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@xvexical842

2 жыл бұрын

Keep pushing for 1 million!!!

@ItsShaz1

2 жыл бұрын

:)

@fairyzquad6343

2 жыл бұрын

Guys please watch Eden’s zero it’s on Netflix and it’s short right now, do it before season 2 please

That last scene is so freaking epic. This series was wayyy better than anyone could have expected for an adaptation. Can't wait for next season

@payko5262

2 жыл бұрын

False. I knew this shit was gonna be dope 🤣

@Dannydarko27

2 жыл бұрын

@@payko5262 lol man I knew it was gonna be dope but it was beyond that. Surpassed my expectations so well. Cant wait for next season

@FrostyTheSnowPickle

Жыл бұрын

BUT THEY INTRODUCED THE CONCLAVE BEFORE KAYLIE OR KYNAN!

As to the gun: they said in the behind the scenes that the entire season they made sure that he reloaded every six shots. The only time that doesn’t happen is during this final battle when the demon takes control. The implication being that the demon is reloading as they go and/or is charging the very gun itself.

@theanyktos

2 жыл бұрын

He also puts 7 bullets into Stonefell in the prison. Again, Orthax at work.

When Orthax takes over, Percy actually switches from using his left to his right hand. Just a wonderful detail to further show who is in control in those moments.

@VegetaLF7

2 жыл бұрын

It's also worth noting that throughout the show Percy is always very carefully shown to be only capable of firing six shots before needing to reload when firing normally. He only has six barrels and after those are fired he has to use one of his speed loaders to reload in order to continue fighting. But whenever Orthax takes over, suddenly he isn't limited to six shots (first seen when Percy executes Stonefell, he fires *seven* in one volley). He stops shooting bullets and starts firing magical blasts as Orthax provides the ammunition in these settings. Percy doesn't reload at all during the Orthax battle in this episode.

@smmazz9

2 жыл бұрын

@@VegetaLF7 That's right! All these little details are fantastic!

Percy's voice actor is STILL mad at Scanlan's voice actor for throwing his cursed gun in the acid.

@VegetaLF7

2 жыл бұрын

And with good reason. While Percy does eventually build/acquire replacement guns (he still has Bad News and we see him building Retort at the end), none of them ever approach the same level of damage and value that the List reached. To my memory Retort is just a gun with no magical effects while the List had two enchanted barrels to do magical damage, one fire and one ice.

@mgormley7530

2 жыл бұрын

It was so expensive...

@AshtonMonitor

2 жыл бұрын

@@VegetaLF7 yep, and even Animus didn’t have the enchantments

@JohnYoo39

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they could eventually have got Allura etc. to disenchant/remove the curse, but Scanlan straight up destroy it.

@hotfrenchbread7059

2 жыл бұрын

It would be like throwing a wizards spell book in acid. So much money and time down the drain. Sure it was a little cursed but... all that gold...

In regards to Rick's comments about the characters being pretty basic archetypes, this is actually a common comment/criticism of campaign 1 compared to campaign 2 and campaign 3. All of the cast really seemed to push themselves to make more original/unique character concepts in later campaigns. I actually very much agree with this, as while I love Vox Machina, The Mighty Nien and (thus far) Bells Hells are way more interesting as a whole. That said, I don't fault them for going with more basic archetypes for Vox Machina. As an important point to remember, they started as characters in a one-shot for Liam's (Vax's player) birthday that then became a normal D&D home game that only even later became the streamed show we know. At the time as well, most of them were new to D&D, and thus it makes sense why they went with more "safe" character concepts. It also makes sense then why Percy, whose player Taliesin had played D&D a lot in the past prior to that campaign, is a bit more complicated than the others. The way the characters are in campaign 1 is very much indicative of these origins.

@uzielmartinez203

2 жыл бұрын

Personally i like vox machina the best. Maybe its just me, cuz i don't mind archetypes.

@khellendross3573

2 жыл бұрын

@@uzielmartinez203 yea I think at its core D&D is about archetypes. Its the story you build around it that matters and at the end of the day I think Vox Machina's story was far more epic. Campaign 2 is great for its own reasons though. But I still think Campaign 1 is overall my favorite.

@danielledaniel1900

2 жыл бұрын

Campaign was my favorite. 2 was OK and 3 little better then 2

@Kaiso54

2 жыл бұрын

Complexity of character is one thing, what you do with it is another ; like a very simple dish cooked to perfection with just the right seasoning. The best example of that is Grog. Super stereotypical dumb brute, and yet he's the source of a metric shit ton of highlights in the first campaign. Travis is a comedic genius, and plays stupidity with great intelligence.

@thelazygamer1639

2 жыл бұрын

Laudna is definitely unique. Lol

Funny that Eric says ‘Hell of a way to end a session…’ because that’s exactly what happened in the stream.

@TheGirlonfire25

2 жыл бұрын

21 misses???

@TheBloodypimp

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGirlonfire25 19 misses... if you're thinking about the travis miss. ^_^ when he "scolds" vex and scanlan i think for not paying attention. ^_^

@TheJerbol

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBloodypimp no, when he attacks a dragon

@TheBloodypimp

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJerbol he attacks the dragon.... 19 misses surprised pikaciu face.. .. and laura and sam were talking so he turn to her and said did you hear that???? 19 misses..... sooo yeah. Technically we are both right. Isn't that wonderful?

It is like a cult. They blindly follow Vecna (the whispered one) like cult members do. She made a pact to save her loved one. They spend years serving the whispered one and, with time, like Vader, they became more and more evil. It's a path with no return. That is actually what this last episode was about, Percy was on the edge, like Anakin was, like Delilah was.

@flotilha935

2 жыл бұрын

não esperava ver vc por aqui kkkk

@wardrawk

2 жыл бұрын

AAAAAAE, mais uma vez te encontrando em vídeos de reação kkkkk

@fluffykracker1619

2 жыл бұрын

All a god is, really, is a cult with a franchise. -Caduceus Clay

@VegetaLF7

2 жыл бұрын

@@fluffykracker1619 Easily one of my favorite quotes from the quote machine himself, Taliesin Jaffe.

Taliesin, aka Percy, never quite over the lost of that gun. Because it was a magical weapon with two elements enchanted. But it was cursed, so it was better in the long run.

@Zombiewithabowtie

2 жыл бұрын

I believe Matt later said that a Greater Restoration spell would have also broken the curse, and wouldn't have destroyed the gun in the process... Which probably cemented Taliesin's aggravation for the rest of time.

Everytime Delilah has her monologue "... Titans will rise!.." I get the chills everytime.

@hawkname1234

2 жыл бұрын

Pray for 5 seasons!

@jonatassilva2605

Жыл бұрын

@@hawkname1234 I have no idea how they can do it. Chroma needs AT LEAST 2 seasons. Taryon/clean up and Vecna can be done in 1. But Chroma is just so big, that I don't envy the writters deciding what can be cut.

@user-jt1js5mr3f

10 ай бұрын

So far, so good@@jonatassilva2605

I kiiinda get what Aaron is saying, we don't see whether or not Delilah had a sadistic evil streak in her before the Whispered One stepped in, but I think the motivations of the Briarwoods are fairly well laid-out. And the motivations of the Whispered One are intentionally mysterious. But she does almost literally say, "We did everything you asked, now give me what I want." I don't know, maybe prior knowledge of how pacts generally work in fantasy settings is filling in holes that I didn't even realize were there.

@Jail4minD

2 жыл бұрын

Aaron, I am pretty sure that if u gonna get more info on briarwoods maybe is gonna be on 3rd season.. I'd they even make a mention of it. We get a lot more info from interviews and talks with Matt and Taislin. Delilah made a deal to get Silas back, the price was to find the zigurate and perform a ritual to bring "whispered one" (vena ) back. They got info that zigurate was in whitestone, si they went there an tortured everyone to find were the zigurate was hidden.. and from there u see the rest.

@raymondparisza5094

2 жыл бұрын

Delilah was a necromancer. That's how she found Vecna(whispered one) Necromancers aren't nice people

@morgathing

2 жыл бұрын

Delilah was a member of the Cerberus Assembly before she joined the whispered one so I just assumed she was always an asshole.

@calvinjohnson6242

2 жыл бұрын

Aaron’s criticism was odd, and the other three clearly understood it better than him. I don’t think we need to worry about it.

@lordfoul6259

2 жыл бұрын

I understood the motivations of the Briarwoods pretty well from that one flashback like the others said Delilah was almost like Vader going down a dark path to save the one she loved

As someone who has never watched CR or played DnD, this got me. As an Invincible fan, this got me. I loved it! Because of this show, I am now playing in my very first campaign and I am like 35 episodes into the original Geek & Sundry stream. I am fully converted into a critter!

@csgamer89

2 жыл бұрын

ONE OF US! ONE OF US! :P

@MrBitz-om9vo

Жыл бұрын

So happy to hear that!!! How are you enjoying it so far?

5:50 Well to note he took 7 shots without reloading in episode 6 when he killed Stonefell. Basically hinting that when he's in smoke mode he doesn't need to reload.

@mckenzie.latham91

Жыл бұрын

When the demon is in control he doesn't relaid because it’s the demon charging the gun itself i think they mentioned that in behind the scenes that when Percy is normal, they show him reloading, but when the demon part takes over, the gun doesn’t;t need to be reloaded because the demon is powering it.

"And there are four dragons coming.... see you next week!" I didn't watch the first campaign, but that absolutely sounds like something Matt would do 😂

@kavitiko335

2 жыл бұрын

I did watch the first campaign, and the session wrapped up with ~30 minutes of "He rolled a what?" "What do you mean a 22 doesn't hit?" "A 21 FAILS?" "We're fucked." It was very Matt, and very spectacular.

@n4l9bx

2 жыл бұрын

I remember the panic and disbelief. Hmm, sweet despair XD

@bcn1gh7h4wk

2 жыл бұрын

more like "You look over there, and there's a dragon dropping on the roof. Over there, another dragon drops. And another one over there.... and then you hear *WWWRRAAAAAAAAAAGH!* and you see another dragon drop down." "We're fucked." "And that's where we gonna end." "WWWHAT!?"

Percy is left handed. Orthax is right handed. When Percy shoots, he only has 6 shots before reloading. Orthax does not need to reload. Percy forcing Orthax to shoot his left hand proved to Orthax that Percy cared more about forgiving Delilah than his own ability to shoot, breaking the vengeance possession. It also gave them an excuse for him to build something new on his hand...

In the campaign, the whole scene with them getting rid of the gun was hilarious

14:13 not gonna spoil specifics because it's likely they're going to open season 2 with a version of what went down, but in the actual session the way this scene played out really, REALLY hammered home to the players that "guys...you're F U C K E D"

@theheriticanthum

2 жыл бұрын

21 doesn't hit?!?!

@ArcherWillows

2 жыл бұрын

22 MISSES???

@MrBitz-om9vo

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcherWillows my favorite moment in the whole campaign I've never felt so much dread

Pike caved in and bought a copy of Tusk Love at the end.

14:15 yes, it was pretty much like that, "And 4 ANCIENT dragons attack, what do you do?" lol

Because of the animated series I went and watched the critical role vox machina campaign and holly shit was it amazing. I was not expecting such an emotional roller coaster. If the whole campaign gets animated it will be just epic.

@shadowcat1606

2 жыл бұрын

I envy the amount of free time you have to spare if you can just casually watch roughly 450 hours of CR.

@danielvanpatten5815

2 жыл бұрын

I did podcasts while driving and it took me about 2 years.

@levindeed

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadowcat1606 in 2 months!

@shadowcat1606

2 жыл бұрын

@@levindeed My point exactly!

@randalladkins7452

2 жыл бұрын

@@levindeed did the same during summer right before campaign 2 started after starting with campaign 1 finale!

I felt the Briarwoods' backstory was pretty straightforward and easy to understand to be honest. I don't think they were meant to be the villains who see themselves as the heroes or that their fall is necessarily meant to be this tragic event like Darth Vader. When I listened to Aaron's argument I felt like he in the end just wanted to sympathize with the Briarwoods because he felt their backstory was sad, but then when he saw how terrible they were he just couldn't and felt they should have just been villains and we didn't need that backstory. The way I saw it was the backstory was meant to show us how they got there. It's not necessarily meant for us to sympathize with them but understand why they are doing all of this. The Briarwoods taking enjoyment for the terrible things they have done doesn't really clash with how they started for me. Real people can love other people and still do terrible things or be selfish. It might make their story stronger for me. The Briarwoods aren't kidding themselves into thinking they are doing this for a greater good or are the real victims of their actions. They know they are doing bad but are not only accepting this is their price to pay for the husband's survival and have taken joy in it. They are terrible people who love each other but were sadistic and selfish. For me that painted the picture of who they were. It didn't make them lesser to me.

@WolforNuva

2 жыл бұрын

Precisely, not every villain backstory needs to make them sympathetic, all it needs to do is help us understand them as characters. Delilah wanted something bad enough that she was willing to make a deal with a terrible entity to make it happen. You don't get that deep into dark magic and attempt to return one of the most dangerous undead monsters the world has seen without knowing what you're doing. She just didn't care.

@haku8135

2 жыл бұрын

Only an idiot things the villain MUST be a one dimensional mindless murder drone. Delilah and Sylas LOVE one another deeply and forever, to the exclusion of all others which includes murdering everyone else if it'll preserve one another. That is their primary motivation, to stay together, and serving Vecna is the best way to not die in their eyes. So doing all this evil shit is acceptable.

@mckenzie.latham91

Жыл бұрын

i think the motivations for what Deliah did was ysmaptehtc, she loved her husband so much she couldn’t stand for him to die and be left alone the issue is that the path they chose to keep themselves alive and together was at great cost to others it’s also hinted that both Silas and Deliah because of their use of dark magic lost there souls and or who they were the same way Percy was almost corrupted by the Demon fully what they were is no longer who they are, their humanity was draned/surrendered a long time ago there is sympathy in the idea that they shattered the world for their love but we still have to acknowledge that they hurt a lot of people to do so the fact that their current selves take joy or don’t care is only a sign of what they gave up for themselves they are a cautionary tale about faustian bargins and or when you are so obsessed with yourselves that you don’t care or think of others

The Briarwoods aren't supposed to be redeemable by any means. Their undying love which would push them to do anything is supposed to humanize them to an extent to get you to understand their motives. They are the kind of characters you are supposed to have fun in their dark romance while still wanting to see their failure

@mckenzie.latham91

Жыл бұрын

They’re characters that stand as a caution to others their motivations and desires, to stay together and to save the other from death is something we can relate to but the path and methods they use are where we differ they’re the example of what happens when you sell out everything, be it friends, family, your very soul and humanity for selfish or personal reasons Deliah is a counter point to Percy Deliah would shatter the world to get what she wants, even if means corrupting her very soul and humanity to do so Percy’s revenge was not worth his soul, not worth his friends lives to get his revenge he is the antithesis to deliah

The way I see it, and keep in mind I do know what’s going to happen more or less because of the stream, that scene has 3 purposes. 1: fan service for stream fans 2: hinting at the fact that Delilah and Silas owe a debt *and* showing that despite the previous encounters Delilah Briarwood is at the wheel not Silas 3: stuff that will become clear in later seasons should we get them.

If I recall, they never really fought Percy in the game, they managed to split the demon Orthax from Percy, so the entire gang was fighting the demon instead of fighting Percy.

@Zombiewithabowtie

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Percy made a Nat 20 WIS save, which not only prevented Orthax from taking over but actively expelled it from his body.

@thelazygamer1639

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like for drama reasons, Percy struggling is both more emotional and also something to overcome for him personally.

@gamerbear84

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelazygamer1639 Yeah, this version felt like way better storytelling than the conflict being immediately externalized.

@n4l9bx

2 жыл бұрын

@@gamerbear84 The Power of Adaptation :P

@n4l9bx

2 жыл бұрын

@@Squeekysquid this way was way more dramatic/poetic, they'd be idiots not to go for it 😄

The whole dragon moment and what happens after was terrifying, can’t wait to see them capture that

No... the Troll dick is an actual item they had hidden away in the bag of holding... and I believe they did got it from Bymscythe. But we didn't see that since it was pre-stream

@NothingKingKN

2 жыл бұрын

The Troll Dick was something that Tiberius cut off from a troll even earlier in the campaign that then became an inside-joke.

@theirishviking9278

2 жыл бұрын

by stream 1 the troll dick had apparently turned into some gloop that they traded for something

@JulianCommodus

2 жыл бұрын

@@NothingKingKN Nope. Tiberius was almost nailed by two of them when he turned himself into a female troll, not knowing how trolls generally have a one track mind when around females. Vex shot off one troll's banger and Percy shot off the other; Grog took the one Vex shot off as a trophy.

@NothingKingKN

2 жыл бұрын

@@JulianCommodus Thank you. My recollection was off

@JulianCommodus

2 жыл бұрын

@@NothingKingKN So were the trolls' peckers.

As other comments have mentioned, I am quite confused about Aaron's gripes/confusion with the Briarwoods' backstory (17:50 - 28:15). I haven't seen C1 but I definitely think the show told me enough about the Briarwoods and their motivations.

@P99s-s

2 жыл бұрын

From what I remember from c1, we got less in the campaign at this point, only later did we figure out a bit more on their backstory, their connection to rippley and where they are from

@AnxietyRat

5 ай бұрын

​@@P99s-s yeah, Matt went into the briarwood's backstory during the campaign one wrap up episode at the very VERY end of the campaign. The players never really knew anything about the briarwood's backstory other than what they did to Percys' family and Whitestone as a city... And obviously throughout the campaign they learned that Delilah and Silas love each other DEEPLY .... But they pretty much had zero backstory to go on. It's kind of really really cool that the animated show was able to touch on their backstory and actually show some of it instead of Matt just explaining it quickly at the very end during a Q&A.

Delilah went to any depth to save Sylas. In doing so she contacted The Whispered One, which in turn made them servants to The Whispered One, who we do not know they're motives yet.

@MmeHyraelle

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't delilah in her evil speech talked about titans roaming the earth? I forgot the quote already, but she inferred it ;)

@hhylobates4098

2 жыл бұрын

@@MmeHyraelle Yep "Cities will fall, titans will rise"

Delilah's motivation was literally: I love my husband so much I would sell my and everyone else's soul for him. That's really all you need. You're not supposed to cheer for her victory, but you are definitely supposed to see her as a tragic villain. She's a monster, but she's a relatable one for a lot of people who have lost people they love. It's a faustian bargain. You're not supposed to like her before the fall. You really have no idea how good or bad of a person she was prior to the deal she made. She bargained with dark forces for the love of one person. Does it matter if she used to be a good woman when she's hanging people on the Sun Tree? She's obviously not anymore. I find it hilarious that you invoked Darth Vader and the prequels that explained his origin. The explanations were completely unnecessary. Darth Vader was an amazing villain without anyone knowing all that dumb youngling garbage. We can see at the end of Jedi that he is a broken man who chose evil and it corrupted him into a robotic killing machine. What more do you need? I feel like Eric is the only one who understands the idea of "an old story well told". Not everything has to have a gimmick or a goofy anime twist. Sometimes you just want to see a tale that has good characters, good action, good emotional moments, etc.

@mckenzie.latham91

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, her motivations to save her husband and love are sympathetic and tragic but the fact is they made the deal, and surrendered their humanity and souls for selfish reasons, even if it was for love we don’t have to cheer for them but we do understand how they came to this point and why and it's more than “we’re bad and that’s why” it was something deeper than that.

Percy put his hand over the barrel, put his body between Delilah and the demon, and shed his own blood to save her from it. It's the ultimate expression of him letting go of his hate and desire for revenge. THAT'S what drove the demon out.

From it being just a One shot for Vax's birthday (Liam O'Brian) to the stream, then Liam running it for his kids

@Luinta

2 жыл бұрын

Is it weird that I kina wanna go back in time and show them even just the trailer for the show after that first one-shot and see their minds melt? Like how crazy is it that it has evolved so far from there?

Regarding the issues around the (in)completeness of the Briarwood backstory: Delilah was an extremely powerful necromancer in direct service to a powerful, extra-planer, undead entity. An entity that now has a completely unresolved spinning orb of death under Whitestone. That doesn't exactly sound like a wrapped up story line, does it?

I like Aaron, but I couldn't even for a second understand what point he was trying to make. No clue what his problem was. The motivations of both Briarwoods seemed pretty clear to me, especially Delilah.

@sojtus8681

2 жыл бұрын

I think in a nutshell, it´s that the flashback would have been a lot more impactful had it encompassed longer period of time both prior and post what we got. Like, show flashbacks who they were before, how they met, how in love they were and then how the deal changed them. The flasback in it´s current form was mainly a fanservice for the cr fans. From storytelling perspective it was kinda lucking. All the info you got from that was something you would have pick up from context clues from Delilah simply talking anyway. So as far as lore goes, nothing much would have been lost had the flashback not been there at all. And it also wasn´t long enough to make the viewer invested in their relationship, so the very cliche "deal with the devil for love" wasn´t particularly impactful.

@ShizukiShirano

2 жыл бұрын

@@sojtus8681 Correct!

@anathem9982

2 жыл бұрын

@@sojtus8681 It tells us that they weren't always followers of the Whispered One. In a moment of need to save her husband, she received a sign to find this cabin in the woods. The Whispered One then saved her husband, then took them under his wing under the promise of more rewards. It also shows us that she was willing to do anything to save Sylas, which I like because I feel like there's a lot of evil married couples in fiction who would be willing to betray each other at a moment's notice

@amodelmannequin

2 жыл бұрын

@@anathem9982 I disagree, I don't think the flashback shows that she'd be willing to do anything. She cuts her arm and reads from a book. There is no indication that Delilah actually knows what The Whispered One will require of her in the future. So all we know she was willing to do was go for a jog and read lol

@SaraTiggs

2 жыл бұрын

Well, they could literally spend a whole episode on Delilah's backstory of how she was in the Cerberus Assembly. Her prowess with magic and her wherewithal of necromantic magic in particular. She wasn't a good person prior to finding The Whispered One. Think of all the secrets and potential back-stabbing of the Cerberus Assembly in Campaign 2. They aren't nice people.

On the subject of waiting for Percy to reload, the creators said in a commentary stream that they were actually very careful to count the number of bullets Percy was using and keep it realistic and limited...until Percy goes fully possessed . Then they just went ham because Orthax (the demon) was providing him more power. (If i remember correctly, they also referred to Percy's various level of possession by spiciness, which I thought was funny. Ghost Pepper Percy has unlimited ammo)

You guys mentioned Percy not running out of ammo this episode, and I wanted to point something out. Percy's gun is very clearly an experimental weapon, if you count how many times his gun doesn't work or just straight breaks during combat, its very clear this thing is an absolute mess that works maybe 2/3 of the time at BEST. The only time there is an exception to that rule, where his gun works damn near flawlessly for a full/multiple reloads, is when he is smoking. and it all becomes clear why here right at the end. That creature gave him the design for that gun, and through percy can manipulate it to work a *bit* better than it should otherwise. Hence, the "I have 57 more rounds in this 6 round magazine" type moment. All of this to say, this is a showcase of why percy's gun breaks so often, even during the game this is based off of. Cause if it didn't he would be ABSOLUTELY TERRIFYINGLY BROKEN

"disgusting dirt and spit, turn into some healing shit" turns out to be the healing word YEP

up until now I had the impression that they were all enjoying the show quite a bit, but now after the discussion after this episode, I'm real curious to see where it lands on their TV show ranking tonight...

@anathem9982

2 жыл бұрын

well then, there were certainly......opinions 👀

In the twitch watch party, they said that had considered adding another flashback where the Briarwoods tried to just do their own thing, but the Whispered One reminded them that Sylas was living on his say so, and unless they keep their side of the bargain he would take his gift away.

As for the final moment in the battle with Orthax: Percy half-snapped out of Orthax's control and used his left hand to cover the barrel and grab the gun. That's when he says, "I won't let you". Orthax still had control of the left hand and fired. The pain then fully snapped Percy out of his control, so Orthax went and hid in the gun. Took someone else and watching it ten times to notice.

They did such a good job with this season. And knowing what happens with the next story arc, and all the character development that goes with it, I have no idea how they're going to cram everything into twelve episodes.

@frostdragon7135

2 жыл бұрын

I hope they don’t try to cram the whole next arc into season 2. It would be much better split up into multiple seasons. Although since they don’t know if they will be getting a season 3 or not I’m afraid that they might try.

@VegetaLF7

2 жыл бұрын

@@frostdragon7135 Assuming they can get more seasons, the Conclave would work best as at least two full seasons, with the certain other villain getting the last season to himself.

@iainemackay5681

2 жыл бұрын

I think they'll try to dedicate season 2 to the finding of the stuff they need and 3 to the end of the conclave and then finish off strong in 4 with the big bad

Some background info on the Briarwoods (some very light spoilers for the CR livestream): Most of the information we have on their history is hinted at more than explained outright at different times over the livestream. In campaign 2 we learn more about the order of mages in which Delilah was a prominent member before she was expelled for turning Silas into a vampire. Some of the other wizards in the order are pretty severely awful so it says something about Delilah's character that she was a member and that she was kicked out of this pretty shady group. Likely she was always more interested in power than in morality and having lost her home and her position it makes sense that she would turn to the source of power that had saved her husband. The whispered one would have been guiding her and promising her safety and security for her and Silas and she was willing to do anything to have that again. We know almost nothing about Silas. As far as we know he was actually a relatively decent guy prior to becoming a vampire. His only focus in life (and undeath) seems to have been loving and supporting his wife in all things. The impression I've gotten from Matt's explanation of Silas is that he may even have been a good guy if not for Vecna, Delilah and the curse of vampirism.

And thus we enter into the arc of the Chroma Conclave.

To Aaron’s point there was a scene that was cut. The scene in question was of Delilah and Silas refusing The Whispered one’s orders and he treated to take the gift of Vampirism away from Silas

@CrownofMischief

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think they said it was due to pacing/not enough time to do include it. In the end, it was deemed unessential to the overall plot

Just a quick point, Brimscythe, the dragon that slew garrisons of soldiers and nearly spelled the end of our heroes, was at most an Adult Blue Dragon, but in all likelihood still an adolescent. Of the four that are currently closing in on the Cloudtop, three are *ANCIENT* Dragons, with the fourth being even older, and dragons get *SIGNIFICANTLY* more powerful with age.

@VegetaLF7

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Vox Machina basically beat up the Conclave's intern, now they're facing the actual members.

As a critical role fan, I sort of feel like I'm getting away with something. I knew i would love the show unconditionally, (similar to Eric and Star Wars) but I wanted people outside the fandom to enjoy it as well. It really feels like they wanted to replicate the feeling of the stream, which is great for me, but a little jarring for the general audience. If this show was successful, hopefully that will inspire more fantasy and maybe even sci-fi creators to get into adult animation. That would be awesome!

@estoy1001

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the stream is sometimes a little jarring. A certain cliff dive comes to mind, for instance.

@WingTzu343

2 жыл бұрын

@@estoy1001 "We're basically gods"

@razgriz2276

2 жыл бұрын

6 Seasons and a Movie!

@ChaosMind10531

2 жыл бұрын

@@estoy1001 to be more precise... It has an impact...

@patrickmcisaac3142

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of reactors I've seen are pretty impressed with it even if they don't know CR, and a good amount of the people I know at least enjoyed it, even if they didn't geek out like I did

The reason that Orthax(revenge demon) left when Percy shot himself is because it was an act of self-sacrifice. Orthax is fueled by Revenge and Self-Sacrifice for one who wronged you is basically the exact opposite of that.

Jarrett: "Vox Machina! Uriel has summoned you to the Cloudtop." Critters who have seen the end of the Briarwood Arc: *PANIK*

@patrickmcisaac3142

2 жыл бұрын

I love the reactions combinations of fans/nonfans because the fan is like "HOLY SHIT" and the non-fan is like like "wth is wrong with you??"

As a Critical Role fan I loved it. The show also served as a way for a number of my friends to experience CR who were put off / overwhelmed at the sheer amount of content in a single episode let alone the whole campaign of CR in its original format. It was exciting to see most of them enjoy the show with no prior knowledge while I geeked out on some inside jokes and Easter eggs.

Still waiting on that season 2 reaction 😁 They really went all out with it.

They don't go too deep into it, but Sovereign Uriel actually does have a history of being mind controlled in the campaign. So it makes a lot more sense as to why he'd be willing to completely abdicate. And yeah, Dragon Time :) Fun fact, the first episode of Critical Role I'd ever seen was the final fight of this arc (no spoilers of course). I had no idea what was going on, just the people were rolling dice and shit was going down.

You need to be paying NO attention to not understand the Briarwood's motivations. They are evil, because they serve the Whispered One. Sylas was dying, and nobody could save him. Delilah found the Whispered One and he's like "Hey, I can save him. You serve me, I save him" And Delilah's sole motivation is her husband. It's VERY clear even if you're only watching this and you've never seen a single episode of Critical Role. So being evil is just a byproduct of getting what they want. They want to be together forever, Vecna will do that if they serve him, therefore they serve him. Everything they DO is Vecna's plan, all this Whitestone stuff is HIS plan, they are doing this ritual because he told them to, and she said "We did everything you said" and she just wants Sylas back, but then the ritual fails. Her ONLY desire is to be with Sylas, and his desire is to be with her. They're NOT complicated. If the Dawnfather had saved Sylas they'd probably be virtuous paladins. Any price is acceptable so long as they get what they want. The reason you get this backstory is so you can see WHY they follow Vecna, because he gives them what they want. Without it you'd just be like "Oh they're JUST evil, for no reason. I dunno." Knowing their motivations is necessary to understand them. A bland, one dimensional villain that is evil just because isn't very compelling. Even Vecna isn't just being evil for shits and giggles, he has motivations too.

@JoshSweetvale

Жыл бұрын

And the Professor, well, it's spelled out. Evvy and ego. Stonefell's just a sadist who got to cut loose.

Curious to know if you will be doing season 2? It's been out nearly 5 months now

After watching The Legend of Vox Machina, I enjoyed the performances of the cast, along with the animation and the funny moments (especially the DOORS). Also I think maybe the writers wanted to show how amazing Grey DeLisle is at voicing villains in this episode because Delilah got to say something really menacing before she got killed. Anyway, I can't wait for season 2, and giving a shoutout to the Critical Role crew and all the great voice actors!

It's definitely both for the longterm fans and for new people. Which is _not_ easy to pull off, but I think the did a great job of it.

During the Briarwood flashback, there are unintelligible whispers in the background. They seem to be telling Delilah to find the book, so probably told her where it was. The Whispered One found a powerful wizard who was desperate and used her to get him onto this plane, using the instruction book he led her to.

According to the Critical Role livestream watches there were plans for more Briarwood backstory, but they couldn't fit them in the timeframe. I think there was enough to explain their motivations but some more might have helped for some people I guess.

You've meet the Iron Storm. I Can't wait for you guys to meet, the Hope Devourer, the Frigid Doom, the Diseased Deceiver, and the Cinder King

"And there's 4 dragons coming, see you next week" That's exactly what happened in the last 30 minutes of the session where they showed up 😂

@VegetaLF7

2 жыл бұрын

Well that and the iconic "19 misses" and Travis just blue screening when he hears that.

When it comes to them being traditional archetypes, the reason why that is is due to the fact that this campaign was the first time playing dnd for most of the players. If I'm correct, the only ones who had played before were the DM and Percy's player. So most of the other players wanted to make archetypal characters so they could role-play them easily and learn how to play the game. Them being actors made it really easy to do the role-playing and also to add more depth to the archetypal characters in the campaign, but they were mostly going for safer options for characters for their first time playing and had no intentions of even streaming the game originally, much less making it into a show. So that's why they seem so archetypal, cuz they were designed to be that way. If you want to see more twists on archetypal characters and more interesting character stuff, I would recommend Campaign 2 and/or 3. After they mostly figured out how the game works while playing the 1st campaign, they made more interesting characters for the next campaigns and they're really good.

@AnxietyRat

5 ай бұрын

Technically Marisha and Liam both had also played D&D before... marisha got introduced to it when she started dating Matt so she only had a couple of years of knowledge... And Liam played back when he was in high school so it had been decades since he had last played. But yes, both Matt and Taliesin are the most experienced players at the table with decades of experience at that point. Their very first session Marisha didn't play at all because she was helping other people who had never played before learn the rules. So she definitely had a rudimentary level of experience enough so that she was able to help other people figure things out.... She then unfortunately decided to play a druid which is NOT a very easy class to play due to the sheer amount of spells you have access to... So yeah she did the best she could with the knowledge that she had while playing a more difficult class.... Which made her seem significantly significantly more inexperienced than she actually was... Due to the slip-ups and mistakes that she would make when casting.

Originally I watched this show first, not knowing what Critical Role was until I got about half way through and was curious on how the show was made. One rabbit hole drop later I discovered the Critical Role channel and now I’m such a huge fan. Just watching these voice actors put so much heart and fun into the characters they make and the story they experience is enough the fill my own heart with joy.

[no spoilers] As a Critical Role watcher, I think Aaron is both right and wrong. That flashback scene really did blue-ball everyone who wasn't in on it, because there is a little more story to the Briarwood's evil turn that they didn't include in this season, and the cold open was really short to actually give it the emotional weight it could have. So, in that sense, I completely understand how Aaron felt it could have showed a little more, or not showed anything at all. On the other hand, I think it was pretty clear that, in a moment of desperation, Delilah was seduced by whispered promises from an entity she didn't know or understand, and set her and Sylas on an evil path because she loves him. In her own words: "Sylas, I broke the world for us". She knows she's fucked up, but she doesn't care what happens to *literally* everyone, as long as she can be with Sylas forever. That's her only condition. In my personal opinion, I would've liked that flashback to have been longer so that the emotional impact hit harder. I also think they could've saved it for later in the series, but I understand that it's better to have it now rather than possibly get cancelled and not have the flashback at all.

@mckenzie.latham91

Жыл бұрын

I think they may be bringing back the Briarwoods in some form in another season where it may get flushed out more.

God I hope they watch season 2 soon, now that it's out. So much of an improvement atop this amazing first season

I'm trying to understand Aaron's point about the Briarwoods - was he saying that while the flashback told us *how* they got the way they are, it didn't adequately show what they were like beforehand, and thus it didn't have the impact it was aiming for? So since there wasn't the transition of character/behavior in the flashback, he'd rather they not have bothered with the flashback in the first place, and left them as straight villains? Is that what he was saying?

I started watching CR not very long after it first started and haven't really rewatched the Vox Machina stuff since they first live streamed C1, so coming back to something VM for the first time since, like, 2016, was pretty neat. Getting to remember what happened and see where the animation branches off.

the voice of Orthax is Matt Mercer

Announced today by prime video; There will be a Vox Machina panel at New York Comic Con on October 6th, with a sneak peak at season 2!!!! 🐲

Welcome the Chroma Conclave, the four remaining chromatic dragons. Their entrance to the story is truly epic.

I've been waiting for this! This is my favorite episode and I've been DYING to see your reaction to it!

The biggest reason for revealing the Briarwood Backstory that I'm surprised no one is mentioning: The end of those you hold most dear and whether you chose to become a monster or a hero over it is a major theme in this story. The entire, Vox Machina story.

Good discussion after the episode. The backstory of the main villains is included to point to the main tension of this story, of 2 Dark Paths travelled -- Percy's Vengeance and Delilah's Undead husband and Patron and battle against anything that might separate them -- and the Possibility of Redemption. Clues in the final episode point to this: Percy had to forgive Delilah to defeat his demon Orthax, but Delilah refused to give up her devotion to her Patron. These are Classic themes. In this telling it's the friends that help bring Percy back from the edge of total Darkness, but Delilah has only herself and her bitter disappointment at the end. Thanks. Have a good one!

The scene with the demon inside Percy’s mind was a premium example of the power of a good writer’s room in doing this adaptation. While a game like D&D can be a powerful tool for storytelling, there are some things you simply can’t do as powerfully as this. The writing of those scenes, working with the wonderful artistic direction, just leveled that aspect of the story way up. Similarly, scenes like being able to s e certain things from the villains’ perspectives, flashbacks, etc also showed the power of adaptation. I’m really pleased by the way this show is coming along. The original, Critical Role version was really great storytelling. There are some things I wished hadn’t had to be edited for time or whatever, but I think those are nitpicks. It’s not like those things don’t exist if you want to see the source material. Critical Role is there on the internet forever. This adaptation is taking that wondrous framework, and making it even better for the viewer of the animated format. To answer your question: The show has been very successful for Prime Video. It was the #1 show on the platform worldwide during the whole time of it’s release, and part of that time was also during the platform premier of Jack Reacher, which was much more widely promoted. The show seems to have a lot of pull internationally.

CR knows Chekov's advice that if you show something in act one, it has to eventually be used. There's nothing hanging around that won't eventually, be brought back. It may take 4 seasons, but it could all come back. According to Matt, Delilah was a wizard who had dabbled in necromancy. That library was her secret library of necromantic tomes which she had to keep hidden. When her husband was dying, she looked for any way to save him. She didn't care of the cost. The Whispered One accepted that bargain. It told her where to go to find a ziggurat she could use to bring him back. She was forced into the ritual five days too early. Did it work or not? You'll find out.

All of the questions about the Briarwoods will be answered. there is more to their history. The full campaign is like reading the book of Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter or Percy Jackson vs watching the movie version of it. There was a lot of detail that was left out just due to pacing and the nature of the game itself.

She finds that book because she hears the whispers of the Whispered One... listen to that scene. She follows the whispering lead out of desperation to bring Silas back.

rememebr the eyes in the dragons lair? Those were their eyes watching :)

Looking forward to seeing you watch the second season.

Awsome! Wonderful! I'm glad you guys enjoyed this series. As a critter I can't wait for season 2

I absolutely loved the first season. Although as a fan I was admittedly bound to be. I'm very happy you guys reacted to the show so thank you for that! From watching the original stream I know of a lot of fun and cool upcoming events and plot points for season 2 and hopefully beyond. Hope you guys enjoyed the show enough to check out the confirmed season 2 once it comes out! Cheers!

I forget where I heard it, but I do remember hearing that there was a deleted scene with the Briarwoods that was cut due to time constraints. Basically Delilah and Sylus went on living their life so the Whispered One let Delilah know that he gave Sylus vampirism and he can take it away again unless they do as he demands.

Yes!!! Finally, been waiting

Fun fact, part of why Euriel left power was that this wasn't the first time he was mind controlled (at least in the actual campaign) before we even got the stream they apparently saved him from being mind controlled by demons who posed as his family. He then had his crown enchanted to resist mind control which.... Got sabotaged by an ally of the briarwoods that was on the council (also mind controlled).

Here we go! Enter the Conclave!

A quiet level up between the dm and Percy in warlock. You could tell in the stream that Mercer and Tal had an agreement and let the other members figure it out.

Knowing how epic the Conclave is, the ending is SOOOOO hype.

Never pick up a magic sword whose INT is higher than your own, lol.

@VegetaLF7

2 жыл бұрын

In fairness most things have a higher INT score than Grog. Whenever he got polymorphed into a giant eagle, he actually *got smarter* than he normally was. He only has one point more than Trinket the bear.

Really seems like ya'll enjoyed this series. 30 minutes of discussion at the end! Thank you for reacting

@anathem9982

2 жыл бұрын

oh dear, I assume you didn't watch their TV show ranking where Rick wanted to place in D or E aha. it ended up in B tier as an average of all of their individual rankings

@BrandonBrenlla

Жыл бұрын

@@anathem9982 Rick just isn't the biggest Critical Role fan

"its better to have more minds because you cant control them all" me-laughs in illithid

FWIW, I play D&D/Pathfinder in two groups, and not all of the people I play with are CR fans, but they did watch this series, because it has its roots in DnD. it didn't convert them to CR fans/watchers because it's a heck of a lot of media to consume and they're busy people, but they did enjoy it and would watch a 2nd season. so in that respect, the show worked for them

"that'd be a hell of a way to end a session" thats exactly how it happened

@VegetaLF7

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was a powerful moment in the stream, easily one of the best cliffhanger endings Matt gave us across the campaign.

I'd never watched anything CR related prior to seeing the show and I enjoyed it a great deal. I then went back and watched campaign one and enjoyed that as much or more.

Aaron arguing just for the sake of it once again 🤣

Season 2 trailer and release date just dropped! Coming this January!

Rick: "Can it be a tree of woe?" ... dammit Rick, now you got me pondering that image.

Highly recommend looking up the scene where Scanlan gets Percy's pact weapon away from him, it's amazing. Poor nameless guard didnt roll a nat 20 on their save against the spinning ball of death, sorry dude. So excited for the chroma conclave! Hopefully it gets 2 seasons, since it's twice as long as the briarwood arc

If you're wondering, the Conclave arc is the real meat of Campaign 1, and it'll be amazing to see play out animated. There will be tears aplenty. Also, this invasion scene? Just as terror inducing for the cast when it happened to them live.

To let everyone know. The show was in the top 10 in America on Amazon for like 4 weeks straight. I watch a lot of reactors and all of them have just liked it they loved it. It is get 4-5 star rating on Amazon. Rotten tomatoes months later still has it as 100% critic reviews and 93% audience reviews.

I feel like by not wanting to make assumptions and read between the lines, the guy on the right want a story without any subtlety at all. The more he talks, the more I hear "I don't want to think for myself or conenct the dots, I want people to tell me what I'm supposed to think"

14:14 It ended even better than that -- the players/PCs were very much caught off guard, to say the least. ;) (See: Critical Role Campaign 1 ep 39, from time index 3:24:00 onwards)

The whole briarwood thing I believe is a little bit of a reflection of the game mechanics. I believe all of the power they were using was given to them through the whispered one. Which would mean sylas life is tied to it aswell

Welcome to the Chroma Conclave!