ATTENTION!!!! This is not a drill! The video was taken down yesterday for copyright by WWE. So if you wanna maybe... leave a like/dislike... a comment... and leave the video play on loop in the background for 6 days... that's be super chill! Dismissed soldier!

@tentrilliconlp7748

5 жыл бұрын

Totally Not Mark Yeah. They get really pissed of about their copyright.

@sneakyking

5 жыл бұрын

I'll give them the smackdown!!

@chaoscontrol0279

5 жыл бұрын

Oh, what a🅱🅱holes

@altimateguyz1016

5 жыл бұрын

Who would dislike this video?

@astraldirectrix

5 жыл бұрын

I loved this video yesterday, thanks for the reupload!

The definition of waiting was for episode 60 of tfs

@elizabethgouverneur2972

5 жыл бұрын

Yea I but it was WORTH IT

@andylockwood4life

5 жыл бұрын

Not even close try been a fan of there Hellsing Ultimate Abridged series they released 10 episodes in 8 years

@mootergaming1995

5 жыл бұрын

Ultimate generation Saiyan I never said it wasn’t worth it

@mootergaming1995

5 жыл бұрын

Andy Lockwood oh....well ummm....I got nothing

@wizzrt1

5 жыл бұрын

It was worth it though but I can't wait till I'm in college to watch the buy sage while eating ramen noodles

There's a differences between waiting and going to get milk for 5 years

@TheBluePhoenix008

4 жыл бұрын

Dad?

@popstarchamp

4 жыл бұрын

Dansparkles Cosmo?

@thekingofutube9328

4 жыл бұрын

Nah bro when my bro went d1 he came back

@Frytoons

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t worry, my dad came back when I won the lottery, you guys gotta try it.

@bnashtay2278

3 жыл бұрын

;-;

TIEN: A wonderful character they killed in later part of z and totally in super

@QuantemDeconstructor

5 жыл бұрын

Plague of gripes already covered that butchering, honestly I just wish the shin kikoho got used again

@jorge4572

4 жыл бұрын

*cries in Yamcha*

@yungmahon715

4 жыл бұрын

His shoulders aren't wide enough to be great anymore :(

@7cassandraecw378

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Welcome to Dragon Ball post-Z where interesting, skilled and developed characters such as Tien, Krillin and Yamcha are being shafted for big bad unga-bunga strength and characters going Super Saiyan with absolutely no canonical sense behind it.

@wolfgod6443

4 жыл бұрын

@@7cassandraecw378 Right, "post-Z". As though the Buu Saga didn't start everything down this trend. I'm not saying you have to like what came after, but many problems in both GT and Super started with Buu, which is also the longest Arc in all of Dragonball, let alone Z.

I would have loved for Gohan to become more of the main hero after Cell saga... but it's in character for him not to like fighting or be the true fighter's example. He does what he must, but it's traumatic and horrible everytime for him. He's already a good boy, the best boy, the fights don't make him a better person, just a more emotionally wounded person who deserves better. Also, to lose Goku completely after Cell saga would be awful, he's kind of the glue that holds everything together. As much as I adore Gohan and Vegeta both, I can't imagine continuing without Goku.

Dragon Ball Heroes is what you get when fans want nothing but fights.

@TheJuicyJediJester

5 жыл бұрын

Well that and the t.o.p and the broly movie

@ironleaf1527

5 жыл бұрын

Kinda the equivalent to giving the crying child the lollipop it demands.

@prl4122

5 жыл бұрын

The tournament of power is what you get when people want nothing but fights, heroes is what you get when people just want transformations and they both are terrible because of it

@r3pn1xc26

5 жыл бұрын

Pure madness. I couldn't see even one episode

@acehardware2823

5 жыл бұрын

Heros is litteraly just an ad for the games so you really can't blame it for being terrible than an real anime.

Copyright Strike? Vegeta: Wrestling is fake...

@shadowsayan3454

5 жыл бұрын

Namekmania 2011 was fun though...

@LaddiLo

5 жыл бұрын

LMAO these comments 🤣

@allan1018

5 жыл бұрын

WWE: so are you

@nickthedbzaddict3442

5 жыл бұрын

" Recoom "

@sekiko7183

5 жыл бұрын

@@allan1018 Vegeta: What is a God...TO A NON BELIEVER!!!

*Reads the title* *Have flashbacks* "This planet will blow up in 5 minutes" Yeah, real fun waiting.

@hejhejaske

4 жыл бұрын

Or the buu saga, oh god

@litinupcito2044

4 жыл бұрын

Aske the buu saga is just pink blob absorbing things while being OP

@KazanaAoi

4 жыл бұрын

Personally I'm in with the 'They're moving in bullet time' type theory. Simply put, Goku already demonstrated a capacity to move faster than any of the other fighters could see in his fight with Jace and Burter. Amplify that by a zenkai boost, and then amplify that 100 times more by super saiyan, and you have a person moving so fast that he can likely circle the planet in the time it takes you to blink; And fight at speeds at least close to that. Five minutes when you can perceive, move and fight like that is an eternity. ..Plus it doesn't help that frieza's attack was meant to blow up the planet outright, and when it failed to do so, Frieza could have just been bluffing or guessing about exactly how long it would take.

@tylerdurden788

4 жыл бұрын

But that 5 minutes you knew if you were loyal or not. Best fille is them taking a driver's test

@felipezamora9711

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly

You're conflating the issue of waiting with the concept of filler. I don't have a problem waiting for the important bits if I feel like the road to those points is somehow relevant, but if the journey isn't going to have any kind of impact on the destination, then it's just a waste of time.

@luisfernandes2522

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, filler and waiting are not the same, but one thing is an entire filler arc , which i believe everyone agrees is a waste of time. Another thing is adding bits here and there that spice things up at the end of the arc/battle

@guntherdoesaliltrolling5757

5 жыл бұрын

I don't mind the fillers, some of the fillers are actually great, especially the filler where goku and picollo drive cars together. Which also gives us the jem that is fan tfs song DODGE.

@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010

5 жыл бұрын

@@guntherdoesaliltrolling5757 accurate

@SomeRandomJackAss

5 жыл бұрын

This is why I can't fully get behind "It's not the destination, it's the journey" as a writing principle for long-form storytelling. I hate One Piece, for many reasons, but chief among them is the fact that although it lays out its goal at the start, it may never actually get there for whatever reason. Both the creator and the characters seem not to actually care about the destination at all, which is fine on its own, but don't give us an untrue motivation. Adventure for adventure's sake can work, but don't lie to us.

@flamo2666

5 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of world building?

"Piccolo wants to protect his family." Piccolo confirmed for best dad.

@sonnywoods6846

5 жыл бұрын

Goku died protecting his family twice but Piccolo is the one who want to Protect his family! That Toriyama Interview really fucked up teh communities thinking of Goku!

@matthewplays7232

5 жыл бұрын

*DODGE*

@chr1s_CS

5 жыл бұрын

Piccolo is what that black community needs to look at. Great dad

@negentropyagent7337

5 жыл бұрын

@@chr1s_CS hahahah😂😂😂

@digitallee5006

5 жыл бұрын

@@sonnywoods6846 Goku died twice not to protect his family, but because he failed to put his priorities in order. His "sacrifice" against Raditz was because he gave pity to someone who didn't deserve it and did not nothing to earn it. His decision to grant Raditz mercy resulted in him having his Ribs fractured and the loss of a tactical fighting advantage. Goku's "sacrifice" wasn't for his family, it was for a desperate victory resulting in him committing an easily avoidable suicide. His second "Sacrifice" was the result of his Friend and Best Dad Piccolo having to explain and reveal to Goku how awful of a father that Goku is. Goku willingly gave Cell a senzu bean which only made Cell stronger and is also the reason why almost everyone else died trying to fight cell. The fight against cell could have ended much sooner if Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan, and everyone else had continued to fight Perfect Cell and continue to weaken him. As it stands, Perfect Cell was already heavily weakened and tired after the equal bout that both Goku and Perfect Cell had against each other. In the end, Goku is and always will be terrible father, Even Akira Toriyama knows this.

Whenever I talk about how much I like dragon ball for its story or plot, I inevitably get people telling me that I'm just a delusional fanboy who gives to much credit to a kids show about men who shoot laser beams from their hands. I think these are the kinds of people you're talking about, who think that dragon ball is just about the payoff moments. They don't get that dragon ball, while certainly not the best or most innovative in terms of story telling, is fantastic at communicating scale and has a pretty strong story, and THAT is what makes the payoff scenes so great.

@CerealExperimentsMizuki

5 жыл бұрын

I've always hated those idiots who watch the show and always skip the parts where there's nothing happening because they think that anything other then the fights scenes are boring.

@ripper3052

5 жыл бұрын

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Dragon Ball has a great story, and absolutely none of its iconic moments hold any weight without the terrific narrative framing Toriyama provides. Hollow spectacle means nothing to me, and calling DB that it's all about Excitement and not story is really disappointing.

@clickmaster3692

5 жыл бұрын

This is one of the ways that db is underrated, lots of people see it as big muscle dudes beating each other up, when its a lot more then that.

@vlinnstone6919

5 жыл бұрын

@@clickmaster3692 True. Honestly, the Goku vs Jiren fight was an absolute spectacle of amazing choreography and animation. But the fight wouldn't have meant much to me if it wasn't for the sheer fact that it was two completely opposite ideologies clashing against one another. And the only way you would even know that is if you watched the build up to it. Also the very fact that Jiren was finally winded and struggling was SUCH a fucking good payoff.

@clickmaster3692

5 жыл бұрын

@@vlinnstone6919 Excalty.

They should do a film on Goku's and Vegeta's struggle to achieve blue. Maybe then those forms would be more appreciated. Or just wait for Team Four Star to fix it...

@thislambfire8069

5 жыл бұрын

HA! That’ll take ages!

@malekith13

5 жыл бұрын

We didn't get to see goku achieve SS3 as well but nobody complains about it :/

@niydfass1060

5 жыл бұрын

@@malekith13 Yeah, but I barely hear anyone mention it outside of the meme of him screaming

@mrcream1461

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah tell that to my grand kids when tfs start an dbs

@Fishlipsandbabyhands

4 жыл бұрын

malekith13 it’s not really an impactful form either it’s just the bulky super Saiyan form all over again too much ki drain

Gonna feel reaaaaaaaaaally good when Luffy finally gets that One Piece.

@michaelduncan1516

2 ай бұрын

Right

I agree with the basis of your argument, but I don't agree with the point that "all waiting" is worth it. Snake Way and other 'filler' were great world building moments. Gohan going alone as a kid in his own adventure while trained by Picollo was great to develop Gohan. However, The tournament of Powers padding didn't really serve this purpose as well. We really didn't learn much of anything about their home universes. Most characters were one note. We saw the characters feel about their fellow competitors deaths and the next episode it was as if nothing happened. Thats the difference here.

@bluepoint9474

5 жыл бұрын

i agree the dbs broly fix it I hope they follow the broly movie formula

@williameedubsix

5 жыл бұрын

No one died in the top till they all got eliminated. So they did show emotions till that point.

@guerrerodedios666

5 жыл бұрын

Hv

@OfficialJHoly

5 жыл бұрын

The issues with that has less to do with his point and more to do with the (should be known) fact that super had immense writing issues. A bunch to do with there pre production and the fact that it wasn't give. Enough time to work itself out. That's why things were built up but then just casted away because it was almost always a different set writers writing each episode.

@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed

People assume Dragon Ball doesn't actually HAVE a story. Even I fell into this trap myself until I watched you

I feel like there's a difference in "waiting" for a character arc to come to fruition for that big, memorable scene (a path already carved by the manga) and "waiting" through filler episodes added to the anime. Gohan's SS2 transformation is big and impactful not because of him saving the kids on the island in those filler episodes of him training with Piccolo, but because of those memorable big moments that come before. Quiet, crying Gohan exploding to attack Raditz. Nervous, scared Gohan in the face of Frieza flying into a rage. Etc. Waiting through 4(?) arcs for Vegeta's payout works because of all of the set pieces before it. Those "big, flashy set pieces" are what build up to the BIGGER payout. Not the added filler scenes that don't hurt the overall story by being removed. If I were to just read the manga, would my experience of these big payout moments is diminished? The manga doesn't include the specific periods of waiting you outlined, so by that logic the payout is less impactful because of it. TL;DR I agree that waiting through arcs that contain memorable set pieces for these main characters to get to their big payouts down the line is important, but waiting through filler episodes is waiting for the sake of... just waiting.

@gameraz1990

5 жыл бұрын

But think about this: If a manga issue that holds the "ultra big payoff" comes out, do hundreds of people host reading parties to read those... 20~ pages? No. Those pages are done in mere moments, leaving you with your imagination to enjoy what "could have been" an epic scene, where it to be animated, voiced, colored and masterfully acted. On the contrary, when a show's big climatic payoff comes along, people all over the world get excited for those final 20 minutes of an episode that summarizes every single episode you've been seeing for the past, say, 1 year (52 episodes). And also, like he said, the fact that you waited so long (years maybe) is what gets you excited to see the ending. Ever thought about why 12 episodes animes, even while being ultra epic as f***, don't get much attention? Because they end too soon. They don't have this "filler" which makes you wait and "hype up" the ending that'll come later. However, fillers should be in good taste... they should promote character exploration and potential growth, not last for a year+ (Naruto...) and do absolutley nothing but make up a story with the most generic storyline and zero payoff for everyone involved.

@gregorywullaert8618

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure that that's relevant. TV lends itself more easily to social gatherings but there are plenty of people who find manga and novels more impactful than their electronic counterparts. "The book was better," right?

@amosamwig8394

4 жыл бұрын

Na, you're just impatience

Dragon ball "fans" during Z: THe FiGhTs aRE tOo lOnG Dragon ball "fans" during Super: THe FiGhTs aRE tOo sHoRt

@aredblip1315

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe they'll finally strike a balance in Super 2.0

@alexandervillanueva9909

5 жыл бұрын

Nope, is NO FUCKING BLOOD OR DEATH, WTF IS THIS, DORA THE EXPLORER?

@hailedspace25

5 жыл бұрын

@@alexandervillanueva9909 blood doesn't make a series good. Sadistic little man.

@And-Knackles

5 жыл бұрын

@@alexandervillanueva9909 Z, in the first arc, killed most of the supporting cast in gruesome ways. Super, albeit not as graphic as Z, had multiple scenes were characters die. Saying that Dragon Ball has no death is, to be blunt, fucking stupid.

@Peteaguy

5 жыл бұрын

@lively lapis He's clearly mimicking what super fans complain about, hes not actually being serious lol.

_I actually like the waiting, I see it as more of a Challenge that feels like a reward when the thing your waiting for arrives._

@jonasclarebout

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah and the excitement when you rewatch it and wait for that one epic moment you really want to see

Waiting is like cooking food: Some people like food rare, some like it well done; not everybody likes it raw, but nobody likes it burnt

I will no longer be ashamed. One of my favorite parts of dbz was when gohon went to school. It cracks me up every time.

@kevinpeach8129

3 жыл бұрын

It was cute to watch when I was a kid. It was awesome to get DBZ and a high school slice of life anime

Couldn't have said this any better! Patience is a virtue.

@ironleaf1527

5 жыл бұрын

"Patience is a virtue." Finally found DB Fans with such a mindset.

@Myth_or_Mystery76

5 жыл бұрын

Too bad most people don’t have it nowadays.

As a “writer” myself I have the upmost respect for Toriyama and the world he has created. He values character over story and has devolved every character in his show in one way or another. In my opinion that is the mark of a great author

@alexanderbiamou9199

5 жыл бұрын

A jar of pickles You’re on a lot of James Allsup videos lol

@Mynti_Dragon

5 жыл бұрын

A jar of pickles I completely agree

@GoldenQuickie

5 жыл бұрын

i think toriyama is a great artist. i think that he created a high ceiling for power with dbz and super. i think the characters he created physically are cool to watch. BUT, he was extremely poor at exploring rhe potemtial of his own creation. he created great looking villains but they were out of order. he started off with decent increases in power but once piccolo blew up the moon it was pretty much over after that. he got so out of control with strong characters after thar. i think he did poorly deciding which characters deserved the most shine. i think he focused on super sayain transformations too much after ss1. i think had he been more creative ss1 could have had longer longevity. i think he did poorly explaining ki in this series. i think he did poorly distinguishing ki in this series. i think basing a series off of real life ideas of ki and energy was creative but poorly executed.

@coreytrevor1920

5 жыл бұрын

I honestly love the world building that "filler" episodes do. One of my favorite arcs was when goku met pikkon and competed in the other world tournament. Also seeing all the villains in hell was crazy cool

@ripper3052

5 жыл бұрын

Darius don't compare Dragon Ball Super trash which throws logic outta water for fanservice like let me compare cell and Zamasu arc for you, both have trunks coming back for help but in one arc trunks despite training in RoSaT doesn't achieve power to kill perfect cell whereas in dbs one he was shown to be weaker than ssj3 and outta nowhere he asspulled his way to become stronger than Vegetto blue and sliced Vegetto? Get that shit outta here. Did you skip the series or what? Toriyama never explored Gohan? Vegeta? Piccolo? Tenshinhan? Goten and Trunks? So you want boo to appear first then freeza then vegeta, because fuck narrative, right? Who tf gives two shit about Powerscaling like dbs trash? Its hilarious that you keep saying power ceiling shit yet you don't have concrete examples, roshi was the one who blew up the moon first and it's fiction, breaking news : we can't blow the moon with our power but with the world established in Dragon Ball it's normal. Oh ye, fuck that Toriyama for making retarded characters like vegeta, piccolo or trunks or Gohan and trying to develop them, i wanted to see chaozu and oolong develop, that's true he should have developed characters like pilaf or mai because fuck developing your main cast, right? Do you realize how ignorant you sound? That's like me saying Oda sucks for having so many people with haki after time skip which is no different than dbz, similar to how earlier on no one can fly but in Z they can. Loooool, this is the funniest part, what pretentious pseudo-scientific explanation you need for ki? Tf? 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 Even a Japanese kindergarten kid knows what Rei and ki are, this isn't Hunter x Hunter, you seem like another one of those elitist who Values the quality and contribution of a story based only on how much new "lore/information" it throws (aka, how many extra words it can be added to a wiki article) over things like themes & ideas, character development, conflict, pathos (which Toriyama puts) the stuff that makes a story...well a story. Also he literally had different types of ki based attacks like ever scene Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack? Kienzan? Makankosappo? Kamehameha? Kikoho? Sokidan? Dodonpa? Tf are you even watching? I am sorry but all of your points are strawman and you come off like one of those Pretentious edgelords from HxH fandom or PlagueOfGripes fan.

I cried on the inside....I already valued Dragon Ball for the story lines and rising action in the story lines, but I didn't realize how much I needed to hear this until I did. You never fail to dissapoint, Mark.

As someone who started with OG Dragon Ball... I have to agree. Toa Pai Pai has to be my all round favourite villain. Why? Because of everything that transpired before. Dragon Ball used to be a tale of adventure and high jinks. Yes there were battles and what not, but the stakes never felt higher. Should the series have been more about that from the start, Tao would have been lost to me in the succession of villains. I love the build ups when they're available in the series. As you said, watching a character grow and seeing the fruits of their labour makes the climax that much more satisfying. You almost feel you earned it alongside any given character. Everyone hates an asspull, and I believe this is one of those reasons why! It doesn't feel earned. As always, great video man! :D

I couldn't wait for this video to end... ....so I could come below and comment on how damn well and thought out it was! Seriously, I agree with everything you just said! Super was more about power ups and fights than actual story. Problem was that imo DB Super had a lot of great fight scenes but not a lot of great fights. What do I mean? SSB Goku vs. Toppo in the exhibition match, Future Trunks and Goku vs Black and Zamasu just to name a couple off the top of my head. Fights that are only a couple of minutes long but were awesome. However, they don't have that Perfect Cell vs. Goku or Vegeta vs. Kid Buu level of epicness in my opinion. I don't think Super will hold up to the level of success that Z did in terms of STORY and longevity. The T.O.P. arc had some of the best moments in the recruitment stages. They really should've had an entire arc built around the universes getting it together so we'd have some idea of personality for maybe not all but a majority of the fighters so we'd give a damn!

@ripper3052

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, shh. Dragon Ball Super fanboys will come to prove you wrong and how Z never had a story in first place

@albertthepeacock8020

5 жыл бұрын

DBZ story>>>>>>>>>>>>>DBS story

@ripper3052

5 жыл бұрын

@A.J.R .A Well if fighting was Dragon Ball Z's only appeal than why do DBZ fans hate Super? In Super we complained about the awful story and character development. No one complained about fight scenes. Fights is usually the MAIN appeal of all action anime, cartoons, movies, ect. But fights isn't the only thing most people care about. And using a few plot points that are common (not even done in the same way) in the show and justifying it as the whole plot is just hypocritical. I can do that with pretty much every anime that I saw. Using that logic is like me saying Naruto, Yu Yu Hakusho, Jojo's Bizzare Adventure, Full Metal Alchemist, ect have no story. I can take a few things that happens in the show justify it as the entire anime. If DBZ had no story than it wouldn't have a big fanbase. Sure fights are important, but if no one cared about the story and characters, not many people would watch it. If Dragon Ball only had fights to offer you than it wouldn't keep your interest. There are lots of animes with great fight scenes but lots of people that watched them wouldn't say it's good because they didn't enjoy the story. Dragon Ball does have problems but it still have a very entertaining story that contains lots of adventure and excitement. No offense but if you don't care for the story in Dragon Ball, than I doubt you actually love the series. You don't make sense, most of the crisis in Original DB was solved by fucking kid goku, he was one punch man in it among Fodder.

@ripper3052

5 жыл бұрын

@A.J.R .A kid Goku solved 80-90% of all the fights in that part. Besides Yamcha beating an Invisible Man, Krillin beating Bacterian & Chaozu & Tien beating Cyborg Tao, Goku solved everything. He was always stronger than everyone in the end. Who beats yamcha? Goku Who beats oolong? Goku Who beats RRA? Goku Who beats mettalic? Goku Who beats murasaki? Goku Who beats silver? Goku Who beats white? Goku Who beats tao? Goku Who beats blue? Goku Who beats pilaf and co.? Goku Who beats piccolo daimao? Goku who beats piccolo? Goku LMAO In Z, Who kills Freeza? Trunks Who kills Cell? Gohan Who kills boo? Goku Are you sure you're not a OG DB-tard? Goku needed help to beat vegeta, Freeza and Boo so look who's more idiotic

@danielz-v4083

5 жыл бұрын

The Haves and the Have Nots Review This man, this man GETS it. And just to emphasize your points: one of my biggest critiques about the ToP is how it completely took a dump on the OG U6 warriors, the only actual new characters in the series besides Whis, Jaco and Beerus who got to know for the past 60 few episodes... for Real. I liked Frost in the ToP, but his manga version was so much cooler(though it didn’t have that glorious Mafuba scene). Botamo...eh fuck him). Megeta was just ok , But HIT and Cabba, two fan favorite characters were completely shafted, Hit just to show how Op Jiren was, hell we didn’t even got that Vegeta vs Jiren rematch or a quick fight, also he should’ve been at least top 12 in the Tournament . But cabba got it the worst, out lil boi got completely side stepped just for Not- Broly and horrible op carsboars character number 01 get the spotlight. He was literally the only U6 saiyan the EARNED and deserved his Ssj and ssj2... so yeah, some foreshadowing or interactions between the Universes before the actual tournament would’ve been good, to build tension and relationships. Too bad they almost completely ignored that with pre existing characters

I've been waiting on this video since it was taken down

@astraldirectrix

5 жыл бұрын

Simon Bariuan M E T A

I have to Admit one of the coolest moments to me in the Tournament of Power was when Vegeta unlocked Blue 2 if it even has a name then was able to go toe to toe with Jiren due to his battle knowledge. I felt it really distinguished him from Goku in terms of style. He's not even my favorite character, Krillin is.

@nickolasboaz9846

5 жыл бұрын

Krillin is OP

"waiting is important" Tell that to naruto fans

@Toothpaste0000

4 жыл бұрын

Lol 😂 Wait for boruto to get better I guess

@stenkos

3 жыл бұрын

@@Toothpaste0000 Time traveller here It gets better

Captain America once said the key to victory is patience, it can lead to so many ways and you wonder why you waited so long for something disappointing.

@ZakanaHachihaCBC

5 жыл бұрын

emanuel navarrete yeah but he also said that Patience can lead to a whole lot of nothing and disappointment.

@danballe

5 жыл бұрын

Disapointment is the anger of the weak!

@resdaman1

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m pretty sure Captain America was talking about something different lol

@stevenseagal9911

5 жыл бұрын

Captain America is gay as fuck.

I agree with your assessment about delayed gratification. The only point of contention I would submit is that the waiting became... a bit formulaic and predictable in DBZ. It wasn’t just waiting. It was “Waiting for Goku.” I get that Goku is the main character of the entire Dragonball franchise and, as such, criticizing Dragonball for keeping him at its center would be like criticizing Spider-Man for keeping Spidey its central focus. I get it. ...buuuuut... Goku gets killed by Piccolo along with Raditz. Uh oh, more powerful Saiyans are coming! Can Goku make it back in time to save his friends?! Will Goku’s training be enough?! Goku gets critically wounded by Vegeta at the end of the Saiyan Saga. We need the Namekian Dragonballs to revive all our lost friends. Uh oh, Frieza is looking for them too! Can Goku make it there in time to save his friends?! Will the training he undergoes on the way be enough to turn the tide?! Goku gets critically injured... again... by Captain Ginyu and has to recover. Uh oh, Frieza’s closing in on the Dragonballs! Will Goku... umm... heal in time to save his friends?! Will he be strong enough to stop Frieza?! Goku suffers a heart attack while fighting Androids 19 and 20. Uh oh, these aren’t the Androids future Trunks warned them about?! The real Androids are way stronger?! Will Goku be able to heal... again... in time to save his friends?! Will Goku be strong enough to stop the Androids?! ...see what I mean? To the show’s credit (and for the record I am very much a fan of the Dragonball franchise), it does make for big heroic moments when Goku does show up, like “ohhhh, y’all’re F-ED NOW, son! Here’s Goku!!!” But again... it gets a little repetitive for my tastes and kind of does a disservice to the also cool, fun, impressive, and compelling roster of supporting characters in the franchise. That, to me, is why the Cell Saga’s outcome left such a lasting impression: Goku wasn’t the one who was going to save the day. The arc was about someone else, and it was really f-ing cool! A very well-executed passing of the torch, so to speak, from father to son. Sign me the hell up! I can’t wait to see where Gohan goes after Cell... ...and then the disappointment set in (I already watched your video about Gohan and I fully agree with your assessment of his character between DBZ and DBS). I was kind of hoping Gohan would become Earth’s mightiest champion, or at least stay in the running along with the other 50 bajillion super saiyans on the show. But nope. Gohan regresses to the point where he’s worth not much more than Krillin in the grand scheme and here comes our boy, Goku, to retake the driver’s seat. Sigh... Don’t get me wrong. I thought the SSG and Ultra Instinct transformations were both handled well (though I do see your point regarding the rather lackluster reveal of SSGSS/Super Saiyan Blue) and I’m not against keeping Goku there as a central figure. I just think they rely a little too much on Goku (and waiting for him) as a plot device, a fact which is exacerbated by all the good stuff they set up with the supporting cast, Gohan in particular and now (as you also pointed out) with Broly. I’m genuinely interested and excited to see where Broly’s story goes in the next season, and hopefully Toriyama will use it to break away from the “waiting for Goku” formula. Well presented video once again, bud! Thanks for posting and keep up the good work! ☺️👍

@AlexRN

4 жыл бұрын

Oh boy, you must LOVE Dragon Ball GT, don’t you? PS: great post, you deserve more likes. I’m in the camp that I like “filler” if they’re good and contribute something. And I’d take 20 Goku&Piccolo learning how to drive episodes over another drawn out episode about trying and failing to fight evil adult Boo.

@viagotanega9898

4 жыл бұрын

LordKhabal fantastic comment. You’re completely right.

"It's about the Journey" *Loud applause ensues Thank you for saying it. This is why I loved Hunter X Hunter so much, because the journey is the part I always felt was the best. In Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z I felt the same way and it's why I was particularly fond of Dragon Ball, because I love the journey Goku goes on, the characters he meets, the challenges that ensue.

In other terms...I am Iron Man..scene wouldn't be impactful in Endgame...if we didn't anyone Iron Man movie 10 years ago...The path were the Character started is what makes the Character ending interesting and satisfying...

@mcstrategist

4 жыл бұрын

As supported by the lack of weight In the sacrifice in Batman V. Superman

When I think of DBZ, I think about that Kaio Ken training Goku did on his way to Namek then he beat the Ginyu force.

@evanlight671

5 жыл бұрын

I honestly think of two things when someone says dragon ball; Goku transcending into godhood (super Saiyan god) And Gohan letting go (super Saiyan 2)

There is a massive difference between key character moments and silly little side stories that one might consider filler. Kai does not cut out these key moments, only filler that have no impact on story. Though I fully agree that any story benefits from the quiet little moments where we get to know and see the characters grow and connect with one another, because this is what makes then relatable, makes them human. Dragon Ball can certainly overly drag things out, but if was nothing but action it would merely be a flash in the pan with no weight behind the outcomes of the eventual fight scenes.

@CerealExperimentsMizuki

5 жыл бұрын

Wrong comment.

@Trinidad413

5 жыл бұрын

DBZ filler was good. There was nothing wrong with it.

@masterclockwork4436

5 жыл бұрын

@@Trinidad413 That is not the point.

@Cthulhu1991

5 жыл бұрын

people complain that toei drags out One Piece too much too. I'm like really? it barely has any filler but people still complain.

@masterclockwork4436

5 жыл бұрын

What little new content is in each episode is great for pushing the plot along. The problem is once you remove the intro, pro-log, upcoming preview and ending credits, you're barely left with 15 minutes of new content. So a lot of times it feels like it takes forever for any one of the many simulations plotlines to move forward.

I love your idea of a scene earning its moment. So true. You have great editing skills, and good narration. You keep me watching attentively the entire way. You even apply your own advice, and your final summary earns its place. Good choice of music, nice transitions. And you understand what you’re talking about very well.

5:12 i legitly got goosebumps

Funny you bring up WWE. One of the many, many many many many problems with wwe from 2015-2018 is they keep trying to label everything as monumental and historic without EARNING that designation. You can't just simply put a scenario together, tell commentary to spout buzzwords/corporate doctrine over how important this is without the proper build-up and follow through then expect the fans to just go along with it. You have to be prepared book long term, take the fans on a storytelling journey, be prepared to fail sometimes and listen to the fans when they speak, move things in a direction that will engage people, let things happen organically, and don't stifle the creativity of the people who you employ to tell your story. Not every story you make will be popular, not every decision will be celebrated and not every ending will be considered a work of art. Sometimes circumstances will come up and prevent you from telling your story, or your story will not be liked by the fans. But if you craft the journey and focus on telling good stories, they will resonate with people, who will come back for more. People are willing to be patient and see how the story plays out, if they can see that you are trying to craft something good. As soon as you start treating your fans like idiots, you have lost. And the past 5 years have made me and millions of others stop watching wwe entirely and go out and find wrestling and story media that does do the things listed above.

@TSotP

5 жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more. Just look at how long Stone Cold, Triple H and Rock fought over the championship. By the time a main event happened, the whole fan base was super hype for the match. They don't do that level of commitment any more.

@-toxicus-8582

5 жыл бұрын

I dont wanna be that guy but tbh wwe sucks i cant understand why people like it

@dn22pkkdd476

5 жыл бұрын

@@-toxicus-8582 same reason people like comics, romance books, movies, sports, certain tv shows, soap opera's or even Dragonball. It's fiction and It entertains them. It's not for everyone, not everyone has to enjoy it or get it. But everyone has their own tastes and likes and dislikes. We can agree to disagree on this. I'm sure you enjoy things I probably don't. However three things 1. wwe isn't the "be all end all" of wrestling. There are hundreds of pro wrestling/ mma companies out there, each putting out different product, for a different fanbase. Just because wwe's writing sucks, does not mean that there is not another company out there putting out a better product. 2. Like wrestling or not, it's use as an example in this video helps prove his point about waiting and patience in fiction narrative. So it has it's place 3. Even though wwe as a company sucks, it still hires some of the best wrestling talent of all time. So far their roster from top to bottom, is the best it's ever been. It's a shame that all that talent is wasted on a company who literally despises their own fans.

@-toxicus-8582

5 жыл бұрын

@@dn22pkkdd476 but there is a difference between dragon ball and wwe Although both are fictional still db being a manga creates its own full universe making everything that happens there a reality for our characters meaning that although every fight is scripted and already has a fate before starting still goku is really beating friezas ass instead of pretending to hit him I dont know why wwe is entertaining cause its writting sucks and the fights arent even real...id prefer ufc 100% even tho not havin a lore at least there are actually real fights...also its not even wresling but a tenkaichi budokai...real wresling is a small circle where two individuals fight by grabbing each other and 1.try to ring the other out or 2.put them on the ground for 5 seconds It just gives me a brainfreeze on how can people actually like it im not tryina insult nobody bug in my point of view its just some loosers in boxers doing figures and completly bad fighting moves and not even hitting eaxh other while there is a story behind it that doesnt make sense

@dn22pkkdd476

5 жыл бұрын

@@-toxicus-8582 I's a bit more complicated than that, it's a thing that has been around since the carnival/strongman days (perhaps even longer) where the wrestlers would trick the crowd from town to town, into thinking they were seeing real fights. But in the end, it just boils down to scripted fighting. It's honestly more like realife comic books meets sports, where a hero fights a villain (sometimes another hero) to see who comes out on top, with over the top characters and personalities. That's what wrestling is at it's core. Great wrestlers can make you suspend your disbelief and make you forget that you know it's fake. When it get's really good, you'll want to see the bad guy taken out by the hero and tune in to see what the next part of the story will be. If you have a favorite character, you can see them change and evolve their personalities and their styles and cheer them on as they win or lose. It's cool if you don't enjoy it, or don't understand why people would enjoy it. We'll just agree to disagree bro =)

This is exactly, why Media needs to learn to slow down a little. These days we are merely consuming products, just at a glance while being active somewhere else. Of course, there are still damn good Series and all, that are well paced and playing with our expectations; But to be honest: Almost all modern block buster produces fail to hold me tight on the seat, because they choose action over story telling and that is just sad. Unfortunately, that is what people find cool. But at the same time this kind of entertainment, just lacks emotional attachment, which is needed to identify with the world depicted. Ironically: I truly think these days, gamers seem to be the people with the longest span of attention and an urge for a compelling story telling. Taking the time to explore those worlds and dive deep into story telling mechanics. Well, mainly because in the end of the day as a gamer you choose your pacing.

@emblemblade9245

5 жыл бұрын

Der Beppo Funny how that is...

@CerealExperimentsMizuki

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not much of a gamer and I love exploring and creating, characters, Worlds, Universes and beyond.

@Redstar2613

5 жыл бұрын

That's very true about video games. I mean, just look at Metal Gear Solid

@denzolli4381

5 жыл бұрын

That doesn't really make any sense, 'gamers' as people, enjoy different types of media like evryone else, and can be affected by those trends as well? And games in fact are responsible for interfering with the developement of delayed gratification in children and young adults. They are by defined by 'instant gratification', its why you chose games over homework. Don't pull the 'gamers live in a society' meme hahaha.

@Redstar2613

5 жыл бұрын

@@denzolli4381 Instant gratification has nothing to do with choosing video games over homework. It's obviously because people prefer to play games than do homework because playing games is fun, whereas homework is not. And people want to come home from school or work and do something fun or relaxing, not more work. And instead of just calling something a meme, try thinking of what the person is ACTUALLY saying.

Ur right this new world moves too fast to appreciate the little things and not just with dragon ball

@mcstrategist

4 жыл бұрын

It's why I like movies made in the 60's-80's like 'Scarlet in the Black.' The entire movie was built as a waiting game of cat and mouse with an astounding final ending in the very last minute of the movie.

The fight scenes are indeed epic but it's the emotion and story that builds up to them that makes them truly Legendary

I mean, yes. Can't have tension if everything is just resolved in a second. It's like how every super saiyan transformation gets worse and worse. Goku and Future Trunks had by far the best ones, followed by Vegeta and Gohan. Cabbas was super flat, Gohan and Kid Trunks' non existent, same with Kale and Caulifla, and we do not talk about the horrible Bardock one. AVGN actually made a pretty good example in his Frankenstein video years back, where a game talks about the evil he-devil and she-devil of the woods, and you fight them seconds later. No build-up, no nothing. Meanwhile when you play Zelda, you know that you fight ganon, the manual is talking about Ganon, the game is talking about Ganon, but you do not see him until the very end. That's now you make something memorable. It's also why Jiren's backstory falls flat on it's ass because it's a 5 minute flashback way too late that isn't even close to detailed enough to help him in any way.

@danielhounshell2526

5 жыл бұрын

I feel like super fixes a lot of the issues Z started to have with transformations. Each new one is set up far in advance and is given enough time for excitement to build over seeing it. Particularly for Super Saiyan God, this was set up incredibly well, and built a strong foundation for the rest of the series in terms of the strength of its characters, not to mention the fight following it was well executed and enjoyable to watch. I feel like the anime got more mileage out of it than the film did, however, since in the anime, the form lasted for more than a minute. SSB was also set up fairly well, as the audience is made to wonder how far the two main characters have come in terms of their powers, and they get to see both the logic behind how it works and the payoff that follows in the fight with Frieza, and while the golden form did dunk on how cool SSB was shown to be, it did re-establish Frieza as a threat, and gave a tangible result from the training he did. Ultra instinct is actually hinted at and set up throughout the entire series, even as far back as when Goku and Vegeta were training with Whis, so it is kind of cool to see this translated into something more tangible. This is the only time in super where we see a character suddenly learn a new ability in the middle of battle, however it neatly avoids the problem Z had in that due to the nature of how the ability works, it makes sense that it would trigger in a life-or-death situation like this, there's also some decent buildup with Goku mastering the ability over the course of the tournament, so there's actually something interesting to watch other than some asspull overpowering the main villain.

@danielz-v4083

5 жыл бұрын

Nurse Valentine how was Bardock’s bad? He earned that shit , not as much as Goku, Veg or Gohan, but he definitely did . And in a mix of failures for new forms that the saiyans had(ssb, ssj 1 and 2 caulifla, controlled ssj Kale, ssj “rage” trunks) , Cabba was the only one that felk kinda like he deserved it (I mean his ssj2) . Little guy had been training for a while and always striving to be the beat to defend his people and Following Vegeta’s teachings

@NurseValentineSG

5 жыл бұрын

@@danielz-v4083 The reason why he transformed is the problem. You'd think he transforms because some rando space alien gets hurt (something he does all the time) rather than his home planet, his family and himself being destroyed? It's the same problem for Cabba's ss1, a random guy throws absolutely empty threats at him and suddenly he transforms. I do not care if someone "earned" it, because this isn't real life. I want the moment to be memorable, and Bardock's absolutely is not. Same with Cabba. And Goten and Kid Trunks' and Caulifla and Kale. And the Blues for the matter.

@danielz-v4083

5 жыл бұрын

Nurse Valentine well, kinda miss interpreted Bardock’s tho. When he is getting all angry and punching the groud he keeps babbling about Frieza and not being strong enough(I think there even is a flashback in there) . So bardcok was 100% angry about not being strong enough to be able to defend anyone. He had failed with The Planet Vegeta and the saiyans and Chilled being able to easily wreck that little football head alien kid just reminded him of that even more. As far as Cabba, yeah I can definitely agree,buuuuut Cabba clearly didn’t see Vegeta as “some random dude”, and he knew that if Vegeta wanted he could make U6 saiyans his bitches. Anyway, I see your point and I agree with none of them being memorable (not so much with Bardock) . And the sad thing is that “ssj Rage” trunks would’ve been memorable if they hadn’t created some random form that is not even acknowledged by the other characters and that has 0 explanations (hell it doesn’t even have a canon name) ... instead of, you know, achieved a pre existing transformation like SSJ3 or hell even ssg, idk , just some logic to it would’ve been cool

@NurseValentineSG

5 жыл бұрын

@@danielz-v4083 Rage Trunks is almost memorable. The first time he appeared was super cool. But then the very next episode Goku and Vegeta go back in time and talk about other stuff while wo do not see a single thing about Rage Trunks. So they really dropped the ball there. Otherwise I guess that makes sense with Bardock, but I still think it's a very flaccid super saiyan trigger. Because in that case, it's just him needing one more person he doesn't even care about that much to get hurt. But I guess I just prefer Bardock being a normal saiyan anyway. Made him more special.

The waiting always outline the adventure and enhance the characters. That is what I enjoyed watching as a kid.

That wrestling comparison is good but flawed because even without knowing any of the story lines behind it you will never forget the fact that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table.

Dragon ball z doesn't always need fight scenes to be good I always love scenes of Goku hanging out with his family like when he went fishing with Gohan in the cell saga

_I still say Toyo was force to rush the TOP Arc in the Manga. I mean the recent chapter of Super Manga was great and felt even pace._

@-toxicus-8582

5 жыл бұрын

The manga has a lot to fix... It has good concepts as a perfected ssjb and a ss goku black also the fact goku has a weaker version of hakai and the fact that fused zamasu is nerfed Still the pace of things...master roshi dodging jirens punches like it was nothing...gohan being able to match up against a potara fusion with ss2 with a tone of berserk...the fact that the ending didnt have any sort of symbolism unlike the ToP ending in the anime...kale eleminating most universes with her rage...and specially 17 somehow being as strong as goku..automatically surpassing vegeta

@CerealExperimentsMizuki

5 жыл бұрын

Let me re type your comment in a way that's easier to read. _"I still type that Toyotaro was forced to rush the Tournament Of Power arc from the manga, I mean the recent chapter was decently paced but didn't have that much in terms of quality and it was quite boring because he didn't bother to make the pages turnable."_

@danielz-v4083

5 жыл бұрын

Majin Silver fused Zamasu is definitely not nerfed in the manga, he is exactly how he should’ve been in the anime. Not a completely utterly broken power and some Susanoo and Halo shit . The way Toyotaro made Vegito Kurbstomp Zamasu was just right, it made sense . Oh and , while we are at it, can we take a second to appreciate how much better Fused Zamasu’s design is in the manga? Dude is freaking beefed up(there is a scene he takes his Gi off and it looks so amazing, the anime on the other hand....they made zamasu look like he had some anorexia or something

@-toxicus-8582

5 жыл бұрын

@@danielz-v4083 true that even toryiama said that he would be a strong as 2 super saiyans +the arc deserved giving the W to vegito since trunks hasnt done shit the whole time

@danielz-v4083

5 жыл бұрын

Majin Silver yeah, I discussed that a lot and came to the conclusion the fight should’ve gone like this: Somewhere before the fight Vegeta uses that amazing “Gamma burst flash” on Black and almost kills him while Zamasu is worned out after the mafuba from Goku, the. Zamasu would pull a single Senzu Beam(since he stole them from goku in a previous chapter ) and they fuse and eat the senzu. From there on ,I’s trow the potara retcon to the trash bin and make it so Vegito actually kills zamasu with the final kamehameha, BUT the same thing that happened in the manga happens: zamasu starts multiplying and “becoming the world itself” or whatever and then even Vegito is forced to retreat . I fell like that would’ve been much better , or if you fell like the story was fine, they should’ve at least used the Metamorian/dance fusion. So there would be no need to touch on the Potara rules

i’m so patient now because of dragon ball

your format and editing improved a lot from when i started watching you with the tournament of power power level saga, truly nice work, keep it up !

I've honestly learnt a lot about character writing and narrative writing in general, great work man.

Super had a lot of these scenes and I loved them, the slice of life moments of the show are some of its best qualities

I honestly think that all the hybrid saiyans aren't going to be in the series anymore now that Broly is here its set in stone

@-toxicus-8582

5 жыл бұрын

True i think broly should be suppressed in the main story as a last resort and never live on earth

@jcfrostycheesebugga8681

5 жыл бұрын

@@-toxicus-8582 i think thats y he lives on his planet with the frieza soldiers

@-toxicus-8582

5 жыл бұрын

@@jcfrostycheesebugga8681 yeah and i hope it stays like that i still want the hybrids to shine when goku and vegeta go to some fuckin god academy or somethin in fuckin dragon ball ultra

@jcfrostycheesebugga8681

5 жыл бұрын

@@-toxicus-8582 it aint that im just tired of gohan having a moment one time but disappearing for about a few months or even a year i gave up on goten and trunks tbh but i am ready for the universe 6 saiyans to come back

@-toxicus-8582

5 жыл бұрын

@@jcfrostycheesebugga8681 meh u6 saiyans are lame af i would go out of the universal shit put goku and vegeta into some god academy woodoo random shit for a few years and make gohan train goten and trunks that way we could have both sides filled with action

I really appreciate this video. I’ve been mulling over ideas for for my personal writing project and this video actually made me think of the pacing for the first time.

You can have world building that isn’t associated with filler that happens simultaneously along with the story. These things are not mutually exclusive. Filler is not necessary, although, it’s definitely true that witnessing character development in episodes that ARENT filler is worth your time.

The many unanswered questions of the world: who shot jfk, did aliens visit us,and what is that song at 5:10

Anyone else notice that the people that hate Vegeta the most are the hardcore Gohan fans?

@emblemblade9245

5 жыл бұрын

Harrison James Heh, figures

@Noname-uo2oz

5 жыл бұрын

I love both of them, (but still Gohan> Vegeta)

@spambamkeija634

5 жыл бұрын

@@Noname-uo2oz Both Gohan and Vegeta are top three fleshed out characters in all of Dragon Ball.

@-toxicus-8582

5 жыл бұрын

Not really...gohan is my favorite character and tbh i like vegeta His character development was probably the biggest although i only started liking him in the buu saga

@ultimatepunster5850

5 жыл бұрын

This opinion has gotten me close to being lynched like, a solid five times. I dislike Gohan. I used to hate him as a kid, but as I grew up I grew to, at the very least, respect him. I don't like him, but I respect his character. Vegeta on the other hand, is in my top 5. He's number four, with the three above being Android 21, Zamasu, and Bardock (DBMinus AND DBZ Special iterations). Vegeta is just about one of the best characters in the show, he caught my attention in the beginning, showing himself to be the only villain besides Cell who actually had Goku beaten and bloody, unable to move. He had me moved during his speech to Goku on Namek, he showed me his extra depth of character in the Cell Saga, and he had me in tears during his final moments as Majin Vegeta. Vegeta should be loved and appreciated by everyone who watches or reads Dragon Ball. Even if you hate him, at least respect his character for all of his moments and flaws.

I've been watching your stuff lately, specifically The Anatomy of Anime, and as someone who enjoys DB very casually I appreciate the franchise a whole lot more after this video.

ive watched and enjoyed a lot of your video. I cant explain why, but this one brought me the most joy

I cannot express how much it really IRRITATES me when a content creator doesn't credit the music he uses in a video in the description or anything. There are 7 months worth of comments asking what the song at 5:13 is to no avail. Can't even make any kind of guess as to where to find it because it wasnt credited. And that is very annoying

@Suave121

4 жыл бұрын

SMELLS LIKE BITCH IN HERE

@Levi-oh4lt

4 жыл бұрын

@@Suave121 Probably because you showed up

@Suave121

4 жыл бұрын

@@Levi-oh4lt noice

@tempest1702

4 жыл бұрын

Yup months later and here we are still waiting

5:12 gives me goosebumps, every fucking time

Man this is such a great video, you captured perfectly what I've been thinking of for a long time. And this is also one of the reasons of Kai's failure. The point was to cut the unecessary filler episodes, and they failed to realise that the long waiting is not filler, it builds emotion and anticipation. The way those drawn out moments fit with the music as well made the whole story, and Kai's music was... soulless, in comparison. It's like cutting out paragraphs from a book to get to the plot already. Thank you for getting this.

@ifeanyiozoh5735

5 жыл бұрын

The original was a failure and had long boring scenes of people just standing around screaming

Excellent! You're so right about the importance of the story, prior to the epic fights. Thanks for the video man, it was great.

This is why I will always love the original over kai. Filler isnt useless, it helps fill in the world and make it feel alive

@boshwa20

5 жыл бұрын

Filler drags a show for a time so that the manga can catch up

@bluepoint9474

5 жыл бұрын

@@boshwa20 cough!! cough!! naruto cough!! cough!!

You should make a 10 hours loop of Vegeta saying wrestling's fake

Can I mention TFS Dragonball Abridge real quick? Yeah, it's one of the best, funniest things I've ever seen... but if we didn't already know what we do about dragonball, it wouldn't nearly be as good. It's good because we know the backstory, the context, the inside jokes, everything. And that's why it's awesome

Waiting allows to basically build tension in a show or movie. A good example is some rom com shows and movies where they build the protagonist and his/her love interests as whether they will work out or not. That’s why waiting is good

lol for a sec I was feeling deja vu until I realized it was a re-upload

This video cured my depression. At the very least, it helped cheer me up or kicked me into being motivated. Currently on the “snake way” arc of my life where every thing is a struggle. This is why I love Dragonball. Everything about Dragonball can be applied to life. The struggle, loss and pain all helped characters develop into who they are and who they should be.

I know everyone has noticed, but I haven't seen a comment specifically stating this. I love the way how you do a little thing at the end of your videos to emphasize your point. Like how in this one, you said "the importance..." and you had a three second pause, "of waiting." Or how in the Gohan video the twist at the end about the gohan in the thumbnail, that was awesome. Keep making videos my guy.

@9:25 It feels really nice hearing someone compliment the anime's TOP ;) No one can deny it's faults, but....it means a lot to me personally.

TNM: Says planning Also TNM: Shows GT

I hate when people discuss certain scenes as "Filler" some of those scenes are the best moments in Dragonball. This video is spot on with my view towards storytelling in general. Too many people nowadays are impatient and absent minded.

@Shiirow

5 жыл бұрын

they are filler but filler isnt a bad thing as a concept, they "fill in" the spots in the world the manga doesnt. its a careful balance when adapting a manga to anime while the manga is still being produced. you need interesting and thought provoking filler to fill out the show to pace it properly so the anime and the manga can co-exist. its a perilous symbiotic relationship. in fact, if the filler episodes are done well enough, they can become canon. Just take the jinchuuriki from Naruto. most werent even a footnote outside of Naruto and Gaara, but the filler created and fleshed out the remaining ones well enough the actual manga creator actually canonized them within the pages of the manga.

@iammaximumstupied

5 жыл бұрын

Shiirow yep. There is bad filler and good filler, and even in bad filler sometimes that pop out with great storys or hints

This is the best vidoe I've watched all year, this channel is so great

Bruh I legit cried when you broke down vegeta's character growth. Best redemption arc of all time

I love how ironic the fanbase is sometimes In Z people complained the fights were too long In Super people complained the fights were too short I mean, it’s either/or and They can’t decide...

@PlanetZoidstar

5 жыл бұрын

A problem in Super is the way it is written, not enough time it given to set up the antagonists, get us invested in the stakes or sympathise with the characters. Everyone is dumbed down (especially Goku), the supporting cast is largely ignored, and there is no sense of tension.

@gijspijnenborg8485

5 жыл бұрын

That's true @@PlanetZoidstar, but they can't decide because they don't have the time to make that dicision themself

@El-Melloi

5 жыл бұрын

1. A fanbase isn't a hivemind, people have different opinions 2. The fights in Z were often too long because they just had tons of repeated movements and screaming to fill up time. While a lot of fights in Super are 'Oh, here's a character. Oh, character is defeated by the end of the episode without us caring about him/her, moving on'.

@popstarchamp

5 жыл бұрын

First, different people within a fanbase can have different opinoins. It's not some sort of hivemind. Second, crazy thought, maybe Z was genuinely slow (not that I minded) and Super was genuinely too fast (again, I was ok with it) and the creators made those mistakes and the fans just point them out?

I loved filler episodes because you got more personality in those episodes.

@thesmartonesback2650

3 жыл бұрын

Except the potafu and garlick jr arc

This is one of the best videoes I have watched about anime on KZread.

Your content helps me appreciate the media I consime in a much greater capacity. Currently watching Dragon Ball for the first time and I have to admit, the journey is more important than people realize.

*i need the music at* 5:07

@jonnynull7816

4 жыл бұрын

Think it’s his theme backwards

@alexwithaz282

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonnynull7816 who’s theme?

I agree with your overall argument here, but I disagree with your examples. There is a difference between building up and wasting time. I am not trying to take away your enjoyment out of those fillers, anime is a different than the manga format, and the story can benefit from fillers. With that said, I think most of DBZ fillers are pointless and and were made to stretch the anime life span and keep the distance from the original manga. Now, you are right, the story has to EARN the big moments, and the DBZ certanly has, as much as a fight has to have stakes and reaons, otherwise is just a bunching people punch each other for no reason. Great video man. If I am not mistaken, in the original manga the japonese waited months before Goku crossed Snake Way. That.. is waiting haha.

@spacepenguins8939

4 жыл бұрын

Saumithra Mallipeddi There’s a fan edit called “dragon ball recut” that takes the show to 82 episodes and so far I’m loving it It cuts out all the filler scenes and episodes and it’s flowed pretty well, don’t feel like I’m missing anything major Its in English and Japanese so it’s a Win Win and the closets we will probably get to a OG KAI

@amosamwig8394

4 жыл бұрын

nah, you're just impatience, get on the journey or get out to netflix

@spacepenguins8939

4 жыл бұрын

amosa mwig There’s a difference between waiting and watching the show unfold and actual filler that’s only purpose is to draw out the story so the manga can get further ahead it’s not impatience if there’s an official version of the show that removes all the filler (and is still a “long” show that requires patience to see the story unfold)

@amosamwig8394

4 жыл бұрын

@@spacepenguins8939 *impatience noises*

@spacepenguins8939

4 жыл бұрын

amosa mwig Do you understand the definition of the word you keep saying DBZ is 291 episodes, with filler that isn’t there to enhance the story, doesn’t make Gohans fight with Cell better or Vegeta’s redemption more impactful ( bet you’ll say you love the Garlic Jr saga) DBKai is 158 episodes and tells the same story without the creators having to drag out every episode. If Toei themselves recut, re-edit and Redub an entire show that kinda proves that there was a problem

Thank you for making this video, I liked every single episode of DB, but you are making others realize why every single episode necessary

The misadventures of Goku on snakeway, child Gohan's adventures during his training with Piccolo for the Saiyans, that weird place Tien, Chiaotzu, Yamcha, and Krillin got sent to by Mr Popo to train for the Saiyan arrival, even Garlic Jr to a lesser extent, and the biggest one of all- Mr Satan and Good Buu spending time together before Buu's dog Bee was shot dead by scum Humans. All of these really filled the world of DBZ for me when I was young. Especially child Gohan's adventures during Piccolo's training. I was honestly shocked to find out that that was "filler" because it really developed Gohan and allowed him to grow not only as a character but also beyond just being a rage powerhouse.

I don't really think its works to conflate character progression with what happened on Snake way.

I need whatever song is playing at 5:13 because it sounds great

Thank you for making this my dude It's not the destination it's the journey.

your style in both editing and Narration are super nice, bro you earned that Sub hard!!!

Nice video, though I have to argue some things here. Most of your examples are related to character arc and development, which I am sure not many were bothered about. The problem people had with waiting were episodes which had no value, did not serve to build character, nor contribute to the story. Episodes like Gohan's birthday, Goku chasing Bubbles an entire episode, and Gohan, Krillin, and Bulma being captured on their way to Namek were good because they expanded upon the world and the characters involved. How did Gohan get his name? What steps did Goku take that led King Kai to becoming impressed to consider training him as he did? Who is this great threat Bulma and crew were warned about? Now let's look at episodes like Goku and Piccolo learning how to drive Goku running in to General Tao. Funny in their own right, a nice fan service to bring back an old character, but did any of it contribute to the story? Did it impact Goku in any way? Did it even matter? Would anything change of the events if the episode didin't exist? Probably not. With Dragon Ball, I was all for the adventure, slice of life, and the fighting. With Dragonball Z I was in it for all 3 up until the Android Saga. From there I mostly leaned towards the slice of life and adventure, but with Gohan vs. Cell I was rooting for him all the way. After that, I lost interest in the Super Sayians and powerhouses and paid more respect to the development of Gohan and Videl in Highschool. GT was a hit and miss, but I certainly enjoyed the adventure of it. With Super, I'm just not too big a fan of the fighting anymore. If I am to be honest, IMO Vegeta being a family man is THE highlight of Super for me.

@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010

5 жыл бұрын

Vegeta has one of the best arcs of them all

Ok yes but there’s a difference between long story arch’s developing a character and watching pointless filler that dose very little for the story just look at half of naruto

@ballislife9924

5 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed that actually

@ripper3052

5 жыл бұрын

Dbz fillers aren't bad

@sonnywoods6846

5 жыл бұрын

I think people confuse the Garlic Jr and Heaven Tournament Arch Fillers with the DBZ fillers. There were not that many fillers in DBZ that didn't move the story along. Most of the Fillers were extended fight scenes that most people think are epic. The other filler scenes were showing the characters train or show us what the characters were doing between time skips like what Gohan while he was trying to survive on his own. The Fake Namek arch was only 3 episodes I think not that long!

@nillomat

5 жыл бұрын

@@sonnywoods6846 The biggest "fillers" in DBZ are waiting almost a whole episode for cell's final transformation or similar scenes of characters charging attacks for ages with nothing going on in the meantime.

@Redstar2613

5 жыл бұрын

I took 2 paragraphs to say pretty much the same thing lol

Hey Totally Not Mark! I find your work inspirational and important for understanding why this series is absolutely powerful. With that being said, I think the reason the audience waits so long is because the networks just want to make tons of episodes to get the most our of their ratings and merch sales. I consider you to be a film critic, because you understand the structure so well. I believe the show can be just as powerful, with lesser amounts of episodes. Filler is created for sales, and not so much the art form. If your argument is that Kai was too fast, I totally understand that and am willing to meet you in the middle. After all, a good film generally has 1.5 hours to keep the audience compelled. 3 hours if that world totally rocks! I appreciate you my friend, excited to watch the next vid!

Well, to counter point the gohan super saiyan 2 transformation. That moment was actually my first introduction to dragon ball. And because of how powerful it made gohan appear, it stuck with me for a long time and still does.

can anybody please help me find the background song that start at 5:08 while gohan ascends to super saiyan?

This is my 2nd favorite of your videos

@papaphoenix7533

5 жыл бұрын

Jayku 162 what was your favorite?

@perrofeliz56

5 жыл бұрын

Nel este el mejor video de el >:v

I spend my entire life waiting. TV shows, movies, games, anime. Waiting for the end of a work day or a weekend or vacation. Too much damn time waiting but...I never had an issue with the stuff between fights on dragon ball. I love it all as does my son, his favorite parts of anime would be the lighthearted moments.

Man i LOVE the wait! You nailed it man. I love lore

It's hard to pick a favorite charactee between Piccolo, Vegeta, and Gohan.

Patience is a virtue

I did not mind a lot of the original 'filler' arcs, though some times they were just that, filler (Everyone screaming for three episodes straight), but when sharing this series with my friends, even for Kia, it took us several years to get through it from the beginning of Dragon Ball to the end of Kai. I can not even imagine having tried to watch it from beginning to end if we were watching the original run and not bing watching five episodes at a time. It would have taken us FOREVER to complete the series. So while 'filler' can be good during a show's initial run, and give the audience more to the world and tide them over until the main story gets started again, it can be really tedious to rewatch.

waiting when i first saw planet namek arc. that was intense and the wind howling was super atmospheric. great video as ever!

9:38 Super Saiyan 3 also just came out of nowhere.

@Friddle

5 жыл бұрын

They also didnt show how goku or vegeta obtained super saiyan 2, yes gohan found it first and could have taught vegeta but i wanted to see that and how goku managed to do it without gohan

@Moe-mi7qe

5 жыл бұрын

Friddle .... or maybe they trained hard to achieve ssj2???

@Friddle

5 жыл бұрын

Antilighten yes I realise but that’s what I wanted to see, them train hard

@bruhbruh1580

4 жыл бұрын

Antilighten same could be said with ss3

Hope some of the writers see this

The Gohan’s transformation into SSJ2 always make me cry, this scene drag me to my old days watching it for the first time. Great video!!!!

I have never had a problem with waiting for a story to unfold, that is how a TV show is supposed to be. Hell, I nearly lost it when I finally got to see DBZA ep. 60 because of how team four star showed Gohan's relationship with his two dad's culminating in a very powerful moment. I haven't seen seen Dragon Ball not because of the breaks between the fights, but because it takes too long for the story to be told. If nothing happens in an episode, if I'm not engaged in what's happening, if the episode ends and no one or nothing has changed in some way; it's not a good wait. It's boring, "you're boring me."