Interesting note: Anna of Cleves was the niece to Anne of Cleves (Henry VIII's wife). SUBSCRIBE: kzread.info/dron/LkN9aa7m2J4PKtSTs4DrlQ.html MORE INBRED TREES: Charles II's Spanish Habsburg Tree: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZWqcr5eblq-peZs.html Charles II's life: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oYuhkrqQe8SbYJM.html King Tut's Inbred Tree (Fathers Marrying Daughters): kzread.info/dash/bejne/fomTmKhvirSzd6Q.html Cleopatra was inbred too (Brothers Marrying Sisters): kzread.info/dash/bejne/d5V716-ro8LeYrA.html What did Marie Antoinette look in real life?: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d4xs0dSpqpmxcto.html

@chelseazaydaraensehon1198

Жыл бұрын

And how is it that I have a lot of these assholes in my family tree over on ancestry? It got so confusing I gave up. Either Ancestry is playing me or I really am somehow related to a lot of these inbred people. 😢

You know that something is wrong when your family tree does not resemble a tree but a fishing net.

@CreativeCreatorCreates

2 жыл бұрын

I laughed out loud at this.

@elvingearmasterirma7241

2 жыл бұрын

Fishing net? Thats a nice term It looks more like when you put two earphones into a pocket and they get tangled

@kimmoreels7950

2 жыл бұрын

lmao

@janem9408

2 жыл бұрын

My friend refers to these types of family trees as family shrubs

@LadyMngwa

2 жыл бұрын

@@janem9408 LOL nice!

This family tree is beyond confusing. You deserve a medal for sifting through it - and way more subscribers.

@facewrinkles3886

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like every next marriage mentioned makes me lose all the previous marbles I scrounged up somehow from the last. This lineage is insane

@johannebrunner6477

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t help that they all have the same name.

I agree with the other comment that this tree was more of a fishnet! The Egyptian family tree, however, down to the last Cleopatra was more of a gigantic tumbleweed! 🤣 I love your videos. These trees are fascinating.

@absolutelyalice1754

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, it was like a circle.

@bellamamma767

2 жыл бұрын

@@absolutelyalice1754 🥰 well, a tumble weed is kinda round with everything all twisted and going every which way, but staying mostly inside itself. Sorta like Cleopatra’s family tree 🤣

@elizabethmakua-travis4009

2 жыл бұрын

@@bellamamma767 the Greeks in Africa were busy

@simplysavyyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@absolutelyalice1754 lol full circle of chaos

@ole998

2 жыл бұрын

The egyptian family tree was a ladder let’s be real

Apparently, when Marie was a child, she was equipped with a sort of precursor to braces in order to help soften her Hapsburg jaw.

For those wondering how this could happen so flippantly, be reminded that when royals like this had children, they did not raise them themselves, necessarily. Sometimes the parents of these children would seem nearly like complete strangers until they enter preteen ages when they're expected to begin social responsibilities.

@soxpeewee

Жыл бұрын

Nah they encourage inbreeding

It's odd how royalty knew that inbreeding was bad (if they were marrying a close relative, in some instances they would even contact the catholic church to ask for permission), yet they did not seem to care.

@ryannguyen7466

2 жыл бұрын

The Austrians HRE was a patron with the Bishop of Rome so the Pope couldn't say anything afraid of losing a major patron and protector.

@indigocrayon520

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryannguyen7466 that makes sense

@sweethistortea

2 жыл бұрын

They needed the political alliances. Even though we know now just how many issues inbreeding can cause, back then they would have cared more about creating peace rather then creating healthy offspring.

@struberichizkek

2 жыл бұрын

they're inbreeding so their power will remain in their blood

@shop-a-holic3194

2 жыл бұрын

All about the money and classisme... In the European high sociaty you can see clearly that the 'old money' have very short and tick leggs in comparison to the rest of the body. Often an lip overbite or horse teeth. Short thick vingers and a very white pale skin. Now even the royals from now are marrying outstanding and stunning woman from outside the old gene pool. You can't but feel sorry for the kids who are very often born sick. I was working for a family who claimed to be offspring from the Habsburgs and I remember that one baby was born 'bad'. They turned the neck of the baby and claimed it was still born. The mother was so cold and heartless.. She said: We need strong baby's to keep the bloodline a live. She went on with her life like nothing happend. The next child was born healthy and she gave it directly to a nanny!!! She did not tend to the wants or needs of the child! All for the bloodline!

Royalty never really seemed to learn inbreeding wasn’t good. Thanks for bringing them to life. It’s cool to see living history.

@daddynanners3944

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's what makes it pretty hilarious.

@BloodNote

2 жыл бұрын

Right they STILL do it! 🤦🏾‍♀️😂

@Emmie1

2 жыл бұрын

Or they had an idea but keeping power/wealth within the family was more important.

@beacarrilloc

2 жыл бұрын

They actually knew and it was forbidden by the church, they had to get papal dispensations to marry. They just didn’t have enough fucks to give!

@BloodNote

2 жыл бұрын

@@Emmie1 Until they fuck up the whole line like Charles II of Spain did.

I love your humour! - "meanwhile, they are on their honeymoon - so let's give them some privacy....."!!!! 😆👌🙈😂

@MammaCass

2 жыл бұрын

Jac!! Heyyy I love this channel 😂

@jacquelinemorris7959

2 жыл бұрын

@@MammaCass Cass! me too - it's fascinating! xxx

„Tree“ tangled like a double string of christmas lights 🤣 Family reunions must have been awkward when introducing others, they were all each others cousins, parents, aunt and uncles, in-laws etc. 🤣

Louis XVI: Louis XIII was my great-great grandfather. Marie-Antoinette: I knew we could have something in common!

@Marian_Grubacki23

Жыл бұрын

Louis had Hapsburg blood through his mother and Marie Antoinette was a Bourbon as well.

According to my Personal Ancestral File program, Marie Antoinette's parents were related over 100 times.

The more we learn, the less we *want* to know.

We live in a world where "niece-wife" is a term that can be used to describe real people

Marie’s parents look so alike. They could be siblings. With 30+ familial connections it’s not surprising.

@pamelasimone5084

8 ай бұрын

That old undiluted gene pool coming through.

Never thought I would hear someone saying "it's not as simple as Charles II's family tree" 😅

Truly astounding. It's amazing that both Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were fertile. I can't imagine how you get through all this stuff without your brain exploding. It almost gives me a headache just to watch the video. Thank you!

@melz6625

Жыл бұрын

Probably helped that Marie Therese’s mother was an outsider so right then at least she got a fresh dose of DNA. And she was the very fertile one too

You are amazing to be able to present these family “trees”. My brain can't compute the information, crazy!

@syrup-

11 ай бұрын

Family Ladders, lol.

@mikoto7693

4 ай бұрын

Don’t feel alone. My brain stopped actually keeping track of the bloodlines and marriages about four generations in. After that I sat back and trusted the narrator to get it right.

The fact this guy put this together and explained it all. Lord I will bake this man cookies for life. 😂

"create a cousin for Ferdinand" 😭😭😭😭😭

If someone told me I was my own cousin, I’d be super creeped out. My first cousins and I don’t even allow our kids or grandkids to think they’re part of the eligible dating pool. We see each other all the time. We are family. That’s why it’s good to travel, at any time, but especially when you’re young. Meet a partner from somewhere else and another culture. Makes the family so much more healthy and interesting too.

@realitywins9020

Жыл бұрын

Didn't you watch the video? They were from different cultures. Spanish, German, Portuguese, Danish, etc. Still inbred though 🤣

@realitywins9020

Жыл бұрын

So you can meet someone from a different culture and they can still turn out to be your cousin! 😉

@Mioochii

Жыл бұрын

@@realitywins9020 XD

@85amil

Жыл бұрын

A lot of ppl are biracial and and if they continue just 2 generations of one race you wouldn’t know ppl just assume they can’t be related but most don’t know their great-grandparents line on both sides plus there’s outside children ect. Best to say no immediate family that you know.

@ffamrans

Ай бұрын

The first sentence took me out 😂

I understand a lot of people get into this for the grotequery aspect but I feel like, especially after your Charles II and Celeo videos, it's helped humanize these historical figures for me personally. Another great video.

@Silfka

2 жыл бұрын

tbh it has the exact opposite effect on me ... the reason for their inbreeding is for sure much more sinister than it appears to be - they avoided mixing with the human race at any cost

@shadmanhasan4205

Жыл бұрын

None had it worse than King Tut

@nicholasbstone

Жыл бұрын

@@Silfka Nailed it.

@fabrislr9368

Жыл бұрын

@@Silfka and also they wanted to keep the money in the family.

As a French speaker, I just have to point out: it was delightful to hear you try so hard with the French R. It was music to my ears! That's commitment!

Introducing the Z axis to the family tree for this one

I would love to see the danish king Christian the 4th who had 20+ kids with a couple of wives and a lot of mistresses

@kurama2511

2 жыл бұрын

No doubt they helped tangle that web up even further

I find linear family trees difficult to follow, so this was just mind-boggling for me.

"As its not as simple as Charles the Second's family tree" Yikes. Not an accomplishment you want in your life. Also thats not a tree thats a god damn _two earphone tangle_

If you ever record historical novels for audible, I'd like to be notified. Your voice is perfect for any sort of documentary!!!

So the reason why she was kind of okay is that she had some recent outsider ancestors. Good for her

Many dogs are inbreed to try and strengthening certain characteristics (while also doing the same to negative health traits). The cases in history of inbred royal family trees is focused on titles and accumulation of power.

@indigocrayon520

2 жыл бұрын

Line breeding and inbreeding in dogs are two different things.. Line breeding is beneficial, inbreeding is not

@afngary

2 жыл бұрын

@@indigocrayon520 Well, if you do a search for "top 10 inbreed dogs" you'll get some examples. In either case there is a fine line between line-breeding and inbreeding.

@indigocrayon520

2 жыл бұрын

@@afngary oh definitely, it has to be done right

Watching a lot of these videos lately, if anyone saw my history they would think I'm super into inbred people. I'm not! It's not my fault history is so gross lol

@BloodNote

2 жыл бұрын

😂 Right? This stuff is really wild and interesting too. Doesn't mean I'm into doing it with my cousin sister mother however this goes. 😂

@psalmchapter35

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it is gross family and family I am a decendan of these Habsburg before my mother died confession said we are related to them I did not believe this now I understand my jaw has a little cruckedness and my hair is so curly so to make it short took DNA and wow my great great aunt well family member Marie Antoinette was messed up thanks to George Washington to marry that France king but am not going to lie love my family ❤️❤️

@kcirtapelyk6060

Жыл бұрын

It’s a disgusting, yet fascinating subject. It’s not much different from people being fascinated by serial killers or crime dramas.

@BloodNote

Жыл бұрын

@@kcirtapelyk6060 I like those too 🤣🤣

@BitterBetty76

8 ай бұрын

​@@BloodNotewe need to start a club for people like "us"😂😂😂

Marie-Antoinette's husband (Louis XVI) and his own children were third cousins 🤭 Yep, his maternal grandmother was Empress Maria Theresa's cousin. Also, Marie-Antoinette was (through her paternal grandmother) more closely related to Louis XIII than Louis XVI was. I love this family so much! 😄😍

@jamiemohan2049

7 ай бұрын

If you marry your cousin you will always be cousins with your own kids.

Thank you for mapping this family tree. I am related to just about all the people in this tree. I would like to say Marie A.'s mother Maria Theresa did not have the Habsburg chin. Maria Antoinette didn't really inherit it either you can see this in the death mask. She did have the slight receding upper lip and fuller bottom lip. Actually she had a bit of a weak chin. People focus too much on the extended form of this defect on the more pronounced versions in her family tree. The current Habsburgs have Marie A. chin, it is a weak chin with a receding upper lip. I and members of many my family inherited the weak chin fuller bottom lip and slightler smaller upper lip. My smallest cousin is Maria Antionette's twin in appearance she in turn is near identical to her mother my first cousin but again we are from mostly from the very top of Maria Antionette's tree. Our ancestors also intermarried numerous times in the Catholic Church requiring dispensation etc. this was somewhat normal in Royal, Aristocratic and landed families. I would have difficulty even now figuring out how many times my own parents are related as distant cousins. The leading families would marry cousins and even in 1 case a niece to keep power, land and money in the family. If pushed I would have to say my mother and father are related at least 5 times through various distant family lines. Clearly they did not know this when they got married however there we are. My mother's family however knew that everyone they married was basically a distant cousin cousin dating back to the 15-1600's. After awhile everyone is going to be a distant cousin in this type of situation. I would say the all the Royal families, aristocrats and landed families are distant cousins etc. at this point. This style of Hapsburg chin can be seen in Otto von Habsburg's family in the link of the funeral I will post here. His son looks like my male cousins and his daughter looks like the younger cousin of mine who could be Marie Antionette's twin my cousin is just paler than Eleonore granddaughter from Emperor Otto von Habsburg. I would LOVE to see you use the current Habsburg's pictures for Marie Antionette and her family as their lips and chin match the paintings almost perfectly they did not inherit the Mandible prognathism only Georg did which is very slight, the rest have Maxillary prognathism like we do. While it is still a defect of inherited prognathism it is slight. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015994/End-Royal-dynasty-Otto-von-Habsburg-laid-rest--heart-buried-crypt-85-miles-away-different-country.html

@SHyperice

2 жыл бұрын

wow, that is some serious science.

@daviditsa9699

2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting, thanks!

@kiertavasirkus

Жыл бұрын

Habsburgs blame Mazovian Piast princess Cymbarka to introduce "the Habsburg jaw", although in reality there were earlier Habsburgs that had it already; Cymbarka had a lot of children and that;s why it was spreaded

@paperroses7615

Жыл бұрын

I'm the same as you DNA test I have too many Empress Maria Treasa and Marie Antoinette which means all the brothers and sisters and Napoleon Bonaparte mother's DNA Leticia Romolino and Napoleon married his second wife Marie Antoinette niece so both relatives married each other I have all 3 French lines Bourbon Napoleon and De Orleans and Spanish Hapsburg line and a bit of Portuguese noble Unfortunately I inherited a very painful genetic bone diesese which I'm sure wasn't identified due to no CT scans or MRI It be great to talk to you Google Princess Beatrice France she's Marie Antoinette niece blonde hair and you will see what Marie Antoinette looked like I'm the same I look like Napoleon as his younger pictures with him holding up flags behind him my Dad and his brothers look like Napoleon too only 200 years but that's still short enough time for family resemblance I'm looking for the more recent relatives that will be my connection Sure love to speak with you sound close enough of a relative 🌹

@chelseazaydaraensehon1198

Жыл бұрын

I have a lot of these assholes in my tree as well! Houses of Capetian, Bourbon along with these and others. It’s so confusing I gave up trying to figure it out. 😂

When your DNA is 90% chin and 10% love for your family tree

What was so ambitious about The Ambitious Magdalene of Bavaria? I want to know.

@H1ST0RYWriter

Жыл бұрын

She was noted as politically ambitious and wise by contemporaries. She declined the proposal of an Archduke (and future Emperor of the HRE) to mary a count for convenience. Her brother gave her considerable money & her new husband eventually converted to the Catholic faith. This was during the 30 Yrs War, which when concluded, diminished the powers of the Emporer & granted the Habsburgs more autonomy in their lands & titles since the Emporer title itself was elective.

If Ferdinand ii and Isabella i were cousins and their daughter Catherine of Aragon later Queen of England : if this would explain Catherine of Aragon's fertility issues. Just a thought.

@savagedarksider5934

2 жыл бұрын

Henry VII wouldn't been happy to learn that his son got rid of Catherine.

@canyou7670

2 жыл бұрын

They were second cousins I think but by looking at this chart I think it was not the cause.

@pamelasimone5084

8 ай бұрын

@@savagedarksider5934Probably. Catherine was initially married to Henry VIII’s brother, Arthur Prince of Wales. Arthur died six months after the wedding and Catherine firmly stated that she and Arthur never consummated the marriage. It was a strategic political alliance so the pope was asked to give a dispensation for Henry VIII to marry Catherine.

“Keeping it in the family”

Can you do Queen Boudica? I wanna see her come to life 💕

@simona_ab

2 жыл бұрын

I'm going to sustain the idea, by repeating your comment. Eccellent idea! 👏

When you don’t have a family tree 🌲 but a family funnel 🌪, there’s something wrong

I LOVE your videos! Your research, your subtle humor, and your amazing soothing voice are just fantastic!!! Love history

I just discovered your channel recently and am so obsessed!! Brings out the AP Euro nerd in me 🤓

I think I just had a seizure 😵‍💫 but man I love the way you explain the families and the funny little moments "the ones we've already forgotten" 😂

Very interesting!! Congrats on having the patience to sort that out for us!!

That’s absolutely wild.

Thanks for making this one! It’s amazing and so weird! I appreciate your scholarship.

Just wow, this is incredible ! Great work!

Gotta admit I ran out of brain cells there. Don’t know how you deliver so much information so succinctly Fascinating stuff 👏🏻

Keep up the great work!!!! Very informative - thank you for all of your hard work in laying such a complicated family tree out in a logical and easily understood manner.

I can't describe in words how lost I was watching this (blame my poor skills of keeping track of information), but, my friend, you deserve a prize for the time and patience invested into organizing this family tree! Awesome job!

I'm listening to you...looking at the trees...lost. Seriously cannot keep up. I'm glad we have you to unravel all of this history for us. It is important, however distant. Thank you!

Fabulous research! Great video. Thank you!

So Marie Antoinette’s great grand uncle is Louis XIV, the sun king, then? And yet she was labeled the Austrian spy…

Anybody know if the royal families ever lost track of their ancestry and were unaware that they were marrying nieces nephews and cousins?

@no.6377

2 жыл бұрын

I highly doubt it to be honest. I mean, the whole point seemed to be to keep(hoard) titles and assets as close to the family and allies as possible. The fact that most were very much aware that they were marrying their cousin in some cases makes me believe they saw the incest aspect less relevant than the wealth hoarding aspect. From my little Google search, it seems incest was still considered disgusting and immoral , especially among common folk. But...the choices get narrower when you're a noble looking for someone of suitable rank. (Please note, I am not an expert and I've done a very minimal search on this)

@geslinam9703

2 жыл бұрын

@@no.6377 I thought incest - such as cousins marrying - was more common and accepted back then, not just among royalty, but with regular people as well.

@k_a_y_l_e_e

Жыл бұрын

@@geslinam9703 apparently it was a well-known fact among the normal citizen class that inbreeding was bad. not only morally but health-wise (due to their experiences breeding horses). they had no wealth to keep in the family and they knew it wasn't a good idea, so i really don't see any reason that regular folk would be marrying their own cousins.

@85amil

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely NOT to much money, land and wealth (over health) on the line.

@pamelasimone5084

8 ай бұрын

@@85amilPlus political alliances when the different lines fought each other.

Amazing research. Very well done, and curiously fascinating.

Wow, this family tree is so confusing but fascinating. Thanks for all your detailed work.

Oh my gosh, Mortal Faces! However do you keep it all straight. I am so impressed with your research. It must take you forever to do this and I very much appreciate it. And, of course, your images of how people in historical portraits may have looked. Thank you.

Thank you very much for this knowledge !!! Very, very interesting and educational!

This is disgusting I’m sorry 😭😭😭 why are there so many crosses and tracks?!

@Stachelbeeerchen

2 жыл бұрын

One important word: "royalty"

@Ralfi_PoELA

2 жыл бұрын

You know why

can I just say I am always DELIGHTED when one of your videos gets recommended to me, because theres something INCREDIBLY funny about your thumbnails like. they have the energy of a callout post. its fantastic

I'd love to see you do the Marquis de Lafayette!!

Absolutely fascinating. You explain it all so clearly. ❤

Loved the video with the humor

I love this channel. History lines are so fascinating! One thing my wife and I would love for you to add is the living years underneath the person's name like you have for Eleonora Gonzaga. Anna of Cleves has her birth year and that's good too but birth and death year would be awesome and give a little more frame of reference to their lives. Great job overall though!

"The happy uncle and niece..." made me throw up in my mouth a lil bit 🤣 (I have no historical knowledge of the state of their marriage, just the sentence made me uncomfy!)

@nesrinoz3926

2 жыл бұрын

It's extremely disgusting. I did too.

Great job on the explanation!

I always get lost but I love listening, I’ll understand certain parts and fall apart. U deserve more subs

My head is spinning with this one! Not only convoluted, but too many people with the same names! Thank you for this.

to be fair to eleonora gonzaga, marrying your cousin *twenty-three* times over could happen to literally anyone

I don’t know how you keep all of this straight. Great job!

Putting this video together, I am sure, was not easy. I got lost as to who married who, so I can only imagine the nightmare this must have been by just trying to explain. Great job!

Look at you blowing up now, love this for your channel and have been following since day 1! Great work 😊

@MortalFaces

2 жыл бұрын

Since day 1 really? Wow. That's nice to hear!

Your channel is so underappreciated. Fascinating content, and a much needed calm approach.

"Hes Looking for a wife too, and who better to marry than your own cousin!" i love your dry humour bud 😂😂😂🙏✨

Your voice is really relaxing.

At least there is some mixing. Not much but a bit better than some specimen we've seen.

Can you do Queen Boudica, please? We would enjoy it very much. ❤🌹🤗 Sustaining the request of @KatsyKins

Amazing work on this video! The families are a historical Soap Opera.

Landgravine Elizabeth Amalia was also a descendant of Marie of Habsburg-Jagellon daugther of Ferdinand I.

I said it once in another video and I’ll say it again, maybe true royalty is the cousins we married along the way.

Thank you so much 💓 😀

This is a family tumbleweed. Whole horrific layer to “what are you doing step bro”

Great video I enjoyed it 👍😀

its like a maze that never ends

This is interesting, but it also gives me a headache. Kudos for keeping up with it all!

You explain this so well and yet my brain will not accept it. Hapsburgs, man.

Wow! Had a hard time keeping up. What a genealogy line!

Fascinating stuff.

Outstanding

You did an amazing job researching the family tree and explaining it but Marie's family tree is complex my head still hurts

I love how you talk about them like you are god playing the sims!

Could you do the royal family from Naples and Sicily? One of Marie Antoinette’s sisters married in the castle of Sicily

I love your show. I have a question about how accurate is Ancestry sites? How accurate is The LDS since they're library is the biggest collection around? I've been doing my grandmother's genealogy side which is on my mother's side. I've found some interesting connections. That started popping up on my tree I was putting together. Just need some reassurance if the LDS site is accurate or legit.

As a history enthusiast I pretty much recognised all of the people mentioned, yet it still caused me a headache lol I can’t imagine how confusing it must be for someone who has no idea who they are.

@Atajew

Жыл бұрын

As a non-european, this is even more confusing than the dynastic relationships inside the Ottoman Empire.

Thank you for making this entertaining! It was easier to follow.

@pamelasimone5084

8 ай бұрын

I wish we had history teachers like you. I would have paid more attention in class.

I love your trees, can you do a tutorial in the future of how you make them?

Congrats on 111k subscribers!!

@MortalFaces

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

Ok so I got dizzy listening to this.. I should have just settled for her mother and father's lineage lol! Great work by the way. It was still very enjoyable and appreciated!

What puzzles me is that all those people not only asked for, but received papal dispensation for all those marriages for closely related couples.

@mirjanbouma

Жыл бұрын

Money (and power) talks.

@pamelasimone5084

8 ай бұрын

Yes. Henry VIII had to get one to marry Catherine of Aragon because it was incest to marry one’s brother’s wife. I think the Biblical interpretation was based on Deuteronomy. That was one of the issues that caused the pope to refuse a new dispensation allowing Henry to divorce Catherine and marry Anne Boleyn.

@pamelasimone5084

8 ай бұрын

@@mirjanboumaAnd if you marry into the branch with a larger army and stronger navy.

Your vids are weirdly interesting. History is nasty but very intriguing to learn about

That was confusing. Had to watch that a couple of times. Educational as always 👌