Really enjoyed this episode. One of the most requested guests this year! Enjoy!

@jasonpollock5611

3 жыл бұрын

Have you released any public statements about your music? I was really upset when it disappeared from Spotify.

@crayola8skies

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Coleman, this is soul-healing.

@TheSunlight74

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant conversation

@andyk2181

3 жыл бұрын

This felt more like a relaxing chin wag among friends that the usual take-on-the-world hardcore intellectual debate. More tea anyone?

@learningvidz4kidz989

3 жыл бұрын

This video went by too quickly. So nice to listen to smart, rational people discussing issues and letting me know that I haven't lost my mind in this new world of insanity.

A black man and a gay man walk into a room ... and have an absolutely fascinating conversation that has nothing to do with being black or gay.

@donaldobama7204

3 жыл бұрын

How all interactions should be.

@sophieoshaughnessy9469

3 жыл бұрын

Fresh Air!

@koolkev2020able

3 жыл бұрын

@keith, By mentioning these things you're part of the problem.

@ullscarf

3 жыл бұрын

@@donaldobama7204 And were until recently!

@lewis20002000

3 жыл бұрын

As a black guy, I loved the conversation. This is what happens when we're honest about making the world a better place.

I love Murray’s fairness, and honesty, “If you aren’t supposed to be ashamed of [something] then you shouldn’t be proud of it either.” This is another example of the idea of over-correcting an error that has been made for some length of time in our history.

@SkanderBibani

3 жыл бұрын

Murray's creativity is really superb

"They write atrociously, because they think atrociously." -Douglas Murray on CRT writers. Damn.

@mogznwaz

3 жыл бұрын

Truth! I ❤ Douglas Murray

@CVLFMG

3 жыл бұрын

Any CRT writer > Douglas Murray

@mogznwaz

3 жыл бұрын

@@CVLFMG Umm no. Douglas Murray > any CRT writer

@tteot1wph

3 жыл бұрын

I love Douglas Murray but his writing is not my favorite

@jameslove-vani797

3 жыл бұрын

Emotionally, intellectually and historically illiterate

"They are setting up a game that is arranged for their own intellectual comfort" PERFECT ANALYSIS, Douglas! And by the way, anyone who states that they cannot explain a concept that they want people to accept should immediately be discredited. (Kendi)

@patrickdonovan5507

3 жыл бұрын

Douglas' quote got me also..

@TheAnniegoo

3 жыл бұрын

When someone says they want to “unpack” an idea, that’s a red flag. It often means they are going to unload a bunch of hooey to try to make sense of the nonsensical.

@idontknowman399

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheAnniegoo I usually find it an indicator that the person is putting some thought behind the idea put forward, which tells me they rely on evidence to at least a degree. This then suggests that they can change their mind if what they consiquently unpack is shown to be flawed. What has happened to make you see it as a red flag? I find this process of analysis to be a good one.

Intelligent human conversation. Nothing to beat it.

@terrythetuffkunt9215

3 жыл бұрын

Yet coleman coted for biden, just to continue the intersectionality he hates so much LOL

@disitinerant

3 жыл бұрын

@@terrythetuffkunt9215 To be fair, the other option was Trump.

When Douglas leaves the room I'm always like "COME BACK I WANT TO HEAR MORE!"

@scpplumbing7118

3 жыл бұрын

Masochist

Two of my favorites on one podcast. This is gonna be good. Regards a listener in cold Norway.

@aaoppe

3 жыл бұрын

Samme her.

@evanwakelin7944

3 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to hear this one. Greetings from a somewhat less cold part of Canada.

@kjellbjrnasmo480

3 жыл бұрын

@@aaoppe artig å støte på en annen nordmann 😊 dette blir bra

@sverre1611

3 жыл бұрын

Norge!!

@MultiMiriam85

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. From Faroe Islands (Færøerne) ☺️

THANK YOU for talking about "good" & "bad" writing. I am an high school art teacher and I can tell you that so many students at the high school level have difficulty constructing a clear and understandable SENTENCE, let alone a clear and understandable paragraph or essay. And what horrifies me is that there are actually educators who are calling for teachers to stop correcting students' grammar, vocabulary, spelling and punctuation in their written work. My obvious question is, how will students learn to write in order to be understood if teachers do not correct student writing???

@AspasiaB

3 жыл бұрын

I ran into this ridiculousness as a writing tutor at the university level. The directors of our writing center instructed us to be "gentle" in our corrections and frame them more as suggestions than factual corrections. It was infuriating. But a doctoral student privately hired me as his tutor for three years because he appreciated by direct manner in correcting his grammar.

@machtnichtsseimann

3 жыл бұрын

@@AspasiaB * "by direct manner" should be "my direct manner"? ;-)

@machtnichtsseimann

3 жыл бұрын

Amen to that! ( "an high school teacher" should be "a high school teacher" :-D )

@AspasiaB

3 жыл бұрын

@@machtnichtsseimann Yes it should. I'm usually better at catching autocorrect before I hit enter.

@machtnichtsseimann

3 жыл бұрын

@@AspasiaB ( My friends get annoyed when I go Spelling/Grammar Nazi on their @ss. I was just poking you in good fun. I've lashed my back 1000 times with a wet noodle when after-the-fact I saw my post had errors. )

I don't know why, but I love the cadence of Douglas Murray's voice. It's as if he's treating everything he's saying like it's poetry.

@markrymanowski719

29 күн бұрын

He comes from a privileged background. People like him always have a pleasant demeanor. It's breeding.

@TheDivayenta

15 күн бұрын

The Simon Cowell of Philosophy!

2 of the best out. The Madness of Crowds is essential reading to understand what is happening presently in the world

@kjellbjrnasmo480

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. The strange death of Europe as well. The madness of crowds is more significant at the moment ,but the subject of SDoE is also still very much relevant.

@keitharrowsmith3682

3 жыл бұрын

The last

@stevenjm12

3 жыл бұрын

@@keitharrowsmith3682 what

@keitharrowsmith3682

3 жыл бұрын

Never disagreed with a single word Douglas has written or uttered. His books identify the attack on free thinking by the woke fraternity and islamisation and its repression of individual freedom . He offers little in the way of solutions his suggestion of “running a mile” from wokery does not deal with the infiltration and protecting Christendom by another battle of Vienna is not an optiom. I like to hear his thought on the rise of China

Wonderful conversation. I lean left politically but have deep respect for Douglas Murray's thinking.

@bnjmnwst

3 жыл бұрын

@Dusk Hollow I've always called & considered myself conservative, but I also always thought the core of conservatism was common sense. Unfortunately, all of these terms have varying meanings to different people. I've come to the conclusion that the best thing to do is to dispense with such terms, which are meant to convey much more meaning than the bare words, themselves, & simply deal in issues, whether we agree that an issue is actually an issue, how big an issue it is, & how we might solve it. When the terms we use don't mean the same things to us, such as "conservative" & "common sense," perhaps we should set them aside. They've lost their usefulness, maybe. The alternative is to agree upon definitions for them.

@Andy-wy7vk

3 жыл бұрын

Im center left but traditional not posmodern. I love Murray

@AMikeStein

2 жыл бұрын

@@bnjmnwst I really like this comment. I think that this is exactly what needs to happen to make any progress in anything. As long as people blindly identify these terms they automatically keep themselves from meeting in the middle to do anything constructive. It’s the whole I’m over here and you’re over there and there is no middle ground.

Thank you for recommending Ground News, I think this is EXACTLY what the world needs

One of the best, most interesting interviews with Douglas Murray. Coleman's calm manner perfectly suits this type of deep and thoughtful discussion

I wish guys like Coleman and loury could get real national tv time

@worsethanjoerogan8061

3 жыл бұрын

This kind of thing is the new primetime.

@terrythetuffkunt9215

3 жыл бұрын

Why? Coleman voted for biden. Coleman voted for BLM. He is a joke.

@kham6006

3 жыл бұрын

@@terrythetuffkunt9215 agreed , changed my thoughts on Coleman a bit ,, he has tds

This conversation is a flare on the path. Thank you!

Douglas Murray articulates very clearly, the problems of the current “social justice” climate in The Madness of Crowds.

So glad to hear your comment about buddhism understanding that more is not better and Mr Murray's quoting St Paul's conflict with self and actions. Ancient wisdom needs continued emphasis! Thank you both!

If nothing else, a conversation like this helps you see and assimilate how complex thought can be articulated and expanded. Not in 90 second bubble-headed segments on establishment media, but here in the plane of long form human discourse. Bravo!

@TheDivayenta

15 күн бұрын

Sometimes I think the art of conversation is lost today.

The ending was superb. Two men that just had an honest conversation and in mutual respect for each other saying good bye. It`s these little moments that I witness, and as they stand out I feel hope for our culture.

I love you guys! For real. I am so, so grateful for your work.

Excellent conversation. Would happily pay for more !

Dougie sure is tight-lipped about his bicep routine...

@synthesizerneil

3 жыл бұрын

No routine. Just the testosterone of a real man

@calstonjew

3 жыл бұрын

Red meat and crunches... AND CUT SOY OUT OF YOUR DIET!

@abdimojo8794

3 жыл бұрын

@@calstonjew soy delicious. Soy is love, soy is life.🥛

@calstonjew

3 жыл бұрын

@@abdimojo8794 ghey

@disitinerant

3 жыл бұрын

@@calstonjew Even the sauce?

I simply adore Douglas Murray. Imho he certainly has found his calling in the world. And his dry humour is marvellous. Thank you, a most enjoyable interview!

"Progress that ends with the brilliant arrival of you". Priceless. And it's an attitude that I think really gained sway with my baby boomer generation, and has now reached a toxic stage.

Fascinating conversation, many thanks. The quote from Paul around 51:00 is from Romans 7. It is worth pointing out that Christians are listening to both of you. Indeed Douglas's comments about the church in the UK have been sobering, accurate and prophetic in equal measure.

@Apriluser

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Douglas grew up in the CofE (I am new to the Anglican Church in thebUS -ACNA) but found it less than satisfying as the priests and bishops sounded like they didn’t believe what they were espousing. Too bad he was part of the Church that had lost its way. 😐

“Why would I read a critical race theory book when I could be reading Rilke?” That’s it in a sentence.

Give people an amazing conversation and they will still complain about the audio clipping short a few times. Please, there is so much positive here. Let that be the focus.

@sirriffsalot4158

3 жыл бұрын

It's actually pretty bad... It becomes work after a while, trying to figure out how he's ending sentences or using in-between words :-/

Douglas Murray is a gift! Thanks for this excellent conversation!

The noise gate threshold is way too high. Voices cut out too quickly at the end of statements and too slow to open when talking starts. Especially with a guest who uses space in his speaking, when he pauses it sounds like he's done talking.

@TheClassicWorld

3 жыл бұрын

Is that a style? I think Sam Harris' podcast is a bit like that, too (or used to be). Maybe he needs to hire a pro to fix it, or is it to fix any white noise issues from the background, so he has to mess around with the settings to just pick up the voices (which would indicate that he needs better soundproofing or something)?

Thank you for the Ground News tip! I am starved for real unbiased news!

What a stimulating conversation! One of your best. I was disappointed when it ended

Yes !! I’ve been waiting for this forever. Coleman and Douglas teased this on Twitter and Instagram over a month ago...

Excited to listen to this episode!

I have so looked forward to this! Two of my absolute favourites. Thank you both ever so much ✨

It means so much to hear conversations like this. Really appreciate both of you.

Really looking forward to this. Just in time for my christmas holiday, no less.

Brilliant interview. Insightful and inspiring. Thank you. I needed this and didn't even know it.

The first sponsor I'm excited about! What a brilliant idea, been thinking that something like this should exist for a while now. Fantastic!!

I am impressed that these two scholars speak so respectfully and patiently about people and ideas that disgust me. I think that's the best lesson of the whole conversation. My respect and thanks to Coleman and Douglas.

Installed the app in first two minutes. I have been looking for something that brings balance. Thanks for the advice

Two of the best. I have been listening to a lot of DM lately, but somehow this conversation brought out new depth. Thank you.

Best interview of 2020! My 2 favourite thinkers 🙌🏻💙🥰🤩

I really needed this conversation. Thank you.

Great conversation! Two of the best, together at last. Wonderful!

Thank you, I really enjoyed this conversation.

Thank you for this conversation Mr. Hughes. I appreciate your work. Mr. Murray impresses as usual.

Great conversation Coleman...I'm recommending you to many people...your thinking is clear, honest and open...greetings from Ireland

Outstanding. Thank you both for this.

So encouraged by this conversation. Thanks so much to you both, gentlemen. Keep fighting the good fight. Cheers!

Always erudite and thoughtful. Thank you for offering moderate careful conversations.

Two of my heroes smashing brains together, outstanding. Thanks so much for organising this Coleman. Happy Christmas too from out here on the net.

@JAMZ1960

3 жыл бұрын

To you as well...

Love both of you guys. Thanks for a great episode, Coleman.

Thank you Coleman for this thought provoking conversation.

This is so good! Thanks Coleman

I’ve been looking forward to this.

Shared it. Great interview. Keep'em comin'.

This has been in my watch later for so long, I'm glad that I've watched it. Also downloaded Ground News.

Excellent conversation. Thank you.

Excellent conversation, thanks guys

Absolutely love both these guys, this should be great. Also ground news looks brilliant.

I really like Ground News and I'm glad you are promoting it.

Best episode yet. We need more critical thinkers to start calling out the new regime

Just relistened to this one for the 4th time. Two titans at their finest.

That was about 2 hours too short. Fantastic Coleman thankyou so much.

is there a slightly over-zealous noise gate on Douglas' vocal?...

@immafirinmalazer1

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds choppy on coleman too but yes you're completely right

@clayschmitt

3 жыл бұрын

Correct

@LindenFurnell

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. It’s tiring on the ears

@nongfuspring2916

3 жыл бұрын

The sound does improve as it goes on

@oraz.

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. He should reupload.

What an extraordinary interview! Deliriously happy to encounter this guy Coleman! So nuanced a thinker.!

Really lovely episode, so calming yet very interesting conversation conducted in a non profane manner

What a wonderful discussion, thank you both so very much. Please be safe and take care.

Love it. Great guest, excellent host guiding the conversation.

Two of my favourites in a discussion.

This is the most thoughtful and successful of Murray's interviews/discussions I have listened to, to date. Our current cultural impasse stems from a particular crisis in liberal capitalist culture, to some extent spurred by an intentional, neocon misreading of Fukayama's observations on 'the end of history' and partially from the same political misreading of Ferayerbend's observation, 'anything goes'. These wilful misreadings serve the naturalisation of a globalised, so called 'free market' very neatly. Commensurate with this politically motivated reduction of the necessary and inevitable, epistemological juncture of a 'postmodern deconstruction' to a relativistic re-inscription of binary terms, the so called 'woke' generation have rather lazily, filled the vacuum in stable notions of (religious, ideological, nationalistic) identity, with their own intentional misreading and reduction of the idea of 'intersectionality' (c.f Crenshaw - before Butler) and in so doing have set up a chimera - all display and bluster - that has set the real goals of a philosophy of 'differance' (sic. cf Derrida) back by several decades. The world we currently live in has descended into a 'dark ages' characterised by an unbridled technological diffusion of a new babel of mumbo-jumbo - the pseudo religious and pseudo scientific rantings of a putative (though anachronistic) 'right' and 'left', which leaves us emotionally clinging to our security blanket of choice. Meanwhile, any serious investigation and attempt to 'reconstruct' a workable and sustainable world view is constantly interrupted and elided by all this paranoid, narcissistic and vicious bickering. Which facet of humanity always gains (in terms of power) from these wilful, cultural interventions of 'divide and rule', historically? Murray seems to genuinely struggle with this question here. I would like to see him pay even closer attention to the structures of our current socio-economic arrangements. He has a fatal flaw, it seems to me, in that he passes over the responsibilities and machinations of the real economic elites in constructing or at very least, steering our current malaise. Maybe this is a reflection of his 'habitus' (c.f Boudieu), having grown up in a Catholic school and then Eton and Oxford, he is perhaps, stoically inclined to "render up to Caesar that which is [unproblematically] Caesars'. I would ask him to rather, question, if not everything, then certainly 'the elephant in the room'. I have no doubt that he is capable of doing this, although he might have to get to grips with some of those 'difficult' books (I too, would 'rather read Rilke' and value poetry, performance and music above dry theory but also draw on a broad school of philosophy to help keep abreast of the philosophical challenges facing the species) and look forward to even more erudition on his part. The wise man dismisses nothing.

Thank you!

You both serve and serve well . For this I’m grateful.

Tim Pool gave a definition of "systemic racism" a couple of days ago; he believes that systemic racism just means that we had past race based policies (i.e. Jim Crow laws) and practices (redlining) built into the system which still negatively effect specific races today.... whereas "institutional racism" were the actual policies and practices. If a problem still exists ((i.e. generational wealth transfer), this is the most sensible way of looking at it that I've heard. "The paradox of a racist society without racists" that the woke cult seem to be pushing on us without any coherent clarification needs to stop; and so does their racist path to redemption and salvation.

@emilyk.5664

3 жыл бұрын

James Lindsay has an accurate interpretation of the made-up term "systemic racism." He wrote an article called "Why nobody is systemically racist" and it's on newdiscourses.com. I recommend! "Why Nobody is Systemically Racist - New Discourses" newdiscourses.com/2020/07/nobody-systemically-racist/

@johnbuckner2828

3 жыл бұрын

@@emilyk.5664 that article looks interesting, and a bit scary; I'll have to read the rest later, but if BLM is founded on a doctrine that "white people" are an entity which must be oppressed, even violently, for black people to be liberated, then I can only predict that racism is going to get a lot worse if their movement continues to gain traction.

2 bright minds! Love it. I hope more of these discussions get shared and absorbed by people.

YES! 100% on the money! I never felt that learning about the bible (to pick just ONE example of the foundational cultural artifacts of our culture) was a waste of time despite having come to atheism at a very young age already! And I know that it was my immersion in those "streams of thought running through our culture" that meant I never felt detached from a deep sense of purpose and meaning in my life. Literature, philosophy, history, if you approach them in an honest, and rigorous fashion, all help to guide your own feet along the path of wisdom that every generation strives for! Even an atheist can feel touched by bible stories, and the hippest, wokest, 21st century "snowflake" can learn something from studying the thoughts of "arch-patriarchal", slave-trading, imperialist, founding fathers because, ultimately, what we all are trying to reflect on is the same human nature.

I like how coleman is humble in this talk,its a good sign👍👍😁

@PoldarkGodzilla

3 жыл бұрын

In the precence of Murray

My 2 favourite social commentators together. Fantastic!

Fantastic discussion! Big fan of both of you!

Dial down the threshold on the noise gate Doug, you're dropping out in the quiet bits.

@hopefully2alpha

3 жыл бұрын

It's Driving my nuts!

@MrAristaeus

3 жыл бұрын

@@hopefully2alpha that’s too much information!

@hopefully2alpha

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrAristaeus haha! Well, Douglas has been working out...

@paulbryant8403

3 жыл бұрын

I had to stop watching. Sound failure

@bnjmnwst

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think Doug had anything to do with it. It's bad sound editing.

Ughh what a great combo. Would love to hear you two have future conversations together. No filler here, that's for sure.

Love the idea behind the Ground News app, have downloaded. Hope it works as shown.

Fantastic conversation.

Wonderful conversation kudos gentlemen

What a wonderful conversation.

Commenting to boost this. More people should hear things like this

Great interview Coleman.

Excellent conversation.

Always ends on such a good point ❤️

This is my first listen to Coleman and i like him. Like Douglas he's clearly gone to the original sources, read and understood them; he cites reading Kendi and Judith Butler in this video. I prefer it when hosts of these things have actually read the stuff they're complaining about rather than just relying on secondary sources; makes it feel more authentic. I also appreciate in the beginning where Coleman is squaring his intuition and experiences with the conservative approach about filling a "religion shaped hole" in everyone's heart. If you don't believe in god that shape is going to be hard to fill and than what? Much to ponder. Douglas is sublime as usual; but we all know that!

Can't wait for Coleman's book!

Not long enough!! Great episode though, loved that ending bit

Thank you. Keep sane in a difficult time. It is time to keep building bridges.

Fantastic; could we ask for more.

@alecchapin9071

3 жыл бұрын

Where part 2 let's get it done Coleman

@hinteregions

3 жыл бұрын

@@alecchapin9071 Seems like we can, I'm down with it XD

He’s my favorite, can’t wait to hear this conversation!!!! I like how he just lets words slowly fall out of his mouth, with seemingly no effort, while simultaneously you can see he’s going through excruciating pain. No one man is his match, not anymore.

Excellent! Best to Douglas and yourself! Keep at it!

Congrats Coleman on being named on being named on "30 under 30" list. You are contributing mightily already in your own way and I appreciate your effort!

Great conversation

My God Coleman ... you just made me make sense of my entire primary school/high school life. "Start with the thinking". ... I never found any of the texts they fawned over especially deep.