Just pinning responses and clarifications to technical questions here because the comment got a bit buried. It's in the thread with @SwuuschifyMe below and we encourage you to read the full and thought-provoking discussion if you're interested! For what it's worth, we shared this video with the folks at Argonne before releasing it to check for accuracy, and they had no edits or corrections. 3:15 Lithium scarcity is more complex than just how common the element is within the earth’s crust - it’s also a question of how easy, affordable, and sustainable it is to obtain that element. Beyond the pure practicalities of getting our hands on more lithium atoms, there are also the regulatory and geopolitical implications, as well as the complexities of refining lithium. All of these factors contribute to lithium's scarcity relative to the demand for it. We’re not the only ones who feel this way, and many people predict we could see shortages in the next few years: www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/07/electric-vehicles-world-enough-lithium-resources To be clear, we don’t think lithium will go away as a key component of some batteries, but many researchers (some in this video!) are very keen to explore alternatives that are more affordable and sustainable to obtain and would offer additional benefits. In the future we think there will likely be a lot of different battery chemistries, including many that rely on lithium. 3:25 There is a difference between an electrolyte and the ions dissolved within it, but we felt that it might be splitting hairs to disambiguate between them in this video - especially since many electrolytes (like lithium hexafluorophosphate) do contain lithium. This is the same approach many folks seem to take when describing lithium’s role within a battery, including experts we consulted with, for the sake of simplicity. In retrospect we can see how the wording could be better! 3:55 On the various weights of zinc and magnesium relative to lithium: we’re referring to the energy density in terms of volume. We also understand that some of these chemistries would be heavier and therefore less suitable for certain applications, that’s also something that Dr. Venkat Srinivasan addresses in the video when he talks about the different constraints that various batteries will need to work within for different applications. The size, safety, and charging requirements will be very different for a grid battery, as compared to something like a battery for a mobile device or vehicle. 4:30 There are other synchrotron facilities, we don’t mean to imply that there aren’t. Argonne is a unique place that brings together a lot of specialists in the field of next generation battery technology, and provides them with on-site access to a powerful resource like the Advanced Photon Source on site, which we feel makes it one of a kind. 5:50 Also - we weren’t actually worried that the lithium would explode because of a humid environment. But lithium does have a reputation for reacting to water in pretty stunning ways (kzread.info/dash/bejne/iKylx8GTf9rZeNY.html) and our voiceover often takes a playful approach to these sorts of things!

@BeautifulPeopleBTFLPPL

Жыл бұрын

The Next Generation of Batteries Graphene technology is not the future, it has already hit the market kzread.info/dash/bejne/jJ5tuainqajffNo.html ..

I am a battery researcher just like our guests here, in fact I sometimes come to Argonne for similar experiments... there's problems here 3:15 Lithium scarcity is BS. It's one of the most common elements in the crust and if you had looked, you would have found that it is not a problem. What's the material scarcity of today's batteries? Well it's Cobalt, mostly. 3:25 Lithium is not the electrolyte...the electrolyte facilitates the transport of Lithium ions. A pretty fundamental thing to mix up 3:55 2-3 times of what? There is a place for Zinc and Mg batteries but they also have fundamental downsides, for example Zn batteries are heavy af (10 times heavier than Lithium) and therefore mostly useful if space is an issue, for example it would be a good grid storage option if aqeuous (water based) Zn batteries would work out. 4:30 Argonne is definitely not the only place where they do this. It's called a synchrotron facility, and there's five big ones in the US alone where they all do this. And there's dozens all over the world. 5:50 Lithium doesn't explode. It doesn't even catch fire if you throw it in water. It's the least reactive Alkali metal. They have a dry room because oxidized Lithium is useless in a battery, and Lithium reacts much faster with water than with just oxygen. Appreciate the skillful narration but there's a lot of fundamentally wrong statements in here, too. Did the scientists that appear here get to see this video before release?

@marshmellominiapple

Жыл бұрын

thank you, i was getting sort of miffed when these statements popped up

@tobiasrappo

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the Info!

@garr_inc

Жыл бұрын

I once again grow more and more glad that I take things from these videos with a grain of salt. General idea is usually right, but details are better known by specialists in the field

@zoc2

Жыл бұрын

This comment should be pinned.

@DavidMcCalister

Жыл бұрын

Even the comment about oil being replaced by lithium... you don't burn lithium and you only have so much per car... ever... then you recycle it.. A few hundred lbs for a million miles is a lot better than 100lbs of fuel for 350 miles..... not a fair comparison. We are comparing hundreds of thousands of kms to a few thousand in terms of weight of material used.

LMAO @ the Sega Game Gear comment... "Mom, I need more batteries - I want to play for another 6 minutes."

@nicholasjaworski9368

Жыл бұрын

I know right. I miss my game gear

@BeautifulPeopleBTFLPPL

Жыл бұрын

The Next Generation of Batteries Graphene technology is not the future, it has already hit the market kzread.info/dash/bejne/jJ5tuainqajffNo.html

@specialopsdave

Жыл бұрын

DC adapter was always clutch

@JadeMythriil

Жыл бұрын

I always take the batteries off remotes when I need them.

@RedNocturne

Жыл бұрын

Brought back memories of always playing near the outlet haha

The slow progress towards “the perfect battery” is the ultimate proof that we have not been visited by aliens; and in particular, that said aliens have not “given us their advanced technology.” Because if they did we would long ago have had fantastic batteries. All praise to the consistent dedication and hard work by generations of scientists and engineers.

@lillyshield1915

Жыл бұрын

How can you be so sure that the development hasn't reached that stage yet? Many secret kept secret for years and will be released when they think the society is ready for it

@danohanlon8316

Жыл бұрын

@@lillyshield1915 >Well, for two things: commercial airlines and shipping companies. Corporations don’t get much bigger than those -which would be pushing the hardest for electric propulsion. Opposite all of that is common paranoia.

@leriku2270

Жыл бұрын

The idea that aliens visited us and gave us all the technology we have is utterly stupid.

@MetalGearMk3

9 ай бұрын

Aliens are smart, why would they use primitive battery when they can pull infinite energy from the ether?

@Jerry-gt7kx

9 ай бұрын

Not necessarily true, since when do aliens have an obligation to provide you with a perfect battery?😂

The fact that we’ve been using single-use disposable batteries for our devices is insane. Most small-scale batteries are now available as rechargeable USB-C/Micro-USB. This is an immense money-saver, let alone waste-reducer.

@ShadowriverUB

7 ай бұрын

Well theres a lot of devices that least long with single use batteres making those devices cheaper

Are you sure lithium ion batteries use lithium as an electrolyte? I always thought it was either the anode or cathode. 3:25

@garr_inc

Жыл бұрын

It is. They made a mistake.

@stefanweilhartner4415

Жыл бұрын

the electrolyte is the transporter of the lithium

Round of applause to the person who made this video. So many meme references. On point. This video is informative as well as entertaining. World need more of these.

People 100 years ago - we will have flying cars, everybody will be happy, there will be no wars, nobody will work, we will have robots. People now: we will have better batteries.

the memes the animation, the research, just finished the video, keep up the good work. It looks like you will need to add more info in future videos, so it doesnt driple into the comments.

Comparing batteries to oil is like saying that batteries magically come fully charged. You still have to charge the batteries. Oil stores energy stored from long ago.

I'm excited about the future of Aluminum Air batteries... Imagine the 100% recyclable battery!

@SkepticalCaveman

Жыл бұрын

For airplanes they would be the perfect fit. The crux is to solve the battery swapping problem, many small battery modules would solve it.

@MrJishnu

Жыл бұрын

good old lead acid is 100% recyclable, well maybe 95% but close.

@ogaimon3380

Жыл бұрын

nothing is 100% just delusion

@MrJishnu

Жыл бұрын

@@ogaimon3380 Wrong. My wife can spend 100% of my hard earned money in a matter of minutes.

@dadahan-qf5mg

Жыл бұрын

Li is 100% recyclable

I love the subtle humour between the narrator and the information. It’s all so nicely woven. Such a great video style.

Waiting for the Thunderfoot video to come.. magic words: batteries, 2-3 times the energy density

Ah yes lemme just plug in my new electric car to the fossil fuel powered power grid, very efficient, am saving the planet

You had me dying at Bat communicator.

No more burning something for energy? There goes the Fireplace Channel.

This is great! The way out of our current situation is not all these cut backs and taxes but INNOVATION... because these innovations can be picked up by countries that are still developing and have huge populations e.g., China and India and Brazil... who are not imposing taxes and cut-backs...

@fynkozari9271

Жыл бұрын

India has 1.4 billion people now, caught up to China. World reached 8 billion population in 15 November 2022.

@hariseldon3786

Жыл бұрын

@@fynkozari9271 Its all downhill from here... maximum childbirth occurred in the year 2000... we are better at not dying than we are at making new humans...

God finally a science/economics/finance channel that tells jokes that are actually funny.

'Either way I'm sure it'll be fun' lol

Whomever did this edit, just wow! not only was it entertaining because of the content … the jokes are on point, keep it going 🙌🏻

I laughed a little more than I would in a Freethink video Great content

The sad part is education at primarily level always tells that it's difficult and costly to store electricity and the guy who challenges this difficult is the real hero ...

I have patented a closed-loop system using electrolysis and either fuel cells or an engine I have patented called the Ringine to store energy in high-pressure hydrogen and oxygen gases, and then recover the energy by passing it back through either the fuel cell(s) or the Ringine (the Ringine appears to actually be MORE efficient than the fuel cells). We are preparing to detail engineer the Hydrox version of the Ringine to demonstrate the technology. This is a TOTALLY closed-loop system that can be very small or VERY LARGE and store enormous amounts of energy in extreme density due to the application of electrolysis to 'split' millipore-pure water. We can store about 2Mw-hours in about 150 gallons of water. We are talking about industrial-level power storage to allow power from green sources to be stored in huge amounts so that our world can be power at night by solar energy. We have also developed a system that utilizes solar thermal energy to desalinate or purify seawater or brown water and purify it AND produce electricity as a BY-PRODUCT by utilizing the Ringine. We are currently preparing to build a tech demo of that system because we feel water is ever-more critical and since we can produce BOTH power and purify brown or seawater simultaneously, we should pursue that avenue first, then this: We have also developed a solar-thermal power production system using a closed-loop highly distributable steady-state cycle that produces electricity at 35% to 45% overall system efficiency; we truly believe this, all put together, is the 'way forward'. And this is just the tip of an iceberg I'd love to tell you about. @Freethink, you need to be aware of this. I would be glad to present it to you. Let me know if you are interested. This is vetted by several professional engineering firms and MS&T, and their ME Department and it's Head has lead in Federal funding submittals we are still waiting on, and they will vouch for this.

1:31 Why is the valve opening, when the engine is doing the power stroke lmao.

I really hope that there are research about materials for fire resistant batteries to alleviate accidents caused by battery explosion. Apparently, it is hard to stop the fire produced from battery.

@TheStressD

Жыл бұрын

Apparently if a car battery blows up its supposed to be submerged in water for a couple of days or something like that.

@cjadventures8840

Жыл бұрын

I mean, it’s not like i.c.e cars don’t catch on fire

very well narrated and created. thanks

I worked in a battery factory around 20 years ago, it was a joint venture with British, USA military and Mitsubishi - The batteries that was made was for space and military agencies as well as private health care - The batteries they made could last almost 2 years nonstop unlike a Duracell battery that at full energy output would only last 2 days. So why are they not selling these batteries to the public because it makes no money,

Wave power generation is still relatively speaking a tiny part of the renewable energy pie, but it is growing.

What voltage would such a solid state battery have? Li-Ion currently have 4,2 V to 3,3 V or sth.

I'd love to see something about scaling production of batteries. There has seemingly been a revolutionary "proven" battery technology every week for 20 years but yet few improvements hit the market. Scaling any invention is always the hard part.

Just to confirm i subscribed to the channel, because I like the content very much.

This is very good editing and scripting. It was simultaneously informative, yet entertaining which is not always easy to do.

Great ballance of information and humor. Love it.

The mistake is to think of only one battery solution!? The future is many battery solutions depending on their usage. Small batteries for the consumer vs huge Vanadium redox batteries for businesses which are proven to be very efficient!

United States is one of the few countries that gives it's adversaries (the Chinese) the equipment and resources they need at it's National Labs to build the future technologies, then this happens (search it): *US-funded breakthrough battery tech just simply handed over to China* - By a Chinese scientist. or *Former Los Alamos nuclear scientists aid China’s advanced weapons* - More than 160 Chinese scientists.

@morganstanley6356

Жыл бұрын

Well China started its first solid state battery line back in 2018. I am pretty sure we would have more advancements if everything didn't have to be political. China produces the most energy from renewable sources in the world.

I had to re-wind to watch that sega game gear reference, just to make sure I heard that right.

What's the music in the opening? Is that just for the show, or can I listen to it somewhere?

7:25 “So… picture a scenario, where we had ubiquitous energy storage. Between Solar, Wind *a n d* nuclear, we could generate all the electricity we’d ever need without burning fossil fuels” As someone who lives in Germany, where even imagining a grid where nuclear energy plays a role is unthinkable (We’re at the point where you’re smeared as right-wing if you advocate for nuclear energy) and where the renewables-only strategy is becoming the only strategy that’s allowed to be thought to the point of *degrowth* becoming a widely accepted future, it feels so refreshing to hear, that other countries aren’t laboring under the same delusions and are looking for a way to seriously decouple economic progress from emissions!

@antares946

Жыл бұрын

especially now where they have to import gas from russia, couldve just built a few nuclear reactors, but theres still some lingering fear from the chernobyl disaster in 1986, although technology has increased exponentially since then and there should have been better failsafes developed. But i guess it is what it is, germany is a very densely populated country so idk where they'd put the nuclear reactor without causing massive uproar, plus it might somehow poison water supplies or something idk

@propergander8509

Жыл бұрын

@@antares946 Radiation leaks into water are unheard of, as cooling loops that lead back into rivers are thrice removed from the core itself through heat exchangers. And even if, for instance in permanent storage, the nuclear waste casks were to leak, even in the most pessimistic studies, the increase in annual radiation dose is a mere 10 microsievert. Just for context: People’s annual radiation exposure sits between 1000 and 9000 microsievert with a median of around 2000 microsievert. A return flight between Frankfurt and New York adds 100 microsievert. There’s so much fearmongering and disinformation out there… I wish we could finally have a serious conversation about the issue without ideology.

Just put radioactive elements inside a man made diamond.

How many videos of the New Battery Savior must I watch, none seem to come to market.

They also need to develop a battery that will safely, fully charge in the time it now takes to fuel up the tank in your internal combustion engine car.

@acarroll6842

Жыл бұрын

Won't be a battery, that'll be an ultracapacitor. Ideally one lined with Graphene to increase it's storage.

@JorgetePanete

Жыл бұрын

​@@acarroll6842 its*

@badfriends5206

Жыл бұрын

@@JorgetePanete calm down

@alexamderhamiltom5238

Жыл бұрын

@@JorgetePanete its no different with its or it's

@JorgetePanete

Жыл бұрын

@@alexamderhamiltom5238 Learn English.

Very interested to see how big oil makes this disappear.

6:02 Casio is indispensable for engineers.

Love that this kind of research is ongoing. However, this video affirms that a fossil-fuel-free world is still a LONG ways off. Just try to imagine how long it will take to re-build our entire electric distribution/generation grid, considering the current grid took over 100 years, and we still haven't really figured out a way to replace most fossil-fuel use. Meanwhile, our current "leadership" seems to think this technology is already available and can be implemented overnight with the swipe of a pen. Think of the $$$ Billions we are now spending on the increased price of currently available energy, massively increased cost due to politicians buying votes, money that should instead be going to fund the future. Shameful waste.

@avinashreji60

Жыл бұрын

part of it is because the fossil fuel industry has intentionally blocked funding towards creating carbon-free energy for decades

@mountainflyhigh

Жыл бұрын

@@avinashreji60 - Bullshit. Energy companies are actively seeking ways to profit from green energy, not block it.

@kipter

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, we arent capable of replacing internal combustion yet and wont be for a while. Politicians dont want to have dirt on their hands and instead of letting us domestically produce oil they make us rely on human rights violating dictatorships that have barely any environmental guidelines.

The most advanced technology invented by human is "boiling water". LOL

Sounds like some Tony Stark shit... did I hear that correctly? Favorite new channel hilarious and informative.

Dr. Srinivasan: "If that happens, we can remove carbon emissions from the grid sector" Big companies in the grid sector: "No you won't" :D

Batteries are dead, welcome to the age of the super capacitor. You'll hear this phrase in a future.

We need more people like this to make a difference in the world, and not another politicians

These people are trying to change the world for better and they may or may not succeed. These people are the real heroes and need to be celebrated not the fake celebrities we have in today's world.

6:35 I loved that movie! So underrated

At 4:58 is that guy using windows 7 on apple mac?😂😂

You said that “humanity release energy by setting things on fire” and that batteries are new but the oldest recorded battery dates back to about 250BCE to 250CE. Look up Baghdad Battery if you’re interested.

This is a really interesting video 👍

Great to watch, research is the key - salute to all the people struggling to conserve burning fossil fuel. But the narration made me watch this twice. Awesome job with the script.

I'm not even gonna watch the video since it's probably not gonna happen... For the past 15 years i have seen articles, videos, etc, about new battery technology and the only thing that happened is that Lithium batteries got better over time. I'm really tired of all these. Yes, maybe some niche new bateries have emerged, but my phone still holds charge for a few days at most, the same it did 15 years ago.

I thought he'll mention diamond batteries. This is very interesting as well.

2:48 "and decrease the cost of these batteries" - specifically the cost to manufacture them. Retail prices go up as a result of providing better value.

So... The electrical grid needs BIG generators in order to stabilize the system. If a majority of homes have solar and battery i their house. How will the increse in instability from that affect the grid?

In Australia 20million vehicles and 20million buildings. All buildings are connected to the national grid. EV batteries are 100kwh for the long drive. Daily drives are 7kwh. EVs are parked 23/7/365. EV selfparking means that they can 'nuzzle' onto a low mounted wall power point when parking. EVs can be part of the existing national grid. 20million × 100kwh = 2,000gWh This is 3.3 times more than the maximum fossil fueled generated electricity daily. If you are lucky. This is 5 times more than avg daily fossil fueled generation. Today. In a no fossil fueled world, 5 times more electricity is needed and 5 times bigger national grid. Poles and wires to the streets and homes and businesses and industries and buildings and all the ends of the existing national grid. If the existing national grid is UNLOADED by the 40% of home supply, and the the home feed in was 40%, then generators will only need to supply 20% of today's electric demands. 20million buildings with rooftop solar pv 33kwh, = 660gWh daily = today's fossil fueled maximum and more, daily. Less sun then a few more panels. Most roofs are 100m2 and more. Central concentrated electrical power generation is economically stupid and expensive because of the extreme costs of the national grid. 5 times bigger national grid is insanely economically stupid.

If low storage capacity is a "THING" perhaps Teslas' concept of Broadcasting energy could minimize the need for being still while charging batteries. Why not charge as you drive on a highway?

Is it like GAN for batteries material?

So, what’s new here? Nice to watch and conclude that it’s difficult, but we’ll get there.

They've been saying this for years. Lithium is the best we got.

i remember asking my condensed matter physics professor about new battery technology and he replied making a new type of battery is ridiculously difficult.

@hornsteinhof7592

Жыл бұрын

Well I wouldn't call coupling a particle accelerator to an AI something I can do in my backyard :D

Are the electrical trains will be possible in the future ?

Will this become like that one time light bulb companies agreed not to make good light bulbs so they could all make money.

Star Labs is outstanding although it's fiction but awesome ....cisco ramon is my favourite one

I love the humor

Great video 🙌

7:12 this clip was taken from the Portal 3 game.

why not do both set stuff on fire while making better batteries or we could just combine the tw0?

Yeah, it will be fun

"Solar energy production is cheaper than fossil fuel production, as long as we don't include storage costs, or waste disposal costs."

@garr_inc

Жыл бұрын

Exactly why (also because of nuclear fusion generators) we need more efficient batteries. Current ones are not allowing us to exploit the full energy these sources provide.

@zoc2

Жыл бұрын

@@garr_inc + ratio

@gammatt2513

Жыл бұрын

Still cheaper than fossil fuels, since we don't really calculate the externalized costs of turning the planet into a polluted un-inhabited wasteland of extinction events.

@usha3938

Жыл бұрын

Yeah are you taking the costs of removing the expelled C02 and other emissions of fossil fuels into account or are you just gonna swallow Aramcos bullshit without second thought.

@davestagner

Жыл бұрын

“Waste disposal costs”. What are the potential economic costs of global warming due to burning fossil fuels? Just this month, Alaska completely canceled the snow crab harvest, a $200M industry. Why? Because global warming has altered the habitat of snow crabs, leading to a 90% reduction in the crab population over just a couple of years. Barring a big surprise, odds are good you won’t ever eat snow crab again.

In Edge City , it was the Mask of Stanley Ipkiss which powered everything !!

To live happily and forever , we need to add a spiritual dimension to our Smarthome.

I’m predicting 3 new types of batteries per year for the next decade. It’s going to get good.

So how do we recycle batteries? I see a lot going in to land fill

We need graphene batteries and the Chinese car company GAC has created one and using in their new car the Aion. And we don't have to mine it, we can use "flash graphene" to create large amounts of graphene by using plastics or any carbon based "feedstock".

I cannot wait what happens when battery technology has a global one trillion dollar budget for research and potential production.

I wonder why there isn't any good battery replacement from this new battery on the sales market easily available. Even if it does, it cost so much more expensive, not cheaper or good replacement at all!!!

Engineers have to be honest, any dishonesty stifles progress: Note he said, “Renewables are the cheapest generators of electricity”. Plus transmission, plus storage and they are no longer the cheapest form of energy.

Water is an idea fuel. After splitting the molecule, it’s combustion reaction produces energy it recombines back to water. With the discovery of negative index meta materials, plasmonics, lasers, and other nanotechnologies. There is a way to split these water molecules for hydrogen fuel or even a plasma field for energy.

@user-fr2fm3ri3w

Жыл бұрын

You hsbe no idea what urgent talking about

🔥We dont need hard reset. Make it easy and upgrade reset!

What might dr Ley have studied to be able to do that?

important research that we need, shame that we keep burning even though we know that it's not good

0:22 Ah, the Bat Futility belt

current batteries are chemical reaction based right? is there other batteries that goes beyond chemical reaction that is still in research? imagine a single D size battery could power a home/car for a few months or even years?

or a small portable generator onboard, the ZPM.

Full vid was super interesting!!

I hope I'm wrong, but it seems impossible to mount every gadget, car, plane etc with high efficiency batteries because the world will never have resources enough to supply us with that much input. Even if it privides the resources, even the energy to produce and recyle the materials necessary to make those batteries might speed up the the looming ruin of the world.

were do all the batteries go when they are dead?

Where is this company located?

I appreciate that the logo just looks like ALCHEMAX from Into the Spiderverse

Memes and bullshit jammed in there to pad for time, all to say that we're not close to anything. This is the Future of Science Videos.

It's simple Quantum batteries that self maintain their charge.

@travman2863

8 ай бұрын

Quantum Vortex generator and battery in one or otherwise known as Zero Point Energy. And yes they are real I know how to make them. In depth breakdown on Quantum Vortex generator and battery in one. In my KZread channel about tap.

It's crazy to think of batteries as the future, when they can never be anywhere near as energy dense as fossil fuels or hydrogen. The latter is clearly a more sensible solution.

If we can get it where we can power a airplane then that means we are likely to get it to power to space in my opinion. Also hook up some solar panels to that bad boy lol.

The newest progress was accomplished by a German company when they developed a Graphene Supercapacitor. They solved the issues with capacitors to the point that they now do more than the lithium Ion batteries, like charging in minutes and being able to drive a 1,000 miles on a charge. If their marketing is correct it will totally change what we now think of as batteries, and if Elon Musk was smart he'd buy the company, or they will own the whole of the battery industry !!!

@pkproductions1623

Жыл бұрын

What's the company name

@benth162

Жыл бұрын

@@pkproductions1623 I was hoping that you all would look it up with the search on KZread. Here is the video I watched. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYauvK-NlMWYj7w.html There are many many videos of this type, but it is Skeleton the German company who professes to have solved the Capacitor issues by using Graphene.

these should be the world doing not making weapons against each other.... hoping for your breakthrough for the advancement of humanity.