Excellent video on dust collection. This is probably the best one I've seen on youtube. There are so many misleading videos out there that seem to steer people towards these big high flow units with 4" pipe for "real" dust collection, when that is probably totally unnecessary for their home shops, where all of their tools have small ports anyway. A shop vac with a cyclone and a hepa filter is probably fine for most people with small garage shops using typical weekender tools. I had to sort through a lot of videos to figure that out, but yours covered all of the essentials about dust collection in a really concise way. Kudos. I should have watched your video first! It would have saved me a lot of time and research!

I’ve never heard anyone explain dust collection like this. It makes so much more sense now.

There is yet another option for blast gaates. There are several designed for shop-made gates that avoid the problem of dust building up and blocking the sliding part of the gate. I watched a bunch of YT videos, and settled on Jonathan Katz-Moses' design. He sells router templates for making 2-inch or 4-inch. For the most part, I'm happy with this choice.

@7:45 A $20 box fax with an air filter (HEPA or close to it) also works GREAT.

Dust collection is always a great topic to discuss. No matter how many (good) videos I watch I always learn something new. Thanks for sharing!

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome 😁

this is a good video with lots of good info. i have looked into turning the extra stall in my garage to a small workshop. going with flex hose to a 2.5 powertec clear pvc pipe to a dust collector with cyclone filter and a shop vac

Great! Great! Great video explaining all the different types of collection systems. I do use both a shop vac and dust collector depending on which tool I use. Also enjoyed your bit of humor you threw in. Keep up the great work.

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter 🤘

Hola! 🖐I really like how you packed in so much info into a concise presentation. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. Take care and have a good one, Adios!👊

hey my man that without a doubt is one of the best videos I have ever seen on dust collection. I am in the process of swapping to a small central collector. Those auto gates are stupid expensive. I am going to make my own that use a small air cylinder and solenoid to open and close. Amazon sells a $14 dollar sensor that goes on a power cord to activate the solenoid and also turn on my blower. All total It should be around 35 to 40 bucks each. Diy in me always wants to find a cheaper way. we will see. But great video. I just added a 12 in planer to my shop so it is time.

Great video and super informative, thank you!

Interesting. I've always had a small ish shop. When I owned a plainer, Some 4" hose, connected to a 3.5 hp heavily modified shopvac to take that size hose, the vac then sat on top of a cement form 4' tube with a heavy duty big plastic bag on the inside capturing the chips. Worked wonders. In my smaller retirement shop, I have a dust separator, before my 5 hp vac which is on a i-vac box, that hooks to my 2.5" hose for my table saw and router table, with a blast gate to my 1.5" hose with a 27mm ending that is12' long. At the other side of my shop, I have a 1.25" 2 hp bucket shopvac that is portable for the drill press and to clean up in the house when needed from changes made there. The only tool I have a dust collection problem with is the table saw. Been working on that beasty for years, and it still spews sawdust everywhere. BTW, my 20" box fan with a air filter tied to it, captures an amazing amount of in-the-air fine partials. I also replace the filters in my 3M dust mask every year as well. In my old shop, I had 3 different vacuum systems depending on the tools I was using. Example, The plainer and router table got the 4" Frank-in-vac, The miter saw had its own, and everything else used a 4" main to a home built separator with various outlets. that ran down the middle of my shop using grounded PVC pipe. Used a stick to open and close gates as needed. Solved the plastic gate jamming problem by cutting the ends off and putting tape over them. That way when they clogged, I just undid the tape , worked the gate a few times, blow them out with air, and retaped them.

Really excellent tips, Matt! Thanks! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Thanks brother!

Great video! Thank you!

This was a really helpful and informative video! Thanks!

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

What a great video and very timely for me. I've considered going to the stage 1 dust collector but I don't have any tools that have a 4" port. Your tool will tell you. Thanks dude!

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Ha yep!

Loved your video. You explained dust collection in a simple effective manner. Liked the virus joke too.

@Ritalie

Жыл бұрын

This is is the best woodworking channel I've found. They are all good, and all of them have great information. But this channel actually explains the details of things, instead of just assuming that a person is already familiar with the product. I've never seen 50% of the products on KZread channels, because how are we supposed to know about any of these products if we aren't a professional carpenter? The other thing is, for some reason the hosts on other woodworking channels don't come across very friendly. They seem to be too smart for their own good. That's why this channel should be way more popular than the myriad of other East Coast woodworking channels.

Good stuff 👍 Thank you. I would like to see some more luxury gadgets you use. Those blast gates are pretty cool 😎

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Ha! Check out my last shop your video! 🤗

Thank you, Concise and very understandable as well as being balanced .

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words!

I have the 16 gallon Rigid shop vac and it is loud but only because of the exhaust. I ran a hose from the exhaust through the wall to the outside and the decibel level dropped drastically. My ears appreciated it.

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

I added a muffler to my Rigid, which helped a little. Still not as quite as my Festool dust extractor.

Thanks for the fantastic video!

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

,a cool video keep up the great content.. Thank you…..

you can always ground your PVC with ground strap, i just ran a small wire down mine to the metal part of my dust collector. Helps get rid of the static very well.

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Yep that's one way to do it!

Great video thank you

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Great video. Watched it a few times. Quick question if you have a sec? If I want to start setting up a very modest workshop (bench saw, thicknesser, router and mitre station, would a good quality shop vac and the cyclone extractor suffice for both dust and chip extraction. I would try to modify the tools to allow the vacuum to connect as well as possible to them. A proper larger extractor isn't in the budget nor do I have the space. Your cyclone/vac portable station is fantastic btw. Thanks for any advice.

I'm getting a small shop up and running in the space of a 2 car garage. I picked up Dewalt's 14 gallon 6HP vacuum because it was advertised to be quieter than the Ridgid airplane at takeoff that I had in the past. Pretty impressed with it, I have a Dust Deputy 5 gallon bucket in front of it but it fills up way too fast. Picked up a 55 gallon drum just need to mount the cyclone to the lid and I should be in business. Overall a pretty good setup for ~$350 considering I already had 2 of the 16 foot Bosch hoses. Same size hoses as Festool for waaaay less. Hooked up a $30 auto trigger switch for the vac and in happy with it

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Nice!

I don't have a dust collection system (leaf blower doesn't quite count), but I've been thinking about it. This was good, thanks. Gives me more things to ponder before I jump into setting one up. Btw, your workshop is so incredibly clean and everything seems so perfectly linear that I'd be scared to set a foot in it. :)

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Ha! Well it doesn't always look like that 😂😂

@Ritalie

Жыл бұрын

I'm definitely going to use my shop vac! That Rigid vacuum he has, I have the same 6 gallon one, and it has about a 13 amp motor, it has so much power you can suck up gravel and screws and a whole pile of leaves. You buy the bags for it (never use the air filter as the only filter). Buy the bags, install the bag, in addition to the paper filter, in addition to an automotive 2.5" clamp on paper air filter on the output vent, to prevent dust being blown everywhere, it acts as a very good diffuser with high flow. Surprisingly, I've found that 6 gallons is a ton of a sawdust for a home user that focuses more on inventing things, than constant volume production. You can also buy a pre-filter tank to capture all the sawdust, and use the Rigid shop vac, as the final sucking motor.

great video

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great video. I have a suggestion for PVC systems, if you spiral a bare wire around the pipe just to get from one end to the other and put metal hose clamps about every 4 ft or so, and attach the wire to a ground it will ground out the static charge created from the air flow through a plastic pipe. Some plastic hoses use the spring coil used to make the hose to ground this static charge.

@timforgot

Жыл бұрын

this is not a thing. static electricity should not be a concern. nothing's gonna ignite lmao. and the spring coil you mention is insulated, so it's not conducting lol.

@timforgot

Жыл бұрын

this fake issue is probably the funniest thing in woodworking

@robertmayton3374

Жыл бұрын

I can tell you from experience static in PVC systems is no myth. I'm not saying it'll explode, but it'll sure stand the hair up on your arm and even deliver a good snap when you least expect it. My last shop was piped with pvc and it was very annoying, especially with my Dewalt planer.

@timforgot

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmayton3374 lol

@timforgot

Жыл бұрын

it's just not a thing. when it's really cold, you get a static shock touching your car door. it's not worth spending money or designing a system to mitigate it. it's just not a thing worth worrying about.

Good basic video but you need to understand the purpose of N-95 or N-100 dust filters for respirators. It has absolutely nothing to do with viruses.

@johnvrabec9747

Жыл бұрын

Correct, even a mask with a HEPA filter will not filter a virus.

@michaelsummer7082

Жыл бұрын

Having been a safety Director for a commercial construction company I feel like I’m obligated to chime in because the comment about the mask is very misleading. N95 mask are non-oil rated with 95% Efficiency down to .3 microns. That is gonna be your most common fine dust rated mask but does nothing for spring oil base finishes or anything with VOCs. P100 is a oil proof mask that has 99.97% Efficiency down .3 µm. It’s a significantly better mask for an at home woodworker. You need a charcoal filter for vapor protection. Virus particles are fairly large vs what dust and vapors can be.

@errolpereira8292

Жыл бұрын

Thank you to Mike and you for chiming in. Great video but he whiffed on this topic. I use P100 in my small garage shop for finishing and when using power tools.

@GageDrums

Жыл бұрын

@@errolpereira8292 get yourself some vapor cartridges for finishing

@sevenismy

9 ай бұрын

@@michaelsummer7082viruses are small, just the droplets they are traveling on are big

With PVC avoid static electricity by grounding it simply applying copper self adhesive tape along the ducts to a ground 🙏🏻🌞

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Truth!

Appreciate your videos, always pick up something. Re: the dust cart. Too many right angle bends, too much pipe, shop vac should be above the dust separator. Make gravity work for you. Increase airflow 10-11 percent. Re: dust. There have been MANY deadly explosions and fires in industrial settings caused by the accumulation of dust in the air, and some chance ignition source. Sawmills, sugar mills, grain elevators, etc. I see way too many folks who poo-poo the whole idea, refuse to believe in historical facts, engineering and science. It CAN be an issue. For my part, I keep the garage door and side door open, getting plenty of breeze through the shop, I use masks, shop vacs, fans and plan to build at least one air cleaner. The dust level is never high enough to present a fire or explosion hazard. The bigger concern for me is my lungs and eyes. Stay safe, and thanks again.

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

Great summary of various options and enough details on each one - just like s comment above I want to link that you are incorrect on N95 - you should fix that. I like how Festool extractor has filter cleaning feature. For Ridgid they have filters of different quality - eg VF3400/3500/3600 for general debris/fine dust/drywall dust (>= 10/1/0.3 microns).

I use the size 1 and 1/0 Mustad hooks to freeline for snook kzread.infoUgkxzXmlErSqVAEGWFEKO530BvTqFDw53QW3 and they have been fantastic. The points are super sharp, and the hook is small enough to blend with my baitfish, yet large enough to land fish 30" or more. I also use these hooks when I'm pier or surf fishing with my kids. They tend to catch tons of smaller snapper, whiting, and catfish, and we get far fewer gut hooks with these Mustad in-lines, which means more of them survive after release. I was actually using these hooks when I caught my friend too, but I think that had more to do with the bait I was using ;-)

Howdy... I have a 10'x14' shop. It's a converted Arrow shed (the large one sitting on display at Lowe's). It ain't much, but it's better than dragging tools out individually from my "tool shed" that's only 8'x10' and working off sawhorses and in the elements. Nonetheless, I'm slowly (S.L.O.W.L.Y.) getting everything arranged. I use a Ridgid NXT along with a Dust Buddy. The exhaust on this thing QUICKLY turned my shop into sauna (minus the moisture) along with tossing fine dust into the air. I now pipe out the exhaust through hoses going out the door of which, sits a simple small AC unit sitting on a 5 gallon bucket and a "temporary" cardboard half door so I can close the other door. Being in South Texas, this tin can of a shop heats up quick, so the AC keeps it at about 75°. Hooking up dedicated hoses to all my tools is in the works. Right now, it's a cumbersome, move hose to Tool as I use that tool. Your right. The decibels of this thing is quite loud, so I'm looking into making a small "shop-vac" shed on the outside of the shop and install a remote control for the unit. I've noticed static on the hoses "sometimes". You can actually see the fine dust standing on end. I'm not overly concerned about spontaneous combustion cause I'm fairly certain the ratio of air to dust to spark isn't enough to ignite. But, I have been tagged a few times by static. I wonder if I were to insert a small copper dowel into the hose and connect it to a green wire and then have that go outside to a simple ground rod hammered into the earth...I wonder if that would take away the static charge? Hmmm. That'd be a nice little science experiment.

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

You can buy self adhesive copper tape that you may be able to run along the hose? Not sure how well it would stick to the ridges though.

@Mike-ou5ps

Жыл бұрын

@@MWAWoodworks Re-read my post....Copper dowel? What was I thinking? Just use the ground wire itself. Poke it inside a tube, run it outside. What's the worst that can happen...It not work and I've got a teeny tiny hole I can put duct tape over. P.S. I've asked MANY people and they have no idea...I can't seem to find it either.... Where the HELL is the "OFF" switch to turn off Summer?

Old school box fans with a high quality filter perform better and are much cheaper than the dedicated air filtration machines.

OK, that's probably the best use of the "most annoying sound in the world" clip that I've seen on KZread.

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

Decibels are a logarithmic scale, so 3db difference is around twice as loud. 10db is 10x as loud. So 10 db makes a big difference!

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

The difference between my shop vac and my dust extractor is 18 db

@commentsonthetube14

Жыл бұрын

@@MWAWoodworks woah, that's pretty huge

Great video, great help in understanding the differences between the types of systems. Do you think Pujols will get to 700?

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Ha! I sure hope he does!

An earth grounded bare wire running outside the length of the PVC ducting and connecting to the metal pieces of the vac/filter and metal framework should effectively remove any static buildup.

Yeap ! 😂

You can pick up the pipe at any HVAC supplier., all the way up to 12"

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Yep!

I want good dust collection and have the means to create it. The problem is, I’m honestly overwhelmed by how everything needs to be oriented. Would should I look for to help me out? Awesome video!

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

If you're talking about how to lay out your shop, there are tons of great videos on KZread!

@marklitvin2422

Жыл бұрын

@@MWAWoodworks is there a vid that is the most resourceful in your opinion? I’m in 20x35x9 space

How about Wet/dry collection, who makes the best?

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Don't have a good answer for that one!

Pressure should also be mentioned along side CFM.

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Correct. Vacuums are high pressure low volume and dust collectors are low pressure high volume. I thought I mentioned that in the video but I may have cut it out due to length

I would advise a different priority approach in equipment selection: the first decision is air quality, and that is hard-linked to the tool exit filtration system. If you discharge outside the breathing space, no worry (probably don't need a filter, either). But most of us breathe that discharged air, so the filtration type at the terminal is crucial. The industry (esp. DIY) is pretty vague on this, but a key term is "micron": if the final filter is rated "5 micron" it's going to miss some of the small particles you don't want to breathe. Ratings of 1~3 micron are what you want. Now, go back to the equipment selections and you find that shop vacs don't really do well by this criteria. Extractors have better final filters, but extractors are relatively expensive, low air flow (won't serve a table saw), and low waste volume (have to empty them often). Who's left? Dust collectors: don't dismiss bag outlet filtration in favor of cartridge. Both bags and cartridges can be designed for the 1-micron level of discharge; I find bags are easier to use and usually less expensive (vendor such as American Fabric Filter). Room / shop cleaner: the fine particles that you want to avoid settle out of the air in about 3~5 minutes; a room cleaner takes about 15 minutes to exchange the volume of the air through its filter. As a result, when you walk through the room, you stir up the very fine particles and breathe them in before they get cleaned. So, capture the dust in a dust collector with appropriate filtration at it's discharge. Oh, vortex sections don't make the air any cleaner (again, cleanliness depends on the filtration of the air discharged into the room). Vortex separates the larger pieces into a more easily emptied container, thus facilitating maintenance, but the remaining fine particles go into the fan and the final filter.

@SchemingGoldberg

Жыл бұрын

Basically every shop vac has the ability to install a HEPA filter, which are rated to filter 99.97% of particles larger than 0.3 microns. Some shop vacs even come with a HEPA filter out of the box. HEPA filters are more expensive (usually $60+) but it's worth it if you care about air quality. And if you're using a cyclone separator, then you don't have to worry about the HEPA filter getting clogged, because the cyclone separator will filter out most of the sawdust anyways, so only the very fine particles reach the HEPA filter.

@petem6503

Жыл бұрын

@@SchemingGoldberg This is true. BUT you might keep in mind that the HEPA is really intended for electronic / pharm manufacturing cleanliness where sub-micron particles pose inhibitions to yield. HEPA media imposes a HUGE pressure loss penalty on the fan, which translates to significant (50% +/- ) air flow loss. That's why I start at the desired final result (particle size profile), not the methodology (filter choice) when designing a system. Merv 13~15 filtration sufficiently reduces 1-micron particle sizes for most people (remember that susceptibility to airborne particles is not constant: some people are hypersensitive, and they would opt for merv15, etc; but again the choice of environment is the first step). HEPA is rarely an optimum choice for DIY apps.

Mostly I am turned off by the prevalence of cut scenes to memes, but I am here for the very choice use of Dumb and Dumber.

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

You really can't lose with that one 🤣

🙏👏👍💪

4:12 You meant to say quadruple or even quintuple or sometimes sextuple and more.

Your links do not work

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

Links seem to be working fine for me.

6 decibels is twice as loud so yeah big difference! I hope you didn't just make up the 5 to 10 decibel comment. lol

@MWAWoodworks

Жыл бұрын

I was actually being generous with my comparison because there are so many different brands and noise levels out there depending on how old your equipment is. But here's a direct comparison in my shop. My Ridgid 1450 shop vac is 90 db and when I bought it several years ago it was considered one of the quieter shop vacs available. Compare that to my Festool CT26 dust extractor which at max power is 72 db, but it has a variable power control so if I put it all the way down to low power the decibels go to 62. So I have a range of 18 to 28 db difference between the two. Bottom line is that most shop vacs are facking loud and most dust extractors are not. 😀