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@TheDeadlyDan

4 жыл бұрын

Only ten minutes in so far, but . . . Could the Lombards be the origin of the European branch of cynocephalic mythologies, the infamous Dog Headed Men?

@mver191

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDeadlyDan Don't think so. They were known for their long beards (hence the name Longobards).

@chrisnewbury3793

10 ай бұрын

@@TheDeadlyDan the berserker tradition of transforming into a beast to fight wars goes way back. In part to psyche yourself up and in part to scare your enemies.

I’m sure that most people don’t comment after listening, but as one of the few, I really like the collaboration on this episode and your guest was a breath of fresh air and added so much detail. Thanks to you both.

You guys keep it up! So glad I found this channel. As you can see from the comments you can't please everyone but I hope you two don't get discouraged. Negativity seems to be a trend these days which is really sad. You two obviously spend time you didn't have to researching and putting what you've learned out there for us listeners who have a choice to find another channel if its not your cup of tea per se. My grandmother always said our descendants were lombards and its hard to find info on them. I enjoyed the entirety of this video and will be subscribing to both your channels. Keep up the good work. Thank you both.

My mother was born in Milan and my paternal grandparents were from Schio. I have mostly Germanic alleles and almost no Italian ones. My mother always talked about the Lombards as distant ancestors so I am interested in their history. Thank you for the video.

@pamle1

3 жыл бұрын

Most of Italy is under the genetic marker "Italy and Greece," but much of the northeast is probably primarily Romanized Gaulish.. or the ancestors of the earlier Cisalpine Gauls. My grandparents were from the Val Camonica, which is from a very ancient Proto-European people, even from before the Gauls.

@adamlombard3771

2 жыл бұрын

My grandfather was a genealogist. He traced our origins back to the Lombard royalty which was cool to know. So hello cousin :D

@brandonporter6223

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamlombard3771 lmao my mother's last name is Lombard, just found this video xD We're starting to look into her family history.

@Ayazidas

Жыл бұрын

​@@IndianTigress98 Modern Lombards are not Germanic, since they don't speak a Germanic language. Genetically, North Italians are similar to Southern French and Spaniards/Portuguese and nothing suggests that they have a massive Germanic admixture (more than 15 or 20%). The Longobards were genetically similar to Northern Germans and Dutch, since they originated in what is now Northern Germany and moved rather quickly through Central Europe to Italy.

@ryankellypa

Жыл бұрын

Same here

I always get excited because I think I'm getting a doc but then I get a podcast and frown ...but this one was actually not that bad and extremely informative

Have I said I really like this new introduction? Keep up the good work.

@ReneBroekhoven

4 жыл бұрын

No You did not, but I agree anyway ...

Fascinating stuff!

That intro is really amazing

Sharing the 2020 DNA new discoveries on the Scandinavian link with the Lombards: The question of the origin of the Lombards has been debated for a long time. During the 1970s, the Scandinavian origin was questioned and it was suggested that the original domicile could have been north western Germany, and possibly parts of southern Denmark. Recent genetic studies show that the Lombards had strong genetic ties to northern Europe, especially Iceland and Lithuania. A study from 2018 showed that individuals identified as Lombards had no relationship to previous populations in the area, but strong genetic similarities with individuals from the Bronze Age in Scandinavia. This study suggested that the Lombards originally came from Scandinavia and then settled in Central Europe and mingled with the population there and then settled in Italy. A study from 2019 showed that the Lombards who settled in northern Italy were a gender-mixed group consisting of both men and women. A study from 2020 showed genetic ties between Lombards and Viking-age inhabitants in Norway and Sweden. Translated from: sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langobarder

Great content as usual

Thank you. Very entertaining

This was highly enlightening!

This was a great video on the Lombards. I was curious how the Roman identity was ‘lost’ while the ‘Italian’ mindset and positions grew in the Middle Ages🤔👌

A small correction, on a very good video anyway: you can easilly tell that the Langobards that arrived in the south of the Alps were mostly the original people that left Scandinavia. You can tell it by the last names still surviving in modern Lombardy. One of these names is Bernasconi, basically pronounced as it was 1500 years ago. It is composed by Berna and Sconi. In old Germanic languages, the A sound was usually used for the genitive plural. Because Ber means Bear, Berna means "of the bears". Sconi is not known, but I realized it's meaning a few years ago. There is a very similar word in Swedish: Skåne; and Icelandic: Skáni. The pronounce is basically identical. This is the name of the southern region of Sweden. It comes from Skáney, which ís composed by two contracted words: Skadin, from Skaþô, which means "danger", and awjō, which means "island". Interestingly, according the legend of the origin of the Langobards mentioned in Historie Langobardorum, wrote by Paul Deacon, they came from a mistearious and unknown "island of Scandinavia". Both my parents names are old Langobardic.

Don’t worry, gentleman, we love long videos and podcasts! I’m reading through Oxford’s new edition of the History of the Popes, I will follow along in the podcast series mentioned here. The history of Europe is so influenced by Christianity and a few other religions like Judaism and Islam, that I think it’s important to learn as much as possible about these religions.

Goths or Geats ,Jutes are the key of understanding Europe tribal structure!they are mentioned also in b.c Greek texts!they control the north south belt from gothland,juteland,skanza gotha(north Poland)to Moldavia (vlacho-bogdania)

@spirosvelliniatis2165

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like they controled the bern-stein route

good background

I found out my paternal chromosome I-L22 can be tracked back to this Germanic tribe, neat to learn more about my ancestors

Is this the guy from the metatron channel?

@ZotyaPotyaZTA

4 жыл бұрын

he is mike too, so probably

@nicolaloverre4524

3 жыл бұрын

Surprisingly, he's not. They're two different people. Amazing similarities in voice tone and accent, though.

@giulianoilfilosofo7927

2 жыл бұрын

He is not, Metatron guy, Raffaello, is Sicilian, This guy is from Emilia Romagna, completely different accent and located in Northern Central Italy.

2:21 "you never know when you can start calling the country Italy..." It was called Italy, from Alps to Calabria, since Caesar...

I'm swedish and northern Italian cortina is were my ancestors were from.

The Italian boy speaks very clear and pleasant language. And interesting of course. I hope he is handsome too >

To answer the question "Why the Franks got involved": let's say that most Lombard Dukes were almost as rich as Charlemagne himself and certainly much more rich then their king Desiderius. They Franks also got involved several times before, Like during the Gothic wars, in the inter reign after the death of Clephis and then again During the reign of Grimoald. The most credible theory is that the Byzantines, were paying the Franks to destabilize the Lombard kingdom at the times when it was at war in the South. During Grimoald reign, Empreor Constant II made an ill fated attempt to invade Italy with an army. He paid the Franks to invade from the Alps, trying to delay the army of Grimoald, but they were swiftly dispatched and the imperial army was utterly defeated at Benevento just 2 weeks later. the Frank army may have been made of Alemans, like during the gothic war. There are other example of the Byzantines meddling with the Lombard kingdom, as in the case of the Murder of Alboin, where Rosmunda and her lover fled to Ravenna bringing the royal treasury with them. we also know the Byzantine were eager to let other fight their wars, content to pay for their service. What Constans II did to Rome during his brief staying led the Pope to drop his alliance with the Byzantine, which , instead of restoring Rome's power, had spoiled Rome of every precious decoration, including the Pantheon metal roof. with the byzantines no more an option and the iconoclast heresy going on, the popes seek protection with the other strong kingdom far enough from it's borders to not become a menace. The Carolingians, after getting rid of the Merovingans, were also Eager to get recognized their rulership by the Pope, and so were more then eager to act as the "Papal protector". the Pope saw no problems in nullifying the marriage of Charlemagne with Ermengarda and also to ignore the probable murder or Chaleman by hand of Charlemagne. Let's not forget the Merovingians were somehow tied to the legend of the San Graal, or rather "Le Sang Real", which means the crown was not easy to usurpate, without a religious backing. About Lombard dictionary, several hundred of words have been integrated in the proto italian with a lombard origins: Lavoro (work), Banca (Bank) Panca (Bench), Banco/Banca (Banck) Balcone (Balcony), Schiena (Back), Palla (Ball) Bianco (White (possibly Goth)), Gamba (Leg), Stracco (tired) Sguillare (skid), Stinco (Shin) and countless other examples. The only families that ruled in the middle age in Italy from certain Lombard Origin were Matilda di Canossa and The Este Family: most of the top places of power were sized by Franks after then Livenza battle, which means most of the rulers that then followed have mostly Frank origins (Berengario of Friuli Lambert of Spoleto most notably). they still married with the local nobility, most of which were Lombards. Visconti were probably just low end notables that were acting in place of a Count when absent (Vice Comites): the Lombards did not have Counts and Marques, which were titles imposed by the Franks to divide the old Duchies, Marks, being at the border of the kingdom, and Counties (Contadus) when inside the borders. Lombardy became a County ,while Friuli and Spolteo became Marques. "Sforza" was just silly surname that John Awkward (Giovanni Acuto) gave to Francesco, an unuly lowborn peasant from the Romagna: [You keep pushing even in front of me!?!? I'll rename you "sforza"], when he joined his mercenary bad and was not willing to let a matter go. Francesco (now Sforza) then ended marrying the daughter of the last Visconti and became duke of Milan. Many other famous families of the late middle ange and renaissance were from Ottonian nobility.

The cisma with the byzantio was with charlemagno

I almost never hear any mention or discussion of the Lombards, it's easy to assume they were just a brief and mostly irrelevant bit of early medieval history, as I for a long while did. I've been curious but can't find much material on them. Very cool podcast.

@ANKHRASET

4 жыл бұрын

They're called Zionist these days ...

@ConstantineJoseph

4 жыл бұрын

They're not a brief part of history. Lombards constitute the predominant DNA of all Italians in modernity. They are the bedrock of the country and their legacy lives on

@ANKHRASET

4 жыл бұрын

Longo beard people the money changers ...

@ajrwilde14

2 жыл бұрын

@@ConstantineJoseph Lombard DNA would be Germanic/Norse so not the predominant DNA of modern Italians

@ITALICVS

2 жыл бұрын

@@ConstantineJoseph 200 years of Lombard domination cannot bring about a predominant genetic variation. Furthermore, the number of Lombards was much lower than that of the Italics, and there was no ethnic substitution.

Im lombard. My family settled in the southern kingdom aka the duchy of benevento

Speaking of Aqueleia, it had been pretty much wiped out by Atilla the Hun in the 5th century and would have been little left even before the destruction of the Gothic wars.

The Southern Lombards just melded into the population of Southern Italy. In addition, it is estimated that 200 Northern Italian Lombard and Frankish families settled in Sicily to help Latinize it after the Norman conquest. Hence, the blue-eyed and blondism and even red hair gene that is prevalent in the population of Sicily to this day. I'm one of them and know many Sicilians with these genes. My surname as well traces back to the Northern Italian region where the Lombards and Franks settled. My surname first appeared in Sicilian documents in the 1300s, and in one documents, it's specifically recorded under the Latin Catholic rite families vs. the Byzantine rite.

@BernaskaneyTheLangobard

4 ай бұрын

Is is possible that also greenish eyes and curly hair are of northern origin. Personalities with curly hair expecially are reported in most of the Scandinavian old writings or in old portraits: Ragnarr Loðbrók, from the Nuremberg Chronicles, was extremely curly, just like king Haraldr, Inge and Eystein of Norway. However, dark hair were also recorded: Hálfdan, Haraldr's father, for example, had black hair.

I thought my sound was broken at the beginning.

The sagas are an invention of the 1200 this era

I found your video interesting and I am fascinated by these historical topics. But I think you should credit your visual material because it really matters where it came from. The primitive reliefs seem to be influenced by much more sophisticated Roman art; I assume they are from some medieval church. They seem to be what I call witness art, ie by real Lombards and reflecting the way actual people living at the time thought. The later print seems to be roughly 1800s and is romanticized fantasy art done by people who lived centuries away from the events of the picture. We often prefer 1800s art to earlier art as it is often executed beautifully, with the range of paint colors we now regard as normal in art, with the strong focal points we expect, but it is not necessarily anywhere near accurate and is misleading if you want to understand what was going on in the original historical period.

@ANKHRASET

4 жыл бұрын

Byzantine art ...

Outside of fringe areas, the extent to which Northern Italians can be considered 'Germanic' is rather small; what really puts them in a different category to all Italians living south of Tuscany (the north of Tuscany has a lot in common with Northern Italy--I would argue down to Lucca is Northern Italy), instead the celtic roots and absence of middle eastern roots is why the north and south are so different

So interesting, can you trace the origins of surnames. I would love to know as a decedent of a Lombardian with a common name.

@BernaskaneyTheLangobard

4 ай бұрын

If you mean "last names" I can tell you that various Lombard last names are almost identical as when they were created. Bernasconi, for example, composed by Berna and Sconi. Berna means "of the bears". Sconi is not known, but I realized it's meaning a few years ago. There is a very similar word in Swedish: Skåne; and Icelandic: Skáni. The pronounce is basically identical. This is the name of the southern region of Sweden.

San Marino was a Republic since at least the XIII century.

My husband’s mom was a Lombard. I wonder if she had ancestry in this Lombard group.

@pamle1

3 жыл бұрын

The land and language of what was called Lumbardia before 1860, isn't exactly the same thing as the original Langobards. Although Lombardy was the chief territory of the Langobards.

Charlemagne or Charles the Great, numbered Charles I, was King of the Franks from 768, King of the Lombards from 774, and Emperor of the Romans from 800. During the Early Middle Ages, he united the majority of western and central Europe. ..

The Lombards was the vanilli,from Scandinavia,

Many celts and germanicos were living with the romans

👍

LOL...Podcast envy

My great Grandmother comes from a long line of Lombardi's

16 century this era

Italy was united in the 19 century this era

Just found out my lineage goes way back to Kleph Claffo Der Langobarden king of the Lombards .

Does anyone know what is the percentage of German Lompards among the population in North Italy ?

@mver191

4 жыл бұрын

I am Dutch and I have a lot of Lombard ancestors. I share a lot of DNA seemingly with bones dug up in excavations of Lombard graves all over the route from scandinavia to inner Italy.

@LondonPower

4 жыл бұрын

@@mver191 👌

@mver191

4 жыл бұрын

@Michele La Mura Yes but was it really a Lombard population? Or was it a Lombard elite ruling over non Lombard people?

@BernaskaneyTheLangobard

3 жыл бұрын

Lombard here, from Italy. I hope you'll find this interesting. Lombardy is both celtic and germanic in culture and DNA. The problem is the distinction between celts and germans, that are coming from the same population known, in linguistic researches, as the Kentum, or centum, common to hellenics and italics too. Posidonius States that the distinction we have is a political distinction marked by Julius Caesar, who stated that celts and germans were separated by the Rhine, and this is not entirely true. The word German was used for the first time in the Greek and Roman world in the "Fasti Triumphales", 222 b.c., related to Claudius Marcellus victory: "de Galleis Insubribus et Germ (an) eis)". Most people at that time did not accept Caesar distinction and in fact celts and germans were considered the same by people like Posidonius, Sallustius, J. Flavius, Dionusios of Halikarnasseus, Diodorus (who uses the name celts also for northern europeans), and others. Strabo writes that celts and germans are consanguineous, blood related, equal in nature and organization. It means that in that world celts and germans were practically the same thing. As for languages, and here I copy from a text you should read (Gilles Quentel, University of Gdańsk - Early Linguistic Contacts between Continental Celtic and Germanic: Lexical Aspects): d’Arbois de Jubainville proposed an exhaustive list of common Germanic-Celtic words, while people from northern Germanic tribes located in Schleswig and in Jutland like the Teutones, the Cimbri and the Ambrones are sharing celtic names, like Teuto, bochu, Boiorix, Lugius and so on. My surname, for exsample, is considered to be originated from both celtic and germanic languages, like, also, old norse. If Celtic has been a substratum of Germanic or the contrary, is difficult to answer. The fact that there is much more words borrowed by Germanic from Celtic than the contrary tends to indicate either the existence of a Celtic substratum or a possible early Celtic domination of the Germanic tribes. It appears clearly that the attestations of the Celtic words predate the attestations of the Germanic ones, but it does not rule out the possibility of Celtic borrowings from Germanic. - Then we also have connection between latin and old norse... About the Lombards, archeological researches discovered that lombards were a kind of mixture between europeans, so, again, we still have this celtic germanic mixture problem. What is known is that Lombard religion, for example, is the same as the viking's: the Lombards were known as Winnili, worshippers of Frigg and Odinn, and the myth says that Odin himself gave them the name "Longobards/Lombards".

@LondonPower

3 жыл бұрын

@@BernaskaneyTheLangobard very intresting thanks you

The map at 33:00 is not very accurate. The Balkans are not historically appropriate. What are the Bosnians ? The group itself as a separate sub-culture does not exist in that period. Bosnia was populated mostly by Serbs, with parts of Croatians and Dalmatians. Bosnians have only appeared as a cultural and ethnical group in the 17th century, with the intermix of marriages and cultural/religious conversions with Turks.

Another Lombard here

Yes the Franks pushed them out. I however very seriously doubt that would have happened earlier in the Lombard ascension. The Lombards are said by some to have been perhaps the most fearsome of the Barbarians tribe even though smaller in number, yet as has usually been the case, people who conquer and settle in tend to become effete and soft over time. I think this was true of them just as it was of the Romans and arguably just as it ended up being with the Franks/Carolingians.

@arx3516

Жыл бұрын

They weren't "pushed out" Charlemagne simply annexed the kingdom of Italy. They were simply assimilated by the local population.

The lombards finished with charlemagne

im a LOMBARD

King Arthur?

They did more Florence venice genova Germany is a country of the 19 century this era

I like to imagine the Lombards reached Italy, and they asked around: "You, peasant! What is the name of this place?" "It's known as Lombardy, sir." "Sonuvagun, well that's convenient."

Actually in 400 this era attila the hun got also into europe From there charlemagne He was not a merovingios

7:52 look how art degenerated from roman times unbelievable

You never said where the Italians cane from?

Sounds pretty fishy. Nobody changes their tribal name. You get conquered, and the fleeing remnants make up a new name. Obviously, the "Odin" story is pure fairy tale. That an exonym stuck and became adopted internally is also pretty fishy.

That is black sea

Not true They were in france

German language is of the❤

They went to the Western Balkans /Lowet Pannonia were they iallied with the Avars and beat /destroyed the Gepids and thei Kingdom. Sirmium today's Serbia was tbeir temporar capital and they they left for Italy letting the Avars rule Pannonia (parts of today's Hungary,Croatia,Serbia) and parts of todays's Romania

Avaros were huns

Subtitles in spanish, please!!

The vandals went to africa

Pipin charlemagne usurpers

modern italians and lombards are not romans? are they germanic stock? What about greece are they romans?

@ajrwilde14

2 жыл бұрын

No

@unknownzzz5115

2 жыл бұрын

Modern Lombards are not germanic, they are Gallo-italics/Western-romans like the French and the Spanish

Half the video is Ok, but way too much interferring from the religius guy, who seem more interessted in asking and talking than actual listening to the longobardian expert... What a shame so much it lost by this... ;-(

Decrepit and reprobate religion

Please do not use Byzantines, just use Romans instead.

A peculiarity of the Milanese language is that the negation is after the verb, as in German.