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@kotatkocz3378

2 жыл бұрын

I was gonna make a comment about that xD

@elisaruano7704

2 жыл бұрын

About to make a comment! Forgot how well you research your topics.....

@tanyasmith316

2 жыл бұрын

Can you do romeo and Juliette

@OwlNightMoon

2 жыл бұрын

Hey. I dont sure you allow make scary person from history. If i ask you make Vlad the Impaler aka vampire, Prince of Wallachia in real life face from painting?

@clarkstartrek

2 жыл бұрын

The Ancient Egyptian Pharoahs also practiced inbreeding and the Ptolomaic (Macedonian) Dynasy of Egypt carried it on.

Royal Adviser: "Your Majesty, do you want to marry your 3rd cousin, your 2nd cousin, your 1st cousin, your niece, your sister, or your aunt?" Habsburg: "Yes."

@jodeeps2287

2 жыл бұрын

👏😂

@kyleighwhite1409

2 жыл бұрын

They’re all one person 😭😂

@peterbayne7227

2 жыл бұрын

@@kyleighwhite1409 More like they are all one chin.

@PeterLunowPL

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@MagnaMater2

2 жыл бұрын

The question was more: do you want to keep your place in the Emperial & Spanish succession. Ever since Friedrich III it was all about inheriting (including poisoning relatives - at least Sigismund strongly believed that).

This video taught me that poor Charles II was basically his own cousin.

@KlavierMenn

2 жыл бұрын

And his own uncle and grandpa

@ahumanistpotato0501

2 жыл бұрын

STOP MY LITTLE BRAIN IS ALREADY ON FIRE

@fantasmaghoulical

2 жыл бұрын

WHA

@Fweefwee6

2 жыл бұрын

“It wasn’t me it was my cousin!”

@fabrislr9368

2 жыл бұрын

It's like watching the "Dark" series 😂

Reading about Charles' personality I feel so bad for him. his last words were "yo soy nada" "I am nothing". Feeling cursed by your body deformities, something you cannot control at birth for more than 30 years. RIP

@Ujuani68

2 жыл бұрын

And with no medical help like today...😰

@lydiatutorials

2 жыл бұрын

it’s actually really sad :/

@foodofthegods

2 жыл бұрын

God, that’s tragic.

@TheLauraFacusse

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine being the king of Spain, one of the most important empires at the time ,and feeling that way

@env0x

2 жыл бұрын

his first words were "matame por favor"

So when I looked at it, it looks like Charles had 4 unique great-great-great-great grandparents instead of 64. Which is wild

@Pat097

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t even realize that till you pointed it out, and had to retrace it myself. Agreed, that is so WILD. That poor child…

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 жыл бұрын

A child born to siblings will have 32...

@sanhakim1335

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it be 8 cause of francis 1

@elise85391

2 жыл бұрын

@@sanhakim1335 I think you're right. But even 8 is really bad

@foscogrubb

2 жыл бұрын

It's wild to think only 4 generations back is 64 people that needed to exist for you to be alive.

While there were no brother-sister or father-daughter level couplings, Charles 2nds dna was so heterozygous because of his lineage, he was actually more inbred than he would have been if his mother and father were a direct sibling or parent blood relative. Poor guy.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 жыл бұрын

Ofcourse he was worse off than if his parrents where just siblings. Direct siblings actually usually produce viable children if the inbreeding is only them and the rest of the family tree is fine.

@asmrtpop2676

2 жыл бұрын

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Exactly ty. That’s what the real issue with inbreeding is-when it’s over several generations. Well besides the whole power imbalance thing.

@NitroTheRhino

2 жыл бұрын

@@asmrtpop2676 right, the "real issue". 😆

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 жыл бұрын

@@asmrtpop2676 A normal person typically has 64 ancestors 6 generations back, a child born to siblings has 32 ancestors 6 generations back, Charles II had 8 ancestors 6 generations back.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 жыл бұрын

@@NitroTheRhino Well yes, the real issue with marrying relatives is that imbreeding depression will make your desendants cripples.

It amazes me that, by the 1600s, these people were still fertile.

@chedelirio6984

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta remember, even in inbreeding, genes do get internally shuffled in gametogenesis, and each of us has "spare" genetic material. In this case apparently it was one of those things where the damage cound stumble along accumulating for a while before just failing catastrophically.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 жыл бұрын

Well Charles 2 of Spain was infertile.

@rowanjoy419

2 жыл бұрын

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 hahahaha yeah he was, finally , it took 4 lines of inbreed to one of them be infertile.

@twingytwango6971

2 жыл бұрын

Well the present Queen and her husband were cousins......says enough.....

@ginnundso

2 жыл бұрын

@@twingytwango6971 Wait Queen Elisabeth and Prince Philipp were cousins?

The crazy part is their portraits are purposefully made to look better so the family actually looked even more strange in real life.

@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212

Жыл бұрын

Not at all, look for people from late XVIII and early XIX photographs and pictures and compare, for instance, Alexander Von humbold, born in 1769, you have painted portraits and photograph of him, and he looks quite the same.

@GaelinW

Жыл бұрын

@@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212 - I imagine the point was that in many cases, portraits especially of royalty, were made to look better when necessary. There's another channel that talks about Queen Victoria and her consort, Albert who had portraits and were also photographed. There is a noticeable difference in appearance.

@Parasiteve

Жыл бұрын

which is why i laugh when people think king tut and cleopatra were "beautiful". all their art was made to make them look less ugly because of inbreeding and i mean they got what they wanted, people these days dont think they're ugly inbreds but beautiful kings and queens.

@KasumiRINA

Жыл бұрын

You can notice all skin in portraits is always smooth. I but many of them had horrible skin conditions that we can't see.

Keep in mind, for every single one of these closely related marriages, the Hapsburgs had to both request and receive a dispensation from the Catholic Church. It’s amazing what’s possible for the fabulously wealthy royal houses of Europe.

@konyvnyelv.

2 жыл бұрын

And the Church allowed this???

@marthahawkinson-michau9611

2 жыл бұрын

@@konyvnyelv. Sadly, yes. Papal dispensations aren’t really that hard to acquire if your best friend is the pope. I think and hope the church has made getting a dispensation harder since then. It’s really not a good idea to keep marrying your close relatives for several generations. Once every 200 years marrying a first cousin is fine, as long as there is plenty of “out” marriage to keep the genes mixing. Every generation for several generations was definitely not ok.

@robins5044

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing that. As he was speaking I was wondering how these marriages were arranged and sanctioned.

@konyvnyelv.

2 жыл бұрын

@@marthahawkinson-michau9611 I heard the church helped fighting the power of many landlords by banning incest up to 6th grade cousins. I'm not sure anyway since marrying cousins was common in the past. But they surely accepted that with the emperors which is not right.

@user-hv6wb5gk8p

2 жыл бұрын

@@marthahawkinson-michau9611 Marrying 2nd and 3rd cousins was a surprisingly normal for most of human history. That being said 30%+ child mortality was also normal for most of human history so I'm certainly not defending the practice.

When your family tree starts looking like a bush, you better start marrying some new blood into it. When it looks like a pretzel, like here, just start adopting.

@heathergarnham9555

Жыл бұрын

It's interesting that when they did start bringing in fresh blood they had multiple children, most of whom reached adulthood. With few mental or physical disabilities

@MsLilly200

Жыл бұрын

@@heathergarnham9555 Probably cause no matter how bad the inbred parent was, it got cut down by 50% by the new blood.

@irissupercoolsy

Жыл бұрын

Adopt a daughter and a son, so they can still marry each other 🤡🤡🤡

@donkfail1

Жыл бұрын

@@irissupercoolsy Sure. You can't expect to end a family tradition of incest cold turkey. ;)

@jirachi-wishmaker9242

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao thanks for the advice!

i heard that their family was also considered cursed because of the physical and mental damage and the amount of them who died as children as a result of it, which i assume would make them more likely to marry in the family since no one else would

@maggiemae7539

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn’t a curse. It’s sin

@lightyagami3492

2 жыл бұрын

@@maggiemae7539 we realize that i think the OP was simply explaining the rational of the time.

@mati.benapezo

2 жыл бұрын

People tend to take things literally, it's annoying sometimes.

@qwertykeyboard5901

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, who the FUCK would marry them?

@asd3601

2 жыл бұрын

@@qwertykeyboard5901 their other family members of course, but seriously the Habsburgs were the most powerful people in Europe anyone would marry in

A genetic pool so shallow you couldn't even drown in it. For real though, I think this is the first time I've ever followed one of these family tree videos so kudos to you on a job well done.

@LRM12o8

2 жыл бұрын

It's a genetic puddle! 😂

@cyborggunslinger4230

2 жыл бұрын

Same as Alabama

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

@@LRM12o8 That's generous. A genetic teaspoon more like it.

@sawtooth808

7 ай бұрын

@@cyborggunslinger4230 the only difference was in stead of the Banjo, someone the Hapsburg family played a lute (people in medieval Spain were told to stay away from the one armed man playing the lute)

This family tree could be a fun picture for a game, "how many circles can you find in this picture?" I think there might be more than 40.

The uncle's creeping on their nieces is what really doomed this whole situation

Amazing that you were able to put this together, I got lost within the first 5 minutes. Excellent job.

@dorderre

2 жыл бұрын

Ignoring the exact terminology of their relationships, it's noticeable that outside-genes only came into the family for the first two generations. The next four! generations were all between closely related individuals.

Their family reunions must have also been singles match ups. To bad we don't have any records of their individual thoughts on this mate-taking strategy. I would find it fascinating to read what they thought about it.

@noelaguirrechavez4462

2 жыл бұрын

I can picture someone saying "go talk to your cousin" and you just go talk to literally anyone

@kompatybilijny9348

2 жыл бұрын

Power and money stays in the family = GOOD

@Malbeefance

2 жыл бұрын

@@kompatybilijny9348 Yep, and that's not all that stayed in the family.

@lovelydolltime8006

Жыл бұрын

They knew that inbreeding was bad, but they did it anyways under the excuse of "keeping the bloodline pure".

@Malbeefance

Жыл бұрын

@@lovelydolltime8006 Jokes on them in that inbreeding does the exact opposite of keeping the blood line pure.

The best quote I've ever heard about the Holy Roman Empire was: "It was neither Holy, Roman, or an Empire."

@anicastipisic1730

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't Holy for sure 😃

@Khenfu_Cake

Жыл бұрын

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@ravenzyblack

29 күн бұрын

That is a fact.

@rxquettes402

25 күн бұрын

"unholy spanish republic"

Plot twist: The Crimson Chin from Fairily Odd Parents is actually a Habsburg.

@PancakemonsterFO4

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think inbreeding gives you superpowers tho

@manowa3395

2 жыл бұрын

@@PancakemonsterFO4 The mental instability will make you believe you have powers though!

@rudeboyjohn3483

2 жыл бұрын

Inesert Captain America meme here. "I understood that reference"

@johnaustin209

Жыл бұрын

"A chin that can hit a homerun".

My grandmother came from these lines of ancestry. She suffered from thin blood, Hemophilia. It was very bad, a tiny cut would bleed badly. Sometimes having to be cauterized in the hospital. She almost bled to death giving birth to my mother. She was born with an extra head on her torso. It was removed when she was a teenager. It had hair, and a mouth with teeth. She was born in 1920. She was an extremely beautiful woman. And very kind and intelligent. I loved her very much. I miss her . thanks for your interest in our family tree.

@ssnowstarr4985

Жыл бұрын

what was her name? is there any more info about her? I'm sorry for your loss

@slouchestowardsbedlam9612

10 ай бұрын

That’s interesting, Queen Victoria married her first cousin Albert and there was haemophilia in the British and Russian royal families.

@VladRadu-tq1pg

6 ай бұрын

this is such bullshit

@ravenzyblack

29 күн бұрын

That sounds like she absorbed her twin, but not all of it.

looking at those pictures, I'm quite certain that the painters heavily reduced the habsburg features of the women to make them less ugly, because looking like that presumably was less acceptable for women.

@mmgs1148

Жыл бұрын

Also, the portraits were something like a tinder photo back then so yeah, they had to be beautyfied

@tanie3543

Жыл бұрын

Holy shit you might be right. This is why the women look slightly more conventional than men in these portraits

@user-lv7ph7hs7l

10 ай бұрын

​@@mmgs1148Yeah a painter could get in trouble if he was too honest. Think of it this way, Charles II approved of the famous painting everyone uses to show how deformed he was. I bet real life was much worse.

@Melissa-wx4lu

3 ай бұрын

It's also possible that some genetic deformities expressed more in the males since they only have one X chromosome.

@Ilivedbih

19 күн бұрын

​@@Melissa-wx4lu Oh that might be also a reason, true

The interesting thing is that Charles II had an older, (ostensibly healthy ) full sister Margaret Theresa ( of the Velasquez's painting fame ), who was betrothed and eventually married to their own maternal uncle from the Austrian Habsburg line, Emperor Leopold I ( who looked just as bad as Charles II with the jaw and face deformities imo, but was clearly more functioning in regard to his health and mental faculties). That would have been another uncle-niece marriage in the family, making their descendants even more inbred then Charles' level of inbreeding. But the young Empress Margaret Theresa died young and they produced only a single daughter, who, funnily enough, seemed pretty normal in comparison, in fact she married and had children of her own. Genetics and inbreeding is so unpredictable :D

@Schaemia

2 жыл бұрын

Could be that Margaret was the milkman's kid lol

@ahumanistpotato0501

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe it affected women less? Idk I'm probably wrong

@asd3601

2 жыл бұрын

@@ahumanistpotato0501 think of it like rolling a bunch of dice and every time you roll them all a face of the dice becomes unusable so each time you roll you could keep coming up fine but sometimes you might get unlucky

@gwingobingo

2 жыл бұрын

@@ahumanistpotato0501 I think part of it is that X-linked disorders primarily affect men (who have XY), so some of the more rare/apparent deformities were more prevalent in males (females are XX, so they have more of a chance to have a "normal"/dominant phenotype mask the recessive/deformed phenotype; males only have one X, so if a recessive/deformed gene exists, they are stuck with it).

@sariel8406

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter if she look normal. She carry the genes.

i´ve seen worst. The Ptolemaic dinasty wasnt even a circle, it was a straight up stick

@WEFAbender6

2 жыл бұрын

A stick? So they just budded off each other?

@lillith3159

2 жыл бұрын

@@WEFAbender6 There were a lot of brother-sister marriages in that dinasty.

@WEFAbender6

2 жыл бұрын

@@lillith3159 oh so like this? ----

@mirroredvoid646

2 жыл бұрын

So they we're all clones of each other?

@lillith3159

2 жыл бұрын

@@mirroredvoid646 mostly yes

Charles father was also his fathers neices son. Charles grandmother was also his aunt. Charles great grandmother was also his grandfathers aunt, and his grandmothers were both wife and daughter in the same family. No matter how you twist and turn it, pretty much all of them are related.

I think the wildest thing about the Habsburgs is the fact there is still a surviving line of them!

@johnaustin209

Жыл бұрын

I looked it up. True, Ferdinand Habsburg is the youngest of the line, born 1997.

@VladRadu-tq1pg

6 ай бұрын

bruh a habsburg is 2 years younger than me wtf@@johnaustin209

@chilenapromedioRU

6 ай бұрын

There's an Austrian branch that kept away from inbreeding, those who didn't kept huge royal titles, and it's not "patrilineal", as far as I know. But the Spaniard branch ended with Charles II of Spain. Not sure how they kept the Habsburg family name in Austria, though.

@RobertJohnson-hp4gz

6 ай бұрын

Many of them are still ugly, some with serious medical conditions. Their ancestors severely damaged the bloodline and I’d never have a child with anyone related to this family (let alone take their last name).

@Charles-gk7xx

2 ай бұрын

@@chilenapromedioRU the current Habsburg line is descendant of Empress Maria Theresa who is a great-granddaughter of Ferdinand the 3rd in the graphic in this video. They the main-line since no male branches existed. They arent from a minor line by any means. Their agnatic line is also another major House of Europe- House of Lorraine.

Holy crap what a nightmare! Thanks for the meticulous research. I’ve always been fascinated to Juana of Castile (or Juana la loca) and now to see the nightmare of descendants she and Philip (the handsome) gave to the world - it makes your head spin. Loving your channel - keep them coming. I enjoy it all.

they probably had their birthday cards custom made. can't see alot of "happy birthday uncle dad" cards being very common

@cruisecontrol7911

Жыл бұрын

uncle-dads 😩😭😭😭

Great video as always! Interesting! I knew Charles II was incredibly inbred but I didn't realize the degree of the shallowness of his genetic pool.

@ambioniskariot5069

2 жыл бұрын

Later on Alfonso XII. will be even more inbred then Charles II. was (if his parents are his real parents).

@BeeKool__113

2 жыл бұрын

@@ambioniskariot5069 Right?!!! Yeahhh!! Totally!! Yikes!!

@LRM12o8

2 жыл бұрын

More like a genetic puddle, amirite? 😂

The idea of a family tree being a circle is wild enough, but when you look at Ferdinand's line and how many times his descendants had kids with Charles V's and Isabella's descendants, then that circle quickly becomes a fucking wheel!

Charles II. had a sister, Margaret Theresa , which will marry her Uncle, Emperor Leopold. But this wasn't even the worst that could have happened. Both had a halfbrother, John Joseph of Austria. Don John wanted to marry his halfsister! This was even too much for the Habsburgs and he was excluded from regency in spain. (Interesting question, if marriage with the halfbrother would have been less inbreeding then with her uncle).

@cratorcic9362

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a bad sign for a dynasty when the idea of a half-brother half-sister marriage is less dangerous than the uncle-niece one. Margaret Theresa and Leopold had a daughter, by the way, who was the most inbred Habsburg of them all… and also, miraculously, completely free of inbreeding-related deformities. No, I am not sure how that works. But thank God Charles didn’t live long enough to marry her

@luciesimpson6437

2 жыл бұрын

@@cratorcic9362 The thing about inbreeding is the high risk of having multiple copies of deleterious alleles or the faulty genes that cause genetic diseases, but it's not a guarantee because of the random factor of meiosis and the effect of developmental epigenetics. It also doesn't affect mutation. So, it is perfectly possible for an inbred person to be extremely lucky!

@mirjanbouma

2 жыл бұрын

@@cratorcic9362 I'm not saying that there was a healthy dose of outsider genetic input to make the daughter (if you know what I mean)... But that would explain the lack of deformities.

@andreabartels3176

2 жыл бұрын

Many genetic problems show up in males, because the XY combination for males is less likely to have a substitute for a damaged gene. Like hemophilia, women are usually only carriers, the second healthy X-chromosone overrides the faulty one. Not possible for males, faulty X-chromosone, Y-chromosome cannot override, bleeding disorder. It is not obvious in this map, but the Habsburg family had more surviving daughters.

@mirjanbouma

2 жыл бұрын

@@andreabartels3176 that's also a very good point!

They say that going out of the family would make them less noble ; hence the name "Blueblood", keeping the family fortune within the family also increased the families wealth

@naturallykiera5063

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks cause my only question was WHY?!?!

@angelwhispers2060

Жыл бұрын

Blue Blood also became a derogatory term for the super inbred hemophiliac blood from Queen Victoria and all mine of her children that poisoned all of the remaining European monarchies.

@angelwhispers2060

Жыл бұрын

@@naturallykiera5063 when you're wealth and power are entirely dependent on personal inheritance. Weird s*** happens...

Funny how the song "I'm My Own Grandpa" deftly avoids any inbreeding whatsoever. It seems the Habsburgs tried to go for the same vibe but were willy-nilly with their approach.

Marrying your first cousin is somewhat wonky but surely aunts and uncles marrying nephews and nieces is just illegal? ... well, I guess not if you're rich enough to ... pay for legal incest? Thank you for managing to follow all this! If you're a royal family, always remember to marry in some strapping peasants every once in a while!

@mae8646

2 жыл бұрын

And some smart peasants, too

@Kiyoone

2 жыл бұрын

This is how the elites stay in power and the rich people stay rich... jeez... just imagine what they can do with the technology of today... just imagine.

Funny thing is, most 'dumb farming peasants' probably looked at this and realized the problem.

@radhiadeedou8286

2 жыл бұрын

Would peasants know any details about royals lives?

@christopherthompson5400

2 жыл бұрын

@@radhiadeedou8286 because they were nobility and in charge of everyone.And paraded around taxing up the wazoo printing their face on the money maybe.

@mula8431

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherthompson5400 Ah yes, the dollar bills of the 1600‘

@christopherthompson5400

Жыл бұрын

@@mula8431 sorry I meant pebbles my bad.

@mikespangler98

Жыл бұрын

Anyone with experience in animal breeding would have seen the problem. Gregor Mendel was born in 1822, and didn't publish until 1865, too late to be of any help.

In the 80's I worked with this woman whose last name is Wong. She introduced the man she was dating to her family. Her Grandma said "You can't date him, he's you cousin". She was shocked because they are not related. She is 3rd generation Canadian and his family actually immigrated from Malta. Her Mom explained to her that the older generation considered anyone with same last name as "family".

This was a fantastic presentation! I appreciated the colored linear connections.

Trying to follow that family tree, even with the explanation, made my brain hurt. I try not to judge the past with today's standards and morals, but...damn.

@user-lv7ph7hs7l

10 ай бұрын

It was considered plenty wrong back then but morality is for the plebs.

I almost cried with being overwhelmed when he talked about their relationship.. Like 3rd cousins over and over I literally snapped because my 8th grader brain can't process such an amount of incest😭

the crazy thing about this family tree isn't that its a circle, its how many circles it has in it

Historically the women of the Hapsburg line would never concede to reverse cowgirl . Why ? Because they never turn their back on family .

@honeybunny3365

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I would like to see you recreate Isabella of Portugal: the Empress wife of Charles V, the Emperor of Austrian Empire, mentioned in the video. She was very beautiful and very intelligent in politics and diplomacy. There's a wonderful painting of her in her youth. Greetings from Portugal!

@mkuti-childress3625

2 жыл бұрын

YES. She was absolutely beautiful by any standards, even with some of the old painting techniques that made people look really different. I’ve wanted to see her in a video like this since I first saw her image in a painting. 💕

@andreiamendes9116

2 жыл бұрын

Her most famous portrait is the one painted by Ticiano. It's in the Prado Museum in Madrid.

@graceneilitz7661

Жыл бұрын

Isabella of Portugal was Charles V’s first cousin. As her mother and his mother were sisters, with Charles’s mother being older.

Even creepier is that Charles only living sister, Margaret Theresa, married her uncle Leopold and they had one daughter who was the most inbred of all the Habsburgs. Neither women were deformed like Charles, but they both struggled to have children and died in their early 20s, so you couldn't exactly say they came out unscathed. Leopold had more kids and they lived longer because their mother was only Leopold's third cousin.

If you ignore Phillip and Joanne at the top and Charles at the bottom there are 26 people coupling up and only 5 of them introduced new genetics (i.e. Weren't family) 🤔

@visenyatargaryen9130

Жыл бұрын

It's actually 4, not 5. From Bohemia, Denmark, Bavaria, and Lorraine. Isabella from Portugal was actually a maternal first cousin of his husband, Charles V.

I can't believe someone made me understand the habsburgs. 10/10

When your family tree looks like a tournament bracket lol

They were like a generation away from having webbed fingers and tails lol

@cruisecontrol7911

Жыл бұрын

😭😭😭😭😭

@condor2279

Жыл бұрын

Thank God their reproductive ability gave out when it did.

Wow you show this in a manner that it is very easy to follor this clusterfuck of a family line. I am Finnish, and I don't know what the "twice removed" and " x times over" mean. That makes genealogy sometimes difficult to grasp. This is not your fault! I need to google a bit and learn what it means. You could also make an easy to watch -type of video where you explain what those terms mean in ELI5 -fashion. I love your work, thank you!!

@kltanisha

2 жыл бұрын

Twice removed would mean your cousin is either two generational gaps above or below you, so your first cousin once removed would mean either your parent’s first cousin or the child of your first cousin. Complicated to link it within the Habsburgs

@AlexisTwoLastNames

2 жыл бұрын

trust me, even english speakers in america (where i think these terms are most common? tbh that’s a total guess) like myself struggle with this. i had to google it to remind myself even tho i read all about it and even did some practice on my own family tree about a year ago lol.

@scott19087

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlexisTwoLastNames cool of you to admit, guess every language has those things where even as a native speaker you don’t know what’s going on lol. Learn something everyday

@hayliedlr

2 жыл бұрын

Im American and I don't know what the twice removed means either.

@mariagabbott

2 жыл бұрын

@@kltanisha I though cousin once removed is the child of your first cousin, cousin twice removed is the child of your parents first cousin? Haha now I'm confused 🤦‍♀️

Once removed, twice removed, three times removed, four times removed .... apparently not removed enough

The Empire wasn’t divided into the Austrian and Spanish branches until Charles V abdicated . His Spanish possessions went to his son Philip II of Spain and his brother, Ferdinand became Holy Roman Emperor and took the Austrian/ Eastern lands. Absolutely loved this video. Despite studying the Habsburgs for a long time, I’ve not seen the family tree so we’ll explained.

It makes sense why being sterile is often a product of inbreeding: because it’s nature’s way of stopping further inbreeding from happening. Reading all of this makes my stomach churn and it makes me feel like I’m gonna puke. I have nieces from my brother’s marriage and my sister’s marriage. The thought of marrying one of them and then having sexual relations with one of them… god that’s so disgusting. Ew ew ew ew ew. That’s literally what the Hapsburgs did. Ew…..

@badflamer

3 ай бұрын

Look, I need to make it clear that I am not in any way defending either the social nor biological production of incest in any form. That said, you are also wildly misunderstanding the mentalities at play and the social dynamics formed through aristocracy. These weren't "go sit on your uncle's lap so he can tell you kids some fun holiday stories by the fire" uncle-niece relationships. Aristocrats have been rather infamously isolated in their manses and castles, attended daily by servants treated more like robots than people. It's why their great and many social gatherings are so important to them and why they all had rampant affairs and infidelity. They're all touch starved, emotionally neglected, socially unadjusted, traumatised tyrant-hermits,-their inbreeding being only a cherry on top in regards to their social behaviour and seemingly inhuman propensity for cruelty and depravity. so, focusing on how 'you would NEVER even IMAGINE with YOUR nieces' is completely pointless in any meaningful analysis of how these things happen, what social systems and structures reinforce them, and how to prevent such dynamics from replicating in society as we go forward. tl;dr stop virtue signalling, it helps no one and furthers the conversation in no way.

It feels like a paradox to consider your 1st cousin and 1st cousin once removed, like you’re not actually 1st cousin once removed, you’re like, their 1st cousin x2 or something.

I'm not as well versed on Habsburgs but just imagine how much they could have grown their empire if they looked outside the family reunion for spouses. This line could have reached out all over the world!

@ravenzyblack

29 күн бұрын

That’s what Queen Victoria did with all of her children. She was known as the “grandmother of Europe.”

Wow. The end bit there was ridiculous. It really illustrated just how bad the inbreeding was.

Everybody memes Alabama for incest jokes. But Habsburgs/European nobility and Pharaonic Egypt will be the memes I'll be using from here on in.

Everytime someone does a Habsburg family video they throw the best shade, I laughed throughout this video. Especially, "it goes in one big circle..." That was hilarious

Another great video with wonderful details, both historic and talented recreative technologie. Congrats!!

Were there no other royalty outside of the family available for marriage for this family at all...I'm totally confused! Thank you for the breakdown of the family history, this was fascinating!

@lilitharam44

2 жыл бұрын

There were a lot of other European royalty for them to marry, they chose not to. I'm not sure of all the reasons exactly, but speculation would guess that they had monetary reasons to marry in their family and consolidation of power.

@bangscutter

2 жыл бұрын

There were other nobilities as well, but for royalty to marry down with a noble is a downgrade of one's social status, so they didn't do it. Marriage among royalty was mainly a political tool then, and due to the circumstances of European politics then, they didn't have much choice to choose from if they limited themselves to just royal families. Then of course, there is also the monetary reason for keeping the wealth within the dynasty.

@chedelirio6984

2 жыл бұрын

Part of the issue was that these were not so much marriages as they were alliance treaties to make sure the lands and titles of the Houses did not pass to others, and that the respective monarchs would feel bound by family ties to back each other.

@AeronKabutoBlade

2 жыл бұрын

Also, around this time most European royal families were either Protestant - a big no-no for the "more Catholic than the Pope" Habsburgs - or French, the hated rivals.

@chilenapromedioRU

6 ай бұрын

They were trying to keep all the kingdoms and wealth within "the family". To avoid conflict. But that didn't stop Queen Victoria's grandsons to send most of their "subjects" to die, specially Whilhem.

This video is fabulous and very well made. The research must have been exhausting and thank you for explaining every bond between every relationship. Amazing job. Well done

I’ve become addicted to your channel. Fantastic job keeping everything interesting. .

@MortalFaces

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

Hi, I came across your channel yesterday and subscribed right away, I love it. 😃👍 Could you do a recreation of the "Most happi" medal of Anne Boleyn as that is the only true contemporary image of Anne and if you could bring that to life would be awesome. Also could you do more older English Queen's and Kings please? I am on hooked on your channel. 😍😍

Woow, my mind just exploted when you talked about the grade's cousins, by the way, what an amazing video about the Habsburg, greetings from Mexico 🙋🏻‍♂️

I was joking all those times when I described the Hapsburg family tree was a hula hoop. I didn't know how accurate I was!

I never knew someone could be cousins so many times🤣🤣🤣 Powerful ppl are sick 🤢

@bevnedd8746

2 жыл бұрын

that's why they look so peculiar

@mariagabbott

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahaha I came across this as he was going through all the times they were cousins 🤯🤯🤯

@marfa1861

2 жыл бұрын

I think hey were trying to keep the "Blue Bloods" a clean line....waaay back then! look at what it got them!!! :]

@johnvinals7423

2 жыл бұрын

@@marfa1861 The reason why they did that, by the way, is to ensure that land and titles would stay in the family.

@marfa1861

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnvinals7423 oh yes...i know...sort of like .."All in the Family"..!! lol

Your historic recreations have great recreational value. 👍

To be fair, Ferdinand III looks like someone you’d see in Beverley Hills right now: swollen lips, chin implant, etc. Have you seen Botched?!? The moral of the story is ….. if you want to feel upper class, you must have a distorted face.

@christopherthompson5400

2 жыл бұрын

when you've lost all humanity. Try losing a little more for some power, then you'll get there.

@ravenzyblack

29 күн бұрын

@@christopherthompson5400- It wasn’t always just about power. It was also about land and wealth, and keeping it within the family.

Even before, the trastamaras were also quite inbred. I get it, for the royal houses is not about Taste but politics and religion, but still creepy...

@ravenzyblack

29 күн бұрын

It was also about land and wealth.

WOW, loved how detailed you were!!!

I wonder what would Charles II's kids look like. They would probably be horribly disfigured etc.

@yarrr275

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they would've been so horribly disfigured that nature simply just didn't allow it anymore

@YvieT81

2 жыл бұрын

I think the video on him explained he didn’t manage to reproduce… I’m even surprised he managed to breathe..

@aequoria2949

2 жыл бұрын

I read that his family actually planned at one point to marry him to his niece (his sister’s daughter). Thankfully, nothing came of it. I don’t want to imagine what their children would have looked like!

@andreabartels3176

2 жыл бұрын

I think he was married, but never sired children. With this genetic mess, I'm not sure if viable offspring were even possible anymore.

@ravenzyblack

29 күн бұрын

@@andreabartels3176- He was married twice, and never produced any children.

I knew about the details of this long before I saw this video, but holy Habsburgs Batman. This really drove the point home just how messy it really got in the end.

I love your videos but I admit this time I had to pay more attention because omg this family tree is a mess, thank you for explaining it patiently, keep up the good work

@ravenzyblack

29 күн бұрын

I got so lost at the end of it. I couldn’t keep up. My brain started hurting.😂

Wow! My head is spinning! Great video!

I love your channel! Especially the POC videos!

Charles was spawned from the shallow end of the gene pool.

@lisamckennon3025

2 жыл бұрын

Charles is what happens when you repeatedly pee in your gene pool!!!

@elric_310

2 жыл бұрын

the gene spoon*

@eminem2996

Жыл бұрын

Gene pool? More like gene drop

Where did you get that photo in the thumbnail from, i think its Ferdinand III? It looks so realistic like a real photo, really like imagining how the habsburgs looked

@ryuno2097

2 жыл бұрын

he create it himself with photoshop and other softwares.

It's so nice to know I live in a family where everybody has one clear title. Everybody is just one thing and we all have normal problems.

I really enjoy your videos! They're so interesting and I've watched almost all of them. One thing though, said with total respect! When talking about someone who is a product of related members of their family we say, "inbred" and not "inbredded." Thanks for making these videos 🙂

I am so happy I have found your channel!. Cheers 🍻

That's just sad. I can't imagine being told I would have to marry someone that was so related. I would feel safe saying they must have had to run vomit several times on their wedding night. I can't believe how disgusting things were back then.

@JonathanGhost42

Жыл бұрын

Even back then this extreme amount of inbreeding was abnormal.

@animeXcaso

9 ай бұрын

Cousin marriages were not THAT strange in the past

Philip II looks like Tom Felton. If they ever do a historical movie involving that era, I totally want him now to play Philip II.

They really liked the names Maria and Anna. Especially combined.

@ravenzyblack

29 күн бұрын

Don’t forget Charles and Ferdinand and Phillip.

I died when he started with the uncle/Brother/cousin/cousin first removed/etc 😂😂 My brain went 🤪🤪

This gives a new meaning to getting together in a family circle singing loud.

@cruisecontrol7911

Жыл бұрын

lmao 🤣😂

Great videos, channel. and artwork! Would you do a Vlad Tepes (real life Dracula)? or Elizabeth Bathory maybe?? Thanks, and keep them coming.

17 different familial relationships with the same two people. What! I'm so damn confused

It might be interesting (or it might be an obnoxious headache) to include ratios of common genetics on these, where there are multiple "related bys" involved. Just a quick calculation of how many common ancestors and how many uncommon, or put it in percentage if that's easier (and I think more people find percentages easier) It's just a thought; these already take a ton of work I'm sure, even if you have a process down at this point, and I'm not in any way trying to suggest these are lacking or diminish your hard work! Thank you for making it available on KZread!

The Hapsburg Family tree was a wreath!

Check out the earlier Tastàmara dynasty before Isabella and Ferdinand. They were not as bad as the Habsburgs but they were definitely marrying close relations which could contribute to the physical health of their descendents.

@aracelysanchez3837

4 ай бұрын

Late reply but yes Isabella of Castile’s mother was a product of half -uncle niece union

Just stumbled on your channel...WOW! Really cool stuff! Never thought I'd get interested in this kinda thing. But you got a subscriber out of me!

@MortalFaces

Жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

Found your channel randomly. Love the videos and history!! Thanks for your work and keep it up! Have you done a video On what Joan of Arc may have looked like? If not, that might be an interesting one.

I love to say it's more like a family bush than a tree, which is so disturbing that it has no branches as you said. Tumble weed is maybe more appropriate considering the degradation of the DNA 😐

Keep the videos coming!!

When you got to Charles parents, I can tell you were getting annoyed at how exactly they're related (how many more cousins can be removed? Lau)

If you did this in the Sims 4 and you opened up the family tree the game would probably crash

Poor Charles II was born with so many health issues I don't even know he made it till 38 years old: what a torture his life must have been.

This channel is a very relaxing and fascinating wormhole, and someday I will see the end of a video. CAUTION: Unintentional ASMR dead ahead!

11th grade Spanish teacher jokingly brought out this on paper and told us to practice our vocabulary for families.

Great video!! I always had a little hard time understanding the connection between the Hapsburgs and the Italians and Spanish and now I get it

One more. If you haven’t done him already, I’ve always wanted to know what Alexander the Great looked like.

My niece and I, all snuggled up on the couch, have been watching your video with great joy.

Imagine Ferdinand III marrying someone who had his mother's name and must have also looked like his mother. Then gave his daughter basically the same name.

@christopherthompson5400

2 жыл бұрын

the things people would do for plumbing and political power is astounding.

@ravenzyblack

29 күн бұрын

@@christopherthompson5400- It was also about land and treaties.

You should see the Mixtec family lines as recorded in their codices. In class, we used to refer to them as the family topiaries