I like that Joker steals the bank manager's shotgun at the beginning, and then shows up with it later at the party.

@EN-mh4og

3 жыл бұрын

Mind blown

@TheKrislaf

3 жыл бұрын

how can you tell that it's the same shotgun?

@an8strengthkobold360

3 жыл бұрын

Checkof's gun (f*ck you I'm not looking up the correct spelling)

@Smashfan258

3 жыл бұрын

Squirrel because it’s what joker would do, take the gun, like it (he looks at it for a second before getting on the bus and throws it on, rather than just throwing it aside), then use it to commit other crimes... cause it’s funny.

@duongbinh211

3 жыл бұрын

Wow I didn't even realised nice notice mate!

The interesting thing about the Nolan trilogy is how the villains overshine Batman most of the time

@Cedrinate

3 жыл бұрын

Batman is just a "normal" human with no superpowers, yet, all his enemies are somehow mutated, or are literal maniacs. Yet it makes it the more impressive how batman outsmarts them all the time or even outfights them. That he even can keep up with deathstroke a literal super soldier is crazy

@errorERR0R

3 жыл бұрын

The measure of a hero is based on the villains they overcome; the greater the villain, the greater the hero.

@wallywest4727

3 жыл бұрын

Lets be honest though when it comes to comic book rogues Batman has the best ones, i don't think Batman would have become as popular as he has without his villains. Look at Adam West Batman, the villains were the scene stealers most of the time, look at Burton's films and again the villains are the best parts. A hero is only as good as his villain and that's why Batman is so fucking huge and popular, even an announcement of the villain for the new Batman film is met with hyped and endless talks something what even Spidey's rogues don't get (all though Spidey does have an amazing list of villains and is 2nd to Bats villain wise). Ask a regular joe who doesn't follow comic books and i bet most could name Joker, Two Face, The Riddler, Catwoman, Mr Freeze and The Penguin what's actually a lot to name, even Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, Bane and Harley may get a lot of mentions as well.

@MachineFuckingHate

3 жыл бұрын

As oppose to the MCU movies, where villains are so terrible and out of touch with their comic-book counterparts, they wouldn't overshine anything even if they were standing on the surface of the sun.

@-haclong2366

3 жыл бұрын

That's just D.C. in general.

It's been like 12 years and people are still talking about Heath's portrayal like it's only yesterday This movie will never be forgotten That's a legend

@justthinking650

3 жыл бұрын

you shouldn't even be surprised

@bbbllsels2773

2 жыл бұрын

Better than Joaquin Phoenix joker

@MrBeenus

2 жыл бұрын

@@bbbllsels2773 I think both Jokers are good in their own way. The 2 jokers are written very differently. I do however agree with you that Heath's portrayal is better than Phoenix's from a villain standpoint.

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2 жыл бұрын

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@user-sm4qy8yc2r

11 ай бұрын

Wait til you get a load of Jack Nicholson’s Joker…

Alfred spelled out the origin story when telling Bruce about the ruby bandit. Like the bandit, the Joker kills and steals for sport. He burns the money he steals just as the bandit threw away the rubys.

The one thing I’ll say is that I don’t agree with the “Batman is a job” idea, or that Joker initially wants to kill Batman only to change his mind. When the Joker says “if you’re good at something never do it for free” I don’t think he’s being remotely honest. I think he’s just telling the other criminals what they need to hear to think he’s on their level.

@chengkuoklee5734

3 жыл бұрын

Keyword- insanity.

@wallywest4727

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah Joker lying is a common thing in the film, however the beauty of the film is a lot is up to us to decide on so any take is fine.

@Olivia-tl1le

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, he is a master manipulator. Look at the story he told Harvey, turning him against Gotham or the varying history behind his scars. He says what he needs to say so that people can believe what he needs them to believe.

@AtotheKres

3 жыл бұрын

An interesting phenomen... Whenever he loses control about the presence he will tell lies about the presence to get control over it again. Once he has won control over the presence he will change the past to control it, too. An ancient Chinese saying is, who controls the past also controls the future. He's not about anarchy. He's about control without knowing what to do with it.

@connoranderson7432

2 жыл бұрын

@@Olivia-tl1le this is a year old comment but still: It’s also noticeable when he’s goading the cop into attacking him so he can take him hostage after the interrogation room scene. All the dialogue about how he prefers knives, yet all movie he pretty much solely uses firearms, a lot of kills he doesn’t even look at the victim. This doesn’t strike me as someone who takes the kind of slow sadistic pleasure in murder that he’s portraying. It’s like he’s not just manipulating his victims, he’s manipulating the audience itself.

Honestly he’s one of the best villains period.

@alexbrook6702

3 жыл бұрын

*the best

@ikoandreas5085

3 жыл бұрын

Alex Brook no. Some are better

@JamTaylor69

3 жыл бұрын

Alex Brook I agree

@alexbrook6702

3 жыл бұрын

Iko Andreas who?

@ikoandreas5085

3 жыл бұрын

Alex Brook Prolly Gollum. He’s alot more complex

As far as I'm concerned whenever it comes to the Joker's Origins I don't really care To quote the killing Joke "If I'm going to have a past I prefer to be multiple choice" That is the quote I always think of when I think of his origins if he doesn't care why should we.

@MattGarcyaDC

3 жыл бұрын

just curiosity

@charlespuruncajas9663

3 жыл бұрын

I really like that concept. Also the Joaquin Phoenix' Joker also played with that aspect with the hallucination and deliriums subplot, thus making the Joker an unreliable narrator

@groot7844

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like not having an origin story makes it almost impossible for the hero to defeat the villain, or even to understand his motives. That makes a villain like Joker, who represents chaos, unpredictable and almost undefeatable.

@jayceh

3 жыл бұрын

@@charlespuruncajas9663 I still don't think Joaquin phoenix is the Joker. He's the madman, born physically and mentally weak, who inspired a true Agent of Chaos - physically strong and mentally brilliant, choosing to adopt the persona of Joaquin's (historical) character. That's why Joaquin sees Bruce as a child while he's nearly 50, while the actual Joker of canon doesn't act like a 70 year old man.

@nanaholic01

3 жыл бұрын

@@charlespuruncajas9663 Phoenix's Joker's origin is as definite as you can get, there's little unreliability in his narration as the movie goes out of its way to separate Arthur's hallucination with reality such as when Arthur dreams he becomes a successful stand up comedian and dates the neighbour, but in the next scene we saw that it was clearly all in his head. Also in that story, without a definite origin the theme of the story doesn't work - ie Arthur has to be from a neglected class of society for the social commentary of the movie to get the audience to think about how unequal and unfair today's society is. This is in direct contrast to Ledger's Joker, where his motives and action has almost no direct link to his past. Was Ledger Joker abused by his father as a child? Maybe, maybe not. Did he have a wife whom left him? Maybe, maybe not. But none of it matters as it doesn't influence his actions in current. Whereas for Phoneix's Joker, ALL his actions was BECAUSE of the abuse he gets as a neglect class in society or in his family - if social security didn't get defunded Arthur might still be getting his medicine, if the society took care of the poor then Arthur wouldn't be taking care of his mentally ill mother by himself which puts a huge strain on his mental condition, if his co-workers weren't such back-stabbing douche he wouldn't do what he did etc. The two versions of Joker is actually at the exact opposite spectrum on the scale.

I truly believe this Joker is a former military soldier. Not only due to his line, but also how he literally blends into the crowd along the other soldiers as if he'd done this before, it's a good origin for him in this tbh

@MrDhen88

11 ай бұрын

Probably EOD given his proclivity for explosives and detonators, maybe SF given his familiarity with telecommunications and technology and how he infiltrates multiple locations undetected and handles a team of men with precision to complete his work

@wolfnahson9389

11 ай бұрын

I could see him as former green beret like commissioner Gordon doesn’t recognize former members

@BK-lw6cz

11 ай бұрын

Military keeps fingerprints. He would have been identified in police custody if he were military.

@HyraxusPrimus

11 ай бұрын

​​​@@BK-lw6czBut would the GCPD have access to those fingerprints? If Joker's at the level where he can take on Batman, the mob, and the cops at the same time, he might be part of a group that the military would deny even exists. Like a rogue Splinter Cell or Ethan Hunt.

@rudesword2852

11 ай бұрын

​@@BK-lw6czunless he shaved his fingerprints off or damaged them in some way

With all due respect to Mr. Phoenix’s recent portrayal of the Joker, Health Ledger’s performance will always be the apex for me. TDK, which was a frigging quote fest of a movie, has in my opinion, the best line ever. After the epic interrogation scene which cemented Heath winning the Oscar, Batman grabs him across the table & the Joker sums up Bats entire existence in 11 words. “You have all these rules & you think they’ll save you.” RIP Mr. Ledger.

Heath ledger's joker is the best by far

My personal spin on the Joker soldier theory is that he was specifically an ex-Green Beret. The Green Berets or Army Special Forces aren’t exactly like most other commando/special operations units, their primary job isn’t fighting, but unconventional warfare. For Green Berets unconventional warfare primarily focuses on liasing, recruiting, and training indigenous forces to conduct asymmetrical warfare behind enemy lines. What is the jokers organization if not a indigenous forces fighting a guerrilla war against the Gotham police? The joker is the movie needs more than just weapons training, he needed a skill set that would allow him to create an effective militant network in hostile territory, and being an ex-Army Special Forces soldier would provide him with exactly that sort of training.

@nikkinewbie6014

11 ай бұрын

Super interesting! He clearly has a very specialized skill set - not just Jo Schmoe. This backstory fits. He wasn’t meant to have one in this movie but nothing that happens in the movie makes it improbable and in fact there’s ample support for your take. I like it!

@romeisburning6739

11 ай бұрын

That's also why he has no traceable identity. Dude is/was some kind of high level operator.

@nikkinewbie6014

11 ай бұрын

@@romeisburning6739 Yup. The Powers That Be had to be able to disavow him with no way to trace him back to the source. 😂😂😂

@EmperorJ123

11 ай бұрын

Perhaps the Joker is fighting corruption on all sides. Weakening both in order to subvert society...

@shark8240

11 ай бұрын

most special operations units are well trained in unconventional warfare

Love that line "No, you. You...complete...me". Takes a lovely romcom line from Jerry Maquire that is part of our pop culture psyche, and turns it into an earnest statement from a deranged and diabolical madman. Brilliant.

This is definitely a unique and interesting take, I personally take the line "I think you and I are destined to do this forever" is more of a homage to the future rivalry the two has and I'd like to think that the two did fight for seemingly forever but... the idea that The Joker believes they'll fight "forever" but just end up dying in his cell is quite a sad but interesting way for the relationship to be seen and when you look at Dark Knight Rises, it's not out of the realms of possibility, unfortunately.

@nrthe2videos514

3 жыл бұрын

In the Dark Knight Rises, Joker is still alive but Bane kept him in his cell so he doesn't start any chaos. So he's alive, however rotten in jail.

@dayquanmoeller9738

3 жыл бұрын

@@nrthe2videos514 There are rumors that in earlier versions of the DKR script, the Scarecrow cameo was initially supposed to be a Joker appearance, which I assume would have been a bigger role.

@nrthe2videos514

3 жыл бұрын

@@dayquanmoeller9738 never knew that, that's pretty interesting.

@AAllen-br8it

3 жыл бұрын

@@nrthe2videos514 If this is the case that's pretty ironic, because in the original Knightfall story Joker is the FIRST person Bane prioritizes breaking out because of the distracting chaos he would inevitably cause. Out of curiosity, do you have any sources about the Bane keeping Joker locked up in TDKR?

@yarmen1268

3 жыл бұрын

I think that’s based only on the novelisation

What I love is they underestimate each other until first interaction and then from they go in two completely different direction psychology & emotionally You get the sense that Joker found his “why” in Batman and falls in love with the idea of combating Batman forever In contrast, you get a sense that Batman loses his “why” for being Batman in the Joker and hates the idea of combating Joker forever The idea of Batman was always meant to be a deterrent for criminality & chaos but Joker inspires it That realization terrifies Batman and brings joy to Joker That’s why Joker is so powerful because the war will always be fuel for Joker while it will always drain Batman and eventually Batman’s will would break first

I always liked an old idea from a comic I once read.... The Joker always knew Batman was Bruce Wayne. He figured it out, but guarded the secret as closely as Bruce did.... Simply because things were more interesting that way....

I've always said that despite the filmmakers' very best intentions to not reveal any concrete information about the joker's life before the start of the movie, that there actually is one small, but notable, piece of information that they accidentally revealed in the police station scene. At some point in the past... ...The Joker saw Jerry Maguire.

@thankyoujodi

3 жыл бұрын

Checked it out at blockbuster, never returned that shit

@emidom2004

11 ай бұрын

FACT!

@palamabron2481

11 ай бұрын

​@@thankyoujodiOr maybe he returned it but didn't rewind. Truly devious.

@milton7763

11 ай бұрын

You had me at ‘actually’. YOU HAD ME AT ‘ACTUALLY’!

@darkcornholio

10 ай бұрын

How did they show that?

Joker: "i think you and i are destined to do this forever" Batman *raspy* : yo peanut butter jail forever

However, if you have ever Been a soldier then you know that absolutely nothing goes to plan. In the Army is common knowledge that plan A never survives first contact. There is a lot of winging it in the Military.

@3Rayfire

3 жыл бұрын

Which is also consistent with the Joker's stated world view.

@stephenglasse9756

3 жыл бұрын

Doesn't the joker mean that soldiers getting blown up is acceptable? We accept the fact that soldiers are injured and die because that's the nature of war. But when a judge or a mayor or a journalist or a hospital gets destroyed it's different. In real life ISIS walk into a maternity unit in Afghanistan and machine gun babies and mother's but nobody cares! "It's all part of the plan"=it's to be expected. But when one black man is killed by a white cop then..."everybody loses their minds".

@josecopas

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenglasse9756 Yeah, but people usually dies in war, I mean, It is something they are willing to do for their country or cause, but cops are not supposed to kill people, at least in my country

I can’t fully describe it - but I always get chills just thinking about the relationship between Joker and Batman. In every timeline, by every destiny or fate - the two of them will ALWAYS be tethered together.

@gothamwarrior

10 ай бұрын

“You know, sometimes I wonder if all of this is going to end with one of us looking down at the other’s corpse, trying to figure out what to do next. The only question is… whose body will it be?”

“The Batman gives the Joker something to live for” I love this statement because it can describe the relation between any great villain and their respective hero. (Moriarty vs Sherlock Holmes)

I personally like to think that during the eight years between The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, the Joker got out of Arkham a few times. After maybe, seven times, seeing Batman decay physically, only donning the suit to take him down, the Joker kind of gives in. Because "it's just no fun anymore!" I like to think the Joker makes riots in Arkham for fun because he's bored and likes watching his fellow inmates get slowly hunted down by the cops on a TV in Arkham.

After 12 years of TDK, the movie still holds as the best superhero movie of all time

@DeathWithinTenSteps

11 ай бұрын

in my opinion one of the greatest action films of all time and one of the greatest crime thrillers of all time aswell. to me, it's simply one of the greatest movies of all time. it's one of the very few films i can think of where you could essentially just remove the protagonist from the story and replace him/her with any generic protagonist and it would still be amazing. very good storytelling and very good acting.

This movie is a perfect example of: Even if the setup doesnt pay off (Heath's Joker in another Nolan movie) the audience will be fine if you make a good movie first. With all these bloggers calling wolf everytime ANYTHING is hinted at, its ok that Joker didnt pan out, because the movie itself was so good.

@dayquanmoeller9738

3 жыл бұрын

This reminds of the Last Jedi. Love it or hate it, the expectation held by some viewers that "Broom boy" was set up for a spin off is pretty absurd.

@shmavster4209

3 жыл бұрын

Dayquan Moeller well I mean there’s a difference between teasing a character that U have no interest in doing anything with, only giving 1 quick scene of screen time and not bringing back the main villain of a movie for a sequel

I always say that while Mark Hamill had the best Joker voice, Heath Ledger just is and always will be the best portrayal of the Joker, by far. It’s definitely one of the finest performances ever made by anyone.

@dubbingsync

3 жыл бұрын

Finbarr D'Arcy he certainly was the best for live action. Because as much as I love Hamill as the Joker I can’t see him working in live action at any age.

@ironforged2329

3 жыл бұрын

HE IS THE BEST JOKER yes I agree! But as the best portrayal, nah. I can list a lot of reasons but here's the basics: he's not insane, he's not born out of the Ace Chemical, his smile is not a grin but a scar, he's wearing a makeup when he should be milk-white-skinned, and lastly his face isn't slim as it should be. I agree that he is the best Joker and I love him but he is not the best portrayal.

@gingercat5996

3 жыл бұрын

Heaven Barruga I agree, heath’s version is very different from the comics. He is a terrorist whereas the comics version is a maniac

@thepillowhead2453

3 жыл бұрын

Gingercat 59 correction: anarchist

@gingercat5996

3 жыл бұрын

The Pillowhead oh yeah, my mistake

I love the Dark Knight,but I love Rises as well. I wish people gave it more love.

As usual, you introduced a fresh, new and interesting analysis of an already saturated topic. Never regretted subscribing to your channel since your thanks deserved to win video

@FullFatVideos

3 жыл бұрын

this made my day thank you!

@aryan7767

3 жыл бұрын

Thanos*

The Joker hanging upside facing Batman at the end is the image of Yin-Yang but inverted. The Bat is supposed to be upside down, not the clown.

I have 2 questions Why do people keep making Dark Knight video essays? And why the hell do I keep watching them and love them so much?

In terms of live-action Jokers put on film, for me, both Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix defined the Joker and took him to a whole new different level.

@MrGreaves

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@palladiamorsdeus

3 жыл бұрын

Disagreed. Joaquin did an amazing job...but he wasn't the Joker. The only Joker-esque moment in the movie was when he stabbed his former co-worker out of nowhere. Otherwise the movie just borrows the name.

@MrGreaves

3 жыл бұрын

Palladiamors meh. I dunno man. The ending heavily suggests this was all just a joke to him, a very convoluted and fucked up joke that could explain why he is the joker. But guess we won’t know until the sequel..

@footl0se

3 жыл бұрын

@@palladiamorsdeus Agreed, and hes just pathetic too, same society bullshit.

@yasmin9473

3 жыл бұрын

when was phoenix joker? you meant last 2 minutes where he acted like second coming of hannibal?

I noticed this, Nolan or someone on the crew said they didn't want to give the Joker an arc. But they DID give him an arc. And it was perfect or at least really really good.

Actually the best batman villain is Killer Moth

@bizzareshark6649

3 жыл бұрын

Actually it’s condiment man. He’s gonna shoot you with ketchup for saying he’s not the best

@Laesis

3 жыл бұрын

You both forget... Polka Dot Man!

@jackychang9148

3 жыл бұрын

@@bizzareshark6649 Dammit! You beat me to it.

@jackychang9148

3 жыл бұрын

Nah. I think that goes to sometimes friend, sometimes enemy, always annoyance Batmite!

@awesomesharkhand1876

3 жыл бұрын

Kiteman, hell yeah!

I have a theory that Heath Ledgers joker instead of being ex-military he had heavy influence from the arts (drama/acting). He seems to have to prep himself for situations like an actor would. Giving himself different stories therefore adopting a different personality. Even when Batman is about to hit him he has to pep himself up "I want you to do it. I want you to hit me". The guy even wears clown makeup.

@amortality999

Жыл бұрын

The beauty of it is: there is no definitive backstory. There are limitless backstories that one can subscribe to.

@saccorhytus

10 ай бұрын

My theory is that the Joker is actually a grown up Manny Heffley from Diary of a Wimpy Kid

Perhaps somewhat superficial next to your analysis, but they share a significant in-universe similarity ─ _Their identities and origins are both a mystery._ The _audience/reader_ knows *Batman's* origin and identity. But within the world they inhabit, they are complete mysteries to one another (with a few likely exceptions, depending on the source material).

Seeing Full Fat Videos making an video on Ledgers Joker - "And here we go"

12 years later, nothing can beat this movie still

One of the coolest things about Nolan's Joker is that you can use your imagination with his origin and come up with your own conclusions. Like in my head I always imagine that whatever happened to this Joker that gave him his scars and made him snap, happened during the Narrows attack at the end of Batman Begins.

I feel like I've seen this video 100,000,000 times.

Not just the best batman villain...The best villain

I like the idea that this joker was once a soldier and you can definitely back up that theory.

@jonm3131

11 ай бұрын

Then became an ex-spec ops/ intelligence operator gone rogue

@munstersoldier

10 ай бұрын

I enjoyed your point of view! I think the same thing! I want to believe that The Joker is ex CIA. He was on an under cover mission with a group of "soldiers" where he was the lead tactician giving out commands for the mission. The mission went south and the truck load of soldiers were blown up. CIA wanted to keep in quiet but the Joker wanted to tell the soldier's families. The CIA told him if he can not keep his mouth shut, then they will help him keep it wide open! 🃏 The CIA cut the Joker's mouth and placed him in Arkham, so no one would believe him, where he had to become "The Joker" in order to survive the crazies in Arkham. He breaks out of Arkham and starts ripping off Mob dealers in Gotham. This explains the lack of finger prints, the proficiency of firearms, weapons and explosives, interrogation skills, tactical knowledge on how to rob a bank and the ability to infratrate a firing squad and prisoner escort convoy. I believe the movie drops hints and we have to be the detectives to put them all together. What are your thoughts?

I think it's refreshing to not have another origin story. It also adds fear to the Joker to not know his origin. I'm getting really tired of origin story pattern in movies because we have so many reboots and deconstructions that all we ever get is origin stories. The Dark Knight, Terminator 2, The Empire Strikes Back are some of the few movies that actually successfully moved the story along and improved upon the original. Usually the origin story is the best one in the franchise and after that no one knows what to write. I suspect it's the same problem we have in life were we know how to grow up but have no idea what to do with it.😅

The scariest thing about the Joker is that since he has no canon origin, we tend to imagine him as this great force of evil and chaos, but then you have to contend with the fact that it is possible, likely even, that he was once just an ordinary man who snapped. Be it a failed comedian, a two-bit crook or an injured soldier. He is a reflection of the darkness that dwells in all of us, waiting for something to set it free. And laughing.

*Because it was a Batman movie yet we felt that The Joker was the Protagonist* Kudos to Christopher Nolan

@Karami42

3 жыл бұрын

This is also why Infinity war was so good, Thanos was the main character.

@palladiamorsdeus

3 жыл бұрын

Not even remotely close or true. In fact that's got to be the dumbest thing I have heard today.

@colet.1270

3 жыл бұрын

Joker pretty much was the protagonist. He got harvey and gordon to arrest or kill most of the cities corrupt officials. He got rid of the mafia and erased any kind of organized crime in gotham. And because of all that, he took care the the cities vigilante problem by forcing the Batman into hiding because there was no major crime for nearly 8 years.

@thatch8537

Жыл бұрын

@@palladiamorsdeus thats called controversy my friend

I would've loved to have seen nolans original plans for the dark knight rises

Heath ledgers joker in my opinion is one of the best because of how he acted with it and then how he went to deep into the roll when you look at the story’s and stuff of him isolating him self applying his own makeup and then some of the “unscripted” scenes worked to well he aslso made the little lick thing to keep the makeup on and it works he also just played the role to well

I think Nolan chose to do a trilogy only because of Batmans rogue's gallery, and how he can tell 3 semi-self contained stories all from the view of Bruce Wayne at different stages in his life with different obstacles and villains with different motivations (for the most part)

The answer: Literally just Heath Ledger

Another interesting thing that I noticed is that both the Joker and Batman share the same eye makeup so maybe this means that they can relate to one another even if they're so different as they both have traumatic pasts

It would have been amazing to see Joker and Batman fight forever. I believe Nolan got the relationship between them both down perfect. They both are always fighting, but seemingly can’t live without each other.

Pretty good analysis on the Joker / Batman dichotomy, great use of editing in the key scenes and dialogue in the film to validate your theory. Great job.

@RyanPerrella

11 ай бұрын

And I must say I never caught the things you pointed out that would give credence to Joker being a former soldier, that seems logical, we know Nolan had a plan for origin even if it’s not presented directly in the film, again I hadn’t heard this until you nail it in the first minute.

@FullFatVideos

11 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

Trust me, The Joker didn't ROT in jail. He RULED the jail. From what we know of The Joker, even the guards were probably scared of him and became HIS bitches

@rockon609

3 жыл бұрын

Liam Sagiv jesus christ its a movie..

@techbro_4309

3 жыл бұрын

For exactly this reason, they would keep him seperated from the other prisoners, because Joker is a master manipulator, he can easily influence the weak minded prisoners and start a revolt or hack master plan to break out, or better yet he doesn't even need to leave prison, he can just pull the strings from inside.

@HeatyFrog

11 ай бұрын

@@rockon609 and what? People aren't allowed to talk about it?

@rockon609

11 ай бұрын

@@HeatyFrog people are allowed to talk about it maybe you missed the point is that what the dude is saying is Cringe AF talking about fictional cops being fictional bitches to a fictional clown, with 100% seriousness. Almost as cringe as those people who do joker faces but not on the same level. Glad we cleared that up

@zaynes5094

11 ай бұрын

@@rockon609 Sure it's fictional, but it's not necessary complete fiction. Ever heard of Jack The Ripper? Pretty sure he's as close as we will ever get to pure evil in this world, and while police have narrowed it to about 4 individuals, all males, it still has not been fully finalized. All those women he butchered, all prostitutes who were too afraid to even leave their homes, all people who were scrounging around for weapons to protect their families all because a deranged psychopath was on the loose.

I like how Heath got his 'voice' for the Joker based on a ventriloquist's dummy -- a dual-personality motif that fits him, as if an inner Self is speaking through his 'mask' of white face-paint, doing an 'act' that he finds amusing, even if others don't. And Bruce Wayne, too, masks his own voice when he's dressed as Batman, so they share this trait, though the Batman voice is made to be gravelly and scary, rather than like a ventriloquist's dummy. As much as I enjoyed Jack Nicholson's version of the Joker, Heath Ledger's performance just excelled it in every way imaginable.

"Nothing happened to me, Agent Starling. I happened. You can't reduce me to a set of impulses."

@Sinewmire

3 жыл бұрын

@James Lucas very possibly. That's what happens when one quotes from memory late at night!

Another scene that supports your theory is the talk show scene with the Waynetech employee who is ready to tell the world who Batman is. Joker calls in and says he changed his mind. He doesn't want to know anymore, and sics the public on the man.

Easily the greatest movie villain ever. No matter what happens in the film, he always is the one with all of the power in the film. The only other villain I think that can really compete with him is Darth Vader.

0:20 That's not really an original idea, the Joker has always been a bit obscure with his origin story. In fact he has claimed two dozen different origins through the years.

The way Heath delivers the "I don't wanna kill you, what would I do without you." is so perfect. The inflections make him seem authentically in love with their dynamic and the line is so perfect that if he didn't say they were destined to do it forever you could already gleem that he has already decided that they would. Also always thought him using the dogs + crowbar scene was awesome. Well the movies awesome but it seemed like such a joker move when all plans fail he trys to win anyways being physically outmatched.

This Joker was so good because he wasn’t over-written. It helps that the performance was so great, obviously. But screen writers tend to overwrite some of their characters but this version of the joker was perfect.

Isn’t it weird how some of the best villains in media have the least amount of screen time expect thanos maybe. Vaas from far cry is an example.

Interestingly enough, Arkham Origins’ way of introducing and developing the Batman-Joker relationship is very similar to this. Both take a lot of inspiration from Batman #1 and Killing Joke.

I guess someone played arkham origins recently, As for the mob money, I think he did do it to scam the fuck outta them, he’s only burning “his half” but then kills the rest of the mob, so the other half is still technically is, which gets burnt too, and “it’s not about money, it’s about sending a message”

I have a lot of problems with Nolan's Batman, while still acknowledging these are the best portrayals of Batman we've had on the big screen. But the fact that studio executives were worried because Nolan didn't want the Joker to have a backstory just shows how much Hollywood doesn't understand Batman.

You and I are destined to do this forever

Did you know that because of Heath Ledger's death, Nolan needed an explanation for why the Joker doesn't make an appearance in the third film. So in the official Canon of Nolan's Batman universe, Joker discovers Jordan Peterson videos and watches them from Arkym Asylum and he starts getting his life together and just becomes a normal guy

I had never really thought about "Dark Knight" as being an origin story for the Joker, rather than the Joker having one that's just hidden, and here's him coming to Gotham because Batman already interested him. The thought that maybe he just arrived, THEN found his equal and decided to become the Joker in full is interesting and never occurred to me.

One of the best performances of all time.

I always thought the character arc was Harvey Dent becoming Two-Face. This is what made the movie so powerful (aside from the amazing performance of Heath Ledger). Batman and Joker are just going at each other. Harvey is the reason we care. He is the one who changes because he loses everything.

This actually makes SO MUCH SENSE!

I'm really curious what they would have done with the joker in the third film, but it kind of makes sense in universe that the joker would think him and batman would face off forever but just end up in a cell forever

One theory was Joker was potentially ex Special Forces probably presumed Dead hence why Bruce couldn't find an ID from his super system.

@peaknonsense2041

2 жыл бұрын

By far the most probable. Likely Special Operations Group, a group within Special Activities Center which is tailored to unconventional warfare. Their motto is "Tertia Optio" or Third Option. Meaning when political action and military action are unfeasible, they're the third option for national security objectives.

I worked on the set of The Batman. Imagine a introverted Heath Ledger Joker. That is literally Paul Danos Riddler. You will be blown away.

@thankyoujodi

3 жыл бұрын

Hope you're right. Been waiting for something good since heath.

Sick Equilibrium reference! I'd LOVE to see an analysis of that. Haven't watched that film since I was a pre-teen. Need that refresh.

Gold content as always.

The mystery around him was one of the things that made him so appealing & interesting…..people like a certain amount of mystery in some instances…..it’s hard to believe in these times but back in the day people didn’t know what Pink Flyod looked like & they were HUGE,same thing with Zeppelin on a smaller scale,Tool is the most recent & successful example of this 🖤y’all be safe 🥶

Yesssss more full fat! 😄

The Joker was the Joker from the first shot of that mask on the corner while he waited for the rest of the crew t pick him up. The other guys in his gang referred to him as The Joker, so I think his becoming had already happened, and he just evolved with the opportunities presented to him.

I hope the KZreadrs never stop making joker videos

@FullFatVideos

3 жыл бұрын

I make lots of other videos but thanks for being catty

Wow. This is a great take!

One thing that I'm dying to know is the story that he was going to tell Batman about his scars. After seeing how he adapted this story previously to each listener, it probably would have something to do with Bruces parents but I would so love to know it.

@munstersoldier

11 ай бұрын

I like to believe that the Joker would of told The Batman the true story of how he got the scars. He drops hints as to what he has gone throught in the movie. Then he would of cut Batman but not kill him. Batman would have to permanently be Batman after he gets cut because once he takes off his mask everyone is going to see Bruce Wayne's face cut. So he stays as Batman permanently and constantly fights the Joker. The Joker's sick dream comes true! Great Movie! The Joker could not tell a story of Bruce's parents. He doesn't know the true identity of The Batman. But by cutting him, he does not need to know who Batman really is.

@giveematug7093

11 ай бұрын

​@@munstersoldieroh but my friend you didnt pay attention. Like Nolans opening line in the prestige "are you watching closely?" The joker does indeed know who batman is. Its always in nolans writing/script. When he says "you know for a second there, I really thought you were harvey!" "The way you threw yourself after her!" And with ...."Does Harvey know about you and his little bunny?!!" The Joker is implying he knows that batman has some sort of connection to Rachel. He could tell ( hes good at reading people and batman did indeed throw himself rather hastly after Rachel, more than he would of with a regular person) and when the Joker makes this very keen observation being as intelligent as he is he puts two & two together. It wouldnt be hard for the joker from that moment in the film to look into rachels past and figure out who Bruce was. A very close childhood friend, rich, and who lost both parents at 8. Not like rachel would have a lot of those type of friends. This is also why I think the joker planned both rachels & Harveys demise so intelligently. Notice when gordon ask batman which he is going after batman replies with "Rachel!!!" Leaving gordon to go after Harvey. Problem is the joker anticiapted this ( knowing who batman is by this point) and switched the addresses on purpose. Knowing that ol bats would go for his love over Harvey/justice. Thus both scarring Bruce and Harvey. Two birds, one stone. He is very intelligent afterall, and was always one step ahead of all in film. Oh yes. The joker by the halfway point in film knew who Batman was. Hence having fun with him. Had he been able to finish his line about the scars at the end, I honestly think he would of revealed to batman he knew who he was making him the ultimate threat, especially for another film with Heath. Its very subtle, but thats Nolans style. Are you watching closely?

@munstersoldier

10 ай бұрын

@@giveematug7093 Thank you for your detailed reply! I really enjoy the movie and it seems you did too! I do have a question. If Joker was able to figure out who Batman was when he dropped Rachel out the window, why hasn't anyone else at the party figure out who Batman is too? There were many people at that party that witnessed the same exact thing that Joker did, if not more. Bruce gets out of a helicopter and asked where Rachel Dawes was and introduce her and says "... she is my oldest friend..." . The entire party heard and witnessed that introduction, they witness the fight and Batman jumping out the window after her. At that point everyone would assume that it was Harvey Dent. Everyone learns that Harvey Dent is not Batman during the chase scene. But, during the interrogation of Joker, Joker says "Does Harvey know about you and his little bunny?". There are 8 Major Crimes Unit members that are tasked with figuring out who Batman is, and they were watching the interrogation. Wuertz is the one who let the Joker into the Penthouse and he himself witnessed the interrogation. After the interrogation Gordon ask who Batman is going after and he replies Rachel. Why? Because out of the two, Rachel is 1000% innocent! The mob and the Joker want Harvey Dent dead. Rachel is used as a pawn so the Joker can get away again. We also know this from the end of the movie when Gordon's family is held hostage by Dent. Dent states that the battle was within the three Dent, Gordon and Batman. Long/short, Bruce Wayne's 'pals' at the party and those men and women trained in the Major Crimes Unit can not figure out who Batman is even when the Joker shows up at Bruce Wayne's penthouse party, where Batman shows up and saves Rachel Dawes who is Harvey Dents girlfriend and Bruce Wayne's long time friend. But the Joker can, because he has Google? I really enjoyed the movie and it seems you did too!

@giveematug7093

10 ай бұрын

​​​​​@@munstersoldierI suppose the short answer would be that the others at the party arent supposed to figure it out ( for whatever reason, they are rich and maybe too preoccupied with party/a lil drunk, of arent intelligent enough to do so, bruce did uphold an image of being another "rich playboy" that is kinda too white collar, or in this instance its not what Nolan intended) they are afterall all in fear, and a lil drunk. Plus your point is very good! One would think that the rich at Bruces party would indeed make the connection between Rachel & Bruce, but the trouble with that is everyone knows that they are childhood friends and its not unusual. Also no one at party heard the joker make the statement to batman about him and his lil bunny ( but godon and cops do lol behind 2 way glass) So I suppose that it wasnt Nolans intention to have anyone else figure it out ( afterall in comics very few actually do) and to have Joker be the one to imply that he knows. Also many of the police were in dissary and mostly trying to deal with the chaos created by Joker throughout. When it comes to switching the adresses with Rachel & Harvey I truly believe that he did so knowing that Batman is Bruce. And knowing that would anticipate him going after Rachel ( long time love, his last shot at love without the cape). Joker also knew it would hurt both men. 2 birds one stone. Havey becomes twisted after and Bruce is quite shaken which was the Jokers intent ( it also confirms what he suspected that bats is indeed Bruce Wayne) Bruce would also go after Rachel obviously because thats his love and last chance ( least Bruce thinks so before he meets catwoman) so it would be gordon that would think its because she is innocent. Its very personal at that point for ol Bruce. Joker knew this. Bruce going after Rachel has nothing to do with dent. Its too personal for him. Again the people at the party already knew rachel & bruce are childhood friends so they woudlnt exactly suspect Bruce as batman. And I dont think Joker would simply use google to dig into rachels past to figure out who bruce is, but would learn of the waynes getting shot and possibly make a connection that most wouldnt even think of. The rich dont exactly dig much or look deep into things lol. But yes the cops that watch the interrogation scene are a lil hard to believe that they couldnt put 2 & 2 together and figure it out also ( but again everyone already knows bruce & rachel are friends and that bruces parents died) so they would naturally assume nothing is amiss. But if the joker looked at it not like the rest he could infact indeed make the connection. As far as most are concerned Bruce is just a rich playboy certainly not capable of being the "batman" considering he appears to be a "rich snob" type. Yes, I really enjoyed this film. One of my top 5 ( I'm 40 and remember watching Batman '89 at 7) and I'm so very glad you enjoyed it too! With a really good perspective ( your points are very valid & make sense, but not even Nolan is perfect lol) Oh and I just also realised that the rich ppl at his party wouldnt suspect bruce as batman because bruce made sure that the two ppl that saw him go into a panic room ( after he disarms thug and slips away from the party unnoticed, taking advantage of the joker having everyones attention) as they were fooling around were the only two. She even says "oh youve got to be kidding me!" As her and man watch as bruce slips into panic room. At this point Bruce would be considered a coward, spoiled rich kid lol that ran and hid in a panic room lol. Also being a lil drunk would add to it also. ( the two that see him dont look that bright and wouldnt think that bruce goes into room to change into batman, but to hide because he has to play a "persona") Hope that last observation makes sense. No one at party would suspect bruce as he was seen running and hiding in a panic room. Its a solid Alibi.

100 years from now when people study film they will always study this film for the great acting not just with Heath but from everyone. I mean Heath was as amazing but so was the others, I would've liked to see the Two Face character continue but it is what it is.

The great thing about this joker is that you can interpret him in any way shape or form and it wont be wrong

Chris Rock said it best a few years ago: “What ever happened to crazy?”

Great video i love watching stuff about ledgers joker. Only shame was the short runtime compared to your other videos

Great performance from Heath

The “thin blue line” is a mile wide compared to this “thin Bat line”, and the joker wanted to see if he could break it.

Nice take. Simple but foundational for the character. You've earned a sub.

I think he's figuring his goals as he goes. But I also think that he wants to make up a team. To fight something bigger than Gotham's criminals. But how do you make someone to see the world as you do? To see the bigger picture. To see the source and not the symptom? He's also clearly is going through some deep crisis of his own. But he's okay with whatever happens.

Really well done video. Great analysis.

@FullFatVideos

11 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

@PhelesDragon

11 ай бұрын

@@FullFatVideos you're welcome. It's amazing how no one's ever really covered Joker's growth across the movie. It's sort of this unspoken thing, knowing his objective shifts across the film, which is odd for a villain in itself, but to have it actually pointed out and recognized as an arc of sorts, that's great stuff.

Great voice, narration, exhibition, content and execution! You got me to subscribe!

@FullFatVideos

11 ай бұрын

Welcome aboard!

3:16 everything about that part of the video was beautiful

I really don’t understand this anxiousness to find a back story in the details. A big part of what made the Joker work so well in The Dark Knight was leaving it as a complete mystery who this guy is and what’s really driving him. That’s captured well in Alfred’s speech (‘…can’t be reasoned with. Can’t be bargained with. Some men just want to see the world burn’). and the ever changing back story of his scars. Like with horror/monster movies, the audience’s own imagination and unconscious are always way more effective in creating a threat than the depiction of one. In monster movies eventually you have to show your monster but the more clearly you show it, the more it takes _away_ from the impression it leaves on you. Nolan found a way to have his cake _and_ eat it: you see the ‘monster’ and yet you don’t.

Awesome video but it could have been longer. Still, great job!

This is an incredible analysis

as a writer i love this video, viewing the movie as a sort of double whammy secret origin story for the joker, i love when many little details subtly come together to add something new to the whole story

If The Dark Knight is Joker's origin story, then it's already the sequel. Gordon already told Batman about escalation at the end of Batman Begins. And the Joker has already started his crime spree then.

I like that the Joker is implied to rot in a cell, him appearing in another film would have only weakened his impact in TDK

theat shot at 3:50 is one of the most iconic shots in the whole trilogy.

I don’t think the Joker should have been a main villain again. But if Ledger had lived it would have been cool to see him during the Bane siege. Like maybe he breaks out and is temporarily on the side of the good guys. But gets thrown back in Arkham win the fighting is over, only to mourn the passing of his nemesis

On my way to see The Dark Knight in the cinema right now!

i subscribe to patton oswalt's theory that he's ex-military in uprooting enemy infrastructure (town destroyer, anarchy division) then gets burned by his government/CO - and keeps the anarchy going cause he chooses to. As opposed to Killmonger in black panther, same military division, who usurped places and tries again for personal gain, then genocide as means to serve his people.

RIP loved heath ledger in batman