You forgot that with defamation, not only does the statement need to be false, you need to prove that the defendant KNEW it was false. If they are just wrong or misled/misinformed, it's not defamation. This is EXTREMELY difficult to prove.

@JimmiJam

Жыл бұрын

Not entirely. You also have to prove direct harm too physical/financial. Which unless someone out right says so is nearly impossible.

@misseselise3864

Жыл бұрын

Not just that, you have to prove the defendant knew the statement was false AND that the person stated the false claim to damage a person’s reputation. and in a lot of places, a victim will not get a single cent if there was no genuine harm done to their reputation (and losing friends & being bullied online doesn’t count as a damaged reputation)

@SonofKalas22

Жыл бұрын

@@JimmiJam I know, I was just adding additional info he missed about that particular point. Essentially, You need to prove that a lie was told to cause damages and that it did so. There are 3 very difficult things to prove embedded in this. A) proving that someone knowingly lied. B) proving they lied in order to cause tangible damages. C) that the damages occured and were a direct result of the lies. This is trickier than it seems, as it means that if you were fired/not hired for something, you need it on record that the lies were the reason. You need to prove 3 separate things that should exist entirely in People's minds, if said people have any sense at all. Everyone needs to be monumentally stupid for the plaintiff to have a record of any of this, much less all of it. If any one person in this chain, keeps their mouth shut on why/if they lied, or why an employer fired the plaintiff, or these things are only communicated verbally, the case is kaput.

@gestaltblitz8296

Жыл бұрын

​@misses elise doesn't personal reputation not matter in the court of law? I know that In alot of places there has to be provable monetary loss along with the internet to cause said loss via dissemination of falsehoods that the person knows is a falsehood.

@misseselise3864

Жыл бұрын

@@gestaltblitz8296 defamation lawsuits are to recover monetary payments for losses caused by defamation. someone bullying you on the internet isn’t directly responsible for any loss of wages and cannot be held responsible for it

i thought furries are cringe and harmless (most of the time). but sometimes "anti furries" are beyond cringe and harmful

@Scruffy-qi3ik

Жыл бұрын

the anti people are pretty crazy, i've never seen a group so obsessed with larping about being nazi's or soviet union members as much as them

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

Bro literally made their "community" logo based off of the yahztee party flag... (edit 1:, its not necessarily a 1 to one inspiration, but fascism is written all over it, tbh.)

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor

Жыл бұрын

@@Swelteringheat YAHTZEE PARTY LMFAO!!!! bruh WW2 was just a big game of RISK lol...

@taurus600

11 ай бұрын

Damn couldn't have said it better myself

@Sanjiluv

11 ай бұрын

good. Harm is the only way to stop this degenerate bullshit. Mental or in extreme cases physical. You know why we have furries now and didnt before? Yeah, the zero tolerance for bullying. People dont know whats cringe or acceptable anymore. They never got laughed at and felt bad for shit they did that WAS BAD. So now we have these fuckin weird fks all over the place.

tom dark the type of guy to still be holding on to the steering wheel after his car falls apart

@MikeyMobes

Жыл бұрын

weak roast

@tylercoon1791

Жыл бұрын

Tom Dark the kinda dude to smell the aroma coming off a pie and start floating towards it

@jojobizadTRASH

Жыл бұрын

Tom Dark the type of guy to say "he's right behind me" before he gets eaten by a big belly furry

@Traflaw534

Жыл бұрын

Tom dark the kind of dude to run off a cliff then look down then look at the camera and shrug before falling

@saladmancer4802

Жыл бұрын

Tom Dark is the kinda guy to ride those spinning zero-g rides at a carnival

I hate when there are legitimate groomers and pedos in many communities, people still need to make up BS on innocent people for clout. This is disgusting.

@alicemalice1047

Жыл бұрын

You're more likely to be a pedo if you're a furry. x2 as likely if you're a trans identifying male

@Fishnberg

Жыл бұрын

yeah, our human society has reached to a point this to them is "normal" if we were to continue going to that direction, its bound to bring danger to our human race heck, even distruction and violence.. We really need to go back

@flarestorm9417

Жыл бұрын

It's scary to know that your life could be upended because one person decides to record you in public and post it to TikTok. Sure, you can put out information on people that either run off or dodge legal consequences. But you can also spread false information super easily. This is actually a common tactic to, where online crazies and their journalist friends will repeat the same labels over and over to smear someone, with most having no money to fight back (e.g., J.K. Rowling got someone to retract their comment on her because she actually threatened to take them to task in court over it). Twitter's the same place where a 19 year-old will be called a predator for dating a 17 year-old, or where someone tall will be called a predator because of their short, young-looking partner, despite being close (if not the same) in age. If it's not a problem people can throw tweets and online doxxes at they don't care to engage.

@grimsyn8174

Жыл бұрын

@@JAB00Z.oh get a grip, blue literally hasn’t done anything besides exist

@ragnnohab

Жыл бұрын

@@grimsyn8174 That you know of. Maybe what Valid posted is less than truthful now but it's only a matter of time before something similar comes out against Blue that he have to admit isn't made up.

I don’t know how to feel about this one. Fabricating life ruining allegations and going out of your way to target the person’s parents is pretty evil IMO

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor

Жыл бұрын

counterpoint: he's a furry who RP'd with someone he thought was a minor

@nak-crow

Жыл бұрын

​@@SomeOrdinaryJanitor Sorry Timmy, your bias doesn't apply to everyone and you can't wish death upon anyone that remotely like anthropomorphic animals. Stop trying to shove your shitty opinion down people throat like the sjw.

@Purplethingyt

Жыл бұрын

@@SomeOrdinaryJanitor Tom literally said that was fake when you watch the entire video. You can't be out here saying stuff like this without knowing all the details :/

@grandz125

Жыл бұрын

@@SomeOrdinaryJanitor Counterpoint: You didn't even finish the damn video

@flarestorm9417

Жыл бұрын

I think people need to be taken to task on these things, but most don't have the time and money to do it. You can't just call people sexual predators as an insult or some off-hand remark. That's literally the kind of thing someone might harm or outright kill you in public for (and we all know pedophiles don't last long in prison if they're put with the general population). To paraphrase what Mike Tyson said, people have gotten too comfortable disrespecting others and not getting punched in the face for it.

There are three absolute certainties in this world: 1. Death 2. Taxes 3. Furry Drama

@whitepaperkat67

Жыл бұрын

Which is the reason why I left that community. I don't like to get involved with drama or get caught in the crosshairs of it

@Scruffy-qi3ik

Жыл бұрын

@@whitepaperkat67 gonna be honest with you, that kind of means you shouldn't be in any community at all, because every community will inevitably have drama

@whitepaperkat67

Жыл бұрын

@@Scruffy-qi3ik yeah and that's why I'm done being part of communities or collectives I'm a Linux guy and a closeted furry, but I do not associate myself with both of those communities

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

4. The storm that is approaching.

@Goldfishbroha

Жыл бұрын

5. The Fog

Even if people hate furries or trans people, they should at least care about the fact that this just makes this harder for real victims of grooming. Valid Ls used the experience of victims to troll someone he doesn’t know. For clout.

@1nhof

Жыл бұрын

Validls is making fun of trans people, so he's alright in my book.

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

@@1nhof You just took a really valid L, man.

@orenges

Жыл бұрын

people like him deserve to go through what Junko Furuta went through, not even joking. These failed abortions are always safe behind their screens, reusing the same insult/joke about fatherless people, not realizing how hypocritical they are. Especially the transphobic subhumans

@pja6476

Жыл бұрын

​@@Swelteringheat He took an L because you said so lmao?

@GenuineRage

Жыл бұрын

@@pja6476 Does that offend you?

I think you have legal grounds if someone is trying to falsely claim you're a sex offender. Should be an easy case if you have the evidence of them conspiring to defame you. That stuff will ruin your chance of being employed and in some places will definitely get you stabbed.

@internettraveler8666

Жыл бұрын

If you’re a public figure it’s way harder

@GangsterFrankensteinComputer

Жыл бұрын

@internet traveler maybe, I don't think this random furry would qualify but who knows. I'm still interested in how the Ethan Klein one will turn out.

@Gunblazer42

Жыл бұрын

This is true. You do have to claim financial damages otherwise, but (and I believe this is the case unless I'm misconstruing this with another aspect of defamation, and if I am it might be the "actual malice" caveat) there can be cases where the claim is so egregious that the court assumes that there was damage anyway, which is usually the case for extreme statements like stating someone has an STD, or is a sexual offender, things that can actually get them ostracized or stigmatized in society.

@ZentaBon

Жыл бұрын

@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer idk 70k followers is a public figure in that situation

@nattteo

Жыл бұрын

@@Gunblazer42 Yeah you wouldn't need to prove damages for a case like this. Honestly if they took the guy to court, it'd probably be a slam dunk, but you would have to consider that you have to convince a jury that a furry is right about anything XD

i feel bad for bluefolf, hate or like furries, going through that shit must feel awful no matter who you are.

@_WalterWhite

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@khal7723

Жыл бұрын

Yea and the father not even taking their side just dropping their address is crazy

@BlueFolf

Жыл бұрын

Thank you ❤

@KanamoriKamper

Жыл бұрын

@@geigerdos4360 it’s awful because their being falsely accused of illegal shit that could ruin their life? Not because their terminally online?

@AspireGMD

Жыл бұрын

@@geigerdos4360 False allegations are only hated by people who are chronically online? bad take level 1000.

You know it's gonna be something wild when the furry community gets involved

@dystopic4555

Жыл бұрын

​@rexminer001 Yes and it's wild, she literally got accused of being a pedophile and got doxxed. My comment wasn't hate, furry drama is always either very wild or very petty.

@rexxe001

Жыл бұрын

​@@dystopic4555 it's other innocent person getting framed again situation same with kwite

@dystopic4555

Жыл бұрын

​@@rexxe001Yep, kinda what I just said man

@Drag_mos

Жыл бұрын

damnn fr

@rexxe001

Жыл бұрын

​@@dystopic4555had to re-read that last comment to said but yeah basically

Ah Twiter. the judge, jury, circus, freak show, and meme pit. truely a wonderful(horrible) place

@ivory231

11 ай бұрын

Such a beautiful (terribly disgusting) place

@Vizedar

9 ай бұрын

The place of many [horrific] wonders

It’s pretty weird how TomDark immediately knows what is going on in the furry community 🤨🤨🤨

@monkofdarktimes

Жыл бұрын

He has contacts from making videos on them

@mazoku6793

Жыл бұрын

He literally has another channel called "Turkey Tom". Lil sus...

@WilfrePancakes

Жыл бұрын

FurkeyTom

@_WalterWhite

Жыл бұрын

@The Real Gasoline drama baiter

@_WalterWhite

Жыл бұрын

@The Real Gasoline bait

twitter and Furies a combo that can only generate terrible results.

@SnivTen

Жыл бұрын

If only both could be destroyed.

@viderevero1338

Жыл бұрын

​@@neilisawesome2333 'Only Twitter'. There are certain communities in Twitter that communicate different in correlation with their niches. Furry culture on twitter, and in seeming congruity with Art-Twitter. Other communities are much more accommodating, and peaceful, they're just the silent minority lately. This rings true for really any social media platform. The idea that even 90% of people on a platform are somehow unreasonable or shitty is disingenuous, and hyperbole.

@AFunkyPigeon

Жыл бұрын

​@@SnivTen most of the ones I've seen are nice people. Wanting to end an entire community for wearing costumes is pathetic and stupid

@melasn9836

Жыл бұрын

@@viderevero1338 Was just gonna say that you can't leave Art Twitter out of that awful equation.

@Leon.K69

Жыл бұрын

​@@rexxe001 pretty much

it's weird that no matter how cringe an online community is the "haters" always manage to be totally unhinged lol

@BumboLooks

Жыл бұрын

That's what pedophiles say about people who hate them....

@Wroar2020s

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the jellybean drama lol

@BumboLooks

Жыл бұрын

@@Wroar2020s The roblox, minecraft sperg that only other roblox, minecraft spergs know about? Why did you bring that up?

@UMAtronic

Жыл бұрын

​@@BumboLooksbecause people did some fucked up things to her. Like people made fake screenshots of her saying racial slurs to get her cancelled. You can not like her but dont do stuff like that to people its really sad considering she was like 15.

@BumboLooks

Жыл бұрын

@@UMAtronic You think that's messed up? That would be traumatizing for a six year old. But 15 years old? lol get lost. 1) Nobody cares about racial slurs if they are directed towards white people. Everyone is racist. Everyone is accused of being racist. It doesn't mean anything anymore. 2) Creators/streamers love positive and negative attention because it brings them more views. 3) Forever online people that play games designed for autists are professional victims and attention seeking sociopaths that greatly exaggerate the importance of what they do and should just be ignored. 4)Grow up please.

It was obvious from the start that Valid L's only objective was to get under the skin of the people he was targeting, the fact that the furry/trans community celebrated a frivolous lawsuit which had very little chance of actually going through just gave Valid L's more reason to keep going. He achieved what he seeked to do

@elrojogrande744

Жыл бұрын

the past tense of seek is sought not seeked. respectfully i think youre correct but that made my eye twitch a bit😅

@EHiggins

Жыл бұрын

Admiral Ackbar saw this coming, but when you yell "It's a trap!" They run faster at it! for some reason XD

@cheesemanthe2nd

Жыл бұрын

He deserves to get sued for that, Im not even a part of that community and I'd be celebrating too if it went through.

@aidenkelly9641

Жыл бұрын

@@cheesemanthe2nd well there wont be a lawsuit lol

@cheesemanthe2nd

Жыл бұрын

@@aidenkelly9641 I know but still, it was 100% a organized hate crime made by valid L's and his goons

Common misconception. Doxing is both illegal and legal. It's only illegal to post private info in a dox. But it is legal to post public info. So it can be either or depending on the circumstances. Doxing can fall into 2 categories. Posting public info which is legal and posting private info that was never publicly posted which is illegal. If you dox someone it could be legal or illegal depending on what it was. So it makes it a legal gray area.

@Sheriden.

Жыл бұрын

Nice. Let’s legally dox people

@SonofKalas22

Жыл бұрын

If it's publicly available info, it's not doxxing. That said, show me where sharing private information is illegal? If I posted your name and address or phone number into this comment section, what law would I be violating?

@kenosabi

Жыл бұрын

​@@SonofKalas22 None. But people are delusional and convinced hurting their feelings is illegal in this era. 😂

@Stopim100

Жыл бұрын

@@kenosabi its not about hurting feelings old pal do you not know what the term dox mean?

@leftwingdragon6235

Жыл бұрын

​@thereisnocat9496 KZread is a US company and therefore must follow US Laws anyone committing a crime under US law can be trialed by US Courts even if you aren't a citizen of the US (that's part of international law). Doxing the act of posting information not on the public domain (private information) is illegal under the US Invasion of Privacy Laws. If you dox someone on platforms run by US companies the US courts are well within their rights to charge you with a crime.

even if you do dislike furries, thanks for not harassing them like validLs did, ur a great youtuber and i love your content

@katzu_wu3392

Жыл бұрын

true

@alexdolezalu9066

Жыл бұрын

This i can agree with. I don't care if you like me or not, i'll respect your opinion, but that is not grounds to be harrased.

@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967

Жыл бұрын

I don't care if he doesn't like furries or not. He's a good KZreadr.

@STARTHEWINGEDWOLF

Жыл бұрын

@@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967 agreed

@aphone2699

11 ай бұрын

Agreed.

Oh man, I remember seeing this pop up in one of the discord servers I'm in. Doesn't matter which side you're on, if you try to fake evidence against someone and try to destroy their reputation, you're a horrible person who should never be allowed to use the internet ever again.

Yo, im the one who made the initial Bluefolf video. I told her there was a large chance you would cover the situation, im glad to see that you were amicable about things. Blue hasn’t touched a dime, shes shown me bank statments. GFM is just slow with these things. She really was just unaware of the difficulties in a legal battle. When “just sue them!” Is the default twitter response to defamation, its easy to overestimate your ability to go through the legal process.

@sciencefixion

Жыл бұрын

I first heard about this situation from your video. I honestly can’t blame blue for her response. That kind of accusation is fucking gut wrenching.

@Clown_the_Clown

Жыл бұрын

"She" "Her"

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

@@Clown_the_Clown Very true name for the person to make this post, fellow commenter.

@pinknights4480

Жыл бұрын

@@Clown_the_Clowncornball ky5

@SimpleNicks

Жыл бұрын

@@Clown_the_Clown those words must be so scary for you

This was actually kind of an eye opener. I disliked furries (Though I never really acted against them because I'm not *that* much of an asshole), but seeing how blue was treated by their own parents when there wasn't even any evidence, I kinda feel bad now. I of course still think furries are weird and cringey, but its better than ruining their lives for gits and shiggles

@tuxtitan780

8 ай бұрын

I have never, ever understood hating or disliking furries, ever. Thinking they're weird or cringe? Sure, I can understand that, everything somebody does is going to be weird and cringe to atleast one other person, but disliking an entire group of people because they partake in a harmless hobby? I can't. I don't understand how anybody can hate/ dislike a group of people who aren't hurting anybody because they share a hobby, or a trait, or whatever.

@MonkeyShark

6 ай бұрын

@@tuxtitan780 I can understand disliking, because finding a hobby extremely cringey or weird goes hand in hand with finding everyone who partakes in it extremely cringey or weird. Hate, or actively wishing harm against them, is pretty insane though.

When something involves furries and twitter it can either be hilarious or horrible

@thesneakymemedealer5071

Жыл бұрын

on twitter they're one in the same

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor

Жыл бұрын

it's cringe more than anything

@Just_a_buck

Жыл бұрын

@@SomeOrdinaryJanitor fr tho

@Averydude1

Жыл бұрын

twitter is kind of stupid.

@H3XED_OwO

Жыл бұрын

@@Averydude1 More than "kind of" 💀

Bro, what the hell. I love trolling. I do it myself sometimes... But I would never go this far like hurting innocent people and I don't support that kind of stuff. That shit is cruel. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I knew I just hurt someone innocent like this. It's sickening. My thoughts go out to Blue. Stay strong.

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

worse than mizzy ngl

@majorfender6054

Жыл бұрын

You're not a very good troll then 🥱

@JonclashHq

Жыл бұрын

,,I love trolling''-🤓

@AlleAliasseSchonVergeben

11 ай бұрын

@@JonclashHq ,,🤓'' -🤓

@LegoGoblin

10 ай бұрын

@@JonclashHq we do a little bit of trolling

FYI, if someone from EU doxes you, you can sue them. It is illigal here.

@acid_sp1der

Жыл бұрын

cool

tom dark the type of guy to say "excuse my laugh" and then cackle like a goblin

Trolling is one thing, intentionally trying to ruin someone’s life by lying about something they did is another. The internet and social media has made people too comfortable with being pieces of shit. Sadly, Blue doesn’t really have any solid material for an actual case to succeed.

@Shadow-yd5ix

10 ай бұрын

All of this would have been avoid had twitter actually enforced their ToS about harassment and hate speech. But since Elon owns it, you can harass any trans person you want and face no punishment from twitter. Which is upsetting because many of us just want to be online and connect with others without having to be targets of PoS like Valid Ls. I've legit reported people making threats of violence against trans people just being trans and twitter tells me that nothing was wrong with the tweets. If that doesn't tell you how twitter views us, then I don't know what will.

@sharpshootersosa0856

8 ай бұрын

Yoooo scissor seven!!!!

One screenshot of (fake, but unknown to be) messages to their father and he cuts off contact from them immediately? Seems like he was looking for an excuse... Edit: People pointed out later in the video they had history with their dad, I made the comment before I saw that, sorry 😅

@saucecollector

Жыл бұрын

shit id do the same imma be real

@Lilly-cb2bl

Жыл бұрын

w dad

@AsadAbbasi-ss4bh

Жыл бұрын

i mean theyre probably boomers that dont use the internet much or have any idea of how things can be faked. i wouldnt say thats really indicative of anything

@biz117

Жыл бұрын

not really, anybody would do that to be honest, how would he know its fake

@Traflaw534

Жыл бұрын

14:56

its genuinely disgusting that someone would contact her PARENTS about this lie. if this was done to any other normal female influencer there would be an uproar, but since that she's a furry (and trans), people dont care or assume she 'deserved it'. what a horrible world we live in.

@ItzPubby

11 ай бұрын

The uploader literally said they hate furries. Dunno why you're here looking at someones opinion that clearly never through a lawyer and has ZERO understanding of the law.

@andreewersonst

11 ай бұрын

id like to add on a recent fortnite video (i play fortnite) someone commented that they hate anime collabs (fortnite is getting jujutsu kaisen soon) so i responded "stop whining switch games oh wait the fortnite community is bad cuz they believe racism nazisim sexual harassment sexual assault sexualphobic behaviour and MANY bad things to be fun and jokes" people were MAD for that and attacked me so i openly admitted to be a gay male weeby german furry (which triggered them further) and they fought me thru arguement to arguement with me always winning since none of them wanted to prove me wrong or explain anything whenever i asked for it (to add i got over 19000 party royale matches i have A TON of stories so if any want one just ask) back to the current line i am still being attacked by people for that and i always answer now "u got 19k pr matches and saw it all? nah? prove me wrong then" instant drop and dead silence gotta love how disgusting self centered and egotist people get and instantly ghost u if u cant be beaten by them i added that humanity is failing and id rather be my fursona to which i got hate from the haters which i simply responded with "my bad haters a furry helped develop the covis vaccine what yall doin? if furries dropped their work bye bye wifi thats how many work in IT, atleast 25% of all military are furries who wanna get the serving money for their fursuit cuz it costs between 3000 and 20000 bucks" "eeeh u wrong/false/ur a furry u got no opinion" "ok prove me wrong oh wait google it an be surprised" dead silence cuz they cant win like wtf they trying? furry haters wanna cosplay as hunters or soldiers wanting to shoot furries aka committing manslaugher murder (and warcrimes for the soldier ones) of a hobby and cosplay "eeeh being a furry and cosplaying are diffrent" "kk lemme cosplay as the furry character blaidd from elden ring oh look cosplaying as a furry" "eh if u like cosplaying as a furry u got no life" "oh didnt u say cosplaying and being a furry are diffrent suddenly it fits together" dead silence 200 IQ of the haters sry for the paragraph hope this gives some insight on how bad the haters can get

@andreewersonst

11 ай бұрын

adding btw! my brother works for the bundeswehr (basically military and he trained me in stealth and scouting so i know how hard the military training just for these 2 is and lemme tell ya ITS HARD AS HELL) and then seeing these haters wanting to act as soldiers without knowledge of how hard it is to be trained and then the serving by actually killing others to protect ur homeland they will never understand how hard it is or will be but haters be acting high mighty and as always being better but this person here did a video on this he doesnt like furries but doesnt downgrade them either he is going neutral and exposes both sides so im quite ok this such u dont gotta like furries or love furries even if ur an anti furry (i have an anti furry friend) when a furry approaches u simply tell them "im sorry i dont like furries could u leave me alone?" (my anti fur friend and this are his words! "idc what u furries do idc how kinky yall get leave me alone with that shit and we good") most furries will understand and just leave u alone

@DoggyBingBong

8 ай бұрын

Bluefolf literally covers himself and shit and gets off to it

@tuxtitan780

8 ай бұрын

​@DoggyBingBong I'm gonna assume that isn't true, because you just made a statement which is seemingly completely random. But even if it was, how is that anything more than weird? It's not morally wrong to do, it's just weird and (frankly) disgusting. IF that's true, which I seriously, seriously doubt, because obviously people have no problem making up stuff about this person, why is it a bad thing, and how does it speak to their character?

the amount of commitment and consistency tom has in all of his accounts is admirable and honestly impressive, good job tom!:)

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

Factual statement above, very true, more factual than my dad ever being in my life without doing something stupid, very factual.

@ItzPubby

11 ай бұрын

It's a shame that he has no idea how the laws are applied since 99% of shit he said was wrong. Posting a fake image showing someone being a pedophile when you 100% know it's fake is defamation. Literally called a pedo. The fact that L has a audience he knew full well what would happen. Considering he is a troll account, who flocks to trolls? Other trolls. There is 0% chance that L did not think he would start an harassment campaign by sharing false screenshots.

Even if the lawsuit worked and he was forced to never use the internet again nothing would stop someone else from picking up where he left off

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

my totally legal Tula KS23 carbine 4 Gauge/6 gauge shotgun (for legal reasons, I don't actually own a KS23 and I know gun-safety.)

@RUDY-COLEMAN

Жыл бұрын

@@Swelteringheat this person would on ironically trying argue that they fight in favour of human decency and progress and yet they threatened to kill anyone who would even suggest that they are wrong

@politicallyambiguous8424

Жыл бұрын

The only thing a successful lawsuit would have accomplished would have either been him having to pay her a small amount of money or maybe a forced retraction of the statement that she was a sex offender. It certainly wouldn't have stopped him from making more anti-trans sh*tposts, and it certainly would not have banned him from the internet.

@kaipilled

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@Swelteringheat i'm hoping you have that attitude for the furries and not the trolls.

@ItzPubby

11 ай бұрын

"We can't arrest this murder. He'll just be replaced by someone else." You're a dunce dude.

the way tht tom knows all this furry terminology is so fking funny to me

@supergangstamari0

Жыл бұрын

I would say it’s pretty concerning rather than funny

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor

Жыл бұрын

makes you think don't it...

@gagefisher4785

Жыл бұрын

Covering internet weirdos and degens 24/7 does that to a person.

can you IMAGINE being the lawyer on this case?

@BumboLooks

Жыл бұрын

More money and zero fucks given. That's all they care about. The more stupid unnecessary cases, the better it is for them.

@daveeyes

9 ай бұрын

It would definitely be an eye opener.

@Svoorhout85

5 ай бұрын

Think of the things theyll have to say without irony in court. Also, think of the stenographer who has to type everything down.

UPDATE: video of this freak is out of him taking a dump on a plate

And this is why twitter is the cesspit of the internet and I don't go on twitter. Some of the stuff from twitter is funny, but the majority is idiocy, bigotry and politically motivated aggression.

@zcik

Жыл бұрын

fr

@eugenekrabs141

Жыл бұрын

interesting you said "idiocy" and "bigotry and politically motivated agression" seperately

I hope this does go to court and is televised snd we get to see a jury of nornies be shown all the weird furry stuff on Twitter

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor

Жыл бұрын

god if they did they'd outlaw furries... now that im thinking about it, yeah... that sounds cool

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

@@SomeOrdinaryJanitor I'm moving you to crossing-guard duty, sorry mister janitor, this ain't it.

@MyouKyuubi

Жыл бұрын

LMAO, i love the way your mind works, dude, i'd love to see that too... Just the reaction of the jury of normies just going "What the fck am i looking at? ಠ_ಠ"! xD

The line you were trying to remember is called Hanlon's Razor. It usually goes "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

@BumboLooks

Жыл бұрын

When it comes to online autism amongst a fandom of furries ( autistic zoophilia ), it is always malice and they are always psychopaths.

@MyouKyuubi

Жыл бұрын

@@BumboLooks Well, that's a take i haven't seen before... "Autistic people are evil", wow, it's certainly a hot take, though, i'll give you that! xD

@BumboLooks

Жыл бұрын

@@MyouKyuubi A very hot take since the consensus right now is that autism is a gift and autistics are protected minorities who think the whole universe revolves around them. That makes the old 8chan takedown funny because it was populated almost entirely by autistic males.

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor

Жыл бұрын

@@BumboLooks based take. Zoophilia is probably one of the most heinous crimes one could commit.

@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother

10 ай бұрын

@@BumboLooks Yea dude 100% of the furry twitter population is fu cking animals xD With autism xD Theres more malic in your comment than there is on twitter in general xD

Tom is the only guy who gives me the drama I didn’t know I needed to know about.

First thing I thought after seeing furry and lawsuit was that RubenSim was getting sued by furries after what he did in twitter

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

bros got the U-boot/U-boat sawfish decal

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor

Жыл бұрын

@@Swelteringheat you just lookin' for reasons to rag on people lol, i like your style.

Just a reminder that ValidLs's critics have tried to dox him at least three times BEFORE this drama happened.

@user-uj4dr4tw4o

Жыл бұрын

everybody needs to stop bruh the internet is so fucked

@alguemanonimo6854

11 ай бұрын

That's not drama is only a jerk acting like a jerk

@laika5707

10 ай бұрын

@@user-uj4dr4tw4oNah nah. He should be doxed. We need to start bringing consequences for people who ruin lives and mental healths.

@chemistryofquestionablequa6252

10 ай бұрын

Including doxxing an innocent kid

@tuxtitan780

8 ай бұрын

What does that prove tho. That the internet fucking sucks and is full of hypocrits? Because I didn't realize that wasn't common knowledge if so lol

am racist

@limeyell0w945

Жыл бұрын

like with cars? thats so cool

@_WalterWhite

Жыл бұрын

Guys i rap songs which means im a rapist 🕶️🕶️🕶️😎😎😎

@Badookum

Жыл бұрын

Yo same! What's your favourite car?

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor

Жыл бұрын

YOOOOO I LOVE NASCAR TOO!!!

@bigsmokes2708

Жыл бұрын

@@Badookumlambrojini

I wish Tom dark would colab with turkey tom they give of an energy that would make the best video frfr

@JewelWildmoon

Жыл бұрын

My dumbass thought this was Turkey Tom's 2nd account. Or is it? I'm out of the loop with commentary KZreadrs.

@DollarInTheWoods

Жыл бұрын

@@JewelWildmoon you are correct he is joking

@JewelWildmoon

Жыл бұрын

@@DollarInTheWoods Ah

Real conversation I heard before. “I am a furry.” “I am not a furry.” Idk why but it was funny to me

"Doxxing is legal" Hell nah it ain't It is more illegal than punching an old grandma im the face

Hanlon's razor says, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Which I believe is what he was referring to at 19:55

I remember scrolling through Twitter and seeing all of this and people keep saying it was a scam and no one is getting their money back and it hasn’t even been the time for it to be refunded

Pulling up to a court in a fursuit would of been funny though, however the court might of kicked her out for the rancid smell

@maxi5208

Жыл бұрын

him

@chainsawplayin

Жыл бұрын

him

@quaygrass6212

Жыл бұрын

@@maxi5208 based

@noyoucantsaythat

Жыл бұрын

​@@chainsawplayinbbbbbbased

@fvjisinferno207

Жыл бұрын

😂 smell of his bussy

This whole video sums up to, "Who gives a sh*t?"

Off topic, and i know you have to play the game. But, it drives me up a wall that these days we have to censor certain words to "protect" people. Curse words, yeah maybe per your choice but the others is just plain stupid.

Sometimes I am surprise how young this people are, I was at university when I was 19, almost no interaction online beacuse of work, and yet all this people found a way to destroy everything in so many ways

Make a LEGO video tom please

@ginosluxmusic

Жыл бұрын

Fax

@saucecollector

Жыл бұрын

real

@Lord_Of_Eggs

Жыл бұрын

Lego is pretty cool

@thedraftingax5963

Жыл бұрын

That’d be awesome I love LEGOs

@watergoose8305

Жыл бұрын

@@thedraftingax5963 it’s LEGO, not LEGOS

Twitter could be held liable. For the 47 protection you can't moderate the content and Twitter does some very heavy moderating of content. So there is a case for Twitter to be held liable.

I feel bad for blue as she didn’t deserve this in the first place. I agree with most statements in the video. I don’t think blue is a scammer I just think she could’ve took care of the situation differently. Valid Ls definitely shouldn’t even be doing this in the first place but there’s not much we can do about it.

@ogbobbyjohnson7788

Жыл бұрын

She? You mean he im so tired of all this fairy bs. You cannot magically change your biological gender

@katzu_wu3392

Жыл бұрын

@@ogbobbyjohnson7788 bro, f off, you dont know how it feels to not like your body, she doesn't feel good as a male, and she isn't hurting anyone by being trans, and also, you can change your biological gender, just gotta use a bit of science and money

Doxxing is a Crime in several states. however in the remaining states they can be charged with something called Menacing by Stalking. So depending on your prosecutor, Yes, you can be tried for doxing.

Why is it everytime a furry takes their costume off they look exactly like I assume they do?

@H3XED_OwO

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a superpower a character from the "The Boys" will have lmao.

@plazmatter

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@lo0nyt0onz

Жыл бұрын

@@H3XED_OwO I'm dead lmfao

@visionarypill9202

Жыл бұрын

Well because many furries share similar traits and childhood trauma. Most actions that are the same throughout childhood lead to the same characteristic changes in the individual.

@lo0nyt0onz

Жыл бұрын

@VisionaryPill childhood trauma comes in many many forms. That happens to be my wheel house and my line of work. This has hints of self identity problems, social problems, anxioty, addiction and unhealthy and unsafe practices. Trauma gets you to the door, society opens it.

Learning the qualifiers for defamation cases was not what i planned at 1 am, and I'm not mad about it

Oh i remember seeing the og sueing tweet, theres no way any court was gonna pick up twitter drama

Father found out? Great. Now more people gonna make fun of them f or being "fatherless"

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

Ironic considering their fathers are possibly worse than my father, and mines bad. I feel pity on people who do that.

I just dont get how people can respect someone's "opinions" when they literally go against a whole communitys existence and safety and rights. Those "opinions" can cause so much harm, they shouldn't be respected and allowed to circulate.

@boogaloobender3462

Жыл бұрын

Stay away from the children groomer

@kracko1367

Жыл бұрын

@@boogaloobender3462 become an hero

@katzu_wu3392

Жыл бұрын

who are you talking about here ?

someone pray for Tom's mic. he forgot the filters, I can hear that thing rumbling

2:00 Yeah im suprised people gave Valid Ls attention for that tweet. Thats all he thrives off of

18:56 the problem with that is twitter is so understaffed that they no longer have anyone to respond to subpoenas

I don't understand these popufur accounts in general sometimes, im not sure how they generate such a large community of fans, but its usually young folk who follow them which is easy for some creeps to abuse. Sadly a lot of people will believe this stuff. faking someones grooming and shit is disgusting

Let’s just face it there’s no saving furrys

@TsovoaLevone

Жыл бұрын

…

I love that message you put at the end. People need to quit just assuming every mistake someone made is evil and ask if maybe they were mistaken or just did something dumb. Or at least find evidence it was intentional before jumping to cancelling.

@Catalyst_Comet

Жыл бұрын

That’s very true, but there needs to be a point where these aren’t harmless mistakes and someone legitimately going out of their way to be malicious, and ValidL’s has crossed that limit a WHILE ago.

Furries on Twitter and Facebook are cancer. This is coming from a furry. Also thanks for taking a rational stance on this despite your dislike for furries man. Props Tom.

@j.k.4479

Жыл бұрын

People on twitter and facebook are a cancer.

Bluewolf is not a "female". They are a male.

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

Average eastern european level of respect, 36%

I just farted so hard my back cracked

@SteamHyenaz

Жыл бұрын

Proof?

@moldysshoe8639

Жыл бұрын

You Are a National Hero sir

@_WalterWhite

Жыл бұрын

Very informative ❤️❤️❤️

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor

Жыл бұрын

i salute you, sir!

The adage you were thinking of was Hanlon’s Razor: never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity.

love the Saul Goodman type law lesson you gave us at 12:30 - 16:16

@Averydude1

Жыл бұрын

We better call saul for this

Fursuit in a Lawsuit. *An Unexpected Elf On A Shelf*

UPDATE: Bluefolf stole approximately half of the gofundme donations and blew it all on a new fursuit & a trip to FWA. Another day, another furry scam. Puppychan 2.0 lmao

craziest part: Hezbollah got involved on this drama, and they address about their involvement against BlueFlof. But I'm not 100% sure about this involvement of Hezbollah on drama

@Kozioljoao

Жыл бұрын

What

@_WalterWhite

Жыл бұрын

What

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor

Жыл бұрын

what's that? more people i don't know and don't care about.

@PatroitSongChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@SomeOrdinaryJanitor glad, you didn't care about it, more you know, more regret you Will.

@gambroneyumike869

Жыл бұрын

​@@PatroitSongChannel oh man really? don't tell me i can already feel how it went

You sure you didn't mean to post this to the main channel? The editing on this is one is really good

Okay I hate furries but jeez, getting a minor doxxed is crazy. I thought ValidL's knew right from wrong. Sure I can sometimes be a little homophobic and furryphobic but I genuinely think a person apart of lgbtq, furry community, or even IS a furry should NEVER be harassed like this. I feel bad for Blue to be honest, and I might even start supporting him. Depends.

@H3XED_OwO

Жыл бұрын

"Furryphobic" 💀

@Wuuuxy

Жыл бұрын

"furryphobic" LMAO, I couldn't imagine hating a hobby other people do so much that people have a term for hating it now

@plazmatter

Жыл бұрын

Blue isnt a minor

@theboulder3613

Жыл бұрын

1, furryphobic isn't real, second, Blue is a grown ass man.

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

@@theboulder3613 And this giant rock hasn't likely read the bible if they can't read two sentences.

When a Tom Dark video has a furry on the thumbnail, you know its going to be a good one.

I watched this all happen live on twitter and the speed of that 180 was incredible.

ValidL’s also made fun of 3 people dying and made fun of someone’s failed suicide attempt

@deadmemes21

Жыл бұрын

Why am I not surprised?

@chud21

Жыл бұрын

common W

@acid_sp1der

Жыл бұрын

@@chud21 how is making fun of death a w? also validL’s/Ivan continued to apologize for doing it

@chud21

Жыл бұрын

@@acid_sp1der >ivan ofc it's a russian lmao

As a far right republican Ima say this valids L needs to be taken there so stupid and ridiculous sorry your going through this I pray life goes better for her

@chemistryofquestionablequa6252

10 ай бұрын

There's no such thing as a "far right republican", they're technically center left by objective political standards. The only people who think Republicans are "far right" are those who listen to CNN and MSNBC or worse. Sincerely, someone who is actually "far right".

Hanlon's Razor:“never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” I'm always giving people the benefit of the doubt by calling them idiots instead of assholes.

19:52 "never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity" that is the quote you were looking for.

“She” “her “

I swear, there is no such thing as a strong case for Defamation. If I was a lawyer I would NEVER take on a case that only had the charge of defamation. It is one of the hardest things to sue for. You have to prove intent and that the person behind the defamation knew for a fact that what they were saying isn't true. This is why defamation is most often brought up in court cases when there are multiple charges to put against someone instead of defamation on its own. Someone could have what they consider strong evidence of defamation, however, there are just too many issues with it. I know that at least in the United States, when going to court something has to be proven without doubt which is difficult to do in anything that is he said/she said situations. You can claim that someone had the intent to defame you, but that's not enough. And if the Jury or judge can't be one hundred percent convinced of intent, if there is even a small hint of doubt, then the case technically can't be won. If you're suing for defamation, it's best as just one charge out of multiple or at least two. Make sure the other charge is strong enough, because defamation on its own is going to be one hell of a thing trying to prove.

I remember following blue since a bit before coming out because i thought it was someone else's account, never paid too much attention afterward and the last thing i saw was one of the tweets about the lawsuit only to forget about it probably the same day. it resurfaced in my feed like a few days before this video and i was confused af on what was going on lmao

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

This guys personally protected by my god, boys, tread lightly on sacred ground before raging at this unecessarily.

editing looking sharp

is there atleast one furry,who isnt consumed by nswf roleplay,degenerate adult content and who doesnt have a rainbow flag in place of personality?

@Swelteringheat

Жыл бұрын

@@SpidaMez Rocky moment.

@terrariums.

Жыл бұрын

Bro I have a friend who is a furry and he’s literally asexual - don’t think he’s gonna be in any nsfw roleplay anytime soon lmao

@onemanarmy2electricboogalo687

Жыл бұрын

​@@terrariums. i doubt it

@stripes1043

Жыл бұрын

Kitwana Lion, Kijani Lion, and Xusho Wolf. Yeah there’s not a lot

@dorugoramon0518

Жыл бұрын

I think there was a group of them called the burned furs or something I heard about in some random documentary on the creatures. Not sure if they still exist.

Re: the legality of doxxing, it's legal because most of the time the people being doxxed shared that info themselves and can no longer consider it private/personal information. People use their real names online, share the city or state they live in, or even talk about the company they work for by name. All the public info found as a result of what you share is perfectly legal to share with others as long as there is no call to violence (and yes, those cheeky "I hope nobody does xyz" captions do count as calls to violence). If you only use pseudonyms and go to great lengths to hide your ID online but you get doxxed anyway, that could be considered illegal because you did not want that info to be public.

@ih8theantichrist

Жыл бұрын

Calls to violence are protected by the first amendment Just like it's illegal to say "I'm going to kill the prez" but it's legal to say "someone should kill the prez"

@elrojogrande744

Жыл бұрын

actually its because you have no privacy interest in your adress. the minute a 3rd party gets involved that interest is pretty much forfeit. if it weren't publishing phone books would have been a crime. rekeita law actually did a full explanation of why that is the case but that's the gist.

@chicade4810

Жыл бұрын

@@elrojogrande744 Did someone say that addresses were private info? I'm only seeing your response even though youtube is telling me there's 2🤷‍♀ Anyway yeah your home address is public info, but no one would be able to find your home address if you don't use your IRL name online or share any other identifying information.

@elrojogrande744

Жыл бұрын

@Chica De i was correcting you on why it is not illegal. the reason you gave is actually incorrect from the legal perspective. its not illegal because you have no privacy interest in your adress, not because you would have to reveal other information for it to be found. thats not how the law works.

@chicade4810

Жыл бұрын

@@elrojogrande744 I never said that was illegal so 🤷‍♀

As a furry for over 15 years, I NEVER understood why furs would want to get big or popular. This shit is crazy. The drama isn't worth it. You can be a fur and not be the target for fake accusations if you just act like a decent person and not an attention craving you know what.

@thisisobviouslybait

11 ай бұрын

act like a decent person or be a furry... you can only chose one as they are mutually exclusive

@vertibirdfpv

11 ай бұрын

@@thisisobviouslybait Na, not true honestly. I have met plenty in my life that were beyond decent, truly. I know it's not a common perception and you are completely in the right to your opinion.

@ItzPubby

11 ай бұрын

Remember, just because harassment slowed down doesn't mean people don't still harass and attack furries for no reason. Also, everyone should have the right to push for public fame, just becuase you're a furry shouldn't change that, we got rights you know. Absolutely no one should be sharing doctored screenshots making you out as a pedophile. ValidL KNEW what he was doing. He KNEW his community and he KNEW what kind of havoc it'll cause.

@palletblossom1882

9 ай бұрын

@@thisisobviouslybait yup and that's why there has been multiple shootings at furry based events where kids, innocent parents, and normal everyday people were attending. Sounds like completely "decent person" behavior to me. People like you make me sick, you completely disregard actual hate crimes by "decent people". Do better.

@dryfox11

8 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@palletblossom1882And there have been multiple shootings in schools and in churches. Does the education system make you sick? Does the religious aspect of the church make you sick? No, because that would be a stupid thing to say. So why does one psychopath with a gun immediately make you “sick” of an entire community? As you have stated, i’ll tell you. Do better. Don’t be a blind hate filled narcissist.

'Caught with their pants down, tail between their legs' I don't know if you said it on purpose but this line being in a vid about furries killed me

3:18 that has got to be one of the most messed up things i have ever seen. Imagine getting a text like that from your dad. It baffles me how awful people can be. Like what do you gain from this? A high? A short rush? Clout? Your not really gaining anything. If anything you're losing something.

Turkey Tom the type of guy to float in the air towards a pie left on a windowsill

It's wild that you have to play make believe and give in to other people's delusions so that you don't get punished on yt. Mega sad

@philodemic

Жыл бұрын

he really doesn’t have to. he didn’t use chris-chan’s “preferred” pronouns at any point in his 3 hr video. just an excuse so his audience doesn’t get mad at him lol

@potatomongrel

11 ай бұрын

You do that everyday with people and their religions wether you want to or not.

Defamation doesn’t put you in jail because the only reason it’s a thing it to regain lost wages from the defaming incident

@JellyWhopper

Жыл бұрын

It'll be on their public record. They may not go to jail but it'll follow you for the rest of your life.

I think it's telling that ValidLs didn't apologize/say they didn't know. They didn't deny engaging in defamation.

9:40 The irony of Tom talking about believing false accusation.

@kracko1367

Жыл бұрын

FYI, pyro knew ivory was 16 and still continued roleplaying with them. This is a fact many people forget.

@bingbong6899

Жыл бұрын

@@kracko1367 lmao keep coping with being wrong, maybe do some research bud

@kracko1367

Жыл бұрын

​@@bingbong6899 kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y3dktcWkhtSuYso.html I think you're a little bit confused my friend. The cope is absolutely on you.

@woffyreal

Жыл бұрын

@@kracko1367 he proceeds to state directly after that 16 is above the age of consent for both people. weird? yeah. criminal? Not really

@kracko1367

Жыл бұрын

​@@woffyreal Age of consent is completely irrelevant when it comes to sxting. This is an extremely common misconception.

i enjoyed the editing for this vid tbh, very calm

They would never win this in court. With the current information out there, theres no possible way. 200k in lawyers wouldn't win this...

>she >her

@SomeOrdinaryJanitor

Жыл бұрын

well he certainly isn't helping himself look the part

People on Twitter are in lala land because they are really upset the lawsuit didn’t happen and think they gave up on it out of “pressure”. When they’re literally nothing they can do legally to win against Valid L and to even payback damages.

"You should not attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence." Or something like that.

I got to watch this drama unfold live myself, and I must say this actually is a pretty great objective look into the drama

The words I wanted together in one sentence. Perfect.