In future, people will ask, "What were they thinking?", just as we ask about the practice of lobotomy.

I think one of the biggest issues is that "gender affirming care" advocates will not admit that someone becoming comfortable in their body is optimal outcome. Their stance is that someone becoming comfortable in their own body is NOT preferable to them embarking on a lifetime of medication and surgery.

@Flashhood1425

10 ай бұрын

Yes! It’s the only physiological issue I’m aware of that affirmation of a delusional belief is considered “care” … we wouldn’t do this with bipolar or anorexia or schizophrenia, etc.

@serpentines6356

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. Very well stated. I have been on that page since day one, when I first learned about the "affirmation only" garbage years ago. WTF are they doing, thinking that "affirming" someone's hatred, repulsive feelings for their body is good "care"? I felt so heartbroken for all the young people I knew would be "detransitioners", and not get the care they needed. I have pointed these things out to people (on the other side) who just go along with the popular narrative, and I have no idea why they don't get that. Finding out about the monied interests behind "transhumanism" helped me understand part of the puzzle.

@MrAdamo

10 ай бұрын

I’m a naturally fat person. I tend towards being slightly obese but not unhealthily so, just pudgy and ugly. I have to structure my life around not eating more than maintenance calories, and I expend genuine effort each day trying to maintain my weight. In my personal situation, being comfortable in my own body is not the optimal outcome, but instead the optimal outcome is to fight against it. How is the trans situation different? I know to you it sounds a bit silly that my diet is so cumbersome, but I spend so much time and money on it that I feel it can be analogous to medication.

@Gingerblaze

10 ай бұрын

@@MrAdamo if you are naturally a "bit pudgy" as you say and not unhealthy, why is it not "optimal" to become comfortable in your natural body?

@feministescontreletransfascism

10 ай бұрын

@@Gingerblaze agreed. I Guess social presure...😟

Social media is also complicit in suppressing dissenting opinions

@sarahmurphy-nf4yl

10 ай бұрын

KZread censors respectful comments.. on trans gender issues we are being totally controlled

@paullegend6798

10 ай бұрын

Because it's almost exclusively run from California and the people there are so convinced their world view is morally superior that it's their duty to censor the rest us into believing what they believe. Amazing how their don't notice they are ushering in a new age of totalitarianism and are actually the bad guys.

@aidananstey9848

6 ай бұрын

What is worse than SM suppressing anything "gender critical" is the rampant promotion of Trans "influencers" like Dylan Mulvaney and his predator friend Geoffrey Marsh.

The false consensus phenomenon is out of control.

@nywvblue

10 ай бұрын

Indeed and with *many* socially consequential topics.

@feministescontreletransfascism

10 ай бұрын

😥

@feministescontreletransfascism

10 ай бұрын

We will fight anyway ✊🏾

@paullegend6798

10 ай бұрын

Yep. Pretty sure this is because universities were captured over a decade ago and have been brainwashing a significant proportion of their intake for a many years. You now have a radicalised elite in society that will go on to hold top jobs. So media, politicians, professional bodies, company boards, all infected this ideology, without it having any mass support from the general public (who are largely horrified by it). The phenomenon is a very noisy minority, who are backed by a disproportionate amount of power. That is why it's swept everything.

@ThatWriterWriter1

10 ай бұрын

@@nywvblue "False consensus" is an excellent term. I suspect there are many who publicly support all of this but cannot speak out because the risk to job and social community is far too great.

The "Gender - a wider lens" podcast recently documented the obfuscatory tactics employed by the American Pediatric Association (APA). After receiving 85 requests from its members for a thorough investigation of the extent of evidence that supports the gender affirming carw model the Association finally conceded this was warrented. The APA had until recently accepted the assurance of one individual with no clinical training and no peer reviews when adopting Gender Affirming Care models and WPATH's Standards of Care revision 8.

@kashq502

10 ай бұрын

This is so terrifying to me and makes me wonder what else they are willing to blindly inflict on our children

@shannonsayshi

10 ай бұрын

​@@kashq502the one individual who wrote their policy statement was James Rafferty, and I believe he still in his internship. 😬

@paullegend6798

10 ай бұрын

Gender affirming care is over. It's already been rejected/reversed in many countries, including the Scandanavian ones that originally dreamt it up. From a very practical point, no one can afford the mountain of legal cases being brought by detransitioners who received negligent medical advice that wasn't suited to their personal circumstances because little to no work into their personal circumstances was ever undertaken. Or to put it another way, it is completely against all medical science to pre-judge the diagnosis without first investigating the patients condition.

@sarahmurphy-nf4yl

10 ай бұрын

@shannonsayshi9567 sweet lord...ARE they idiots 🙄

As a doctor, this is the best discussion I’ve heard

@queenjasminetemaiharoa7009

8 ай бұрын

If you haven't already...I hope you also watch - Kathleen Stock, Helen Joyce, Debra Soh, James Esses, Abigail Shrier, Peter Boghossian, Stella O'Malley, Sasha Ayad and Luanda Maroja, etc.

One of the most enlightening talks I have heard on this topic. Thank for this interview and thank Leor Sapir for your work and attention to this matter.

Leor’s knowledge is extensive and well researched. It was a pleasure to listen to him!

This was a very good conversation...larger platforms should pick this up more, to impact on bigger audiences...

@yvie0136

10 ай бұрын

It will never be seen on leftist mainstream media sadly

the answer is no, and even if there was evidence, it doesn't matter. there is no excuse i would accept for this kind of behavior. these doctors should be frog marched to the nearest mental hospital in handcuffs and barred from ever practicing again, even for the reason that they are pathologically susceptible to propgaganda and psyops.

@helenromanelli2544

5 ай бұрын

so well said. Let the lawsuits begin...

The INTENT of the care is 'gender affirming' and a social construct - but the actual procedures involved are biological and medical. The two conflate very different approaches?

@patrickdalton2424

10 ай бұрын

Cosmetic and medical yes but not boilogical

@ribbonsofnight

6 ай бұрын

@@patrickdalton2424 In the cases where sterility results is it biological?

@patrickdalton2424

6 ай бұрын

@@ribbonsofnight no

I wish people would start resisting the language they have put in our heads. It's not gender - it's sex, its sex affirming therapy. That would fix it over night.

@talibabdulhaqq7513

10 ай бұрын

A more neutral term would be "sex-changing" or "sex-modifying". "Affirming" is quite ambiguous. Is it "affirming" to change a natural, healthy body to conform to a mental image?

@agnesberes4084

10 ай бұрын

I guess they call it "gender affirming" because they affirm the imagined gender by doing surgeries...

@TheNesbittExperience

10 ай бұрын

But what does it mean when someone says they “feel” like the opposite sex? Being sexed isn’t a feeling, it is a biological reality.

@helenromanelli2544

5 ай бұрын

well, given the propensity of gender ideologues for changing the narrative mid-sentence, I don't think it would fix it overnight. That might clarify the situation for those of us who still struggle with the cognitive dissonance created by the terms 'trans man' and 'trans woman'. As someone wisely said, the confusion is not a bug it is a feature.

@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894

2 ай бұрын

Sex can not be changed it’s biological

“Evidence based” isn’t evidence based, it’s ideology based. Let’s start there.

@nickbarber2080

10 ай бұрын

Theologically-based,even...

@TheMidnightBandit

10 ай бұрын

Exactly bro, F**K religion and it's lies.

@jeffswingdancer8302

11 күн бұрын

Let's start with the fact that minors cannot give informed consent. Regardless of evidence, the medical community is performing abhorrent medical interventions on minors. One of the greatest medical scandals of all time is unfolding before our eyes.

First time seeing this program. Really impressed with the interviewer’s style. Sapir was a coherent and articulate speaker and made some salient points. Appreciated this coherent presentation, but it was entirely depressing to realise how manipulative this trans ideology is … so many young people are going to be caught up in this. Detransitioners are becoming more vocal, despite being targeted by trans activists. Sapir was able to clearly put the argument for questioning the medical approach to this and the subject of detransition MUST be brought to light to help all the people being confronted with the questioning of their gender and receiving the best care NOT based on ideology or political influence.

Gender Affirming Care sounds like Black Lives Matter. There’s a circular logic at play.

One aspect of this discussion on “gender affirming care” and the trans issue more generally, is how advocates for “trans rights” exploit the overweening respect on the part of the general populous for “science”. How often have we heard that gender affirming care is based on settled science when nothing could be further from the truth? We should also acknowledge that what passes for “science” has its own issues. For example, fraud in doing scientific research is more prevalent than most of us realize. For example, the president of Stanford University recently resigned over accusations of having faked evidence in doing scientific research.

Your marquee statement hits the nail on the head: "First of all gender affirming care, if you just think about the words themselves, is a complete misdescription of what is going on here. First of all, it's not gender it's sex. The purpose of these procedures is to modify primary and secondary sex traits not gender." What seems counter to this accurate statement is your continuing references to "gender identity." Shouldn't you be talking about sex identity instead? In opposing legal sex change, instead of the "g" word I try to use unambiguous synonyms such as sex, sex roles, and sex stereotypes. I talk about opposite-sex ideation and opposite-sex-affirming care. Using the "g" word just confuses me as well as the general public. It is only using clear language to the general public that will end this harmful travesty.

@nonpareilstoryteller5920

11 ай бұрын

Confusing people and tying them up in ever increasing “Language” knots is the objective because by shifting the language goal posts, facts and science can, in the ideologues eyes, never win. It’s basically a version of the childs’ schoolyard argument “ NA NAA NE NAA NA”, in other words it’s no argument at all because they have none that will stand up to debate and scrutiny. This is fundamentally a game of power not reason.

@877swissmiss

11 ай бұрын

👏

@gooeyrhubarb1593

11 ай бұрын

The Tower of Babel will fall 🤡🌍

@Nall412

11 ай бұрын

@@nonpareilstoryteller5920yes yes exactly! A game of power not reason. 💯

@HellCatt0770

10 ай бұрын

Overall I agree, but ‘affirming’ and ‘care’ should both go in the bin too! We really need to unpick and reclaim our language!

In the UK, the Tavistock GIDS is due to close after a report found that it wasn't caring for children. There were several areas of criticism, but one of them concerned gender-affirmation, and pointed out that if you're affirming gender, then you're not diagnosing, you're assuming a diagnosis. That's antithetical to normal medical practice, and due care and diligence was not being undertaken. This has resulted in kids who were autistic, gay, or merely going through a period of confusion being sent down a medical route which in quite a few of them resulted in permanent and unnecessary changes.

@andrewcole4843

10 ай бұрын

But most institutions captured by the brainwashed.

No feminist of the 60s and 70s would support gender/sex transitioning care. What would be the purpose or benefit be of hormonally and surgically changing women into men basically sterilizing them and assuring that they wouldn’t even be able to orgasm? Stop blaming it on the original feminists.

@Imputis

10 ай бұрын

The feminists were direct offshoots of critical theory from the Frankfurt school. Modern gender theory uses this. Yes, feminisim is directly responsible for this as it sought to tear down sex norms. This is the conclusion of that self destructive and reality denying ideology.

Leor is wonderful. I don’t know why it’s taken me four months to discover this video. I follow him closely on Twitter; he’s one of the best speakers on this issue

This was such an excellent discussion, really helps reveal & clarify the complex, interconnected systems and operatives at play

Could detransitioners sue for damages based on misrepresentation of material information if they conflate social constructs and bio-medical procedures in their 'marketing' of care?

@Flashhood1425

10 ай бұрын

Happening in the UK I believe

@systemfailure1129

10 ай бұрын

@@Flashhood1425 There have been a few cases in the US also.

@poonamsvideoblogs

10 ай бұрын

There are a growing number of detransitioners doing just that.

@jokatal

10 ай бұрын

Only about 1% of trans people detransition. That's probably better than the amount of guys who get hair transplants or women get implants for their "gender-affirming care."

@savethetomboys815

10 ай бұрын

Keira Bell

There are 3 extremely wealthy men, two of who are transvestites with AGP and one computer geek who adores AI who are not just pushing this into schools for the "sex identity" with the Genderbread man stuff but to get people used to disassociating their minds from their bodies so they will happily adapt to merging with machines, essentially. Jennifer Bilek has done a lot of investigation and written about this weird facet of this whole transition thing.

Fantastic conversation, indepth and enlightening.

really have difficulty to understand how this young children think about sex, how do they know,, who is teaching them because I didn't think about gender or sex much older

@dorasneddon774

10 ай бұрын

They are being led to by ideologically motivated teachers. It is a grooming process in the classroom. Otherwise, as you say, a young child doesn't think about these things (unless abused and sexualised early by adults). Like you, it was never a 'thing' in my young childhood.

Excellent conversation really appreciate the opening framing that a lack of happiness is a mental health issue. Despite the depth and enlightening perspective this really feels like an echo chamber given we acknowledge there is a problem. Everything was clear, concise and coherent but what is the actual action plan to prevent doctors from harvesting the body parts of minors or to hold teachers accountable for grooming children and of course to hold the executives of health related associations criminally accountable.

@dorasneddon774

10 ай бұрын

Psychiatrist Miriam Grossman's work and her two books give some very good tools for action by parents to 'immunise' their children from gender ideology and in dealing with schools promoting gender ideology. She has done several interviews recently. Triggermometry on You Tube was one of the most recent.

Gender-denying medical interventions that cause irreversible harm will lead to a tsunami of medical malpractice litigation. There will be a whole generation of damaged people who transitioned in their youth and will later suffer terrible regret over their loss of fertility and bodily mutilation. We will owe them sustained medical care and mental health support. This will be a tragedy like thalidomide.

It's a terrible situation when your child becomes prey to the laws (on both sides) of ideologues.

@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559

10 ай бұрын

Especially when those laws are not grounded in fact, in evidence, reality.

@Imputis

10 ай бұрын

Let's not do this. There is no splitting the baby here. There is pro child abuse and anti child abuse. Too many folks wanting to claim a middle ground. Take a stand against evil, don't waffle.

@blumenkraft2275

10 ай бұрын

Yes. This has become way too politicized. The left sees this as an extension of gay rights and refuses to question, and the right is using it as a wedge issue. There are no adults in the room, so it’s no small wonder that kids think that changing sex is as simple as taking a pill.

please consider advocating for the children of men who suddenly call themselves "mother" of their children. Rates of depression very high. YT ch: Trans Widow Ute Heggen

@HellCatt0770

10 ай бұрын

The hidden trauma of families of these highly celebrated cross dressers/AGPs deserves so much more attention!

None of these dynamics would matter if the ideology that motivates these bureaucrats wasn’t so damn totalitarian.

Distinction without a difference " Biological sex is the most distinctive differences in mammals, including humans.

Excellent discussion. Thank you.

Your guest encapsulates the steady march of the civil rights state to maintain its survival by expanding the definition of civil rights. Brilliant discussion. That squeeze he describes of how the inside/outside and revolving door work to move the agenda along stealthily reminds me of this from Lenin on how to subvert a democracy to authoritarianism (fascism, socialism, communism) 1. Divide the population 2. Create the appearance of public support 3. Demonize the opposition with epithets 4. Cue mob violence as needed My add: Repeat until all institutions are co-opted. The administrative state has been bringing in idealogues and activists for years and it was ramped up, whether by plan or accident, under the Obama administration. Trans in kids is a social contagion -- why is that so hard to believe when they accept the social contagion of teen suicide? After listening to dozens of hours of young girls who (like every girl I knew at puberty six decades ago) were feeling uncomfortable in their changing bodies but had a new place to seek advice: tumblr That is a magical place that has experienced predators waiting to manipulate these girls into believing the answer to ALL their problems is changing gender. "for the rest of my life" has no meaning for a hormonal teenatherger. To them, that is the time between now and the prom. They cannot possibly give fully informed consent NOR can their parents. We passed a law in some states to make rape a crime with no limit for punishment during "me too". Trans surgery should have no statute of limitations either. We have to stand on the side of kids, not the activists. Their job is to increase the number of trans kids to mute the "tyranny of the minority". I note that most trans activists are really OOBOs (Offended on Behalf Of) -- not trans but passionate about this issue for some inexplicable reason. In the last couple years there has been an epidemic of trans kids in Hollywood -- maybe there is something in the water? It is a way for a fatigued mother to get sympathy. Before social media which allows moms to gets likes off videos of their kids, they got attention in negative ways. Moms/docs/pharma hopped on an ever-evolving new alphabet diagnosis of invisible disease we always thought was kids being kids and the behaviors got worse: ADD, ADHD, autistic is now "the spectrum", anorexia, bulimia, cutting and other self harm. Kid is a mess, mom is drowning in compassion from others --- some of whom envy her. Whatever this is, it is NOT organic. Africa is not undergoing an epidemic of people spontaneously and simultaneously thinking: sex is a social construct. It is the western democracies mostly -- and some Muslim countries who do these surgeries so gay men won't get killed as infidels.

Fantastic, comprehensive discussion! Thank you. As a mental health professional working in a blue state University Hospital, it is so disheartening to find all the young woke professionals not even knowing that an alternative (exploratory therapy) even exists. Hospital administrators and GAC providers repeatedly mandate education (indoctrination) that there is consensus that Gender Affirming Care is the only morally acceptable care. When I disagree - simply stating that their isnt a concensus - Im reprimanded for being "unprofessional "and not a "role model".

This was really good in understanding the prof organizations and legal situation.

Great conversation!

This was great 👍

Very good analysis.

I also thought that MeToo movement morphed into the gender movement. Also, adults are also vulnerable to rapid onset gender dysphoria. I’ve seen it happen in a fandom and I even talk about my experiences in videos I made.

What was amazing about this talk his that I couldn’t guess what political affiliation any of these individuals hold. The best kinds of talks are the ones we’re this is obscured.

The word "care" should be replaced with "abuse".

Very enlightening. Thank you

For a layman’s digestible and extensive review of this topic refer to journalist Jesse Singal’s articles and commentary on this subject.

Really interesting. Leor speaks very well

Great conversation

Concerning the past he sadly conflated the young boys presenting highly feminine (of which a fraction hadn't grown out of it and transitioned at some point in their live) with AGPs. Those normally first begin to crossdress during puperty for sexual arousal and are heterosexual. The first group are those who'll grow up to be gay. Totally different motivation/presentation of gender disphoria.

@ac27934

10 ай бұрын

Yep, the two broad sub-categories are AGP and HSTS.

@maryelizamoore7870

10 ай бұрын

We do not grow up to be gay. We are trans and always have been. HSTS trans people are related to Gay and Lesbian people but we aren't the same thing. Being HSTS is a much more extreme form of Homosexuality. People who are HSTS usually identify as the opposite sex from early childhood and feel uncomfortable when people address us as our birth sex even when we are little. Most gay or lesbian children do not share this experience. Gender Affirming Care is life saving for our group. I've known so many people who have died or are in the hospital because they didn't have access to Gender Affirming Care before Puberty took over. I do however appreciate that you are able to distinguish us from AGPs. Many people on both the left and the right fail to make any distinction between AGPs and HSTS trans people.

@trailertrish2587

10 ай бұрын

The failure to make the distinction is part of the manipulation. It's deliberate. People with gender dysphoria are exploited by activists and used as the front people for the trans community because almost everyone feels compassion for those with gender dysphoria. But the reality is that anyone by mere self identification is entitled to protection of the T umbrella. It's an issue of contention and major source of backlash. The hostility to any dissenting opinions by trans activists is being driven by the AGPs who get to do whatever they want anywhere they want. They're not going to allow that genie to be stuffed back into the bottle. The suicide rate among people with gender dysphoria is significantly higher than the general population whether they transition or not. That data comes from one of the few reputable, long term studies on the subject

@maryelizamoore7870

10 ай бұрын

@@trailertrish2587 That's very true. It's really sad. It's also the reason why it hurts so much when they pass these anti-trans laws. These laws do not hurt AGPs. But they hurt HSTS trans people very much.

@Gingerblaze

10 ай бұрын

These are two subsets of people who experience cross sex ideation but they are not mutually exclusive of one another. One can fall under both types. Globally AGP makes up the majority of trans identifying males who are heterosexuals. There are also the lesser number of heterosexual female trans with AAP who view themselves as "gay men" HSTS is most prevalent in geographic areas whose cultures or family environments are not accepting of homosexuality.

Amazing interview and 1,000% accurate.

The amount of sexual retransitioners are scary. I agree with the speaker, words are important. Retransition should be the word. I believe the US should also use the prefix paed which means child rather than Ped which refers to feet. Like pedestrian or pedicure. Oestrogen pronounced like Easter. Words of the same origin.

@janelliot5643

10 ай бұрын

Very helpful. Thanks.

Excellent

Normal kids don't need gender affirmation

There is no such thing as "gender identity".

But sex can't be changed though

Brilliant

great video

The trans movement is about the opposite of individualism. On the contrary, trans ideology is being used as a 'signifier' that one belongs to and ascribes to the ideology of the radical Left. Abortion used to be the 'signifier', but now that this has been relegated to the states, trans-ideology is being used in its stead.

@Gingerblaze

10 ай бұрын

It does appear to be far more about conforming than about respecting individual rights.

Two thoughts. Firstly, he's bang on the money about the nonsense label "gender affirming care". Why would changing your appearance - the expression of your sex - affirm your inner sense of "gender"? Would that not come full circle and force the activists to admit that it's not an identity problem but a bodily one, and that gender and sex are basically the same? Secondly, to me, change is too easy nowadays. Don't like your body? Get surgery. Don't like your job? Quit and become a freeloader on government benefits. Don't like the people around you? Make friends online. Don't like your gender? Undergo irreversible procedures and become sterile. It's snake oil. It's a symptom of deeper psychological issues.

I would not provide hormone or puberty blockers to children in respect to gender ideology. Young minds are vulnerabke to ideological capture and such interventions are not reversable and can cause life long implications for the child growing up into adukthood.

Why yes. Yes it is.

Here in MN a law just passed that assisting anyone who wants to detransistion is illegal. The Gov knows best. Worship the Gov.

Transsexuals are real and valid and historically mostly MTF, however their validity is severely watered down by the complexity of gender ideology that has distorted the meaning, renamed to Transgender to allow a wider umbrella that goes against the binary male/female which transsexuals embrace, and strictly follow. Unfortunately transgender ideology undermines the sex binary by creating multiple genders and so transsexuals end up suffering. Gender ideology is about expression, not sex. Transsexuals pursue full SRS (sexual reassignment surgery) with the goal to seamlessly blending into society to live healthy fulfilling lives as normal as one can live. Transsexuals are valid and should be protected and viewed separately from transgender ideology. Transsexuals need sex reassignment surgeries, transsexuals need government identification’s updated to align with their sex reassignment. Don’t let gender ideology destroy the protections transsexuals require. Science supports transsexuals, not gender ideology.

It's 'NEW-SPEAK', meaning "gender affirming care" == gender denying procedure.

Any proponents of transgender ideology should learn about Dr John Money’s “research” and listen to Dr Miriam Grossman and read her books

@danielcarlsen9228

10 ай бұрын

You mean the doctor that was against the concept fixed gender identity (which is the leading theory today) and thought anyone could be conditioned/diciplined/influenced to be content with any sexed body type?

@Imputis

10 ай бұрын

Also Alfred kinsey. All the sexologists have a common thread, they are all sexual deviants seeking to legitimize their kinks.

@soopersooper3291

10 ай бұрын

​@@danielcarlsen9228there is no "theory of gender"

@danielcarlsen9228

10 ай бұрын

@@soopersooper3291 How do you mean? If people theorise that there are structures in brain that makes you more confortable with a certain body parts, the theory exists.

@soopersooper3291

10 ай бұрын

@@danielcarlsen9228 normally I wouldn't quibble with this use of the word "theory", but since we ARE using it in the scientific sense, we should use the scientific definition. That is more like a hypothesis.

What I don't see acknowledged, because it is usually men leading this discussion, is the biggest reason why so many young girls see themselves as male: at puberty girls suddenly realize their lives are at risk by being female. Imagine being a young woman in this culture - as soon as you begin to grow breasts you are sexualized, as soon as your period starts you can become pregnant and, depending where you live, cannot have an abortion. If have been smart in school, society quickly teaches you that you must dumb down your intelligence. Boys rate you as a sexual object on social media, other girls - themselves competing for sexual superiority - bully and ostracize you, adults start asking you who you are dating, when you are going to get married and how many children you want to have. You have to be worried about someone putting something in your drink, cars that drive by you slowly on your way home from school and, of course, the ubiquitous white van. Jesus, who wouldn't want to suddenly decide that being male is an easier way to enter adulthood?

Truly terrifying....

Short answer: No.

Denmark has now switched too.

It's happiness as therapeutic ✨️ What metrics... happiness needs sadness 😔 manipulation?

30:40 to 32:10 - Example of medical organization leading to bad outcomes due to conflict of interest

I refuse to believe that so much common sense originates from Manhattan.

25:25 how the incoherent mishmash of different ideas became policy

Only ONE way to escape the flames……Jesus Christ.

No.

6:45 definition

Not sure if this is because of editing but the host often cuts off the guest. This feels aggressive, as if the two parties are combatants but they are clearly not. Such quality content that suffers from poor editing. Do better, you have gold content here…let it shine through respectful transitions. The host should consider responding to what the guest says instead of moving onto his next point/question as if we are short on time as if this is a network broadcast. Dude, this is KZread…we are here for the full conversation, all of it.

Minority Stress Theory. Hmmmmm

*Snort* The best way to deal with bullying or harassment is to fight back. Teach your kids bodybuilding and karate, and how to come up with snappy comebacks to insults.

A male can have secondary sex characteristics of a woman eg femininity

Two comments after listening for about ten minutes: 1 Trans has now gone beyond "changing sex" and is for some all about gender, so that a bearded man who is genitally intact can claim to be a woman. 2 I don't think this would have happened if we had spent more time with our children. My children, for different reasons, have spent an inordinate amount of time with me, which, aside from having made them fairly tired of my tirades about modern madness, has also made them fairly immune to the more crazy ideas of modern culture. To spot the stupidities and incongruities, you just need to have the perspective of someone who has lived a bit longer than the kids who are most exposed to the magical thinking of wokeism.

Sex-denying practices.

No

Destiny's brother is much more articulate.

Is adopting an Emperor’s New Clothes mentality under the guise of gender affirming care, the best way to treat natural pubescent confusion, which most will grow out of or even gender dysmorphia for that matter? Personally, I think not. We are not ‘assigned’ our sex at birth like some kind of Harry Potter sorting hat. We are born either male or female, with the very rare exception of a tiny minority of people who are born with underdeveloped, mixed sex organs and absolutely everyone knows that. Well meaning and apparently intelligent people, not wishing to appear bigoted, transphobic or unsupportive have adopted the lie that men can become women and women can become men. We all know that this isn’t true and no amount of hormones or surgery with magically turn someone into the opposite sex. At best, all it will achieve is an illusion of what the individual wants us to believe but just like the Emperor’s costly new robes, it’s a lie nonetheless but once adopted by so called ‘intelligent people’, it’s incredibly hard for them to back down. Maybe the people who make the decisions and rules about trans affirming care and the inclusion of ‘men’, which is exactly what they are, into women’s spaces, should ask the opinions of small children because they are generally not blighted by the idiocy of adults and their propensity to lie!

Very interesting ! Thanks

How did the American dream go from the Persuit of Happiness, to the pursuit of a P@nis

@TheNesbittExperience

10 ай бұрын

Patriarchy. If you can’t beat ‘em, join em.

I just did a quick google search to find out more info on Leor Sapir. You do not have anything on him in the video notes you there should be a short bio on Leor Sapir except that he is a fellow of the Manhattan Institute. I scrolled through 3 pages and there was only links to his X Twitter account. There is No Wikipedia page bio on him there are no references to his past education whether he has a degree or not, nothing. I'm sure he has a degree but in what & who is he?

@Poecilia1963

10 ай бұрын

His Manhattan Institute bio lists his academic credentials & history.

@user-xb2zk5is3w

10 ай бұрын

Thank you, I did finally find that site. However, it should be in the notes below the video and it should be the first thing that comes up when you search his name, instead of just twitter links.@@Poecilia1963

@killhomophobes11

8 ай бұрын

@@Poecilia1963 he has zero medical or scientific expertise. He has a phd in political science from Boston College. But i see no credible scientific background

@Poecilia1963

8 ай бұрын

@@killhomophobes11 Well then, best to double check what he says. Ya never know.

NO, no it's not

it is evidence based as evolution is

4:08 I'm sorry but this is where I draw the line. Universities are becoming more and more left leaning because objective reality is left leaning. The 'less tolerance for diverging viewpoints' is a very silly interpretation. I invite anyone to find a genuine example of this 'intolerance for diverging viewpoints' that isn't in reality a correct reaction to the right's desperation to keep society unfair.

@balalaika852

10 ай бұрын

What is your definition of unfair? Some many people have lost jobs because they don't agree with the gender ideology doctrine. For example, Kathleen Stock and Colin Wright. Or have been harassed and bullied for years for holding gender critical views (formerly know as being a feminist), for example, Rosario Sanchez. There's nothing fair in denying objective reality of sex, in dismantling single-sex spaces, and transitioning gender non-conforming children.

@randylahey2607

10 ай бұрын

My definition of unfair is "not based on or behaving according to the principles of equality and justice." ie it is unfair to discriminate against people for knowing that they were born into the wrong gender and wish for political and civil society to treat them with fairness and dignity under the law. @@balalaika852

@coachduke9323

9 ай бұрын

Intolerance of the right . That’s a quote from a giant in the progressive movement. It’s played out on college campuses across America.

It's not mere "dissatisfaction". I just didn't want any further male progression and I stopped it with protein and calorie restriction and later maintained with estrogen, blockers, and orchiectomy. I didn't hate myself and I don't mourn the man I didn't become. I still identify as a male and am happy with myself and found gainful employment. Gender affirming care has helped me and has improved both my mental and physical health including reducing blood pressure and cholesterol. No harm here and I've been on HRT for 12 years. Intolerant views will never be tolerated. That's part of the definition of tolerance.

@miloseveggies8064

10 ай бұрын

Fascinating. HRT means you've been on testosterone for the last 12 years?

@ttthttpd

10 ай бұрын

No, intolerance against intolerance is not part of the definition of tolerance. That is "repressive tolerance." This is just one of the proposed solutions for the still open philosophical question "the paradox of tolerance." A solution that happens to be popular with, and originate from, certain strains of socialist thought (Herbert Marcuse or Gramsci if I recall correctly) Alternate proposed solutions try to delineate particular ideas that shouldn't be tolerated (namely illiberal and antisocial beliefs). Others take the paradox as proof for their rejection of tolerance to begin with (as tolerance is just a value that is respected in some philosophical systems)

@DorianPaige00

10 ай бұрын

@@ttthttpd So then by your logic we should allow debate whether the Holocaust or Covid or the Sandy Hook shooting even happened. There's consequences for stating views that are intolerant like your employer might fire as a counter to your rant even if it's "off the clock" as Mr. Jordan Peterson is finding out. Whenever you enter an institution, you lose some of your unfettered rights. Most employers are tolerant of their employees but if there may be a strong backlash where the phones won't stop ringing in response to someone's homophobic slur. Employer then have every right to either stand with you or dismiss you. Institutions like youtube, colleges, and house floors should not be tolerant of bigotry and they often make assessments as to whether certain speeches should be covered in some fashion.

@DorianPaige00

10 ай бұрын

@@miloseveggies8064 No, I take estrogen; it keeps my youthful, male appearance. Male skin, complexion, and musculature change once they've been exposed to high levels of testosterone like in their late teens-early 20's. I didn't want that so I maintained with estrogen which contrary to popular belief doesn't cause much breast growth in men.

@slaapliedje

10 ай бұрын

​@@DorianPaige00no, but it does make it so your bone density and muscle mass is not equivalent of a man who lets testosterone do what it is supposed to, no?

Why is it always that these conversations are undertaken by anti trans folks without including actual trans people? If you wanna learn from them, include them.

@poonamsvideoblogs

10 ай бұрын

You did not understand what this conversation is about.

@SkepticRaider

10 ай бұрын

I don't think that these are anti-trans folks. But I get your point.

@Gingerblaze

10 ай бұрын

There are some great convos with trans identifying people on the genspect page. Also you may enjoy a conversation between Kathleen Stock and Deirdre Mc Closky (a trans person) as well as the Jubilee channel to hear from both trans individuals and detransitioners which gives multiple perspectives.

@Gingerblaze

10 ай бұрын

If only more would agree to be part of these conversations.

15 seconds into this video and he is already saying something that is wrong... God damn it.

@sandarahcatmom9897

10 ай бұрын

Namely?

@_Botao_

10 ай бұрын

@sandarahcatmom9897 Secondary sex characterists are informed by sex but are 100% related to gender. Changing them is not only vital, but for transwoman particularly, it is the most painful part of that process. I turned of the video after those 20 seconds btw he lost all credibility to me.

The situation in Europe is not so well, although it is worse in the USA or course

No it actually ignores long term evidence

why is he pulling weird faces ?

No.

@hagathacrusty8995

11 ай бұрын

?

@EvanWells1

11 ай бұрын

?

@Nall412

11 ай бұрын

Cope

@Engrave.Danger

11 ай бұрын

​@@hagathacrusty8995I believe he's answering the question that was in the video's main image. "Is gender affirming care evidence based?"

No