"I don't want to say idiot-proof because the world has a way of making great idiots." Classic Nick.

Well done Nick. I agree the base should be included lol! All things considered, design simplicity, ease of use and accessory quality, this setup is super underrated. Customer service is also an aspect and what initially sold me.

“Wicked over priced” well played sir

@Superzach8288

3 жыл бұрын

@Patrick Petrie I think you missed the joke.

My 99 cents with the KME: The good: - Even though I've reprofiled my Zero Tolerance 0180 just with the basic XC Diamond hone (140 grit) twice, and plenty other knives several times, it's still in great condition. These diamond hones are seriously tough. - The play of the ball joint is pretty much negligible, compared to Lansky, DMT, Gatco ... hell, even the first generation wicked edge (before they introduced the rods on ball joints, which you can have for $99, to upgrade your older kit), they had these pivots with some serious play, which could make more than one degree of angle variation, depending on where you apply presssure on the hone. - basically what has been said already in the video. The not great, but workable: - the angle changes depending on blade height: Yes, it does. So? It's going to affect the actual angle by roughly one degree, plus or minus. Do you need your knife to be exactly 40° inclusive, or you'll commit seppuku with it, if it turns out to be 38° or 42°? I don't think so. If that's too much for you, there's this tool called protractor, you can get an inexpensive plastic one for zero dollars and very few cents; you put it against the back of the jig, and find the angle of the rod against the jig. - having to clamp the knife in the exact same spot the next time you resharpen: You do have a phone with a camera, right? If you don't have that for whatever reason, a ruler, notepad and a pen will do just fine. - the bevel height changes at the tip: yes, usually the bevel gets higher despite the angle getting less acute (in case of upward curve of the blade near the tip); this depends mostly on the knife grind geometry, rather than the sharpening system geometry. You can't do much about that, which is one really serious first world problem, but it's not such a big deal that you couldn't live with it. Unless you have like a $1000+ masterpiece of a knife, in which case you won't bother with this system anyway. - if you switch sides often (I'll be explaining why you want to do that later), the nut that tightens the spring unscrews a little with every counterclockwise turn (if you can, turn the jig only clockwise) - guide rod falling out of the joint - I will explain later how to prevent that The bad: - with blade lengths of 20 cm and more (that's 8" for you American folks there), you'll have trouble covering the whole blade length with one stroke of the stone against the edge (why you want to do that, I'll get on that later as well) - the pistol grip is only for two fingers and not especially comfortable to hold The ugly: - the base. Seriously? 25 USD for a block of wood with metal stick screwed in the middle (oh and four pads on the underside, Im sorry)! People actually buy that? For that money, that wooden base better be made of fucking mahogany! And the rod be at least made of some quality stainless steel, like 316L. Or mithril. However, I suspect it's more like a piece of standard hardwood and a rod of mild steel. Got some basic tools and hardware in your workshop? You can make one for about $1 worth of material. Also, In my opinion, contrary what the KME website and Nick say, it is NOT a must have accessory (I'll get to that, don't worry) - if you live anywhere in the world that isn't USA (and perhaps Canada), you'll might be able to buy the basic KF-D4 system without much of a problem, but the price of the accessories, especially hones, is absurd. If they sell them at all. I'm in Czech republic, and none from local dealers who sell the KME system carry the XXC or The Beast diamond hones. Nearest store that sells at least the 100 grit XXC hone (they don't sell The Beast, unfortunately) for 30 €, which equals $37, is in Germany. Other countries... Australia: 65 AUD for one spare diamond hone. That's 50 US dollars. Another 60 AUD (= 46 US dollars) for the kangaroo leather strop. Fucking four inches of kangaroo leather on a block of aluminium! In land down under, of all places, where these leather strops basically jump in your face if you drive 5 minutes past any city limit! You'd have to be insane to pay for that! UK: 30 Quid (= 43 dollars) for a diamond hone. Also, if you're not in USA, and you need to replace any nut on the system, you're screwed, as none of the threads are metric, since in USA I can only guess they see the metric system as some kind of a nazi satanist atheist fascist communist pinko plot, devised to undermine and destroy the traditional christian conservative family value God given rigtheous imperial unit system. Ok, now on why you want to flip the knife over more than once with every grit, why you want to do the entire blade length in one stroke against the edge if possible, how to prevent the stone carrier and guide rod assembly to fall out of the ball joint when you want it to stay, and why you don't need the base: The first two things are kind of related. When sharpening, you do need to find the burr, but you shouldn't overdo it. As long as you create the burr along the entire edge length, the smaller the burr is, the better. That's why you should do ONLY strokes into the edge, unless you're doing hard reprofiling of the bevel, in which case yes, it's more efficient to scrub back and forth with the hone. But if you're just doing normal sharpening or touch up, please for fucks sake. DONT SCRUB. Single, fluid strokes, into the blade, not away from it. If the blade is too long to cover with a single stroke, divide the length of the edge into two or three partial strokes. Flip the knife every after a five complete strokes. That way, the burr will go away almost completely while still honing with the Extra Coarse or Coarse hone. YOU DON'T NEED TO FIND THE BURR WITH EVERY LEVEL OF GRIT! In fact, after you find it on both sides with the most coarse stone you work with, that's when you know you're at the correct angle and that you've reached the apex. And that's when you start wanting the burr to fuck off, because if it stays there, even after you're finished with the finest grit, the knife won't stay sharp for long. The more tough and ductile the steel is, the harder it is to get rid of the burr. Now about the rod (not) falling out and the not really necessary base. 1) Clamp the knife tight. 2) Hold the jig with your non-dominant hand in such manner, that the central screw is vertical. 3) Hold the stone carrier and rod assembly in your dominant hand. Set the rod in the ball joint. 4) Sit back in your armchair by the fireplace. Relax. Now, sharpen the blade from both sides, with single strokes if possible, downward strokes (into the edge). Alternate sides frequently. To flip the knife, hold the jig with your dominant hand by the metal part with the angle scale, and keep the stone carrier out of the way with your fingers. Flip the knife with your non-dominant hand. 5) Repeat until you need to go up a grit level. - Technically, you don't have to set the jig aside or remove the rod and carrier assembly from it to replace the stone, if you're skillful enough, but just for safety reasons, let's not try that and do set the jig aside. Does that warrant buying a $25 base that you put the jig on for 30 second each time you replace a stone? If so, go for it. Otherwise, what you do is, rotate the jaws 90° from the detent position, and set the jig flat on your table. You just saved $25, which will buy you a small, 375 ml (that's 12,7 fluid ounces) bottle of Hennessy, which I believe is a much better investment. - Diamond lapping films. Another big WTF. $25 bucks for a piece of glass and five strips of film? $15 for another five strips, which you throw away after single use? Go to a hardware store. Buy some 2000 grit and 4000 grit (also a 6000, if you want to be anal about the mirror polish, but in my experience, 2000 grit already makes a nice shiny finish) sheets of sandpaper, 4 bucks a piece. Diamond if possible, but corundum will do. If hardware store doesn't have it, buy it online. Cut it into strips. One sheet is enough for at least 20 strips, if not more, which don't have to be disposed of after one use - they're fine for another one or two. Secure the strip in the carrier, using one of the hones. You just saved about 600 dollars worth of lapping films. Buy a bottle of Glenmorangie 25 Year Old instead. Money much better spent.

@dcrickerson7611

5 жыл бұрын

Nice in depth, instructional comment! Thanks for taking the time.

@RN-ts2kq

5 жыл бұрын

Awesome man. Thanks for the info and the entertaining delivery.

@abnergaldos8695

5 жыл бұрын

You did a great job explaining everything, hopefully people will take the time read your comment. Thank you

@onslow7963

5 жыл бұрын

Great advice Thanks

@WhalesWilly

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, best comment ever

I'm really pleased with this! It works like a charm kzread.infoUgkxDcr-y2Pf6xdnrFHrSP7dl9kpKaCozcSQ Takes less time than my old electric sharpener because it can take more off the knife faster, and then it smooths out nicely with the finer grit polisher. I don't know how long it will last before the grit wears away, but I wouldn't mind having to replace it every once in a while.

Man, you've been cranking out videos lately. Thanks for all the hardwork. I really enjoy watching your vids.

Well, after about a month of research I have decided to go for it and get the KME deluxe kit. Same thing you have here. I found it for $300. Your video review, wisdom and experience in the knife world sold it for me. I appreciate you man. Keep doing your thing.

Finally Nick lol it was like Xmas morning when I saw the notification kme review when I woke up this morning. So glad you did it thanks.

Great review, I subscribed. This is the first of your videos I've seen and looking forward to more!

Thanks for the review nick! It was super helpful and made me do some more research and got this gem myself! I’m hoping I’ll be pleased with it when I actually get it for Christmas. Great vid as always!

I got mine like 2 months ago and I absolutely love it! I have the beast and a kangaroo strop with 4 micron emulsion obviously with the other stones and the system and I have gotten insane results from those alone.

Great review Nick.. I'm going to upgrade from my Lansky to this. Thanks so much for reviewing this system..tc

I have used the KME system for over a year and love it for all the reasons you gave. A useful suggestion to get to the mirror finished edge in a more cost effective way is to substitute wet-dry sandpaper after using the 1500 grit diamond stone. The readily available grits at the big box stores are 800, 1500 and 2000. Just cut an oversized rectangular piece and place on any of your stones, tape the reverse to hold in place and clamp in the stone holder. No angle adjustment is needed and progress through the grits as usual. The scratch marks will disappear and it will give a nice result. Finer grit wet-dry sandpaper is hard to find but is available on Amazon up to 8000 grit in small, affordable quantities from Germany. The result is awesome and you can finish up with a leather strop/CBN emulsion to your taste. No wetting is needed, it is quick, cost effective and you can sharpen many knives. What is not to love? Congratulations on the Kevin Cleary review..Love what you do.

@wrongway2001

6 жыл бұрын

Nice idea. Just found a set of wet & dry on eBay 2000 to 7000 at a very good price so worth trying.

@ojile13

6 жыл бұрын

wrongway2001 did you try the sandpaper? What did you think?

@shubbagin49

6 жыл бұрын

I am such Muppet, should have thought of that as I use a real heavy DMT to reprofile and it is maybe a bit long and a wee bit thick but it just means I got to check angles after stones, which I do anyway. Sometimes you cannot see the woods for the trees, Sir. Thanks for the brain jog.

Yes, it’s expensive but I love my knives and I have been looking for a good sharpening system for a while now, and just based on this video alone, I heard everything I needed to hear to make the purchase. Thanks Nick! Your videos are always entertaining and informative and I always look forward to them!

Man, I love these reviews! Especially the personality! You're making me miss home (NY).

Will you be doing a video of actually using this system Nick, perhaps with 'before' and 'after' results?

Hey Nick, this was a great video.... I'm glad I found it as I was about to buy the Edge Pro Apex and this looks like a much better setup for my needs. Do you have any other input after going to Blade and meeting the inventor of the KME as far as strops/stones/technique?

Great review Nick,I'll put it on my wish list. Glad I learned to free hand sharpening when I was a kid. It's something I wish young people today would learn to do it's very satisfying and you can put a good edge on a knife when camping or hunting.

hey Nick just wondering if you can tell me what angle you sharpened your pm2 at? Thanks

A while back KME sold a chosera stone kit for their sysyem. I bought the kit and absolutely love it. The stone set goes up to 10k and leaves a mirror finish without stopping

So on my Edge Pro, I have to protect the blade from scuffs using the wet stones and loose material caught up in the water. Does this system reduce the likelihood of scuffing or scratching the blade?

Thanks for the review Nick, good as usual. 👍Who or what sharpening service do you recommend? Who have you sent your knives to? Thanks.

This video was the one that sold me on the kme system, and I have no regrets about it. If you aren't patient to learn, or too intimidated to jump into hand sharpening on stones, this is a great alternative.

@bigpicturethinking5620

11 ай бұрын

Would you recommend having the lapping films or just the main kit?

Mine will be here this week! Great review! You have a great show.... always making life fun! Walt - Chicago

This system is out of my price range but this was a great video. I had fun just watching. As Nick would say "This video was a beautiful thing."

Great point about the blade clamp position Affecting the actual Anglesey are sharpening at.

Giving some serious thought on this.That Nick means it's a good review.Took me awhile to warm up to your channel thank you bird and Frankie for sending me.

Great video!! Mine is showing up today. Can’t wait to get started👍

I know this is an old video but just wanted to say thank you for your review as it was one of the reviews that helped me decide to get this sharpening system and so far it is really good. I have the diamond 140 through 1500 set and added the 9 and 6 micron lapping films and the 4 micron strop and it's giving me great looking edges. I am glad I didn't spend the extra on wicked edge which was the other system i was seriously considering. Both are good but I'm really happy with KME so far. Thanks Nick,

Being able to use your same hand for both sides of the blade is what sold me, great review by the way.

Nice Review Nick.... I can always count on your demos... keep up the awesome work.. # awesome nick

I am having trouble need help. When i marker the edge and find the angle as I bring the stone to the tip of the knife it doesn't touch the marker. Its like the angle is different. What am i doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated thanks

Bought a KME last year and enjoy it. Have fun with it and keep up the good videos my friend.

picked up my KME after watching a ton of birdshot iV's and knifekrazy's content. Love it. Great to see your thoughts on it also. it really is a gem of a system. Totally an upgrade for me coming from my Sharpmaker.

Do medford paper weights even need sharpened? I mean prying tools.

Man I love your reviews!

Great review. Good honest review. Thanks

Nice review. So what do you feel is the maximum blade/spine thickness that this will accommodate? My Strider SMF has a .190 thick spine.

What are the bare minimal stones I would need to get a good edge?

"Base Kit" doesn't include the base. Lol, wut? You should get KME to put the "Shabazz Kit" as one of their options. I'd rather spend $300 on your build rather than their "deluxe kit".

@stevencrawford7409

5 жыл бұрын

Pioms

@rlanger3108

3 жыл бұрын

@Jacob Dawson then why are you here?

Hey Nick, with the Norseman, were you able to use the normal diamond plates or did you have to use the recurve tool?

Would the clamp of this unit be able to hold a knife that is 1/4 inch thick?

Mine came with a little black o-ring that slips on the tip of the guide rod to keep it from slipping out. it sometimes disallows the knife to be turned over if it is very long overall.

Is there an extension or a longer rod to sharpen wider blades like a cleaver?

do you still need to use water with this system and the diamond stones?

Hi Nick nice review! I've been looking at buying this system for awhile now, might have to pull the trigger on it now. Thanks for making all the awesome reviews and disassembly videos! Your disassembly videos helped me take apart my 950 rift and Endura with no problems.

@TorlingJarl

7 жыл бұрын

if you haven't bought it already, buy it. I got it 2 days ago and boy, just with the 1500 grit I have gotten the sharpest knives if handled. hands. down.

I want to order the deluxe kit from kme. couldn't even get a Hold of customer service for a question. can you sharpen thick ( up to 1/4") large fixed blades? that is only thing holding me back from buying it. I collect folders as well as fixed blades up to 10" and 1/4" thick. please reply Nick. thanks!

Hi. Would you be able to look up the Benchmade Nestucca and let me know if the sharpening system would work with that blade? It has a huge curve on it and I'm worried I will ruin the blade. Thank you!

This looks like a very good system. I'm fortunate enough to have a very good friend who does professional knife sharpening so I don't really need my own system but if I ever do, this looks like a great option.

I have pretty much the same set - up Nick has here and I'm very pleased. Didn't think my blades could get any sharper than with the Spyderco Sharpmaker but I was way wrong. The Sharpmaker is very good but this KME system with all the bells and whistles take sharp to another level. Most everyone these days have a smart phone. Download a free app that tells you the angles and you don't have to buy one. Sharpies are good for finding the factory bevel but I just reprofile most of my blades to 20 degrees or whatever degree I want. So when I set it up the next time, I don't need to guess what degree I'm looking for. Mount the knife, open the app, find 20 degrees and I'm good to go.

Can you do an update video on the new convex rod available for this system ?

I just use my stone as normal...I don't understand the concept of a fancy sharpening system. Does it have alot of benefits?

Hi Nick, I want to move up from sharping knives with a flat stone. I have reviewed a KME and Wicked Edge and the Work Shop belt sharper. All three seem to do a great job, and all three have disadvantages. Do you know if the Work Shop be used without rounding tips? I began using the Work Shop field sharper about three years ago, and it does an ok job, but not great. I only want to sharpen kitchen and pocket knives to have a good edge. Hair splitting would be a great edge, but not required. Thanks for your videos.

Great review, thanks.

Hey Nick I’ve been watching your videos for over a year now. I have to say you are the most thorough person I’ve seen in a long time. So if there is anything I need info on is it ok if I ask the great and wonderful Mr. Shabazz my question. If I have a choice between two favorites you are the simple choice because I know you are a no bullshit person. Thanks for reading this Mike Murphy you are the man!!!! !!!!!!!!

I'm really thinking of getting one of these for myself for Christmas, I have a lansky now but think the kme diamond system would be better?? Also is there anything wrong with just not using the base and putting the handle snug in a vise?

Welcome to the KME family.

I picked up a CRKT stubby Razel, how do I set up the chisel edge in the clamps properly?

Can this sharpen a razel, if not could you point me to one that can?

Great review....Thank you.

I was watching birdshot . When he flipped the knife he got my full attention . I'm getting one !!! And the beast is another got to have !

Hello Nick, very well done, KME is also my favorite from all my sharpeners, a few things bothered me though & I came up with solutions: 1- the thread pitch is kind of coarse so to better apply force on the jaws I use Nano-Oil 85 weight, 85w for low migration, while you are at it apply it also on the stone holder screw. 2-- the play between the base & the handle made me crazy so I reduced it to close tolerance with no play by making a paper tube & inserted on the aluminium post of the base, making sure that I over lapped the top part for easy entry, I have to say that it is now a Rolls Royce, 3- while you have your Nano-Oil tubes out, you could try to use the 10 or 5 weight on your stone, I say no more, just try it privately and let me know what you think, If you ever drill in Stainless Aircraft aluminium or Titanium , use just a drop on the tip on the drill bit, it will cut much easier & make a very nice burr less hole, while you at it try tapping threads with the 10 weight, FYI while performing those metal cutting, the temperature is much reduces, preserving the integrity of your cutting tools. Take care, love you videos, Shot Show 2017 was awesome, Tanto from Benghazi 13 hours movie was right next to us signing books + photo opps, what a great Gentleman,

@kenroman777

7 жыл бұрын

Christian StClaire can you post images of your KME mods?

@mike102069

7 жыл бұрын

Nick don't u use the kme strop?

Nick,have you used the ceramic ,arkansas stones yet?like them?I have one of these kme kits on the way.Your review convinced me.

I free hand sharpen with one those tristone Arkansas stones what would be a good sharpener that is good for s30v and sandvik steel

What do you recommend as a minimum to get a mirror edge?

Good review. I like the Edge Pro and get great results with it. But, I have the same struggles with it you do. One other issue with the EP that this won't have is having to tape up blades to prevent scratching. Not a huge deal, but one other thing that takes effort and makes it a little bit of a pain to use the EP.

Do fixed angle sharpeners , for example the Edge pro, Hapstone, wicked edge , Kme, and TSprof allow for true zero Scandi sharpening?

Hello sir were did you buy that sharpener? Thanks

Could you sharpen a Bunchmade 940-2 with this system?

Hey Nick, would this be the best system for a beginner?

Would this be good to use on kitchen knives too? I know you mentioned the thickness but nothing on length etc. Really considering this for certain blades I have. I mainly use the spyderco sharp maker since for most blades it works perfect. But the few blades I have that aren't the same angle as the ones on spyderco and then kitchen knives. I tried the lansky and not crazy about it as I don't find it gives the best edge, and tried the knock off versions of the edge pro, and agree the fact you need to use both hands makes it useless to me.

Can I ask how thick is the glass? Length and width? I was thinking I have my own 3m polishing papers and can just make my own glass blanks or have a frame shop make for me.

@WillEDC

5 жыл бұрын

5mm thickness . 4x1” plate dimension

Is the recurve sharpener viable for karambits?

I bought a $30 Ruike steel framelock on Amazon to be my sacrificial lamb when I first got the KME and I actually turned out getting a super sweet edge on it, plus the knife is actually incredible for the price. I didn’t really know it when it bought it but I think a ton of people love that knife so it all worked out nicely. I still use that knife all of the time when I don’t want to booger up one of my more expensive knives.

Has anyone found the minimum sharpening angle to steep?

I love your voice, very soothing to listen to, great video

Any recommendations for the best mail away professional sharpening services?

Itsa beeutifoal ting da way you get a mira on dat blade! I toroly enjoyed it! THX for dis upload great infumation! BE WELL!

I really appreciate your insight - thanks.

Nick, you can use a "drill bit stop" or a thick cross section o-ring to keep the guide rod from coming out of the plastic heim joint. Also, you can find an angle finder/level app for your phone which will help a layman make sure it's clamped correctly and the angle is correct

Where can I get those glass films? Love this review

Nick, great review as always. Can you please review a wicked edge system?

hey Nick, to date what is your favorite all around sharpener that you like to use? If price is not an issue. I just want to buy once. Thanks!!!!

Thanks Nick, I didn't know the exact site address. Now, to decide if I really need to spend the money. I don't sharpen all that much but I do like great results. Very good video with enough info to make an informed decision .

Hey Nick, Great video. I just purchased the basic set. I am wondering what lapping films I should buy as well. Which micron should I go with to get a decent mirror edge I think they sell 9, 6, 3, 1, 0.5, or 0.1. I am just wondering what you would recommend? Thanks again for the video it really helped me make my decision.

@slywolfe

3 жыл бұрын

3 & 6

I love my KME! KZreadr Dean O has great vids on tricks and tips for the system. Ken the company owner is also a great resource and a real nice guy to talk to.

Nick good video review of a great system. At about 8:28 in the video you very quickly showed how to use this system. Perhaps in the future you might cover how the system works with ZDP 189 and 110cv steel blades.

@TorlingJarl

7 жыл бұрын

it works the exact same, just might take longer. that why the beast is an AWESOME add-on, just work it a bit.

Can this work on chef knives or is that too big?

I currently use a worksharp but I might have to get this for my folding knives

I love my KME, it's a great system. I didn't buy the base, I just mount it in my vise. I only have the diamond stones and the coarsest strop compound. Add an angle cube and some aftermarket knobs, it really enhances the system.

Who would you recommend to ship your knife to to get a truly wicked edge? What is the approx cost to get mirror edge too?

@NickShabazz

6 жыл бұрын

SpadeKnifeworks is who I've used, but Mike Emler does good work too.

It looks like a good system and somewhat better than a concrete sidewalk. I can absolutely see me cutting myself with those movements. Usually, I use my Work Sharp Ken Onion with the Blade Grinder attachment. Usually, I only use a leather strop belt. The Sharpie is key to finding that correct angle. I also have the Tool Grinder attachment, which is great for lawn mower blades. The Work Sharp Blade Grinder is also good for getting a 90% spine on a camping knife to be used with a fire stick. Anyway, there is something compelling about the KME system features and, if it were not for the price, I would consider it.

Awesome review as usual. The KME system offered a convex edge accessory, too.

Great review! I’ve been trying to find that recurve rod. Can you help me out please?

Nice review, nice system. Unfortunately even more expensive in Europe. Thanks for sharing :)

Can a 1/4" thick blade fit? Pretty much most of TOPS big knives.

@rossginn1171

Жыл бұрын

Yessir 🙋🏼‍♂️ I sharpen all my TOPS with mine

Would you say the basic kit with just the 4 diamond stones from 140-1500 grit is good enough? and what size rod would you say the base has coming out of it. I'm just looking and it looks close to a 3/8-1/2 rod I don't see the point paying the close to $50 for the base here in Canada. Amazon has the basic kit for $220 free shipping so thinking of just ordering that then making my own base wouldn't be hard to have a piece of wood and just put a bolt coming out. Hell almost looks like the lansky base would work too. And I have to ask where are you from Nick? Accent sounds like a brooklyn or queens to me haha.

What about thin Japanese kitchen knives? Say 210mm long. Will the KME work?

Would love to see a review of the Russian TSPROF sharpener which seems much more robust and precise for about the same price...

I had a KME and now an Edge Pro, and I agree with the comparisons you made in this video. I kind of want to try a Wicked Edge too now, though... lol