professor James Lydon an Irishman and a Catholic

Dáil is pronounced dawl lmao 1:40

Occasional viewer, i thought the channel would stop uploading after 1923/2023?

Proud to say that both sides of my family were heavily involved during this entire period and later.

@myparceltape1169

28 күн бұрын

Then they probably were better than the provos. An old Irish man looked at the daily news about the country he had fought to make. He lifted his head from the pillow and shook his head. "That's noe army, that's just a bunch o' thugs."

@padraigpearse1551

28 күн бұрын

@@myparceltape1169 provos too. My family has been involved since at least the IRB in the 1890s and up to the Provos in 1980s

@dan-860

22 күн бұрын

So proud you seem to mention it in every comment section. Pride or attention seeking?

You summed it up quite well when you explained that the Irish lost militarily but won politically while it was vice versa for the british

@nicholasevangelos5443

28 күн бұрын

This is often the outcome with counterinsurgency warfare. US military historians are still complaining about how the Americans "won" the Tet Offensive. The Vietnamese command itself was appalled at the costs they had paid militarily. But the main aim, to win politically, was achieved: US public opinion turned against American boots on the ground (though Nixon kept the war going for another five years before completing "Vietnamization," by ending the draft and escalating the bombing).

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

28 күн бұрын

No, Britain won politically and militarily, Britain won, we had everything we wanted.

@freebeerfordworkers

28 күн бұрын

Britain had already passed into law an act allowing for Irish self-government. All the campaign did was alienate Ulster and make it politically impossible for Britain to coerce her into accepting a Dublin government.

@markpower9081

28 күн бұрын

@@freebeerfordworkers The British Army decided in 1914 that it wouldn't enforce the sovereign parliament's laws in relation to any Ulster rebellion.

@markpower9081

28 күн бұрын

@@MrLorenzovanmatterho A country leaving the Empire is not what Britain wanted. The British Army leaving Ireland was noticed all over the Empire.

14th, 10 May 2024

Because fighting a guerrilla war is VERY different from fighting a conventional one. Also Britain was probably just tired after WW1 in general

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

28 күн бұрын

No, Britain won, the IRA were defeated

Give Ireland back to the Irish

@godlovesyou1995

29 күн бұрын

I am both British and Irish, I'm happy here, we are all the same.

@philiphunn194

29 күн бұрын

Don’t worry, Brexit will probably result in Irish unification in the long run.

@aethellstan

29 күн бұрын

and hawaii back to the hawaiians, north america back to the navajo, comanche etc, south america back to the aztecs etc and so on.

@balabanasireti

29 күн бұрын

Then respect the opinions of your own people in Northern Ireland

@peacefulamerican4994

28 күн бұрын

give the moon back to the moonies.​@@aethellstan

We'll stay loyal up here! No surrender! 🟠☘️✋🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧 - Regards, A loyalist Taig

@MilesianPaul

12 күн бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

By 1916 many Irish had become accustomed to being part of the UK, despite wishing otherwise. The Irish Uprising was brave but brutally crushed. The British made the fatefully inhumane decision to execute participants in the uprising, swiftly and brutally, and in order to heighten intimidation the press were allowed to publicize those fated to execution. When the Irish public saw the beautiful faces and read the impressive biographies of their doomed brethren, and when the public saw British brutality against such people, the Irish public awoke, awoke from many years of abuse and repression. Once the Irish people turned against the British, there was no stopping them. After centuries of foreign domination, Irish independence was born (albeit in stages).

@MarkHarrison733

10 күн бұрын

That myth has been debunked.

@joshuaconnelly2415

10 күн бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733, myth? Your face has been debunked.

They didnt have cromwell to assist!

@MarkHarrison733

15 күн бұрын

Modern historians have confirmed Cromwell did nothing wrong in Ireland.

From the Beautiful Caribbean Islands 🏝 of Trinidad & Tobago w.i 🇹🇹 We ❤ & support this magnificent ch.

@ViciousWayz

25 күн бұрын

Trinidad 🇹🇹 💪🏾

Erin go Bragh!!

@Colonel_Blimp

28 күн бұрын

Interesting that woke utube can’t (or won’t) translate Gaelic.

@nicholasevangelos5443

28 күн бұрын

@@Colonel_Blimp I noticed that, but somehow I don't think it's because it's "woke."

@Colonel_Blimp

28 күн бұрын

@@nicholasevangelos5443 well maybe not but it can translate all kinds of stuff including Latin and Ancient Greek script.

@ranica47

26 күн бұрын

​@@Colonel_BlimpBtw we call it Irish not Gaelic, nobody, literally nobody in Ireland calls it Gaelic. Gaelic is an adjective used for culture, sport for example but is not what the language is called.

@Colonel_Blimp

26 күн бұрын

@@ranica47 thank you.

38% of Ulster is in the Republic of Ireland. Don't know why he says Ulster remained in the UK.

@MarkHarrison733

10 күн бұрын

Ireland reunited with the UK on 1 January 1973.

@darrendelaney9955

7 күн бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733 Hahaha ah no it didn't 😂😉👍

@MarkHarrison733

Күн бұрын

@@darrendelaney9955 It clearly did.

I'm supprised the conflict had so little bloodshed and it took so long to escalate into reprisals. Seems like all of it could have been avoided through diplomacy though.

Many in Britain were Sympathetic to the Irish. The Conservative newspaper "the Times" (AKA Times of London) recently ran a series of articles from its own paper , 100 years prior to that days date. In it you can see that even conservative voices were outraged by the unnecessary killing. Angry at both the IRA, and the British forces. the Irish home rule party was the largest party in parliament, and democratic support for an independent ireland was there already. The IRA doomed Ireland to partition, as it destroyed the confidence in home rule among the protestants in the north.

@freebeerfordworkers

23 күн бұрын

one of the few people who actually knows what he's talking about. The home rule act passed into law in 1914 to the acclamation of all parties and believe it or not Sinn Fein would have negotiated on that had psychotic gunmen not taken over. However the Irish Parliamentary Party was not the largest party but it was a powerful voting bloc and he could decide which party was in government. The Liberal Party of the day actually wanted the Irish parliamentary party out of the Commons because they would disrupt legislation for their own purposes

@Irishman0855

21 күн бұрын

Very bad take

@GabagoolEnjoyer863

19 күн бұрын

Protestant unionists in the north already opposed home rule. Ireland was on the verge of civil war over it before WW1 kicked off. Not only that but Northern Ireland itself was granted home rule after partition.

@DMFP93

19 күн бұрын

​@@GabagoolEnjoyer863 You are referring to the "Ulster Covenant" which was a petition to the UK government opposing home rule, in 1912. The Ulster covenant failed, and in 1914 the Irish Home Rule Act was passed. In fact, during 1916, almost nobody wanted violent rebellion against the British Government, because the general feeling was that the Irish had already got what they wanted - independence after the war. The delay until after the war was necessary as many naval bases, and British troops were based in/ from Ireland. However the British government ensured that there was no conscription in Ireland. In 1916, James Connolly - a Scottish republican who was considered a lunatic, even by other republicans in Ireland - stated he intended to take the GPO by force, and other republican groups were either with him, or against him, forcing their hand. Connolly's action would be known as the 1916 Easter Rising. Connolly militarised the question of Irish Home Rule into a republican war, which was unacceptable to Northern Protestants (whereas "Home Rule" was acceptable, just about). James Connolly's actions led directly to the partition of Ireland.

@GabagoolEnjoyer863

19 күн бұрын

@@DMFP93 You implied in your original comment that Ulster unionists had any faith in home rule to begin with. The crisis itself was put on hold during the war, not resolved simply because the act was passed. Home rule did not mean independence either, merely a limited form of self governance. It was actually the IRB that convinced Connolly and the ICA to join their already planned rebellion with the volunteers instead of the ICA doing it alone. The Ulster volunteers didn't disband during WW1, and unionists were not complacent in accepting home rule. Claiming Connolly was at fault for partition is the biggest stretch I've ever seen. Partition was the result of unionists not willing to accept Irish independence, and carving out as much land as they could.

Its the RIC not IRC, 🤣🤣

@TheDanieldineen

28 күн бұрын

I can't stop hearing it now! 🤣🤣🤣

I think I'm related to Michael Collins.

@MarkHarrison733

20 күн бұрын

How shameful.

And then what happened? How did they get rid of the crown?

@seanivan5421

21 күн бұрын

They’ve another video on the civil war which took place after this

As an Irishman we can defeat anyone except alcohol and ourselves!

@whitetroutchannel

18 күн бұрын

and the saracen hoards

Britain did not lose this war. Rather the British Government accepted that the draconian military measures to suppress the insurrection would be unacceptable and agreed to its independence on basis Northern Ireland was not included. Furthermore the idea of independence had already been agreed and backed by many British politicians. Britains primary objective was to prevent a Civil War here between Unionists mainly in the North and the Nationalists.

@fiachramaccana280

16 күн бұрын

Nonsense. I replied to yer nonsense above

@MarkHarrison733

16 күн бұрын

@@fiachramaccana280 Lloyd George was much too lenient.

@fiachramaccana280

16 күн бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733 yeah there is always an English troll. In every situation, in every gathering there is always an Emglish troll. Where did your empire go troll?? What happened?

@MarkHarrison733

16 күн бұрын

@@fiachramaccana280 The empire Ireland played a huge role in building? Churchill was bribed to destroy Europe and the British Empire by Strakosch.

@fiachramaccana280

16 күн бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733 like I said. Keep proving my point troll.

The British government’s own top civil servants advised the government in 1918 that dominion status would be required in Ireland which was the eventual outcome

Flo's biggest problem is that man bun.

The British lost because they chose to fight Irish independence. If they’d just have accepted Irish independence as voted by the Irish people a peaceful transition could have taken place. The British spent 700 years mistreating and oppressing the Irish so they’d never win any war against a determined population who were mostly against them

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

27 күн бұрын

What are you talking about? What is WRONG with you? Irish Unionists rejected a fascist sectarian dictatorship and preferred to remain part of free and democratic Britain. How can you not understand that?

@High_rise12

24 күн бұрын

@@MrLorenzovanmatterho”fascist sectarian dictatorship” mate northern Ireland exists because it was formed as an apartheid state to keep parts of Ireland under Anglo Scottish control

@ImSorryFive

17 күн бұрын

@@MrLorenzovanmatterho They could always be part of the Union back home in Scotland! Free and Democratic as they like.

Victory for the British was impossible without literally burning the country to the ground. Such was the levels of support for independence by this time. People who worked for the British state were ostracised in their communities to the point that they were not even able to shop in local grocery stores anymore. Without this gargantuan level of support from the ordinary Irish person on the street, the war of independence would not have succeeded.

@MarkHarrison733

10 күн бұрын

The vast majority of people wanted to remain in the UK.

@Xerrand

10 күн бұрын

​@@MarkHarrison733Lmao, see 1918 general election results in Ireland to see how wrong you are. I do enjoy when people make silly troll statements out of the blue though, so thank you.

@MarkHarrison733

9 күн бұрын

@@Xerrand There was no GE in 1919.

@MarkHarrison733

Күн бұрын

@@Xerrand If you are referring to the GE of 1918, it was won by the Conservatives.

@Xerrand

Күн бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733 I clearly was referring to 1918, and the result in Ireland.

As taboo as it is, I'm interested in the black and tans because it was made of up of WW1 vets. Back then, taking veterans and mobilizing them without any deprogramming we do with our service members today, is what I believe, as a veteran myself, why they caused so much violence. Their combat triggered PTSD would cause them to lose control and cause such heinous reprisals. I wonder if theres a book on this very topic

@freebeerfordworkers

23 күн бұрын

I'm afraid there is more to it than that which the Irish don't care to talk about. Groups of young men usually 19 or 20 year olds got together and called themselves the Bally something IRA and went out and killed policemen. The first and prime killer was one Dan Breen and you can look him up on the Internet he had no authority from anyone he wanted to start a war and he killed them for that reason only. Up to late 1920 almost 200 men had been killed mostly Irish police and the British had done nothing. They then recruited the Black and Tans and when they encountered the first two the IRA did what they had been doing for a year, put them against a wall and shot them. When their bodies were found their comrades did the same to two IRA prisoners because veterans don't take Sh1+t like that from anyone. The IRA were never a secret army everyone knew who they were and thought depriving them of the protection of British law was most unfair.

@freebeerfordworkers

19 күн бұрын

P T S D nothing they were war veterans and they were playing by Western front rules. To quote a veteran who was never in Ireland if the Germans did something dirty on us we did it back to them we didn't worry about international law. As everyone knew who the IRA were they didn't worry about legal principles they went round and shot them. This came as a terrible shock to the IRA who had killed 200 mostly Irish police in the preceding year with no comebacks whatever. To quote one of the most notorious IRA men, anyone helping the authorities would not be serving their family's interests. The Black and Tans didn't have that problem. It's one of the most remarkably successful pieces of political marketing that they are portrayed as criminals and gangsters which is only true if veteran soldiers who have learned to kill without compunction are criminals and gangsters. One of the most notorious incidents was when they came to the small town of Balbriggan killed two leading IRA men and set fire to a row of houses. That is the republican story. But they don't tell you is that an Irish policeman who had been instructing the Black and Tans was having a drink with his brother in the local pub. When an IRA man found out he got his revolver went into the pub and shot him in the face with an exploding bullet, wounding his brother. When the tans who knew him found out they came to town for revenge just as they would have done on the Western Front. They weren't playing by Irish Patriot Freedom fighter rules they were playing by a far harder set. As the footnote in the same street 6 months earlier the IRA had shot an unarmed local police sergeant in the back while the people cheered "that's the stuff to give them". On that occasion neither the police or authorities had taken any action whatsoever. It's remarkable that Patriots are allowed to shoot a policeman in the face for political reasons but a soldiers kills someone for killing his friend and it's inexcusable.

An Dáil, the Irish Parliament, is pronounced "Dall" or even "Doyle", it's not "Dial" like a clock.

@MilesianPaul

12 күн бұрын

it's impossible to write out irish pronunciations with english letters u just can't do it

Ira influenced indian revolutionaries they both joined hands in Hindu-german conspiracy, one indian revolutionary sachindranath Sanyal established Hindustan republican army

@Cinemallennials

28 күн бұрын

I think the 3rd President of India took part in the Easter Rising

@gopichand6640

28 күн бұрын

@@Cinemallennials no

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

28 күн бұрын

And were a complete failure as the IRA were.

Where did the IRA get its weapons and money. It sounded that they had their own taxes in the countryside; was that enough money.

@barryb90

28 күн бұрын

United States. Germany during the 1916 Rising (Irish Citizen Army and Irish Republican Brotherhood).

@danreed7889

28 күн бұрын

@@barryb90 thanks, insurgencies always to have a outside source to be successful.

@cobbler9113

28 күн бұрын

Some of their weapons were left over from German gun running and smuggling prior to and during WW1 I believe. They were also able to capture a lot of British weapons and ammunition on their raids of military and police barracks. However, as explained in the video, this was not a sustainable solution.

@willempasterkamp862

28 күн бұрын

@@cobbler9113 they sold illegal spirituals in the US to make money

@Celtic2Realms

28 күн бұрын

They purchased weapons in Italy in 1919 to 1921 and smuggled them into Ireland in cargo ships

Sinn Fein did not directly have any involvement in the Easter rising, rather some of its newer members such as deValera and Collins were previously apart of the Easter rising. The rising was wrongly dubbed ‘Sinn Fein rising’ by British newspapers and this is what caused many to believe Sinn Fein had direct involvements in the rising. Their leader Arthur Griffith in 1916 was also arrested wrongly accused of being involved in the rising, in fact Sinn Fein founded by Griffith in 1906 was not founded on republican views that many who took part in the riding believed in, but instead was founded on the belief of a dual monarchy similar to the Austro-Hungarian empire.

@MarkHarrison733

10 күн бұрын

Sinn Fein was involved in the failed terrorist uprising.

one important part you left out was from around 1890 until 1916 the MAJORITY of irish citizens where happy with being in the empire and on the outbreak of war enlisted and fought, the citizens where spitting and jeering the irish rebels after their arrest the problems began after they where sentenced to death, context is important

@MarkHarrison733

16 күн бұрын

Ireland was never in the empire.

@rannenw6207

14 күн бұрын

I think the other is missing context here is that the Easter Uprising was during a time of war. Dublin, at this time, was also heavily controlled by the British Empire. I highly doubt every citizen of Dublin was out there, jeering at these men.

@MarkHarrison733

13 күн бұрын

@@rannenw6207 Ireland was not controlled by the British Empire, although it played a huge role in building it.

@whitetroutchannel

11 күн бұрын

@@rannenw6207 i didnt say every citizen, but do a bit of research and you'll find they where spat on by passers by on the street that day

@whitetroutchannel

11 күн бұрын

@@rannenw6207 i didnt say every citizen, but do a bit of research and you'll find they where spat on by passers by on the street that day

Because in the end, the UK wasn't willing to commit to the level of repression needed to quash the IRA. Michael Collins played it smart and gambled on that

@MarkHarrison733

21 күн бұрын

Collins betrayed Ireland.

@Irishman0855

21 күн бұрын

@@MarkHarrison733I agree

When talking about modern Ireland, one thing that needs to be mentioned was how a Protestant Irish Parliament successfully gained independence for Ireland between 1782 and 1800, during which time Catholics got most of their rights back, with most Irish people of different faiths uniting under the ideologies of either constitutionalism or Republicanism, with both in favour of varying degrees of Irish sovereignty/autonomy and increased personal rights. This independence ended when a failed Republican Revolution in 1798 led British prime minister William Pitt to intimidate and bribe the Irish Parliament into merging the Kingdom Ireland into the UK after an initial Union vote failed. Ireland’s Parliament was forced to merge with The British one (though the courts and civil service of Ireland remained separate, but nominally subject to Westminster from now on). People on both sides seem to have completely forgotten this chapter in Irish history, because Protestants and Catholics fighting together for an independent Irish Kingdom doesn’t fit anyone’s narrative, and yet it had a major impact on the island. Unionism, Republicanism and Constitutionalism all originate from the original Irish volunteers that used the opportunity of the American Revolution distracting Britain to revolt in 1782. This heralded the independence and has shaped all aspects of Irish politics ever since

@talideon

21 күн бұрын

Add to that the use of the Orange Order as a sectarian catspaw after 1798 to turn presbyterians against catholics. It was also an effective tool in neutering the lower classes. Previously to that, its membership had been mainly Anglican/CoI and centred in Cork and Dublin. A lot of the subsequent sectarian violence that cropped up in the subsequent two centuries can be tracked down to the creation of that false consciousness.

Why Britain Lost the Irish War of Independence ? well Michael Collins was my dads cousin (who lived in the EastEnd of London with us and one of his sisters) Mick came from around Clonakilty where Britains GPO Telephone operators were trained and Micks older sister was the telephone operator for Dublin Castle so Britain had no secrets Mick didnt know

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

27 күн бұрын

Except that this was rapidly realised and the security forces avoided the phones and mail. Collins was a moron, despite all the advantages Home Rule gave him his documents gave British intelligence an open book on the IRA

@hirepgym6913

27 күн бұрын

@@MrLorenzovanmatterho you better buy a prayer matt they are going up soon

@hirepgym6913

25 күн бұрын

@@MrLorenzovanmatterho Rubbish your not family you was not there and would not know, more blaney

@somefenian5123

23 күн бұрын

Collins was one of the earliest and most efficient adopters of guerilla warfare, plus his intelligence network totally outclassed uks and he assasinated many british spies, in what way was he an idiot?​@MrLorenzovanmatterho

@freebeerfordworkers

23 күн бұрын

That was at the beginning when Britain hoped the problem sort itself out peacefully. It might have done if that hero Dan Breen had not set out to murder policemen to start a war and everything went downhill from there. When they realised they were going to have to do something, to quote Professor Lee of Cork University, General Tudor looked into the administration and weeded out the IRA informers.

Could have just asked how dail is pronounced

It's time for the British to let go of northern Ireland.

@Burritodude227

24 күн бұрын

It would be difficult as it has a lot of unionists (ppl who want to stay with Britain) and it is funded much more than what Ireland would be able to handle rn

@alynwillams4297

23 күн бұрын

It then opens up the case for an independent Scotland and if that’s achieved Wales would follow suit as they’d otherwise be outnumbered and outvoted by a nation next door who both have different political and cultural values along with different needs.

@justonecornetto80

23 күн бұрын

Why? The majority of its population want to remain part of the UK.

Too many ads. Ruins your video.

Didn't you cover this topic last year?

@nicholasevangelos5443

28 күн бұрын

did they? someone link please

@freebeerfordworkers

28 күн бұрын

yes he did this is a rehash it must have got a lot of hits

@paulwalsh598

28 күн бұрын

I think the topic covered last year was the Civil War.

There were no winners here.

So the only places where there was mild open social support for the British were the ones that stayed in the UK? Sounds like there's a lot of untold story of british neglect and influence by foreign agents.

@MrLorenzovanmatterho

27 күн бұрын

No, it sounds like Unionists wanted to remain free.

its almost impossible to win guerilla warfare USS, USSR, British (they won 1)- Afghanistan USA, China- Vietnam Rome- Germany Carthage- Rome Maratha- Mughals And so on

RIC, not IRC

Btw the Dáil (Irish parliament) is pronounced "doil"

As someone of English/Irish descent, trying to learn more about my heritage. This'll be fun!