I am a pretty heavy-duty hobbyist, detail-oriented, and I really enjoy doing homework before making a purchase. I have watched at least 30-40 videos (plus googling, etc.) and your video is DEAD ON with what I have learned, eg larger 2.5” hose, more hp (if your electrical service allows you to take advantage of it), better connectors and filters, tape to extend boot, etc. Your one video will replace TONS of research others might do on this topic. Very well done - topic content, delivery, concise. I am a new follower!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

Ай бұрын

Thanks Keith🍻

@starseeddeluxe

Ай бұрын

You NEED a bag in the vacuum. All shop vacs, including the Rigid vacuums, have optional bags. You don't need a blue filter. But you need a filter bag. You can re-use the filter bag by carefully cutting it open with scissors, empty it out (while wearing a respirator outdoors) then tape it back up with duct tape, and the tape holds just fine, and doesn't leak at all. The difference between a bag, and no bag, is 50% more suction with the bag in. The suction never goes down, AT ALL with a filter bag, and the filter never gets clogged ever. Combining a blue HEPA filter with the filter bag, would be the ideal solution. (If you don't have a cyclone separator). You don't need a cyclone if you can just afford to use the filter bags.

The shop vac bags are the way to go. Keeps everything so clean.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

I agree.

Maybe one day I'll get to worry about air quality. Right now all my table saw and miter saw cuts are made in my driveway. 😂

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Always a good option… that way you always have the sun getting in your eyes as an excuse🍻😂

@sociopathmercenary

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheFunnyCarpenter Not likely in Ohio! LOL

@corylohanlon

Ай бұрын

​@@sociopathmercenaryalmost 100% of mine, as well. I'm in Cleveland. Sometimes I have to wait until another day due to weather, but for a DIY'er it's really not that big of a deal. I always have something else that needs done, anyway. At the very least I open up the garage door & angle the dust outside. I'm not ever doing 100 cuts, though. If I do a dozen it's noteworthy.

@starseeddeluxe

Ай бұрын

The cost and difficulty of dust collection is enormous. You have to engineer your entire shop to have proper dust mitigation. It is easier for most people to just go outside, and sweep up when they are done. There appears to be an infinite complexity to dust control, where you can spend the rest of your life designed cyclone separators, and hose systems and ductwork. I am jealous of people who have devoted years and years of time to their dust collection system, because it's not exactly easy getting all your major tools setup with full dust collection.

Hope you heal up fully soon. Just found your channel and have gone through some of your back catalog being under the weather myself today. As a multi-decade Trim and Remodeling/ Restoration carpenter I see we're mostly on the same page. You're for real, not some perfectionist who tells you that you ain't spit unless you buy the latest greatest expensive tools they recommend, nor some clown who recommends patches as fixes which KZread is full of. So you just gained a subscriber and I'm going to recommend you to friends and associates. ATB to you!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

Ай бұрын

Thanks buddy always nice to hear from a fellow chippie 🍻

@P_RO_

Ай бұрын

@@TheFunnyCarpenter Chippie... I always tell people that a Carpenter's job is mainly to create sawdust. The things we create in the process are just a nice side-effect 🤣

This is one of the most comprehensive and practical video I’ve seen on the subject! And I’ve seen quite a few!

Changing to using bags was the best improvement I’ve done. My filter was always clogged reducing suck and cleaning the filter made more dust than the job. I also added the separator so I didn’t use as many bags. But I use short bigger hoses than the one that came with the shop vac. It’s still smallish and portable. 2 years ago I bought the Bosch axial glide. No DIY fixes helped much because the OEM shute doesn’t move with the saw and was too far back. Adding the Shop Nation upgrade made a huge improvement. This setup gets almost all the fine stuff. Only small amount of larger chips that can bounce out now escape.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Yes that’s a great solution for axial glide! I remember using my friends for a video and thinking who in the hell designed this dust collection.

@agcons

2 ай бұрын

I did the same thing, and while the bags for mine where I live are CAD $10 each which makes my cheap bastard soul flinch a little, the filters are a lot more expensive. I was replacing the filter every third time I emptied the tank before; now I've gone through several bags and the filter is barely discoloured. Overall, it still beats a $1200 HEPA dust extractor, so my soul feels a little better. 😂

Get well soon brother ! I did all my doors and trim doors perfectly thanks to you ! A big thanks ! By the way if you have a tip to hide the nail holes when you are not painting, that would be great. I already bought several wood fillers in order to mix them and match the color of the wood as much as I can... Let's cross the fingers

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thanks buddy, glad to hear the job turned out nice! Are we talking wood trims? Best bet is to test out a few option and see how they dry. There’s always those stain pens with finish you can get at the Home Depot- those can help with the blending.

@diabolox1272

2 ай бұрын

@@TheFunnyCarpenter you are the one ! I'm gonna try to be better than my kids with their drawings.... I know... It's not that hard 🤣

@jasonw9277

Ай бұрын

Timbermate makes an awesome line of colored- dry hard- wood fillers

Thank you for sharing. I'm getting ready to set up my first garage shop and I've been thinking about solving the dust collection problem for my DeWALT miter saw.

He said crippled old man 🤣😂, welcome to the club!!!

I use the same exact setup with my miter saw and table saw, cyclone w/5gal bucket for table saw only, run all ridgid tools and their vac hoses are fully compatible with their saws, love it!

Great tips. Sorry to hear about your injury, hope you heal quickly. Thanks for the upload.

I started using my shop vac on site when trimming homes. It makes a HUGE difference in how I feel at the end of the day from not breathing in sawdust.

Bought a Hitachi (now Metabo HPT) sliding miter saw a few years ago, which has a larger dust port. A two inch hose cuff from a 6 HP Ridgid HD1400 fits perfectly. I use both a filter bag and the blue fine particle filter. This setup captures a lot more dust and chips than the earlier setup - an OLD non-sliding miter saw with 1.5” port and an OLD shopvac with 1 1/4” hose. However, dust still goes EVERYWHERE. I much prefer to work with the doors open and a fan blowing. Last year I also came into possession of my father’s old Craftsman radial arm saw, and a 2HP HF dust collector. Currently working on installation of the DC. Plan to install the miter saw and RAS side by side, with cabinets to right and left - essentially a “miter station”. Fisher’s Shop published a video on KZread in which he built what is essentially an auxiliary fence with dust collection, which appeared to work quite well, and has been copied by a number of others, with good results, so I plan to try that. There are also a few videos showing how to build better dust collection for the RAS. These are essentially very similar, ie, a box (with a dust port) at the fence captures the vast majority of dust particles and chips coming off the blade. Again this approach seems to work very well. In both cases, this approach has one limitation - it works for 90 degree cuts. For each miter and bevel, a different “box” would be needed, something most of us will not bother with. However, if I was making a LOT of cuts at the same angle, it might be worth it, similar to swapping the zero clearance insert. Enjoyed your video. Thank-you! Good luck with the injury.

Practical and cost-efficient advice for that saw dust generator. Thanks for making this video.

Great tips, tricks and advice. Stuff that really works and matters.

Double end Rubber plumbing connection adapters With ring clamps can really help adapting to those miter saw dust outlets (and others)

@walnutcontractors5661

Ай бұрын

You talking furnco or something else?

Noticing the increased production quality on your videos but still the same practical content. Awesome!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

Ай бұрын

Thanks buddy I appreciate you noticing🍻

@MatSmithLondon

Ай бұрын

​@@TheFunnyCarpenter Yeh that shot with you sitting next to the saw (after the injury!) was very nicely setup, you can really see the effort that went into getting focus looking lovely there. (Also helps having a nice lens, eh?) Somehow very sharp, but also creamy smooth.

Thank you. I hope your injury heals soon

Thanks for a very thorough video, brilliantly explained. I particularly liked the illustration of the difference between internal and external hose connection - it was actually quite shocking.

Great video. One thing I have found as well is that the bags slightly decrease suction as well. But they are so worth the loss you take in my opinion. And these dust issues happen with every saw! I couldn’t believe how little if any, that my dust collection improved after upgrading to a Kapex.

Wow this is a very helpful video. I will be changing my dust collection setup, I’m guilty of jamming a small hose into the saw and using my cyclone setup. Thank you for the very informative and helpful content.

I hacked a diy vortex collector together using a couple of home Depot buckets. I appreciate seeing how much it can reduce the air speed, which is something I've been concerned about. Cheers! 🍻

Using duct tape for the dust shroud is a great idea! I'm going to have to try that. FYI... The dust port on the back of the mitre saw is Dewalt's AirLock system. If you want a perfect fit, go buy the DWV9000 Universal Adapter and screw it on to any 1-1/4 inch hose.

I had a 50' hose for a pool vacuum and build a little dust vortex collector as a prefilter. I found that automotive vacuum / intake rubber connectors are cheap compared to shop vac specific branded ones and made it really easy to do non reducing connections on all of my tools. The pre filter actually has the additional benefit of being able to easily disengage the shop vac from the system. Otherwise I put a pool skimmer sock on the shop vac filter and it seems like I keep the dust down in my garage shop.

Thank you! I will be implementing all your tips.

Showing up with real numbers. Thank you! Great video.

Thanks for the video, useful to know about the DD not being appropriate for all tools. Wishing you a speed recovery from the Achilles. Strained my hips last year and then needed 6-8 weeks of rest, after not resting them properly for a month after injury. Longest recovery I've ever had and sarcopenia is no joke when you're laid up for weeks.

Thank you! Really helpful.

Nice video. I can understand the Achilles thing. I’m a runner and ultra endurance bicycle guy and have had three Achilles surgeries during the last six years. The first surgery included four anchors to reattach my achilles. I started running again and pulled two of the anchors out twelve months later. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Yep, a boned headed move. Wait for it. 🙅🏾‍♂️ I rode my bicycle 7,000 miles in 2022 and had surgery #3 in December of 2022. At least that one was only to clean up scar tissue. I learned the hard way to be very very very careful. My woodshop is a safe haven these days with my three dust collection systems. (Oh yeah, I’m an asthmatic too).

@TheFunnyCarpenter

Ай бұрын

Ouch!!!

Another gold nugget here, many thanks!

There are a number of folks on Etsy and elsewhere who sell 3D-printed dust collection upgrades for most miter saws. I went with one from Travis over at the Shop Nation KZread channel and it works incredibly well.

This is awesome! Thanks for the detailed analysis!

Such a good breakdown!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

Ай бұрын

Thanks buddy, I enjoyed your videos on the subject as well🍻

As always, things I didn’t know I needed to know!! 👍🏼🙂

Very informative and important information!

Well analyzed, sir! Thank you!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching🍻

I do tinker with the miter saw dust collection. My favourite method on an xgt that has 2 dust collection points is to run a vacuum to each port. It really does wonders.

Very helpful! Hope you’re back on both feet soon!

Wow, love the comprehensive analysis backed up by data. Great content, new subscriber

Outstanding analysis, nice work!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thank you kindly!

From one old man to another, good job. I do about the same stuff you recommended. It’s a constant battle.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Cheers 🍻

Great vid 👍 I use a cloth filter over top of the pleated filter to catch finer dust particles, don't know how much CFM I lose though, if any.

This was great!! Thanks !

Old man cant jump, my favorite film. Great information 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Maybe in a couple years🥹

What a fantastic video! Thank you

Thanks for the video! I hope your leg gets better soon

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thanks buddy, thanks for checking out the vid🍻

I love the idea of the air quality meter. I'm buying one for sure. Also, fantastic information and a super high quality video. Hope you heal up fast!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Travis, I got a good laugh from your Inspector vid, that was pretty funny!

@HowIDoThingsDIY

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheFunnyCarpenter I appreciate that!

🇦🇺 Hello. Sorry to hear about your injury. Thamks for the great information.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Maria, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!

'I tore my achilles playing basketball with my son'... every aging fathers worst fear! Hope for a good recovery. This video is super helpful. I really need to be less lazy and just hook up the damn vacuum.

This is one of the most educational videos ever! The wind speed tests are so eye opening. I have a kind suggestion. For future videos could you rate all your tools based on "Amps" of the motor? Amps are an appropriate and important measurement, because some people don't even have enough power to run that 6.5 HP vacuum. The "HP" number on most modern electrical machines seem to be a random number, without any meaning. For the RIDGID 40108 vacuum, I think it has 12 Amps.

@paulyeomans1065

Ай бұрын

Just to add that it's probably better to measure power in Watts. On 110VAC, your 12Amp appliance is rated at 1.2kW, which would be only 5A on a 240VAC system that most of Europe uses. HP might have made sense in the steam age, but it's not much use when talking about electrically powered machinery.(edit to add, unless you can do the conversion from HP to W - 746W to be precise). That said, you're right about HP on electrical appliances being a seeming random number - 6.5HP is getting on for 5kW it would draw almost 50A at 110VAC - that's more than my dediacted 240vAC cooker outlet can handle!) Regarding filtration, a tip I have seen is to use a pool filter mesh bag over the paper filter. It probably doesn't reduce the particulate emissions, but it stops your paper filter from clogging with fine dust, is easier to clean, and cheaper to throw away, extending the life of your more expensive paper filter.

Very good information! Thank you for sharing! I'm going to buy a vacuum bag.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching 🍻

nice work. And I concur. Gold dust all around.

So good and so needed. I think wood workers are notoriously bad at understanding the health issues from dust inhalation ( I’m certainly not good either!). Thank you, I didn’t get all the numbers and I don’t have a mitre saw, but just ordered my new Dewalt table saw….. any other tips on that would be great. Get super healthy and we’ll soon!

Always enjoy your videos. Get well soon!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

A small note about quoted vacuum hp ratings. A standard wall outlet in the USA provides 15 amps of current. 15 amps x 110 volts = 1650 watts. Being that there are 745 watts in 1 horsepower, 1650 watts = 2.2 horsepower. With that said, any vacuum quoting a hp rating above 2.5hp (2.2hp) that comes with a standard plug is automatically lying.

Great vid. Much appreciated.

Nice video, nice to see how much of a difference all this stuff actually makes. I'm just looking into setting up a little garage workshop. I've been using a shop vac with my saws on site when possible for awhile though. I find plumbing fernco's work well for getting the larger hose to work with the tools (I have the 716 as well). I've been looking into dust collectors as well- any experience with these? One benefit seems to be less noise and also less amperage than a big shop vac, which could be a plus in a rented shop space with limited electrical capacity. The cheaper ones seem to be a couple hundred bucks.

Check your vacuum bags occasionally when using them to make sure they don’t fall off when you’re moving it around, especially as the bag begins to get full. Also, I put some packing tape or duct tape on the side of the bag that faces the filter where the inlet comes in from the hose to prevent rapid erosion.

Excellent video.

As always - great needed content with healthy amount of jokes, but without bs and subscription. I mean, with a subscription, but it's kinda my choice to do. Thank you. PS: Converted to 230 and Dynapatch myself and propheting all my fellows. Thank you again

@TheFunnyCarpenter

Ай бұрын

Thanks buddy I appreciate the support, glad you've found some of the tips usefull

Great info👌

Sorry to hear about you leg. Feel better.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thanks buddy🍻

“I’m trying to sound smarter than I actually am.” You and pretty much everyone else.

Dewalt sells a vacuum connector I bought DWV9000 years ago and it works great

Great information 👍

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thanks John🍻

Great information. HP isn't necessarily the best way to determine the "best" shop vac. There are some comparisons of major brands to look at. Regardless of the brand, the shorter the hose the better.

Welcome back my friend!

I'll definitely need to mod the dust collector of my dewalt saw. The 6.5 hp rigid vacuum sucks the chute flaps in and closes it off. It's too powerful even with the dust separator. But man do I like how clean the separator keeps the filter

Might be worth mentioning auto-start amperage when you connect a vacuum to a high-powered drop saw. I’ve been in discussions with Makita Australia that say some of the smaller vacs simply can’t handle the load.

Yur purdie smart. Smarter den me which is why I watch. Good vid!

Thanks!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thank you very much🍻

Wow, you remind me of me. I crushed my heel and just had surgery on it. I'm walking around in a boot just like you. So I too am now just a crippled old man hobbling around the shop

Do you attach the vacuum bag to the outside exhaust port or do you fit it inside the shop vac? Great video!

What's your advice about purchasing a miter saw for my new position

Before you are able to weight bear (sooner than later I hope), please get an orthotic made to equalize your left foot to the height of the walking cast (or whatever that plastic cast is called) or you may find that your hips etc. will suffer due to the different height of both feet. Good article on dust by the way! Good Luck!

I’m considering a dust shroud, either making my own or amazon! I imagine. They would work the the best in keeping dust contained. Did you consider this option?

Hope your leg gets better soon Mr Funny Carpenter. I have forgotten your name but been watching your channel since 2020. Please forgive my forgetfulness

👍👍👍. Thank you

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching buddy🍻

Great vid as usual; do you prefer an auto switch for the vacuum or manual?

@TheFunnyCarpenter

Ай бұрын

An auto switch is the only way to go!

What was the weight loss after the 100 cuts? I’m curious about the efficiency.

I use a dust deput with a hepa bag without the cartridge filter. It does awesome. The bag never fills up.

What the difference between red and orange shop vac of similar model?

I’d love to know how much my Kapex with CTM MIDI collects.

Interesting math on the Dust Deputy! Great Video! Sorry to see you in a boot! Get well soon!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Buddy🍻

Did you upgrade your camera or lighting? This video looks really good

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for noticing! Same camera but I am learning how to light things better:)

@perniciouspete4986

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheFunnyCarpenter The trick is to be careful where you point the shadows, but I guess you already know that.

My air quality is phenomenal. I just watch people using miter saws on KZread.

This is a good video, people should think about their lungs more (sheet rockers and welders looking your way).

I use a makita sliding mitre saw with a makita dust extractor and there’s still airborne sawdust.( the extraction starts when the mitre saw is started) extra work for me to do when I use it indoors. I need to find a better solution. Any suggestions people

I wonder if the Festool 36mm hose will fit on the outside? Generally speaking, if the 27mm fits an internal connection the 36mm fits the outside.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

lol the bigger hose likely won’t fit without some type of tom foolery.

Festool came out with a reusable bag for their dust extractor.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Very nice🍻

Also, use a shorter length of hose which will reduce restriction and increase air flow.,

I use a fernco coupling for the hose connection. Leaves the duck tape in the dust...so to speak.

May i make a suggestion, please put a false raised heal on the opposite shoe. When you walk in moon boot without raising the other shoe you will be putting a twist on your lower spine/hip area, which will come back to bit you. I broke my Achilles at 66, now in my 70's, suffered with much pain ever since. Interesting that medical people don't explain this to us.

I wonder about the affect of hose length on suction

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

The difference between 5’ and 10’ hoses is very minimal.

BTW... The RT1600 is listed at only 139 CFM on Ridgid's website, while the HD1600 is 161 CFM and seems more readily available at my local HD. I'm seriously considering getting one after watching this video.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

I was definitely not expecting that big of a difference in the air quality. I’ve been using the small 5hp rigid for years.

Bags are way better. I use stock white filter for 3 years now with a bag and get 100% suction and still have a clean filter. Bags are $33 for 10 and amazing.

Also run it through a cyclone separator on a bucket ahead of the vac.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t recommend this for the mitre saw

Good luck with the rehab

I put a hose on my shop vac exhaust and vented it outside. The big stuff is in the vacuum and all that fine dust is outside. And blows into my neighbor's yard, Fisher's Shop. He hasn't caught on yet.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 ай бұрын

Beauty😂

Cheep filter with vaccume bag?