The future for West Indies cricket? 💭 | Johnny Grave, Nasser Hussain & Michael Atherton DEBATE!

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Nasser Hussain & Michael Atherton chat with Johnny Grave on the Sky Sports Cricket Podcast, the CEO of West Indies cricket about the challenges of playing bi-lateral cricket, his hopes for the T20 World Cup and that brilliant debut for Shemar Joseph!
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  • @tonymontanatv_
    @tonymontanatv_5 ай бұрын

    Only podcast that's keeping discussion on cricket relevant these days. Not only English cricket but the cricketing world in general. Sky cricket with Nas & Athers never disappoints ❤️🙌

  • @shylo8590

    @shylo8590

    5 ай бұрын

    Just a shame sky dont care about cricket these days. These 2 are too good for sky

  • @rishiarjun9045

    @rishiarjun9045

    5 ай бұрын

    If they cared about cricketing world, why do they never do podcasts about associate countries? They can at least cover Ireland, Scotland, and Netherlands

  • @mohammedomar4652

    @mohammedomar4652

    5 ай бұрын

    you not wrong there....

  • @Writer759

    @Writer759

    5 ай бұрын

    Agreed and grade cricket🎉❤

  • @craigedwards2940

    @craigedwards2940

    5 ай бұрын

    @@rishiarjun9045 Because there's no money in it. We're not talking about people who care about cricket, only their pockets.

  • @malikraheel591
    @malikraheel5915 ай бұрын

    Rebirth of West Indies is the requirement of world cricket. Inspired and respect 🇵🇰

  • @debasismohanty1952

    @debasismohanty1952

    5 ай бұрын

    Pakistan also struggling badly

  • @stuartwallace7536

    @stuartwallace7536

    5 ай бұрын

    Would be brilliant to see WI back to playing its best players at Test Level.

  • @RaunakthePrayasians

    @RaunakthePrayasians

    5 ай бұрын

    Care about your team 😅

  • @kfreckle5453

    @kfreckle5453

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@stuartwallace7536 who are their best players for test cricket?

  • @cricketalltheway1070
    @cricketalltheway10705 ай бұрын

    Nas and Athers are amazing. They have got great knowledge of the game. Really love listening to their words of Wisdom

  • @NeeksSports
    @NeeksSports5 ай бұрын

    Could listen to Nas and Athers talking about Cricket all day... Respect for how they talk about West Indies and all other nations 👊🏿

  • @andrewcampbell5982
    @andrewcampbell59824 ай бұрын

    In the late 1990s and up to 2004, i can remember Bourda Ground having spectators of over 5000 during the week days and higher numbers on weekends.

  • @bigjigyeah
    @bigjigyeah5 ай бұрын

    I don’t get why they don’t organize the WTC as an ICC event like the T20 or ODI WC. Sell the broadcasting rights collectively as a two-year package and distribute the funds equitably to all boards so no one needs to worry about the cost of hosting tests

  • @EightFrancs

    @EightFrancs

    5 ай бұрын

    Genuinely a great idea.

  • @vybhaveswaraiah7114
    @vybhaveswaraiah71145 ай бұрын

    This really hurts as a lot as a Cricket lover and as a big fan or supporter of West Indies cricket

  • @rahulmenon4557
    @rahulmenon45575 ай бұрын

    Very glad that BCCI is trying their best to support West Indies cricket 🎉🎉😊😊❤

  • @JackSmith-xy4gy
    @JackSmith-xy4gy5 ай бұрын

    Its in everyones interest to have a strong Windies side. They are box office a world class West Indian team could take Cricket to the stratosphere. The big 3 need to realise that that the future success of all forms of cricket is going to depend on the ability to build the other nations backnto their previous levels.

  • @c.m4065

    @c.m4065

    5 ай бұрын

    Unfortunately, what your suggesting requires the big 3 cricket boards to invest money and that will not happen, not to the scale required.

  • @johnwhittaker311
    @johnwhittaker3115 ай бұрын

    I like the contrast in this podcast. It started with Grave saying they don’t have much money, then detailing how they’re effectively babysitting the US to make sure they know how to actually hold a World Cup. Just a funny idea to me that a confederation without enough money is teaching one of the richest countries in the world how to do things. Obviously it’s completely valid, the West Indies has so much more cricketing experience, which is the most important thing to making sure it’s a smooth competition, but still amusing

  • @klawless

    @klawless

    5 ай бұрын

    A symptom of the Apathy of the ICC to the game on a global level. While that is admirable for sure, it is not a recipe you'd want to invest money if this was a sharemarket listed company. Having said that I am intending to make the journey from Australia for the Tournament, and defo have my fingers crossed.

  • @StevenSeagal9
    @StevenSeagal95 ай бұрын

    Good content as always Sky - one suggestion though- you might want to release the video version along with the audio version at the same time

  • @TSCHANNELSHORTS

    @TSCHANNELSHORTS

    5 ай бұрын

    It's there on SPOTIFY

  • @StevenSeagal9

    @StevenSeagal9

    5 ай бұрын

    @@TSCHANNELSHORTS Yeah - a whole day before this - I am saying release both of them at the same time

  • @ashwinhariharan310

    @ashwinhariharan310

    5 ай бұрын

    KZread premium

  • @Ram369k
    @Ram369k5 ай бұрын

    Windies can still produce top class fast bowlers acc to me. If they hav 4 to 5 speedsters ,they can slowly become a force and then have to identify young batters.

  • @timjones-ry2mt

    @timjones-ry2mt

    5 ай бұрын

    77y666

  • @rawltg
    @rawltg5 ай бұрын

    You guys had to bring in Grave to tell us that the nail in the coffin of Windies cricket has already been hammered.

  • @brucetrescothick_theonlyone
    @brucetrescothick_theonlyone5 ай бұрын

    We need more Nas and Athers podcasts. Love the hard questions and discussions. MORE please!

  • @ksingh4528
    @ksingh45285 ай бұрын

    This is why I’m gutted the India/England series isn’t on sky. Athers and Nasser are a class above

  • @mohammadfaisal7143

    @mohammadfaisal7143

    5 ай бұрын

    It will be broadcast on sky in uk I think

  • @ksingh4528

    @ksingh4528

    5 ай бұрын

    @@mohammadfaisal7143 no it’s on TNT who don’t really make an effort

  • @gauravtiwari4036
    @gauravtiwari40365 ай бұрын

    Kindly bring Ian Bishop Sir

  • @HkFinn83
    @HkFinn835 ай бұрын

    As he mentioned, India and England are doing all they currently can by touring regularly. To the people say ‘the big three have to do more’, there’s your answer. They’re doing all they can and more. International cricket simply isnt viable in its current form. How are West Indies supposed to subsidise womens cricket that never has and never will make a cent of profit? How are they to even justify a mens test team of mens string players that have nothing to offer other than an opposition for India and england? International cricket has to be rethought from the ground up or abandoned.

  • @klawless

    @klawless

    5 ай бұрын

    As if the head of the WICB is going to say much else on a public forum like this. You know those changes he mentioned to revenue share for touring teams that basically made it revenue negative for them to tour to places like Australia for example. I suspect that "little" change came about when the "big 3" basically hijacked a larger percentage of ICC revenues for themselves. This change and a host of others were forced through with a bit of coercion of the smaller nations. That was 10 or 15 years ago now so I'm not sure. I am probably biased as an Australian who believes our Cricket board has recently been actively hurting the game here at Home in recent years.

  • @wariocheats9701

    @wariocheats9701

    4 ай бұрын

    @@klawlesscouldn’t of said it better. Ofc he’s going to say that. He’s not gonna start a war. But he maintains the structure has to be redone. And we all know the big 3 dictate the ICC and world cricket

  • @nafeesiqbal1538
    @nafeesiqbal15385 ай бұрын

    Fantastic podcast. Right now there are so many franhise cricket going off. Big Bash (albeit coming to a conclusion shortly), SA 20, BPL & ILT20. Next month, we will have PSL & then the IPL will commence afterwards in March. It's a shame that the top quality players are choosing franchise cricket over Tests. Not just the Windies, but recent announcement that Saffas are touring New Zealand with completely unknown team. Really hope Test cricket survives this difficult phase of Franchise cricket

  • @wilclaw01

    @wilclaw01

    5 ай бұрын

    They should find a way to start paying test cricketers more money than franchise cricketers. I bet that would keep test cricket relevant.

  • @ShalinaPyt

    @ShalinaPyt

    5 ай бұрын

    A player match fee for an average t20 game is about $3500-$4000 + the auction/draft fee that he takes. So it's a huge lot of money but if the test cricket is to survive then players who are playing test cricket should be given incentives by the ICC itself apart from their match fee and day allowances by their particular board. And the per day fee should be more than $5000 for each player. Also the ICC and the cricket boards around the world should do it without actually expecting any revenue from the test cricket (Althought test cricket does give a lot of revenue but if the revenue/cost is less than 0 or in negative ICC should invest in test cricket no matter how much money is spent over it). It should be treated as a step towards saving the test cricket from the extinction.

  • @br977

    @br977

    4 ай бұрын

    Franchise based cricket is not a phase that the game is going through; it's the future

  • @hishaamhussain3786
    @hishaamhussain37865 ай бұрын

    West Indies need to produce top class batting to survive

  • @kabirmjoshi2043
    @kabirmjoshi20435 ай бұрын

    He's been 7 years there and still has the job! Lucky fellow. Esp with all debacle

  • @ranga0768

    @ranga0768

    4 ай бұрын

    He's been in Antigua 7 years not in the top job of WI cricket.

  • @brucetrescothick_theonlyone
    @brucetrescothick_theonlyone5 ай бұрын

    Cricket needs the West Indies to be world beaters again. The West Indies are the only team that adds a sustained and passionate wild flare to the game. Shamar Joseph is the next big thing. He can and will be one of the most talked about names in the sport. We need that sort of spirit in the game. West Indies are the only nation with RAW cricketing talent. Given our world status of tiny nations and low GDP to win 5 world titles is testament to OUR RAW talent and POWER. We can and will win the T20 World Cup!

  • @grayalun
    @grayalun5 ай бұрын

    Their whole system needs overhauling, not that long back Hetmyer allegedly failed a fitness test and was deemed not fit enough to play, but Rakheem Cornwall was then subsequently in the team. I actually rate Cornwall as a player but there's no way he's fitter than Hetmyer or passed a fitness test Hetmyer failed. And they are leaving guys out completely who are doing really well in domestic matches, but then picking guys seemingly at random who aren't setting the world on fire domestically which is bizarre at best. I could almost understand if they were picking guys who were 19 or 20 with mediocre records as you might see potential and also think that exposure to international cricket will improve them. But two or three of the guys recently picked were nearly thirty, yet they leave out a guy like Darren Bravo because he's 33 it doesn't make any sense to me, Kieran Powell is another one he's consistently doing really well domestically but seems to be not considered.

  • @Ingens_Scherz
    @Ingens_Scherz4 ай бұрын

    I can only remember the two old geezers presenting this (great) show as the fresh faced youngsters who - symbolically at first, but then genuinely - paved the way for the next generation of English international cricketers to emerge, as players and then as captains. Quite the shared legacy, and they should both be proud of it. They also respectively wrote (with no supernatural intervention) two of the very best cricket autobiographies I've ever been lucky enough to enjoy. Can't believe that both those great books are now around 20 years old. How did that happen!

  • @vybhaveswaraiah7114
    @vybhaveswaraiah71145 ай бұрын

    Really very sad to see that WI Test Team could not build on the remarkable success they achieved in early 2021 when they toured BAN for a 2 match Test Series and won both the Test Matches in extraordinary fashion. And then they won a Test Match vs ENG in ENG at the Ageas Bowl sometime later. After that away from home they have not won a single Test Match vs a Top Team. Leave alone winning, they are not even able to compete well sadly

  • @kenroycampbell3745

    @kenroycampbell3745

    5 ай бұрын

    To say that they have not competed that is not true. They did well against SA and should have won both test if it was not for some poor batting

  • @HkFinn83

    @HkFinn83

    5 ай бұрын

    Part of the problem is there’s never any momentum. They do well and then there’s an 11 month break before their next test match. It’s like the England odi team of the 90’s/2000’s. There were players there with potential, they just never played enough and consistently enough to actually improve.

  • @vybhaveswaraiah7114

    @vybhaveswaraiah7114

    5 ай бұрын

    @@kenroycampbell3745 I agree with that. They actually had played pretty well in phases

  • @skillmeup53
    @skillmeup534 ай бұрын

    Pity Australia doesn't have the WSC (tri series) anymore. I used to watch it every summer. Also, the move to paywall for ODI has killed it in Australia. I would love to see Australia, West Indies and another team play off in a tri series again. Bring over Zimbabwe, Bangladesh or even Ireland at times. Let them at least compete in a reasonable series.

  • @jhsportsfitness
    @jhsportsfitness5 ай бұрын

    Great insight into Windies cricket and its financial status. Still producing brilliant stories and players from lesser known towns.

  • @vybhaveswaraiah7114
    @vybhaveswaraiah71145 ай бұрын

    I really don't think even if the ticket for Test Matches in West Indies are absolutely free, still probably people /fans are hardly going to visit the cricket stadium

  • @mranal8898

    @mranal8898

    5 ай бұрын

    Obviously because no one wants to get bored watching a game of 5 days

  • @Deano_Longley
    @Deano_Longley5 ай бұрын

    Only decent cricket pod with proper a list pundits that's keeping me & 1000's of other hardcore cricket fans in the know,keep em coming, nice one guys

  • @architsinghal9006
    @architsinghal90065 ай бұрын

    Invest in a good dynamic test product. Need big changes

  • @shreyas743
    @shreyas7435 ай бұрын

    Proper cricket podcast this, need more

  • @lord_of_love_and_thunder
    @lord_of_love_and_thunder5 ай бұрын

    One has to recognize that the revenue generated by the BCCI has to sustain hundreds of cricket teams across a vast country, including 40 full, professional Ranji teams. Compare this with 6 teams in Pakistan and NZ, 8 in Australia, 15 in South Africa and 18 in England. BCCI also has to maintain 30 Test grounds, many more than other boards.

  • @imnothim12

    @imnothim12

    5 ай бұрын

    Let's not talk about the quality of those stadiums its piss poor quality lol

  • @siddharth4195

    @siddharth4195

    5 ай бұрын

    everyone who watches domestic knows so many of those stadiums are drab, and just a handful of the same teams even win games lmao, the rest just exist

  • @craigedwards2940

    @craigedwards2940

    5 ай бұрын

    So it's as was suspected all along. The BCCI run world cricket. Odd, I was lead to believe it was the ICC. Money money money, and then more money money money!!

  • @sabertrat

    @sabertrat

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@craigedwards2940 It's true, and it's simply because India has more cricket fans than the population of all the popular cricket playing nations combined.

  • @brucetrescothick_theonlyone
    @brucetrescothick_theonlyone5 ай бұрын

    Please interview Cookie about his batting during the period of 2010-11 in Australia and 2012 in India. Great mindset!

  • @architsinghal9006
    @architsinghal90065 ай бұрын

    Have a yearly test tournament home and away. That is the only way to generate more value. 24 test matches across 8 teams home and away - semi finals 12 games - final 10 games

  • @wilkie1011
    @wilkie10115 ай бұрын

    Excellent podcast as always 🙌

  • @matzpeters6753
    @matzpeters67535 ай бұрын

    Johnny your comment at 22:39+. Why criticise Australia.They played in a better spirit than you could ever claim! You failed to mention what your cost to WI cricket is. Do you and your family fly first class? I love the WI as cricketers. Their flag has 3 stumps and a ball as the sun. From an Aussie 🤗

  • @EightFrancs

    @EightFrancs

    5 ай бұрын

    He's been living high on the hog for 7 years and achieved very little.

  • @gurpreetthind4462
    @gurpreetthind44625 ай бұрын

    great discussion guys. world cricket needs a stronger West indies

  • @simonalleyne
    @simonalleyne5 ай бұрын

    Great podcast, thank you for speakinmg about West Indies Cricket :)

  • @zs6886
    @zs68865 ай бұрын

    Pls do commentary in India vs England series we want all your sky sports team in India, 😢 was awaiting for Nasser Hussain, Michael Atherton, Ian Ward

  • @pooonni
    @pooonni5 ай бұрын

    Amazing podcast 💯

  • @mattgarbutt254
    @mattgarbutt2545 ай бұрын

    Love listening to these 2… even if Athers does look like he’s slept on a park bench all night

  • @leecross2804
    @leecross28045 ай бұрын

    Yes, It really is cold 🥶. In England at the minute 🥶 🥶 🥶 🥶 🥶. Hearing these guys talk about warmer climates does help slightly

  • @c.m4065
    @c.m40655 ай бұрын

    Test cricket needs someone with deep pockets who cares deeply about the game. It needs someone to come into the sport, take control of the scheduling of test cricket and inject millions into the sport so salaries of test cricket squads can compete with the money on offer from T20. The idea being that if the very best talents are incentivised to play test cricket, we can begin to increase the standard of cricket played which should flow on to the level of competitiveness and from there, greater entertainment value. Only through that can the game attract greater revenues that can sustain the salaries that are required to attract the players. But it won't happen with global cricket administered as it is, it needs someone with very deep pockets, a Kerry Packer 2.0 if you will.

  • @brandonobrien4438
    @brandonobrien44385 ай бұрын

    Listen great respect for a new face on the job. West indies cricket needs this

  • @Ben-rq5re
    @Ben-rq5re5 ай бұрын

    Incredibly interesting discussion, but can we please sort out the audio - the Windies might not have any money, but I know Sky Sports definitely does..

  • @DarthMuse
    @DarthMuse5 ай бұрын

    T20 cricket should never be prioritized over Test cricket.

  • @belindagibson4111

    @belindagibson4111

    4 ай бұрын

    Quite simple really, if your best are compensated well, they won’t bother with T20 cricket, if they don’t perform then you don’t re-sign them. The best of Australian players are contracted for the season and any possibility of them playing T20 would be in their contracts

  • @ankitbisht8240
    @ankitbisht82405 ай бұрын

    This is probably the best show with cricketing knowledge

  • @jamesw5713
    @jamesw57135 ай бұрын

    Good podcast 👏

  • @footballsoccerx2021
    @footballsoccerx2021Күн бұрын

    Why are there no world cup matches in Jamaica?

  • @ankitbisht8240
    @ankitbisht82405 ай бұрын

    Micheal Atherton, Nasser hussion best commentators from England, i ll add micheal vaughan as well

  • @carmenlottner297
    @carmenlottner2975 ай бұрын

    USA vs Canada the oldest international fixture of all?Well I'm blowed!

  • @bAkra60

    @bAkra60

    5 ай бұрын

    Yes it is.

  • @donaldstewart444

    @donaldstewart444

    5 ай бұрын

    Not surprising really with British America and British North America.

  • @DileepKumar-qt9nd
    @DileepKumar-qt9nd5 ай бұрын

    This duo on Air ❤❤

  • @AlonsoRules
    @AlonsoRules4 ай бұрын

    West Indies might be back. What a performance they produced in Brisbane!!

  • @isaacnewton3514
    @isaacnewton35145 ай бұрын

    There is no future for West Indies cricket let’s not kid ourselves. Cricket will never go back to how it was 20 years ago. England, India, Australia are going sooo far ahead of everyone, Cricket will only be relevant for those 3 countries

  • @vybhaveswaraiah7114

    @vybhaveswaraiah7114

    5 ай бұрын

    It's gone to the point of NO return. BCCI utterly Insane greed for money has Absolutely Ruined the Game completely.

  • @HkFinn83

    @HkFinn83

    5 ай бұрын

    No future for West Indies (or ‘windies’😳) as a team, but there is a big future for West Indian cricketers. A lot of the top players in IPL are and have been West Indian.

  • @nivedhansenthilkumar964
    @nivedhansenthilkumar9645 ай бұрын

    Caibbean cricket and their flare is vital for International Cricket

  • @architsinghal9006
    @architsinghal90065 ай бұрын

    And having an ICC tournament will create a World Cup type revenue sharing model

  • @akamiguelsanchez9985
    @akamiguelsanchez99855 ай бұрын

    Never thought I’d see Athers in a hoodie

  • @stuartwallace7536
    @stuartwallace75365 ай бұрын

    good podcast

  • @chesstricks988
    @chesstricks9885 ай бұрын

    Wi is still good t20 side

  • @bigbirdcage753
    @bigbirdcage7534 ай бұрын

    When the West Indies were on top, they missed a trick when the 6 regional teams didn't break up and acquire test status separately. Back then in the 1970s the depth of quality even at school level was strong and cricket was number 1 across the region. Many really good young cricketers left the sport due to lack of opportunity. The Barbadian sides of the mid to late 1970s were literally test teams when all available. Yet their regional rivals could match them on the field. Kensington - a Jamaica A grade side then - alone had Rowe, Richard Austin, Herbert Chang, Desmond Lewis, Basil Williams and they hardly won the local competition because of the strength of their local rivals like Kingston. (A grade cricket in Jamaica then was just played in 3 of the 14 parishes.) Politically, had the West Indies gone their separate ways then the respective governments would have ensured investments would have gone in to sustain the game. Fans pressure would have seen to that. Politically again, imagine if the 6 WI regions had achieved separate test status? They could have formed an influential bloc within the ICC that could have played to their advantage financially. Even today I feel West Indies should be broken up but for different reasons as some nations (especially Jamaica) have shown a lack of vision and desire to keep the sport afloat. Since 2019 there has been no top class in Jamaica. Political class shut down cricket during COVID and nothing has happened since. (but kept horse racing going as many politicians have vested interests) Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados and Guyana definitely have the resources today to do so and can benefit from players/supporters from the diaspora as well. With cricket coming to LA 2028 now would been an ideal platform for such regional teams to aim to qualify for in their own right. If the likes of Ireland and Afghanistan can do it why not Barbados, Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago etc Then regional top players would find it difficult not to play for their country. The concept West Indies cricket today is superficial and from a bygone age. The cricketing tensions amongst regional fans, politicians and media alone has been toxic for years.

  • @aijeonline8574

    @aijeonline8574

    4 ай бұрын

    When the majority of players and fans agree with you, you might be on to something. No trick was missed in the 70's. Caribbean Unity was and still is important. That fact is that dissolving the West Indies and burning its history is what plenty of non-West Indies would love to see. Burning the history of Headley, Constantine, Worral, Weekes, Sobers, et al. Ireland and Afghanistan have a level of funding that no Caribbean territory can muster, plus the support of England and Sub continent resoectfully in terms of lobbying, development and infrastructure. Tell me who will help a divided Caribbean? Crabs in a barrel is what you will see. What is Superficial about the West Indies? If they were winning people would not say that and geographically it has not changed. When the likes of Guyana have to play Tier 4 cricket and cannot compete with the European and African nations playing in that tier financially then your dream will turn into a nightmare, because having worked for the ICC, the Caribbean island will start there and then have to join the queue to regain test status. Be careful what you which for.

  • @ahmedshakib3883
    @ahmedshakib38835 ай бұрын

    I hope Westindies get back on top, cricket needs a strong westindies team .

  • @Nothing-kr5hn
    @Nothing-kr5hn5 ай бұрын

    I don't see more than 4 countries playing test cricket in the next 5-10 years. Direct consequence of monetising the sport .

  • @AlanAdrienne
    @AlanAdrienne4 ай бұрын

    I'm not as old as some strong cricket pundits, however based on history and my observations, I've concluded that 5 things have created the current West Indies situation and non of it started here. 1) the passing of Frank Worrell. His guidance and leadership was needed in an administrative role to continue the excellence. 2) Passing of Malcolm Marshall. His guidance was needed for future fast bowlers. A proper West Indian team cannot exist without strong fast bowling. 3)That rebel tour and the subsequent loss of players like Rowe, Croft, Stephenson, Clarke, Moseley, Austin, Chang, Murray. Can you imagine if West indies had Croft, Ambrose, Walsh, Clarke and the rest playing in that team? 4) The early retirement of Richie Richardson left a leadership gap and pushed players into leadership that were simply not ready. 5)forcing Jimmy Adams out of the team after one terrible tour instead of building him back up to the batsman who was averaging 87. That's the highest average outside of bradman and we just discarded him

  • @kfreckle5453

    @kfreckle5453

    4 ай бұрын

    None of what you listed had anything to do with the decline of WI cricket. The decline of WI cricket is due to the failure of the then WICB to put things in place for the future. They felt that WI were going to dominate forever and continue to produce raw talent like the greats before. Which is evident today, an example of that is there has never been any great fast bowlers since Walsh/ Ambrose and there hasn't been a great spinner since Lance Gibbs and a great batsman hasn't emerge since Lara. Marshall alone couldn't build back that tradition of WI fast bowlers as these players in the Caribbean aren't prepared to work as hard and it's still evident 24 years after his passing. As great as Worrell and Marshall were as players they would have had a hard time like everyone over the years in getting their plans out there. The rebel players who went to South Africa had nothing to do with the decline. Remember that majority of those guys were dropped from the WI team before the idea of a rebel tour came about. At the time of the reble tour Holding, Marshall, Garner, and Roberts were the four prong attack. When Roberts retired there came Walsh, Milton Small, Patrick Patterson. When Holding and Garner retired there was Ambrose and Bishop and other younger fast bowlers waiting in the wings. It's unlikely that Clarke and Croft would have played with Ambrose as they would have retired by the time Ambrose emerged if they were still a part of the WI set up.

  • @kfreckle5453

    @kfreckle5453

    4 ай бұрын

    Richardson's wasn't performing as well as he was capable of when the burden of captaincy took its toll on him. Richardson decision to retire was more of a personal one. Walsh led the team well in the absence of Richardson when he took a break due to fatigue. Walsh was definitely ready and there were players with sufficient experience who could take on leadership roles. As it relates to Jimmy Adams, he wasn't the same player he was in earlier part of his career. 1994 was a great year for him espeically that tour to India where he was the WI leading run scorer in the test series. 1995 was a poor year for him and in 1996 he recorded his highest test score of 208. After that his form was poor and he got dropped from the WI team in 1997 and was recalled a year later and still wasn't consistent up until his last test match of the 2000-01 series in Australia. Adams getting discarded was justified

  • @AlanAdrienne

    @AlanAdrienne

    4 ай бұрын

    @kfreckle5453 thank you. I'm a younger fan but I read alot of west indies history and was also a very young child watching cricket at that time, so my perspective comes from that

  • @kfreckle5453

    @kfreckle5453

    4 ай бұрын

    @@AlanAdrienne okay no problem. Bless.

  • @baloneeranjan6759
    @baloneeranjan67594 ай бұрын

    A strong West Indies team is good for world cricket however, at present they are not competitive. Maybe their best players are opting for the lucrative franchises around the world.

  • @gavingrant9121
    @gavingrant91214 ай бұрын

    Any here after West Indies beat Australia?

  • @KamalSharma-rx3rb
    @KamalSharma-rx3rb5 ай бұрын

    Naseer and Athers are voice of cricket ❤

  • @leeturton9254
    @leeturton92545 ай бұрын

    The west Indies players all seem a lot smaller than their great teams of the past... which tells you something...all their outstanding strong athletes are going to other sports... their fans abandoned them as well which never helps

  • @diaprojectdiss2142

    @diaprojectdiss2142

    4 ай бұрын

    Football has overtaken cricket in the WI, save Barbados and Guyana.

  • @mayankseth8316
    @mayankseth83165 ай бұрын

    Only problem with WI cricket is batting

  • @ExcelTaughtQuickly
    @ExcelTaughtQuickly4 ай бұрын

    Can't believe that no games will be played in Jamaica

  • @RetailAdda
    @RetailAdda5 ай бұрын

    Bcci should donate $5 million dollars each year towards each countries such as WI, Zim and Ireland. Basically spending ₹170 crore each year is penauts for BCCI

  • @AyeshaAmin78

    @AyeshaAmin78

    5 ай бұрын

    BCCI should donate those $5 million dollars to poor Indian citizens, education so that they can uphold their living. BCCI is controlled by South India & Mumbai Lobby.

  • @AyeshaAmin78

    @AyeshaAmin78

    5 ай бұрын

    Ask the USA & European Nations for those free $5 million dollars. India is still ‘POOR’ as GDP per capita.

  • @an6e556

    @an6e556

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@AyeshaAmin78It's not all about Indians!!! It's about helping other Cricket nations who's struggling.

  • @mujnaqvi1
    @mujnaqvi15 ай бұрын

    Did Athers fall out of a skip?

  • @mattgarbutt254

    @mattgarbutt254

    5 ай бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @jonnyryebread
    @jonnyryebread5 ай бұрын

    Audio quality of nass and athers is poor is this video, would expect better considering the dosh sky have forked out on for the new studio and mics for this podcast

  • @jaynestewart9459
    @jaynestewart94595 ай бұрын

    What's happened to wardy?

  • @jacklowe3037

    @jacklowe3037

    5 ай бұрын

    Ian ward will still be presenting in the summer.

  • @beautyconnoisseurs9540
    @beautyconnoisseurs95404 ай бұрын

    What the board and caribbean goverments could do is, get cricket in the schools as a subject to introduce it to the masses at a young age. Cricket is certainly a more lucritive career path than other options and if given the opportunity young people would take those options. There also needs to be better marketing both vertually and physically, as a resident living in Jamaica I don't see any of that being done in one of the territories where cricket is most on the decline and young people interest is minimal

  • @lokhtar
    @lokhtar5 ай бұрын

    There is no future. The big three have abandoned cricket in the rest of the world, and it will wither away. This is fine by the big three; they want to focus on playing each other and their domestic leagues. They feel they don't owe WI or anyone else any of their profits, and they are welcome to have that position and it's fine. But the result will be an inevitable shrinking and death of cricket elsewhere. And don't think that when this happens, the darkness won't start creeping into the big three as well. Already the Test matches even in the big three are often played in front of half empty stands outside of the Ashes.

  • @lokhtar

    @lokhtar

    5 ай бұрын

    @@rajatgupta76I’m Indian. Cricket isn’t popular enough to thrive without help. If the goal of ICC is to grow the game, then the more successful members have to help. If it isn’t and it’s every man for himself, that’s fine but it will be the end of cricket outside the big three. You may think that’s fine but I find it sad.

  • @HkFinn83

    @HkFinn83

    5 ай бұрын

    Cricket isn’t as successful in England as you might think, even now. Youth involvement is lower than ever and the game at the top level is in a crisis of context - what does the game actually mean and who’s playing for what? The ashes still has built in meaning but even that has fewer viewers than ever. The pop up t20 leagues have won. This is a debate about history now, it’s already done. The ecb can’t and isn’t interested in saving the game in England, wouldn’t hold my breath about it doing good for the game anywhere else

  • @siddharth4195

    @siddharth4195

    5 ай бұрын

    @@HkFinn83 neither is the BCCI tbh, as much as they are entitled to their own revenue, if they want any sort of growth to the sport, they have to sacrifice a few million dollars a year to smaller boards (which I don't see happening, the rich get richer basically until there is no money left in the sport)

  • @lokhtar

    @lokhtar

    5 ай бұрын

    @@siddharth4195 Yeah, it just depends what they care about. If they care about revenue growth over the short and medium term, they should focus on IPL. But if it's not purely about money and we are talking about the very long term survival of this game we love, WI need to be a part of it. Think about the amazing players and teams WI have produced through history. Holding, Viv, Sobers, Ambrose, Marshall. The list is endless. What amazing memories I have of watching those guys. I personally find it very sad what is happening. I think cricket would be better with a strong WI side,

  • @FreeVortex-py4oo
    @FreeVortex-py4oo4 ай бұрын

    West Indies need to drop 50 over cricket and focus on tests and T20

  • @sureshchandraojha6391
    @sureshchandraojha63915 ай бұрын

    Wonderful discussion. Those of us who've watched the Westindies play in the past fervently wish that they regain their lost glory and no doubt that would be great for the future of cricket world-wide.

  • @boercarlyle
    @boercarlyle4 ай бұрын

    Jesus lads - the audio quality is worse than listening to my nan's 90's radio through the wall with East Enders on in the background

  • @boercarlyle

    @boercarlyle

    4 ай бұрын

    Mostly on Athers' mic

  • @akshayganesh4144
    @akshayganesh41445 ай бұрын

    I am worried about future of English cricket which currently has no vision

  • @fredg.5384
    @fredg.53844 ай бұрын

    Cricket kit is really expensive.

  • @manannagpal7645
    @manannagpal76455 ай бұрын

    I think this podcast is incomplete without a Westindian opinion. They should have invited someone.

  • @mikebombshell
    @mikebombshell4 ай бұрын

    Which west indies team is the best team? what are we talking about, those players who are playing T10 and T20 can't even bat 6 overs fareless test cricket which is 5 days.

  • @RajatSaha79
    @RajatSaha795 ай бұрын

    More than West Indies I am worried about Australia's bowling resources. Playing Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins against a depleted side like this. Australia probably the team that has handed least debuts to fast bowlers in tests in last 5 years or so.

  • @klawless

    @klawless

    5 ай бұрын

    I don't think this is the issue is quite as big as you see it. A few things have come together to allow those 3 to keep playing test after test. 1. In the recent past I think I've heard each of those 3 say they don't want to miss a single test match. They would prefer to "play till they break" or form does not warrant their selection. 2. Team NSW think they deserve first choice at filling all 11 positions. Since their domestic team is rubbish they have reluctantly only held the grip on half of the team. (mostly the bowling line up) 3. Each of those 3 offers quite varied bowling options to Bowling Captain Pat. 4. Consistently having a pace bowling allrounder in the squad (Marsh or Green, and now Both) has given extra ability to rest bowlers well during the matches. 5. The durability of each of the 3 has been extremely impressive. Having said all of that, would I like to see some changes to the bowling line up. Yes, was it a dreadful oversight not giving M.Neser a crack in English conditions last year where he was basically dominating the County circuit with ball and bat? Yeah it was.

  • @vikashb4036

    @vikashb4036

    4 ай бұрын

    And they just beat them lol

  • @klawless

    @klawless

    4 ай бұрын

    Yep how good! The fact that Shamar Joseph was named Man of the series to me highlights a few things. There are still very talented athletes who want to play for the West Indies. The new bowler looked like the best bowling option. (is that because Aus didn't have footage to coach the players on) S.Joseph has only played a handful of First class games and is already 24. The First class system in a lot of other countries would have highlighted him much earlier and brought him through. These things are just some of the differences between the greedy cricket boards, which includes my Cricket Australia board, and the rest of world cricket. Would additional resources available to West Indies cricket have brought Shamar Joseph to Test cricket sooner. I think YES.

  • @user-jz3oq1xl2e
    @user-jz3oq1xl2e3 ай бұрын

    Two battestmen who feared wi bowlers rember there time against ambrose an walsh

  • @vamsikrishnadoddi2416
    @vamsikrishnadoddi24165 ай бұрын

    british men talking about future of west indies we had seen this before

  • @flch95
    @flch954 ай бұрын

    Our cricket is likely never coming back. I think the talent is there to be in the same conversations with NZ and PAK, but the development is just not there for whatever reason.

  • @boiragirules
    @boiragirules5 ай бұрын

    Only one solution....borrow and bring 5 players like Lara and Kohli...you get so much money you won't ever need to worry...

  • @FreeVortex-py4oo
    @FreeVortex-py4oo4 ай бұрын

    This current West Indies has have been absolutely horrific for us.

  • @danasiz9034
    @danasiz90345 ай бұрын

    Jhonny Grave. Why is he in charge of the windies cricket board. That's the important question

  • @umbreluces
    @umbreluces4 ай бұрын

    Johnny is part of the problem.. how convenient that all England worldcup games are in Barbados and Antigua..the ICC is not a fair governing body! and why don't you talk about that outside of England, India and Australia are the ones getting most of the test matches between them.. you cant expect the WI be in top form by only playing 5 test maximum for the year...

  • @gabrielmicheal413
    @gabrielmicheal4134 ай бұрын

    I have to say what a tragedy for West indies cricket It has steadily declined since the 90s, great in the 80s and now, almost unrecognisable There is no money, no funding And probably will lose test status soon Something quick needs to be done for the west indies Crying shame

  • @raheemnicholls6032
    @raheemnicholls60325 ай бұрын

    Being from the West Indies fascating disscussion.

  • @vybhaveswaraiah7114
    @vybhaveswaraiah71145 ай бұрын

    Star Sports will never ever do stuff like this. It is simply the Worst Ever cricket Broadcaster. Utter Nonsense their broadcasting is honestly speaking

  • @debasismohanty1952

    @debasismohanty1952

    5 ай бұрын

    Star sports only promotes Virat Kohli their experts always talked about Virat Kohli and over hype Virat Kohlis achievements and they never talk about international cricket and they never give credit to oppositions and their anchors focusing more on acting and dancing 😂😂 and looks totally unprofessional

  • @debasismohanty1952

    @debasismohanty1952

    5 ай бұрын

    Bro star sports directors and producers treating cricket like a bollywood movie 😂😂

  • @siddharth4195

    @siddharth4195

    5 ай бұрын

    Worst cricket broadcaster by a country mile lol, it is an entertainment product for them, which is fair, but makes every other team seem like they are worth nothing

  • @debasismohanty1952

    @debasismohanty1952

    5 ай бұрын

    @@siddharth4195 they only targeting Virat Kohlis 260 million followers that's it

  • @debasismohanty1952

    @debasismohanty1952

    5 ай бұрын

    @@siddharth4195 they treat cricket like Bollywood movie and look at their anchors they are totally unprofessional they are dancing on the pre and post match shows and try to act like Bollywood actors and our so called experts also dancing on the ground

  • @David_178
    @David_1785 ай бұрын

    Found the nearest white person in Antigua that I’m vaguely mates with to talk about West Indian cricket

  • @mohammedomar4652
    @mohammedomar46525 ай бұрын

    west indies cricket was never stronger than when it had a cause - a meaning - a statement to make...... without the blood and guts and years of resentment and debasement ..that festered for so many decades and contrast this to how fast ...the transition .... its now all about money ...... and money has resulted in a selfish battle of greed and the pride and cause and patriatism and love of country has been so been forgotten. i understand it .. i just find it so difficult to accept...cricket was never better than when it meant more than winning ..... i'm not saying go back to old colonial days ... i just want international cricket to be as compettive as possible with all the best players on show.. otherwise the public are being cheated.

  • @darshang1262
    @darshang12625 ай бұрын

    How can u talk about Windies without any west indian player there

  • @colin_a
    @colin_a5 ай бұрын

    Seven years!, sack..?

  • @_Mirage_12
    @_Mirage_125 ай бұрын

    Interview of a guest should just be a segment in your show. It should not take the majority of time. We want to hear more from you two alone.

  • @danedwadd62

    @danedwadd62

    5 ай бұрын

    Totally agree

  • @JDi77le

    @JDi77le

    5 ай бұрын

    Agreed.

  • @rohitjaiswal999

    @rohitjaiswal999

    5 ай бұрын

    Exactly 💯💯💯

  • @DaleG281

    @DaleG281

    5 ай бұрын

    Extend the show. I found this insightful

  • @rokcommunication9598
    @rokcommunication95984 ай бұрын

    the future of cricket is gone. India has successfully destroyed Sri lanka, South africa, West indies cricket boards by enticing their players to play in cash rich T20 leagues. soon england and australia cricket will be destroyed. some day in future , India will play cricket with India A, India B, India C only

  • @realityspeaker-ml7bz
    @realityspeaker-ml7bz5 ай бұрын

    Why Putin is not allowed to speak.. we need Putin's perspective also 😮

  • @Orsino14

    @Orsino14

    5 ай бұрын

    You’re referring to Hussain? 😂

  • @realityspeaker-ml7bz

    @realityspeaker-ml7bz

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Orsino14 so he changed his name after leaving Russia

  • @fitzroy7054
    @fitzroy70545 ай бұрын

    What’s with the hoodie Athers

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