Thank you 💕💕💕💕

Brother Richie I've been a oneness believer since 2004 and listening to you break this down makes me see that any other teaching is almost laughable

@realtruthseeker521

5 жыл бұрын

Joe Jr Really - is that how you comfort yourself sir? Sorry for this question I’m about to ask because there is assumption involved but have you yourself took the time to study and listen to both sides of the argument. Another question have you ever changed your mind or learned that you were wrong about something you once thought to be true. Like I once thought the Holy Spirit literally I swelled inside me. Then I read verses that say the Father and Jesus also dwell in us and is in them and then this study led me to understand that the dwelling is when my will lines up with Gods instructions. Paul said “be filled with the spirit “. Well how do we go out and do that? He compared it to consuming wine and therefore I understand that by consuming the word of God I fill myself with the spirit. Jesus was filled with the spirit when the devil tried to tempt him and that is how he was able to recall the verses that told him what God said was better than what Satan was saying. I stand for truth and defend it friend and if you can show me where I error I would really appreciate it because the salvation of myself and my loved ones and those who I help teach are all on the line and that is huge responsibility. I am a teacher of Gods word as well as learner and student and it says we will be judged more strictly. Talk to me. Bibleauthority777@yahoo.com

@sirhood1848

4 жыл бұрын

@@realtruthseeker521 let me try to explain it to you, Truth Seeker! Let's first look at Matthew 28:19. If you can grasp what I'm telling you, you will receive the spiritual understanding, I HOPE! (Matthew 28:19) "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Let me break this verse down for you. Jesus COMMANDED His disciples to baptize 'IN THE NAME OF' the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Question: What is the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost? Jesus said it, plain as day! "...baptizing them in the 'NAME'..." SINGULAR "of the Father....," THUS, THE FATHER HAS A NAME "...and of the Son....," and that name we all know as Jesus, "...and of the Holy Ghost." Inferring that the Holy Ghost has a name! So, what is the name of the Father? Many people would argue that the Holy Ghost has no name! Jesus taught us that the Holy Spirit and the Father DO in fact have a name. Before I reveal that name to you, in case you don't know it already, let's read Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." It is ALSO talking about a NAME! SINGULAR! ONE NAME! Now, I refer you to John 5:43 "I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." Jesus said that He came in, or BERING the name of His Father! Thus, the NAME, SINGULAR, of the Father, is what? Who was speaking here? JESUS! What did He say? He came in His Father's name. Thus, the Father's name is JESUS! Next: John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Jesus stated that the Father sent the Holy Ghost, IN HIS NAME! Again, notice the singularity of the NAME! Thus, the NAME of the Holy Ghost is JESUS! So simple! (John 1:1-3) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. {2} The same was in the beginning with God. {3} All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." This one is self-explanatory! "In the beginning was the Word!" Let's read the first four words of Geneses 1:1: In the beginning, GOD! God is the WORD! Now let's read John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." 'AND THE WORD" God "WAS MADE FLESH"! Now let's go to 1 Timothy 3:16 "God was manifest in the flesh..." God appeared to man in the flesh. God BECAME flesh! God died on the cross for us. Don't believe me? God cannot die, you say? Let's read 1 John 3:16, and of course, reading from the only inspired word of God, the King James Bible. Nothing else can compare to it: (1 John 3:16) "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren." Do you see the name of Jesus mentioned or implied here? No! It is specifically speaking about God! We serve ONE God, who is able to MANIFEST (1 Timothy 3:16) Himself in three separate forms. I have one more scripture for you: (Isaiah 9:6) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." This verse is speaking about Jesus, not GOD! Jesus is called 'THE MIGHTY GOD'! But WAIT! Jesus can't be God, because His FATHER is God! That would imply, according to the Trinity Doctrine, that there is more than one God, but the Bible is clear about how many TRUE Gods there are. ONE! Now, But THIS verse says that JESUS is God! Go figure! Jesus is also called, the everlasting Father. This brings up yet another verse I must share with you: Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers? John 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Now, for the best part, the part that many people cannot grasp: Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. There you have it! You only have ONE Father, and He is in Heaven! So what do you call your earthly Father? Whatever you like! But it can't be FATHER! This includes the Catholic priests, whom people call, FATHER! This is clearly against God's Holy Word! Well, this should give you lot's to think and ponder on, my friend! God bless, and happy studying! Oh, and by the way, in most other books that are called 'bibles', in 1 John 3:16, you will notice the name of Jesus inserted! The NIV is one of them, that's way it, among many others, are corrupt works, created by man, and NOT inspired by God! Blessings!

@realtruthseeker521

4 жыл бұрын

@@sirhood1848 Sirhood, please indicate first what point your trying to make taking me to great commission, are you trying possibly suggest the baptism in the verse is baptism of the Holy Spirit? Like are you trying to tell me.... just what are you trying to say? Your comment doesn't respond to anything I am saying, so what do you think I have a problem with? Sorry for the misunderstanding but I need more information to understand what you are looking for. Also here is my email. bibleauthority777@yahoo.com I personally I am trying to help folks understand that Jesus started His church, and the church, kingdom, body, bride, all make up the same group of people. These people are the people that will meet Jesus in the air upon his return and at this time of His return the earth and universe will be completely destroyed with fervent heat. I therefore want to tell people how to have the Lord add you to this group. You can't join this group yourself because the Lord adds you to this body when you respond to His grace. Acts 2:41- Those that believed were baptized and about three thousand were added that day. Acts 2:47- "and the LORD added to their number daily those that were being saved" Lets discuss this if you will and reason together from the scriptures. Appreciate you!

@robertnieten7259

2 жыл бұрын

@@realtruthseeker521 I too am a teacher of the Word and I'd only like to make two points in reference to your post. 1) To be filled with the Word isn't to be filled with the Word. The Word inseminates our spirit and cleanses us but it isn't the Holy Spirit. 2) We are filled with the Holy Spirit through prayer. The Holy Spirit is recieved by the believer as the result of the Holy Spirit baptism and the initial evidence of this occurring is always the spiritual language our English translation calls " tongues".

@realtruthseeker521

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertnieten7259 I’m sorry you have falling for this idea. There is only One Baptism that is for everyone. Baptism of the HS was a PROMISE that came and was fulfilled. I Corinthians 13 starting in 8 tells us that tongues would cease. Paul told the Ephesians there is ONE baptism. Reading the scriptures shows us that water baptism is FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS (acts 2:38). And for newness of life Roman’s 6:3-6. Ananias told Paul “what are you waiting for arise and be baptized and “wash away your sins” “.

Incredible brother Richie thank you Lord Jesus for opening my spiritual eyes to all these truths And thank you Lord for sending brother Richie in brother Bernard To reveal these truths and Lord we will not fail to give you all the praise worship honor and glory in Jesus name a man

I totally believe this very same gospel, This is the Truth,i was a trinitarian for years but it was complicated belief because in contridicts Scriptures so glad i have come to know that JESUS is the Father in the flesh,and HE JESUS IS GOD! !

I challenge Trinitarians, Arians, and Socinian Unitarians to prove the points I made on this video to be false. If you cannot refute the scriptural evidence, then you need to embrace the truth with a noble heart.

God is omnicient & omnipresent, He is above all, Through all and in all. The Holy Spirit could not come until Jesus ascended.

@alr123141

3 жыл бұрын

This is exactly how I see God. I quit going to traditional 'church', because I wasn't hearing what I knew to be in God's Word. Thank God I have the truth.

Honor to GOD THE HOLY GHOST! Finally,HE is being honored as GOD as HE deserves! Honor to you Sir for your communion of THE HOLY GHOST,with HIM=2Cor 13:14! HalleluYah! I must also,in agreement with you also add=2John5:7,8 There are THREE that bear record in Heaven,THE FATHER,THE WORD,AND THE HOLY GHOST: and these three are ONE. And there are three that bear witness in earth:THE SPIRIT,and the water,and the blood,and these three agree in ONE. AMEN. My love-charity be with you all in CHRIST,my Employer as HIS holy apostle with HIM.

I'M ALREADY HERE BUT THEY NEVER NOTICE ME SINCE I SPREAD THE GOSPEL OF MY FATHER OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOR THE MESSIAH ALMIGHTY FATHER. BUT NO ONE NOTICE ME THAT I'M BORN IN THE PHILIPPINES THE GARDEN OF EDEN THEY NEVER SEEKING ME BUT I'M SEEKING THEM I WILL SURPRISE THEM IN THE END.

Do you have this lesson on transcript.

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

www.apostolicchristianfaith.com/single-post/2016/10/23/The-Holy-Spirit-is-the-Spirit-of-the-Father-and-Son-John-1423

Thank you so much for Great videos. YHWH is yahoshuah. Amen 💙

I've believed for a long while that God has always been Spirit/ spirit, soul, and body.

Question: if the spirit in us intercedes for us, and Jesus after the resurrection exists as a composite divine/glorified human spirit, does this mean that the Holy Spirit who dwells in the believers is actually a composite spirit (of Jesus) consisting of divine and human glorified spiritual components ? That does seem to be what you are teaching at the end of this video, that believers are possessed (inhabited) by the Holy Spirit who is deity but also the glorified human spirit of Jesus at the same time.

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

The standard Oneness belief is the same as the Trinitarian belief in a hypostatic union of the two natures in Christ. However, I do not like to define the scriptural belief that God also became a man via virgin conception while never ceasing to be what He has always been with such terms as "hypostatic union" and "a composite spirit consisting of divine and human" components in Christ because such human definitions may lead to various errors. For example, we can never say that Jesus Christ exists as half God and half man because his new human mode of existence is fully God's Divine Person with us as a 100% fully complete human being. I believe that the Holy Spirit of God the Father can refer to the Father alone and at other times to the Father's new human mode of existence as the Son of God. For God is One Divine Person as our only true God the Father Who is a Spirit. After the incarnation, the Holy Spirit of God now has two modes of existence via virgin conception: God as God the Father and Immanuel God with us in a new human mode of existence as a true man.

@thebiblerefutesheretics2054

6 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries Interesting. So when The Holy Spirit intercedes for us while dwelling in us, this refers not only to the Divine Spirit of God but also to the human glorified resurrected spirt of Jesus. It is only the human spirit of Jesus in us (a created spirit) that can pray to God (on our behalf) as God does not pray to himself. Unless the concept of the Spirit praying for us is only a figure of speech, meaning the Spirit teaches us how to pray and it is actually us as humans who pray to God as the Spirit leads us. This is the only other way to understand it. I think you understand it literally that it is Jesus in us who is praying to the father interceding for us?

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

Romans 8:26 clearly states that "the Spirit HIMSELF makes intercession FOR US with groanings too deep for words." And again, Rom. 8:27 says, "HE INTERCEDES FOR THE SAINTS according to the will of God." Here we find that the Spirit of God is identified as "the Spirit HIMSELF" rather than the Spirit teaching us to pray. There cannot be a non-literal interpretation here. What exactly is your theological belief? Since Isaiah 46:9 says, "I am God and there is none else. I am God AND THERE IS NONE LIKE ME" Jesus has to be the Divine Identity as God with us as a man. How exactly can Christ Jesus be the indwelling "Spirit of God" (Romans 8:9; Gal. 4:6; John 14:17-18; 2 Cor. 3:17; Col. 1:27) within true NT believers while not being God? Who else but God alone can dwell in all NT believers worldwide? Can a mere man be omnipresent like God and not be that God? And who else but God alone can hear and answer prayers? "If you shall ask anything in my name I WILL DO IT" (John 14:14)?

@thebiblerefutesheretics2054

6 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries God has no need to pray, but we do. I understand it to mean the Spirit in us is prompting us to pray in the correct way but it is us humans who actually do the actual praying. The Spirit aids us in that. Without the Spirit we will fail in our prayers. I do agree the human spirit of Jesus intercedes for us though.

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

Arab Not Muslim - Mr. Sam Shamoun just sent me an email to inform me that he will not be participating in a debate with me until he gets through a personal crisis that he is currently going through right now. I told him to contact me when he knows he is ready for a debate. God Bless!

Jesus taught that two persons are one without losing their individual identity. "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate" (Matthew 19:5-6). You can clearly see that one here includes two persons. The same is true with the word God. Yet we don’t here people arguing this as impossible. Jesus prayed that all believers might be one. Read John 17:20-22. "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one." One in this passage cannot and does not mean only one person. Furthermore, Jesus prayed that his followers would be one AS (note the adverb of comparison) he and his father are one. "As" means "in this way," or "in this manner." Therefore one God does not mean only one person of God.

I have some questions.

@greglance4335

5 жыл бұрын

Ask away - so have I - I'm interested in your questions.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit equals 3 in one ✝️🌷

@RoseSharon7777

4 жыл бұрын

That is NO WHERE in scripture!

@theresarose5242

4 жыл бұрын

@@RoseSharon7777 yes it is, seek and you shall find. Blessings to you ✝️🌷

@RoseSharon7777

4 жыл бұрын

@@theresarose5242 No it isnt. Study to show yourself approved. I highly suggest you learn Hebrew and Greek and learn how exegesis the scripture. You are simply being led around by the nose by the beast harlot church and are too biblically illiterate to know any better. Pretty sad. Question: who is the spirit of the Son in your trinity doctrine? Who is God in the Hebrew in the OT?

@RoseSharon7777

4 жыл бұрын

@@theresarose5242 HIS PEOPLE perish for lack of knowledge. That would be you. You are obviously VERY biblically illiterate and have very low study skills.

@RoseSharon7777

4 жыл бұрын

@Theresa Rose If you're going to make a claim to the world with such confidence you best be prepared to prove your faith. Please provide scripture that says theGod the father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Just one verse will suffice.

What baffles me is the fact that i know of pentecostals who have been baptized in the Holy Spirit with the initial evidence but attend the trinitarian Assemblies of God.

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; View more verses Chapter 112 Absoluteness سورة الإخلاص - Al-Ikhlas: Verse 2 اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; View more verses Chapter 112 Absoluteness سورة الإخلاص - Al-Ikhlas: Verse 3 لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; View more verses Chapter 112 Absoluteness سورة الإخلاص - Al-Ikhlas: Verse 4 وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ And there is none like unto Him.

how about these verses? John 14:28,John 7:11 and Revelation 3:21?

@samshields1116

3 жыл бұрын

What about em??

Let us not forget the word of God in the beginning. Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in our image, after our likeness: Genesis 11:7 Go to, let US go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

Can you cite a single Jewish writer before AD 300 who ever taught that God was speaking to two other alleged true God Persons beside Himself? Jewish writers taught that God the Father was speaking to His heavenly court. Jesus always taught that his Father is "the only true God." The apostles taught that Jesus the Son of God is the only image of the invisible Father (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3; Heb. 2:17).

@narrowwaytolife4525

6 жыл бұрын

Genesis 18:20-33, 32:24-30 Daniel 3:25, 10:13, 10:21, 12:1 John 8:18, John 10:30 Jude 9 Revelation 12:7

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

All of the verses you referenced do not say that God talked to two other true God Persons. After God granted a distinct human life to His Son (John 5:26) that is when the Father and Son relationship began in time (Hebrews 1:5; 2 Samuel 7:14). Therefore, all of the references you cited in the Hebrew Bible could not show a Father and Son relationship literally occurring before the virgin conception. Heb. 1:1-2 states that God spoke in time past to the Israelite ancestors through the prophets but in these last days He has spoken to us through His son. Since the son of God did not speak until these last days, the son of God could not have existed as a son before his virgin conception and birth. Let me be more specific. I challenge you to cite a single Jewish writer who ever believed the Trinitarian interpretation of Genesis 1:27 before Christ was born.

I believe that it is NOT humanly possible for most Trinitarians to grasp this biblical truth, not unless the Lord has mercy upon them and opens their blind eyes and deaf ears through some kind of suffering, like he did for me. Only God knew my capacity for the love of the truth, and that I was in genuine ingnorance and unbelief. Only he knew what it would take to humble me, and I'm SO grateful that he did! For Trinitarians to deny the idolatry of their mystical Pythagorean math where 3 separate persons = 1 God, is the same as Catholics who say they don't WORSHIP Mary they VENERATE her. But for those few souls who are humble and desire to know the truth, I urge you to research how Greek philosophy from Aristotle, Plato, Plotinus et al helped compromisers, the father's of the faith so-called i.e. wolves in sheep's clothing, to formulate the Trinity hundreds of years after Jesus' Ascension.

As a man 'comes upon' a woman so the Holy Spirit 'came upon' Samson Judges 14:19 and Mary Luke 1:35 Samson&Mary to give heavenly strength man relaxes woman, strength, to receive, conceive, child man's input implants child finally the Highest overshadows Mary implants Word's Godgiven body Hebrews 10:5 servant body Philippians 2:7 so Jesus' Father is Highest the Son of Highest Luke 1:32

That's because Spirit that was in JESUS was the FATHER that gave birth to human flesh JESUS the name was an inherited name of the FATHER ,FATHER GOD IS JESUS Whom became flesh and dwelt among us,ephesians 4:4-6 there is one body and one Spirit and one calling,one faith,one lord,one baptism, one GOD AND FATHER who is above all ,and through all,and in you All

(25) And We sent not before you any messenger except We revealed to him that, "There is no deity except Me, so worship Me." And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken a son." Exalted is He! Rather, they[882] are [but] honored servants. (27) They cannot precede Him in word, and they act by His command. (28) He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them,[883] and they cannot intercede except on behalf of one whom He approves. And they, from fear of Him, are apprehensive.

@MARIOHAKAI

2 жыл бұрын

My dear friend, please consider this. Do I know you better than your mom or dad? I am a stranger online who has no idea where you even live. It would be very wrong for me to give record of you as a person without me never meeting you. However, this is the type of scenario we find when we hear Muhammad giving record of the Lord Jesus Christ. Muhammad never met the Lord Jesus, He did not meet His early Apostles, or His disciples' disciples or His Disciples' disciples' disciples. If I were to ask you whose record is more reliable: the early writings of those who lived with the Lord, or within His lifetime versus the record of a man who lived generations apart without a trace of connection to that person, whose record would you believe? Look deep into your heart, do you really see yourself answering honestly and saying Muhammad? Look very deep within because your logic will immediately say. The record of those who lived within His lifetime. As it should. Do not close your ear for the sake of something you have believed your whole life. I can tell you with certainty that the record of those qho lived with the Lord is true, because not only do their records agree with each other but they have the prophetic word given by all the prophets prior to the Lord Jesus Christ, which confirms hat God would be the One coming down to Earth to save humanity from their sin. There is no way you can justify yourself by means of good deeds. For someone who has committed a crime is unable to justify themselves in front of the law, for such an attempt would be considered bribery in the eyes of a human judge, how much more in the eyes of the Lord God Almighty who will not let the guilty go unless His fine has been paid. There was one who came down from heaven to pay and atone for your wrongs, the problem is that we tend to think we are good people who can save themselves, oh my friend, how deluded that type of thinking is. No matter how many good deeds we ever do,we can never repair what we have done against God. The giver of life is the ultimate source of goodness and even the smallest lie carries with it a high enough offense to separate you from Him who is untainted and without blemish. How will you reconcile yourself oh man to the One who is the source of all goodness when even your "tiniest" sin carries with it condemnation. Unless He accounts for your sin and redeems for what you have done, you cannot wash yourself from that sin. Whether you give to the poor 70 x 70 your sin remains unless you are washed and redeemed by Him who is able. Transfer your trust from your own goodness and put it onto the Savior who died a horrible death to bring you life on that cross, and after having shed His blood for you He came back to life at the 3rd day, and He is now seated at the right hand of God crowned with honor and glory. Now ready to judge both the living and the dead. On that day of resurrection, those who are washed in His precious blood will shine bright for eternity but those who have tried to wash themselves through their merit like Cain with His produce offering will face the day of disappointment. Cain tried to offer of his hard work to God but the righteous Abel put the trust on the providence of God by giving a sacrifice to God from one of the unblemished lambs which spoke of the savior to come. I hope the Lord God leads you to the cross which is the only place where you will be able to find eternal life, in Jesus' name I pray amen.

How could the Spirit be sent by the Father if He is the Father?

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

God said that He would pour out His own Spirit upon all flesh (Joel 2:28) and that He sent His own word (Psalm 107:20). It is not hard to fathom how our omnipresent Heavenly Father can send His own word and Spirit without having to vacate heaven in order to do so. While no human or angelic creation can "pour out" or "send" a created spirit, only our Heavenly Father can send His Spirit while continuing to fill the heavens and the earth (Jer. 23:24).

If what you preach is actually true, then my question is who did the Lord Jesus cry to while hanging on the cross "My God My God why hath thou forsaken me?" Thank you

@globalimpactministries766

4 жыл бұрын

Because God as the omnipresent Father also became a true human son (a man). Only the miraculous nature of God can do this. One God Became One Man kzread.info/dash/bejne/X22KptiTc6m-dqw.html The Distinction Between the Father and Son kzread.info/dash/bejne/Za6Ml5ujo7zgj6w.html

@samshields1116

3 жыл бұрын

It was the spirit of God leaving the man Christ Jesus he said that then groaned one more time then died that’s just what it meant

did the Holy Spirit ever have a conversation with the father or the son

So who sent the Holy Spirit on Jesus when he was baptized by John?

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

Our Heavenly Father's Holy Spirit came down upon Christ at his baptism while our Heavenly Father spoke. Since Jesus Christ had not yet ascended into heaven, the Father would have poured out or sent His own Spirit down upon Jesus.

@shellback1984

6 жыл бұрын

But many are saying that Christ was the Father incarnate so how can the Father do it unless they are separate and are not one in the same.

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

Clay Pendleton, Yes, Christ is God the Father incarnate as an authentic human being. Like Trinitarians, we do not state that the Father and Son are "separate" because we acknowledge that there is an ontological distinction between God as God (the Father) and Emmanuel God with us as a man (the Son).

@shellback1984

6 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries so Gods throne was empty while he was on earth? That makes a load of sense - more like mans wisdom not Gods.

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

Clay Pendleton, No, man's wisdom thinks that God would have to vacate heaven to become a man. Yet such a belief clearly contradicts Malachi 3:6 which says, "I am Yahweh, I change not" and Hebrews 13:8, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. " How could Jesus Christ have been the same yesterday and today if he had vacated heaven and lost his divine attribute of omnipresence?

'one Lord' has the Greek word for 'one' that means 'many-in-one' as we know that there are two Lords: God who is Lord Acts 4:26 which is a quote from Psalm 2, and Jesus is Lord John 13:13 'You call me Lord and Master, and you say well; for so I am'. Even so we know that there are two men the Father and Jesus according to Scripture John 10:34-35 from John 8:17-18 that both testify, as before a judge, about the identity of Jesus. a judge would be expecting to see a man having a body with body parts, a soul from the nsama breath of life, and (unseen but known to be) a rhuach spirit of man within him, according to Scripture Genesis 2:7, Zechariah 12:1Pairone

Are you saying God had to come into the sinful flesh in order to DIE as a man for us ????

The Holy Spirit is GOD WHO IS IN THE FORM OF A SPIRIT ("God is a spirit"). This can be demonstrated. The first big question is WHO IS INSIDE JESUS ? Well, we are absolutely sure that THE FATHER IS INSIDE JESUS AND LEADS HIM VERY TIGHTLY when speaking and acting : (1) "Truly, truly I say to you, THE SON IS NOT ABLE TO DO ANYTHING of himself,45 but ONLY WHAT HE SEES THE FATHER DOING; for whatever things that One does, THESE THINGS ALSO THE SON DOES LIKEWISE. (2) "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will find out that I am he, and OF MYSELF I DO NOTHING, but rather EXACTLY AS THE FATHER HAS TAUGHT ME, THOSE THINGS I SPEAK. 29And the one who sent me IS CONTINUALLY WITH ME. HE HAS NOT LEFT ME ALONE, because I always do the things pleasing to him." (3) "49 FOR I FROM MYSELF HAVE NOT SPOKEN; rather, the Father who sent me, he has given me COMMANDMENT, WHAT I SHOULD SAY, and HOW I SHOULD SPEAK. 50And I know, that his commandment means eternal life. Therefore, WHAT THINGS I SPEAK, JUST AS THE FATHER HAS SAID THEM TO ME, I SPEAK THEM JUST SO." (4) "The statements which I say to you I do NOT SPEAK FROM MYSELF, BUT THE FATHER ABIDING IN ME IS DOING HIS WORKS." .......... But we know that the HOLY SPIRIT IS INSIDE JESUS! (5) "FILLED with the Holy Spirit, Jesus returned from Jordan and was LED BY THE SPIRIT into the wilderness."..... Does this mean that Jesus has TWO SPIRITS: (1) the Father AND (2) the Holy Spirit inside Him to help Him? Of course NOT, as clearly stated by Him ("I am not ALONE because the FATHER is with me"). Thus, ONLY ONE SPIRIT - the Father - helps Jesus. This simply means that the HOLY SPIRIT IS THE FATHER, who is a spirit ("God is a spirit") and who is called "Spirit of God" aka "Holy Spirit". Not only in Jesus, exactly the same kind of relief - by the Father - when speaking - also occurs inside the apostles: "because it is not ye that will speak, but the SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER...".

I will study this video more in depth and respond with some questions. In the mean time. It is not 1+1+1 = 3. Try 1x1x1 = 1.

@truthmatters82

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, I was a bit confused too, but as the scriptures say, seek and you will find. This website helped clarify with scripture the triune nature of our glorious God! I hope it blessed you. jewsforjesus.org (Jewishness and the trinity) God bless!

Maybe ponder this in the time being until I give your video adequate thought and study. Notice how "one" is used in the Scriptures: Paul said in Romans 12:4, "Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Paul added, "The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ" (1 Corinthians 12:12). You can see that one body does not mean only one person, but rather many persons making up one body. Notice how "one" is used in the Scriptures: Paul said in Romans 12:4, "Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Paul added, "The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ" (1 Corinthians 12:12). You can see that one body does not mean only one person, but rather many persons making up one body. Notice how "one" is used in the Scriptures: Paul said in Romans 12:4, "Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Paul added, "The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ" (1 Corinthians 12:12). You can see that one body does not mean only one person, but rather many persons making up one body.

In what context does Ephesians 4 show the Holy Spirit, the one Spirit, to be the Spirit of the Father and the Son, but rather that they are one as the Greek language would clarify individually one Spirit, many-in-one Lord, many-in-one God and Father of us all, for without the Son filling all in all toward mankind God would not be filling all in all since God the Father gave Jesus the other kingdom in which to rule and reign until as Judge of all the earth John 5:22-23 Jesus sits as God on the Judgment Seat and judges all, great and small, past and present, and drowned but each having on their mortal body an incorruptible and immortal body 1st Corinthians 15:53 to be able to stand before Jesus/the Lamb as God 'You can not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live' Exodus 33:20.

In the new earth and new heaven Jesus will no longer be the man Jesus 'he will save his people from their sins' Matthew 1:21 but the Lamb of God 'who takes away the sin of the world' John 1:29

it means father and holy spirit is one person then father came in penticost. day upen deciples

@kedricmanson9873

Жыл бұрын

The Holy Spirit is the Father’s spirit. God is omnipresent and can send his spirit anywhere without having to leave heaven. God the Father and the Holy Spirit are two titles that refer to the same entity

Even the Son of God doesn’t know when He The son will be sent back to Earth . Even the Son of God said witness that God the Father is grater then He , the son . How can A holy Eternal God Die ???

@alr123141

3 жыл бұрын

His Father is Greater than Yeshua, only because as the son (fleshly body) He was not omni present. God as the Spirit is everywhere.

what about the Sabbath being the Seventh day and never being changed?

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

Here is an article by David Bernard about the Sabbath. OoCities.org.

@roderickd.thornfoundationa5702

7 жыл бұрын

+Global Impact Ministries Could you please do a through ( video) Bible Study of the Seven Spirits of God in the Book of Revelation ? And another through ( video ) Bible Study on the IN DISCERNIBLE , and NON COMPREHENSIBLE Name , DEITY/THEOTES , and DIVINE Person/Being of Adonai YESHUA the MESSIAH/IMMANUEL ?? Thank you in advance , happy Thanksgiving , and may the good Lord bless you , and you ministry !!

@roderickd.thornfoundationa5702

7 жыл бұрын

+Roderick D. Thorn Revelation 19:12

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

Roderick D. Thorn The seven spirits of God are the seven chief archangels in the book of Revelation. For how could the Holy Spirit be divided up into seven spirits and then greet the church as such? Here is a link to my video about the Seven Spirits of God. kzread.info/dash/bejne/oZN5l8qBls_Ke5s.html

@roderickd.thornfoundationa5702

7 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries I assumed Seven Spirits is a refrence to the Seven-fold Perfection, and Completeness of the Most Holy Spirit of God .

This is what they teach in the seminary? Everyone, ask the Most High to reveal His truth to you. Study your Bible from cover to cover. Do not rely on the understanding of man who do not have the spirit of truth.

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The RUACH HA QODESH /DIVINE Most HALLOWED SPIRIT of YHWH ELOHIM said in St.Matthew 28:19 " Immerse/Baptize them in MY SHEM/APPELLATION/NAME !!!!!!! Could or would YESHUA the MESSIAH have commanded such if He were just a mere Human man , and not ADONAI and Almighty YHWH ELOHIM the Everlasting Father ? NO !!!! The speaker in St.Matthew 28:19 is non other than, and no less than the DIVINE/Most HALLOWED/Qodesh Ruach/ Spirit , whom is YHWH ELOHIM the Everlasting Father Himself !!!!!!!

And The apostle Paul wrote to the Philippians that Jesus, “being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:6-11 - NKJV). Now, as you can see, Jesus humbled Himself and was highly exalted by God the Father; so Jesus is not the Father.

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

Of course, we do not believe that Jesus is God with us AS GOD the Father. We believe that Jesus is God the Father with us in full human existence. Dr. David Bernard wrote that "God Himself came into this world AS A HUMAN BEING." He did not say that God the Father came into this world as God the Father because we believe that God the Father became a true human son via virgin conception and birth. Thus we believe in the ontological distinctions between God as God (the Father) and God with us as man (the Son - 1 Tim. 2:5; John 5:26).

@realtruthseeker521

5 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries Sir. That is the most mixed up confusing statement I have ever read with exaggeration. You said of course we do not believe Jesus is God with us as God the Father we believe Jesus is God the Father with us????? We’ll I will tell you that is certainly irrefutable it would kinda be like be having to explain to you how to make an egg float. That’s the feeling in my mind when I read that. Can you break down for my lower educated self please. I want to try to understand your doctrine. I have to understand it in order to test it. I apologize if I try your patience it is not my intent.

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

www.apostolicchristianfaith.com/single-post/2018/01/10/Oneness-Pentecostal-Theology-One-God-Became-One-Man www.apostolicchristianfaith.com/single-post/2016/1/15/THE-DISTINCTION-BETWEEN-THE-FATHER-AND-SON

do you not understand that the word one is eis in the Greek and means a unity in one Ephesians 4:4 which includes the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus. As Jesus was taught by the Father the Son and the Father are two men 'in your law', Scripture John 10:34-35, John 8:17-18 meaning that God and the Son each have their own spirit of man within each as well as each has a material body with body parts, and soul with passions; similarily, the 'one' God and Father includes God John 8:54, and Jesus Isaiah 9:6 to come Father but now God, sitting on the throne of God Hebrews 1:8-9 each having their own separate kingdom 1st Corinthians 15:24, 28.

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

"eis" does not mean "one" in Greek. Strong's Concordance eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, fig. purpose, result) Original Word: εἰς Part of Speech: Preposition Transliteration: eis Phonetic Spelling: (ice) Short Definition: into, in, among, till, for Definition: into, in, unto, to, upon, towards, for, among. HELPS Word-studies 1519 eis (a preposition) - properly, into (unto) - literally, "motion into which" implying penetration ("unto," "union") to a particular purpose or result. NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin a prim. preposition Definition to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, fig. purpose, result)

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

Numbers 23:19 says that "God is NOT A MAN." But you wrote that "the Son and the Father ARE TWO MEN." God as God does not exist as the "spirit of man." That is why true Oneness theology affirms that "the man Christ Jesus" is distinct from God the Father's divine "life in himself" (John 5:26) because we believe that the Son of God is not ontologically God with us as God, but rather, the Son is "God with us" "in genuine and full human existence" (Segraves). You wrote about the Father and Son "having their own separate kingdom." It is pointless to respond here as you are way outside of the words of inspired scripture.

God has not always been the Father for there is no Father without an object of that Fatherhood which came at Jesus' earthly birth. The Holy Spirit of God came upon Mary even as the Spirit of the LORD came upon Samson Judges 14:19 and gave him heavenly strength even as the Spirit of God gave Mary heavenly strength to receive and bring to completion, to birth, the God-given body to the Word Hebrews 10:5, but it was the Highest, God, who overshadowed Mary, as a doctor overshadows a woman to implant a child into her, so God implanted the Word's God-given body into Mary thereby becoming the one who gave the child to Mary, the woman, not the Spirit of God who gave Mary strength to conceive.Luke 1:35, Matthew 1:20

Here are some questions. Jesus is not the Father and the Father is not Jesus but both are deity. This is why I believe this to be true among other proofs but these should be sufficient to a fertile heart and learning mind. First I recall a marriage union between man and woman when both become one (in agreement) yet are two distinct persons. This is one reason why Jesus cannot be the Father. When Jesus was baptized there was a voice from heaven. This is my son... “ also on the cross Jesus asked the Father my God my God why have you forsaken me. Now I heard you say this on the video “for the Holy Spirit of the Heavenly Father simultaneously exists as both the Father (God outside the incarnation) and Son (inside the incarnation). This explanation is getting very close to agreeing that 2 separate persons exist. Maybe it is because your trying to hold on to this man made doctrine. I agree the Father existed and son existed. At Jesus baptism we have all three present. The Father speaks from Heaven and the Father also sent the Holy Spirit. Use deity instead of God. Look into the plurality of the Hebrew word Elohim. Consider in the beginning that all three were present. Jesus is called mighty God by Isaiah. I think when you can understand the Holy Spirit better it will help you understand our amazing Deity. I guess I didn’t ask any questions. I was going to form it in form of a questions and ask who spoke to Jesus after his baptism. Who sent the spirit. And how can all three be present at once if their all the same person. I think while I was listening to your lesson I heard flashes of the Trinity but it was just hidden in the semantics. I would really really appreciate if you would take my invitation to discuss something simpler that I believe we disagree on and if I can reason with you on this point it may help you reconsider your others. I do not know yet how essential our understanding of the Godhead is to our salvation but i do something extremely essential. You make believe it as many oneness folks go agree on how one is saved and I think we both agree that belief is not all and is never said to be all but if one does truly believe entire message then no doubt he will be saved but belief is believing the entire message not one verse because faith comes from hearing and hearing the word of truth. So believing what you hear will save you assuming you believe if you don’t your doomed. Bibleauthority777@yahoo.com my name is Jim.

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

www.apostolicchristianfaith.com/single-post/2018/01/10/Oneness-Pentecostal-Theology-One-God-Became-One-Man www.apostolicchristianfaith.com/single-post/2016/1/15/THE-DISTINCTION-BETWEEN-THE-FATHER-AND-SON

A United Pentecostal creed book reads: "We believe in the one ever living, eternal God: infinite in power, holy in nature, attributes and purpose; and possessing absolute, indivisible deity. This one true God has revealed Himself as Father, through His Son, in redemption; and as the Holy Spirit, by emanation. ... This one true God manifested Himself in the Old Testament in divers ways; in the Son while He walked among men; as the Holy Spirit after the ascension." (Manual, United Pentecostal Church, page 17). Some of those who adhere to this creedal dictum explain it this way. "God is one person, who has manifested Himself in creation as Father, in redemption as Son, and in the Church as the Holy Ghost." This is false doctrine about God's being. If God exists eternally as only one person, manifesting Himself in three different modes, He is not (and cannot be) a manifestation of all three simultaneously. Either God is Father (as Pentecostals say He was in creation) or He is the Son, as they claim He was in redemption, or He is the Holy Spirit now. He cannot be all three at the same time and be but one person. Thus, if Jesus was God manifest in the Son in redemption, but is now manifesting Himself as the Holy Spirit in the church, Jesus is not now the Son of God. Those who deny that Jesus is (present tense) the Son of God are anti-Christ. "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also" (1 John 2:22-23). Those who affirm only one person of God but three separate manifestations cannot acknowledge the Son and the Father also and are forced to deny that Jesus is now manifest as God. It is just that simple -- and is very serious. I urge to you and everyone else to reject this idea of "Only One Person in the Godhead" heresy.

@realtruthseeker521

5 жыл бұрын

And why would a “church” have a creed book? What to explain the Bible? As doctrine? Really man made doctrine? Get out of these man made institutions and do what God said and he will add you to the kingdom acts 2:41,47

@samuellundin5328

4 жыл бұрын

who says " He is not (and cannot be) a manifestation of all three simultaneously". You. Oneness Doctrine teaches that the God manifestation is also simultaneous. Trinitarians constantly miss represent our teaching.

@realtruthseeker521

4 жыл бұрын

Samuel Lundin I’m not too concerned what a denomination started over a hundred years ago teaches. Maybe you can explain to me what you believe. It could just be a play on words. I don’t want to argue. I want to reason with you FROM THE SCRIPTURES. Because what I think and what you think means little what does the Bible say. Can you explain your comment a little bit for me. Cause I’m mixed up. If the Three operate separately then that is what I am saying too and we are in agreement. If not I want to understand with the goal of us coming to an agreement. This is VERY IMPORTANT. In the Bible we read God pleading with us to agree with one another and that there be no divisions among us but yet we have 3000 different bodies when there is only one that Jesus will return for. There is one body. One church. One faith. I don’t believe in the sinners prayer or asking Jesus into your heart either.

Jesus became a 'man' 'in all things' Hebrews 2:17. No man has the Spirit of God as his spirit of man, nor did Jesus. God and the Word were two separate Gods, Creators, each using their own hands God: Isaiah 45:11-12 'the works of my hands...I made the earth and man upon it'; Jesus: Hebrews 1:10 ''You, Lord, have laid the foundation of the world, and the heavens are the works of your hands'.

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

Hebrews 1:10 is a direct quote from Psalm 101:25 in which the Psalmist prayed, "O my God, do not take me away in the midst of my days. For of old you laid the foundation of the earth. And the heavens are the works of your hands." Jesus is identified as that God who created all things before He also manifested Himself in the flesh in full human existence (1 Tim. 3:16; Heb. 2:17). Hebrews 2:7 cites Psalm 8:5-6 which says, "You (the Father) appointed him (the son) over the works of Your hands (the Father's hands)." Isaiah 64:8 says, "You are our Father, we are the clay. You are our Potter, and we are all the works of Your Hands." The context of Hebrews 2:7 and Psalm 8:5-6 proves that we were created by God the Father's anthropomorphic hands rather than another god beside our only true God the Father (John 17:3).

@leonardbunt6258

6 жыл бұрын

You should know that the Holy Spirit has a way of taking 'out of context' quotes from the other Scriptures and putting them in a NT context, right??? Here in Hebrews 1:10 is an example of that very thing. another passage is that of the speaking with other tongues of 1st Corinthians 14:21 often paired with Isaiah 28:11 'So with stammering speech and a foreign tongue, He will speak to this people. vs 12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith you may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. vs 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line' which is certainly not the context of 1st Corinthians 14:21. For Paul writes that, with interpretation, the speaking in tongues is equal to prophecy, and the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophet that all may hear and the secrets of his heart be revealed. 1st Corinthians 14.vvs 5,32, 24-25, TONGUES ARE FOR A SIGN TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE NOT YET PAUL SPOKE IN TONGUES MORE THAN THEM ALL FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL MATURITY vss 22, 18. So Hebrews 1:10 shows that Jesus along with the Father, as the Father made plain in John 8:17-18 that they are two men according to Scripture John 10:34-35, laid the foundation of the earth Isaiah 48:13 which agrees with John 1:3b 'and without him was nothing made that was made'. Seeing that the Father, God John 8:54, is a man, having body, soul, and rhuach spirit within him so also did the Word being God 'looking toward God' John 1:1, EVEN AS THEY ARE EACH SPIRIT 'FOR GOD IS A SPIRIT' JOHN 4:24 but a God Spirit each of them having their own INNER SPIRIT JOHN 8:17-18.

the father is ABBA OR ABA IN REVERSE EBA OR EBBA OR EVA, AND HIS NAME IS man she is MAN. (iam not talking about a persona,,, MAN IS A SACRED SIMBOL.

That lie out Hell. When said that my well beloved Son heard Him. When God push all power in Son Jesus Christ Hand. God lie he don’t have a Son. To the true and living God. Without beginning or ending of time . Without mother without Father. To be eternity. Anything that was made or created is a False God. Study the scripture let the Holy Spirit. You can’t interpret God . Only the Spirit know God.

Three different Persons are mentioned in One Holy God, but "HE" is separate--> 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

@Bolagh

6 ай бұрын

What? Say that again…

@davidcrane6593

6 ай бұрын

@@Bolagh The Holy Spirit is a separate "He" personality than from The Father and different also from The Son.... but all Three different Personalities constitute The same Holy God.... it's like Three Separate Spirits make up One Holy Godman.

@Bolagh

6 ай бұрын

@@davidcrane6593 Seperate? You don’t believe God is One? Not even Trinitarians use the Word Separate.

@davidcrane6593

6 ай бұрын

@@Bolagh separate in the sense that the Holy Ghost is distinguishable frown the Son in the role HE plays in salvation.

@Bolagh

6 ай бұрын

@@davidcrane6593 Do you ignore 2 Cor 3:17 when reading passages? Do you ignore that the Holy Ghost is Christ in you the hope of Glory?

Pure paganism. The Spirit of the Son is the same spirit that raises all believers by the same spirit Roman's 8:11. The virgin birth is a lie.

Jesus is literal son of God before his incarnation. He, the Only begotten of God, who was God by nature(John 1:1, Hebrew 1:8), but not in personality. God s the Father of Christ, Christ is the Son of God! They are every where present by their spirit. The Holy spirit is the spirit of Christ that came from the Father. And since all things come from the father, and Christ is the express image of the father, they have the same spirit, But it is Christ who ministers to the human race, hence the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. Christ is NOT the Father manifested in Humanity! No Jesus did exist as a son Before the incarnate, Read Daniel, ad Red proverbs and Pslams. Christ came out of the father in eternity past... He again become a son of God by his incarnation! Christ was the son of God before incarnation. This is a biblical fact.

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

You affirm that "Jesus is a literal son of God before his incarnation." Then you contradict yourself by saying, "He again BECOME a SON of God BY HIS INCARNATION." So you are saying that Jesus was a Son who became a Son again. How does that make any sense? You affirm that the Son of God "was God by nature, but not in personality." But then you affirm that "The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ that became the Father." If the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ then how could the Son not be God in personality? And if the Holy Spirit of Christ "became the Father" then how could the Father be the unchangeable God of Malachi 3:6? What denomination or religious affiliation do you identify yourself with as I have no idea where you are coming from?

@keemo8330

7 жыл бұрын

Concerning the origins of Christ, the inspired Solomon declares: The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. Proverbs 8:23-26 KJV We should ask our self, what did he mean when he said wisdom was “brought forth” Let me allow another Translations to make it clear. New International Version When there were no watery depths, I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water; Holman Christian Standard Bible I was born when there were no watery depths and no springs filled with water. International Standard Version When there were no ocean depths, I brought them to birth at a time when there were no springs. NET Bible When there were no deep oceans I was born, when there were no springs overflowing with water; GOD'S WORD® Translation I was born before there were oceans, before there were springs filled with water. Jubilee Bible 2000 I was begotten before the depths, before the existence of the fountains of many waters. Clearly, Christ is being referred to here as wisdom, and he was clearly brought forth. Hence he became the only begotten of God, in eternity past. Long before anything was created, Christ was begotten of the father Hence we can fully appreciate John 3: 16- God gave his only begotten son. It is my belief that God had a son to give, way before sin was introduce, Christ was the only begotten of God.

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

EVIDENCE THAT GOD’S WISDOM IS PERSONFIED IN PROVERBS CHAPTER 8 - Since God’s wisdom was personified rather than actually existing as a distinct person in Proverbs chapter eight, Jesus was God’s expressed wisdom personified before the expressed plan was made flesh as a living Son. Proverbs 8:1 “Does not WISDOM CALL, and UNDERSTANDING LIFT UP HER VOICE… SHE CRIES OUT (vs. 3)” to men. Here we have WISDOM being personified as a woman shouting and crying out at the entrance of the city gates. Are we to believe that WISDOM IS LITERALLY A WOMAN WHO CRIES OUT WARNINGS TO MEN? Proverbs 8:12 “I WISDOM LIVE WITH PRUDENCE, and I ATTAIN KNOWLEDGE AND DISCRETION (NRSV).” The NASB says, “I WISDOM DWELL WITH PRUDENCE, and I FIND KNOWLEDGE AND DISCRETION.” Are we to believe that wisdom as a divine person lives (or dwells) with prudence as another distinct divine person? “I WISDOM LIVE (or DWELL) WITH PRUDENCE.” Proverbs chapter eight is speaking metaphorically about wisdom being personified because we know that “wisdom” does not actually “live (or dwell) with prudence” as another divine person. If we are to literally interpret “wisdom” living “with prudence” as a living pre-incarnate Messiah dwelling with “prudence” as another distinct person, then we should call prudence another divine person and add a fourth member to the alleged trinity. Furthermore, how can Trinitarians believe that an alleged omniscient (All-Knowing) God the Son could “attain” or “find” knowledge and discretion before the incarnation? If Wisdom is an alleged coequal second person of a Trinity, how then could a coequally distinct non-incarnate God the Son be said to “ATTAIN (or FIND) KNOWLEDGE AND DISCRETION (Proverbs 8:12)?” For an omniscient (All-Knowing) true God Person cannot “attain” or “find” knowledge because the true God already has all knowledge! Therefore, we must be careful not to literally interpret passages of scripture which were meant to be allegorical. The same is true with Proverbs 8:26-31. Just as Wisdom is not literally a woman crying out at a city gate, so Wisdom was not literally a divine God Person with the Father “rejoicing” before Him. Trinitarians are supposed to believe that an alleged God the Son served as the Father’s agent so that the Father created all things through the Son as His Agent in creating all things. Yet Proverbs 8:26 says that “He” (the Father) “made the earth”. Verse 27 says that “He” (the Father) “established the heavens.” Vs. 28 says that “He (the Father) made firm the skies above.” If the Father “made the earth,” “the heavens,” and “the skies above”, how is it that the alleged pre-incarnate Son did not do these things? I thought that Trinitarians were supposed to believe that “all things were created by (or through)” the Son as a distinct God Person. Here we can clearly see that God created all things “alone” and all “by Himself” (Isaiah 44:24) through His own “power”, “wisdom”, and “understanding” and not as another distinct God Person of an alleged three person trinity.

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

Proverb 8:22-23 personifies the Wisdom of God as being "made", “installed”, and “born” at the beginning of the creation in the mind and plan of God the Father via His expressed thought. Proverbs 8:22-26, “The LORD MADE (“acquired”) ME AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS CREATION, before His works of long ago. I WAS INSTALLED (nacak: (naw-sak') “set up” or “installed”) before ancient times, FROM THE BEGINNING (olam: (o-lawm') “antiquity”), before the earth began. I WAS BORN (chuwl: (khool) “bear”, “born”) when there were no watery depths and no springs filled with water. Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills I WAS BORN (chuwl: (khool) “bear,” “born”); WHILE HE HAD NOT YET MADE THE EARTH …” Proverbs 8:23 says, “I was INSTALLED (nacak (naw-sak’)) before ancient times.” But Psalm 2:6-7, “I have installed (nacak: (naw-sak’) “set up” or “installed”) My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain. I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, You are My Son, Today I have begotten You…” How could the Son have been “made” or “acquired” at the beginning of the Father’s creation while remaining timeless? And how could an alleged timeless God the Son have been timelessly “installed” or “set up” from “antiquity” while remaining timeless? The Hebrew word “nacak” proves that the Son was “installed before ancient times” in God’s prophetic plan just like the Son was already “installed” as “King upon Zion” in the prophetic mind and planning of the Father “before the creation of the world” actually took place (1 Peter 1:20). For the miraculous nature of our God “calls the things which be not as though they were” (Romans 4:17). 1 Peter 1:20 states that the Son was “FOREKNOWN before THE CREATION OF THE WORLD.” Colossians 1:15 states that THE SON IS THE “FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION.” Revelation 3:14 states that the Son is “the beginning of the creation OF God.” The Anchor Bible Dictionary, page 111 states, “IN THE TALMUD [tractate Pesachim 54a; cf. Nedarim 39b], seven things, i.e. the law, repentance, paradise, Gehinnom, the throne of glory, the heavenly sanctuary, and THE MESSIAH are not called pre-created, but pre-conceived in (God’s) thoughts.” According to ancient Jewish literature, the Messiah was “the beginning of His creation” (Proverbs 8:22). Revelation 3:14 says that the Messiah was “the beginning of the creation of God” who was already “born (Proverbs 8:24)” as “the firstborn of all creation” (Col. 1:15) in the “pre-conceived … thoughts” of God” (Anchor Bible Dictionary, pg. 111).The Targum and the Septuagint translated “Qanah (kaw-naw) as "created me" in Proverbs 8:22. Qanah (kaw-naw') NAS Exhaustive Concordance Definition -“to get, acquire” Brown-Driver-Briggs - I. קָנָה84 verb get, acquire For someone to “get” or “acquire” something means that he has to either create it, obtain it, or buy it. Since God cannot obtain or buy anything that is not already His, it is sensible to believe that God first pre-created “the firstborn of all creation” within His Mind as His wise master plan for the ages before He created His physical creation later on in time. Since it is nonsensical to believe that the omniscient God lacked any wisdom or understanding before He acquired it, we know that God first created His wise plan for creation via His spoken word before the creation actually took place. Wherefore, in a similar way that an architect designs a detailed blueprint before he actually builds anything, so God used His spoken wisdom which He uttered from the beginning of time to later create all visible and invisible things. This was that word and wisdom of God, which was first “made” or “acquired” by God from which He created all visible and invisible things.

@keemo8330

7 жыл бұрын

No, do not spiritualize Christ! He existed as a literal son from the beginning. He was the the Person the Father spoke to and said "Let us make man into our image". It was through the very person of Christ that God made the world. 1Cor. 8:6- of whom-the Father, by whom- the son! The Father is the source of all even Christ, and Christ was throught whom or by whom all things were Created. He had an image, for we are made in tgr image and likeness of the Father and The son. Two literal beings that existed from all eternity but Christ had a beginning else hr would not have been the son of God. How then did Nebuchadnezzar realize that the fourth person in the furnace was the son of God had Jesus not been a person before his incarnation? Christ was always a divine being. Not a spirit but of the very substance of his Father.