Something I'm just considering now: blood stone could also metaphorically refer to a ruby, a blood red stone. Like rhaegar's rubies, which fell like symbolic blood drops into the Trident where he died. From a hammer. From a horned man. So blood stones fell bc of a hammer. That was on the water. Funny little word play from George

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

100% that's an exact parallel. And it happened at the green fork of the trident, so, in the green see. Rhaegar's rubies re 100% a meteor shower of fiery and bloody dragons, you got it! Check out weirwood compendium 1 for all the examples of this pattern, which is GRRM's version of the classic storm god and dragon-slaying myth

@PackLeader-1990

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidLightbringer also present in Elden Ring. Btw Aegon's prophecy reminded me a lot of a prophecy that Merlin supposedly made that influenced Henry VII. George is from Bayonne which is about 45 minutes from where I live and if you look at a map of Westeros it is modeled after England that is for sure but take a look at King's Landing & then take a long look at the coast of New Jersey. Especially the Perth Amboy/Raritan bay area.

@PackLeader-1990

Жыл бұрын

I like this parallel a lot^

@arthurcosta9482

Жыл бұрын

And why did Hammer of Waters ?

@siamihari8717

Жыл бұрын

Prophecy has a magical effect where people tend to make it come true. Look at Cyrus the Great, his grandfather feared that a descendent of his would usurp him so he ordered Cyrus's death. Only to be usrped by the boy he tried to slay

Had a thought washing dishes and listening in. There are five previous Kings Aegon. If Jon’s true name is Aegon, and fAegon is coronated in King’s Landing but then eats it, he’d be the seventh at least potential King Aegon. Incidentally, the last aspect in the order of the Faith of the Seven is the Stranger, symbolizing outsiders and death itself. Jon is a good model for the stranger, bastard, dead, a norm breaker and change agent unpopular enough for assassination, and it adds a nice little ironic twist to have Faith numerology inform us on someone who worships the old gods.

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

Jon has a ton of stranger symbolism, for sure. I like this

@alexishenry4434

Жыл бұрын

hey! Good catch

I agree with your optimism on GRRM. He was really starting to alienate a lot of people, but then he changed and opened up. Anyone not a psycho loves GRRM and his work even if they are frustrated with the timing. I get the argument you are not owed anything as a fan, but fans are why GRRM has been able to do so much with his world and I appreciate that he has started to become more honest, open and generally more pleasant with the fandom.

@andrzejkopalnia

Жыл бұрын

+1! ❤️

Great call to block rude people. This really is a nice place and that’s why I love it.

“This realm deserves a better kind of zombie…and I’m gonna give it to em.” - Bran, Allegedly

Spot on about Azor Ahai and the Night's King. I also believe he was Brandon Gardener (AKA Brandon of the Bloody Blade) who was stripped (made stark) of his name and set up his own kingdom at Winterfell. The night's king is at the bottom of the Winterfell litchcellar.

@williamhermann6635

Жыл бұрын

I tend to think BOTBB was likely a bastard.

@casey9439

Жыл бұрын

@@williamhermann6635 BOTBB? Brotherhood Of The Big B**bies?

@williamhermann6635

Жыл бұрын

@@casey9439 Brandon of the Bloody Blade lmfao

I wonder if the "hinge of the world" Mel describes at the wall is because of that weirwood at The Nightfort. I bet she could do some spooky stuff if she burned it! Also I think George made a comment about needing to figure out a character's name before he can do anything with them, which is why all of the names have so much meaning when you dig into them.

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

100% that’s a key GRRM quote

I’ve really missed the live-streams… always a fun supportive environment… thanks as always Dave, and of course to all the fine folks in the chat. More on the topic of edibles… smaller consistent doses in the morning (or whenever you take your first meal or honestly in the evening if that’s more your style ;), and CDB blends can help. It’s unfortunate the healthiest method of ingestion is inherently more complicated cause they take effect in such a different way. My best advice would be listen to your own body. Burning herb is way more consistent and reliable, cause you don’t have to worry about what is or isn’t in your stomach. It’s obviously unhealthy to breath burnt carbon, buts it’s also by no means uncommon in the modern world. I used to swim at the college level and and the amount of time I spent breathing heavily in a chlorinated environment was the equivalent to smoking two packs a day. Running on the sidewalk next to a highway isn’t great compared to running that same distance on a trail. It’s about balance and variety and general mindfulness as much as moderation. People kill themselves way more dramatically/directly in the obsessive pursuit of health though, so you’re already way ahead of the curve by my reckoning 😁 Whenever my parents come to visit me I buy a pen. That’s mostly to cut back on smell. They don’t necessarily NOT hurt my lungs they just make them feel shitty in a different way. That said, they’re quite powerful and consistent in that same way you’re probably used and maybe prefer.

THANK YOU for talking about Bedwick AKA Giant!! I'm _obsessed_ with this character, who's so overlooked. LOVE the ironic nickname (inverse of "Small Paul" or how in classic cartoons with gangsters there's always a refrigerator-sized guy named "Tiny") Giant's appearance, skills and behavior screams CotF to me, and I think it's a strong hint to interpret the "Wake giants from the earth" line as actually referring to the CotF. Thank you for a lovely stream and take care of your voice! 🌿🍯🫖

I have a suggestion, and it comes from a place of wanting to help your throat feel better, hopefully it doesn’t come across like I’m an asshole: Have you tried playing with the gain on your mic? Maybe if you increased that, you could speak at a much lower volume? I’m sure we could all get behind a change like that in the interest of putting less strain on your voice/throat. Anyways, love the streams (I often miss them and watch VODs afterwards), you always have a lot of interesting insight and commentary!

I'd been listening to Bloodstone Compendium and Green Zombies essay series over and over the last few months. I'm so glad you're returning to this series.

I’m so happy you are getting back to this!❤️

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

hey Stefiz!!

Great stuff as always LML ...i know people get upset about the breaks and bird care, but I've been watching long enough where it's just become part of the charm.

When I commented bout this on one of your earlier videos I wasn’t sure, but holy hot damn going through all those nights watch brothers and their names/sigils all lining up with wierwood/green man symbolism convinced me. If GRRM is deftly doing all of that, there’s no way all the other wordplay stuff isn’t intentional. Praise Garth and Good Work!!!

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

Have you watched the secret origins of the Green men series? All the Garth / weir wordplay?

@andrewbahlman7768

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidLightbringer a while ago but about time for a revisit my man, goin on the watch next list

Two thoughts Would be cool if Cold Hands was one of the original 12 companions or even the last hero himself, whatever fukkery happened during the Long Night he ends up being an ice zombie and now doesn't belong to the realms of men he gave his life to defend, so now his duty is to keep The Others in check with the surviving children and The Three Eye Crow (assuming it is a title passed along) The oath to open the Weird Wood gate might be shorter because they have been adding shit to it through the years, but the door is so old that it works with the original, shorter oath of the watch.

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

I think this makes the most sense

Great stream! It's 3am here so it unusual that I catch it live, looking forwards to more Sunday streams in January!

I've read the series 3x over the years but when @LML mentions the killing of Mormont I am just transported to spring 2013 in a wild way

Another banger as usual. 🎄🔥

On the subject of the raven perching on the Lord Commander's shoulder - ravens also perch on the dead.

Timeline Heresies and Green Zombies this is the dope ish right here

Sweet streams are made of teas... ....in the land of mythical astronomy ❤️

Fun and interesting stream as always, LML 😃

Starting the first stream of the year with a mute. Very good! Looking forward to all your content this year! Happy new year 🎉 🎉🎉

I always feel like I'm taking an online college course on ASOIAF lore with these types of streams. Feel like I should be taking notes for the test! Lol

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I do prefer that style of presentation, it seems to work well and it’s good striking a balance between serious, in depth discussion and the casual, lighthearted atmosphere that I prefer. I’d love to teach a course on this stuff, I know some universities are doing that. No one has invited me yet though haha

Thank you for sharing your passion and insight with us David, I can’t express my gratitude enough for the in depth analysis of GRRM’s amazing world. Sending you all my positive vibes and love. 🙌

This video is just a giant information dump. And I love it.

Every time you delve this deep it makes me wonder at your commitment to research and the depth of George's creation. Makes me all that much more pumped for the end of the story bc of course the end will not be the end.

Dude…more “hold” tunes comin’?! Sick! I literally praise Garth to your videos

Can't recall if you covered it in the stream but another significant thing about Winton Stout being from Barrowton is that one of the maester ideas in regards to the Corpse Queen is that she may have been a daughter of a Barrow King

This is an all-time stream! Entertaining, clearly laid out arguments, lots of evidence, and a Björk reference. What more do we need?

Love it, keep up the good work!

Great stream, thanks LML!

Another great stream!

"when everything was an hour-and-a-half long" lol you underestimate how long your early podcasts were!

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

I know it’s obscene

Idk if this has been said, but what if Night's King killed his brothers in a way that when he raised them to be wighted, they were still fully intact? This would make it look like brothers of the night's watch who are feverishly loyal, and fight like ferocious super humans. That could seem like "strange sorcery".

BEING A LONG TIME FAN OF THE SERIES NOW I GOT YOU LML

i recall when you first dropped your old ones bombshell in that forgotten creatures video. it blew my mind so thoroughly that i knew it must be right. gj

damn i slept thru the alarm 😭 great stream as usual mate maybe i’ll be awake for the next one 😂

Another good stream

I wish we could see the green men in the Isle of Faces on House of the Dragon, but i doubt it. Great stream!

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

Naw I think GRRM has said we will see the Isle of Faces

So happy to see this hardcore deep lore stuff again. May the Lord of Light be with you, LML!

After a previous video about the nightfort where you talk about the 79 sentinels, you said the number does not mean anything. But with nummerology its a specific number. 1st its got 7 in it from the faith of the seven, 2nd 9 is 3x3 a divine number. If you at 7+9=16 then 1+6=7 you again get a 7. Also a holy number its about magic, birth and death and inner wisdom. So if you then take the number 79 it makes more sense for why hé choose this number

You've spoken many times about what might have convinced the first men to suddenly change their religion. It may be as simple as "seeing is believing". Imagine primitive (likely superstitious) men seeing magical powers in action for the first time. If an actual religious figure such as Odin or Jesus walked through Sacramento today and demonstrated their powers, there'd be new churches popping up tomorrow.

love the green zombie series!

There’s definitely some moon logic at play here but it’s fun to listen to more out there theory’s diggin the vibes

When Azor Ahai plunged his sword into Nissa Nissa's heart, her soul and her spirit went into his sword. In other words, her life fire transformed the sword into flame. So if her fire left her body, what was left? Ice.

Wick can also mean "green or alive". It is old English... still used today in some regional dialects.

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

Oh hahah “green carved wood man”

Great stream. Glad I caught it on the replay. Happy New Year DL!

What a great way to start the new year, an almost 3 hour stream *happy dance* thank you!

Awesome stream - so much good stuff. Thank you, David!

So excited to be watching this!!!! Loved watching all your past work on this subject!!! Love love love your channel!!! Thank you for all you do! Happy New Year to you; Minty, and your loved ones! Thought it very interesting that House of the Dragon highlighted the Weirwood tree as the background in a lot of the important dialogue between different characters.

Thanks for this LmL! I am doing a reread, following oldnewdude, and this symbolic analysis adds a lot to my enjoyment of it.

Each streams blows my freaking mind. How do you decipher George’s work so well

Hey! Not sure if you got this : eat an apple before your show. It’s a singer trick. It’ll help keep your throat moist

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

Oh okay I can see that… love apples too.

@MusicalCircus

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidLightbringer I have lots of other things as a singer, but it seems that most people have already mentioned them, or you already knew them lol. Hope the apple thing helps

I was literally changing from green clothes to black clothes whilst listening to this at about 1:45 and I had one of those 'shit-where's-the-camera' moments...😂

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

Enjoying this video so much! Thanks LML ✨

Happy New Year bringer of light, David

Caught the replay this morning. Can't watch live at the moment it's too late here and I'm an early bird 🤣 Just wanted to wish you Happy New Year x

David downing Hennessy was my personal highlight. Also fawning over reading rhaegar

Happy New Years!!

I think the burning of the dead ranger at crasters keep towards the end of your stream fits with my theory too somewhat, sacrificing someone to bring life into the world

Happy new year!

I’m watching this on Monday and it’s blowing my mind. You need a PhD in this subject!

You do an amazing job, but honestly at this point I would be more impressed with George if he indeed thought this far ahead and most of your theories did turn out to be true. The map of symbolism George wrote in to be decoded would be super impressive if these theories come to fruition.

I'm still not sure of the green men as a separate race; a lot of me still likes the alchemical-like transformation of a bronze first king, being drowned by the children of the forest at the neck (I agree that they absolutely didn't do the arm of dorne, that has absolutely never made sense, but it does feel more like water magic of some sort at the neck) and growing a green patina (which you can grow on your skin), and reviving himself but totally changed and now a type of greenseer and skinchanger. Basically the story of patchface (a lot of his rhymes of the sea involve transformation), who who has seer properties himself. But I love the idea of the children of the forest resurrecting the last hero's companions as the start of the night watch. That makes complete sense as to what their purpose was. And what's interesting is that the purported children of garth number 13 (although again the Stark connected is out of place, as the only northern family and only being maybe one of garths children). I also like that you pointed out that the weirwoods are never planted! it feels like weirwoods are almost like mushrooms, in that they "eat" the dead, i.e. living material deep in the earth or buried people, and sprout there. I also like the connected between Azor Ahai/Nissa Nissa and the Night's King/Queen. If you add the bloodstone emperor too, it's pretty telling that both the Night's King and the Bloodstone Emperor is accused of enslaving family/brothers and that creating the Others and creating dragons seems to involve some sacrifice of people you should be protected like family or children. Great video!

Just in time to clean my kitchen … again ☄️☄️☄️

Good stream!

Hope both you & Minty are doing well despite your breakup. Even when amicable it can still be rough. Sending you both love & positive vibes all 2023 🙏🏼✨❤

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

Thanks ❤️❤️

Happy New Year!

Maybe the 13th leader means leader of the 13?

U love getting us excited for astronomy lololol

Happy Mute Year!!

Old school LmL freestyling! You are back to the weirwood roots man! I feel the groove grove! Or is it the grave?

Great Stream! had to pause for a bit and get settled in at work...

I like the idea of Cold Hands being Bran The Builder tbh.

In one of the early chapters of Hamlet's Mill, there is a Vedic story about a priest/god/king who has to make a journey somewhere, where other men cannot tread. However, he is so beloved by his comrades that they insist on journeying with their leader. All of the King's companions die. I can't remember the rest, but it definitely reminds me of the last hero and in a sense, the Night's Watch. it's also reminiscent of Enoch being the only human to ever be taken to heaven in his full human form. Other apocrypha suggest Enoch becomes the angel Metatron, who is almost as powerful as God. Perhaps, GRRM is referencing the precession? Each of the last hero's companions could represent a sign of the zodiac. They could be the inverse parallel to the Night's Watch under the guidance of the Lord Commander who became bewitched by the Corpse Queen. The last hero's companions willingly die to help the hero in his cause. The Lord Commander, with the help of Corpse Queen, bewitches his fellow watchmen so that they are void of free will. Night's King becomes more godlike.

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

I do think it’s modeled on the zodiac, yes. Check out Green Zombies 4: Zodiac Children of Garth the Green. The plus one constellation is Orion, which is the sword of the morning in ASOIAF and who cross the path of the ecliptic even though he’s not a zodiac

You're a trooper!

Ice Wizards... Azor Ahai... Lion of the Night... Demons... Far East I think we cracked the code on what Tolkein's Blue Wizards were up to this whole time

Thanks

Hey, David. Are you safe from the flooding? Cloud rivers are no joke, especially with your local geology. Is there anything you need? We're a community. We are here for each other.

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

I’m okay, but I’m going to go over to a friends house tomorrow who has a fireplace so that if the power goes out I won’t be in my cold little apartment. The birds are still at the bird hotel from New Year’s and I’m just leaving them there

Sounds like a phlegm thing rather than a sore throat. Sounds like the tea is helping. Hope you’re not getting overwhelmed with “help” on the subject. Just sending healthy vibes your way.😁Thanx for the stream!

I am rewatching this and drinking: - every time you cough; - when you laugh at your own wit; - when I hear bird noises; - when you answer a question from the chat; There's your drinking game. I'm 10 minutes in and already fuzzy lol

Praise Garth

I saw Dave grohl do a cover of Copa cabana and you look like you could be his younger brother when you both have the beard. Happy new year brother, and to all the fellow heretics.

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

That’s dope I’ll take it! I love Dave he’s awesome

Rewatch binge 🎉🎉🎉

"13" in these cases always struck me as being used like "40" is in the OT of the Christian Bible, and I presume in the Torah, as a place holder meaning "a big number".

@SoCalledGodess

Жыл бұрын

Same. As soon as I read that NK was the 13th LC and also reigned for 13 years, I immediately thought that it was not a literal, factual number. I mean it's an oral history passed down for thousands of years, it seems really likely that the details got blurry and this unlucky number was a lot easier to remember than the actual facts.

@alexmoes3225

7 ай бұрын

​@@SoCalledGodessplus Sam's reading in the archives seems to indicate that Jon is not really the 999th LC, so GRRM is using that as a teaching moment that the numeracy of the LCs is not to be trusted.

I think Dolorous Edd is the Old Nan of the wall.

@arcadechimera

Жыл бұрын

Also, Bran getting told not to raise the dead might be foreshadowing that he may try to rez Jon when he senses Jon is dead. 🤔

Love the symbolism

The children helped organize the Watch,and on the Other side of the wall,did they set up the Other's watch to keep the Westerosi on their side of the Wall...and the free folk were trapped and sh@t out if luck? Did the children think their magic put the Other's asleep under the snow,but it's not holding anymore?

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

That’s never been the way I’ve seen it, but that’s an interesting idea. I tend to think the children did not create the Others as they did on the show. Rather, I think Azor Ahai / Nights King stole and misused the weirwood magic to make the Others

On the ambiguity of "Man who lead the night's watch" vs Lord Commander: What does it do to the picture of Night's King to add on characters who have fit that exact wording without being LC? Off the top of my head that adds Ser Waymar, Benjen, & Donal Noye. Also there's something to be said for the rangers following Mance's trail making (former crow) Mance a form of "man who leads the Night's Watch." Like being lead by the crone's light. A crow crone.

Interesting topic

The wall is built up slowly through the years, it was definitely low enough for the Nights King to see the Corpse Queen in some detail. Also, I wonder if this was what got the black brothers rule of not marrying?

Thought you were moving to Australia? Do miss your longer videos, went through all of them in lockdown 😂

Since the map of Westeros supposedly is Ireland upside down, I wonder if any of the important locations on the Westeros map relate to important location on the Ireland map as far as mythology goes.

Perhaps retrieving nissanissas spirit broke the weirwoods to the point where spirits started escaping and they are the others, then the green men/children of the forest and humans were like oh shit we all gon die now unless we work together to fix it

Idk know what it is about lml but whenever I listen to his shit I perform at peak levels at Tetris

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

now THAT's an endorsement!

About a month ago I got the notion that coldhands could be a skin-changer in a dead body, and I really liked to hear other people connecting him with skin-changing too.I don't think it is 100% certain that Jon is in fact dead though. He was stabbed, and he warged ghost, but why would that mean that he is dead? I think his body could die later after he got more experience with his skin-changing abilities.

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

Because he was bleeding out from the jugular after the first wound to his neck. He puts his hand to his wound and the blood “wells up” immediately beneath his fingers. That’s a jugular wound. You don’t feel those because not many nerve endings there, so Jon didn’t think he’d been cut deep. But the blood flow says yes. That’s why he loses feeling so fast and can’t grip his sword. And loses consciousness before the fourth knife, which he didn’t feel. He was gone by then. So yeah he’s dead. 100%.

Was rewatching GoT s1 the scene where Ned has to execute the NW deserter and Put down Lady (leading to bran awakening) got me wondering whether this practise was in place to “feed” the sword ice or present as many opportunities as possible for the starks blood magic to do its thing or get stored up for later. Kinda like the lords right to first night presenting opportunities to father more kids with the gift. Perhaps all the souls the starks have ever executed get stored im the crypts to bring back the old kings of winter like it was implied ladys death brought back bran, at least in the show

Speaking of binding his brothers to his will…. As soon as you said “wierwood magic” I thought “he’s warging them!” Plus if he is sacrificing to the others he could warging nights watchmen and sending them north of the wall then releasing them once they’re in others territory. This could also be the origin of warging people becoming such a taboo.

Really interesting material, but tough to listen to I’m sorry to say, because you were obviously struggling. I think it would be a great idea if you could cover this again when you are feeling better, whether you do it as a live stream or more of a recorded video. Because I think the ideas are well worth the listen.