Interesting that they stress that the data is stored in Virginia and are mostly mute as to exactly who has access to that data.

@Scarsofevil

2 ай бұрын

For real, they can easily open a back door for it to be accessed with complete deniability.

@beyondEV

2 ай бұрын

Short memory? The US government can access any data from any US company without warrant, if it's stored within its jurisdiction (They can still do it outside, but then both the company and the US government commit a cybercrime). And they still try to prosecute Wikileaks for letting the world know about it. EU vs. Facebook & Co... Eventually unfortunately the EU relented, so SM Apps now only need to ask for explizit permission to transfer user data out of EU jurisdiction. Without a provision, that users from the EU must be able to opt-out without losing access to the app. (Btw. fight was less about the US government spying on EU-citizens, more about selling it the unsavory third parties.) While China has surly a better grip on things, if they were transfering user data to china, we would likely know. Keeping a lid on things, it's much harder, if the potential whistleblowers are outside of your jurisdiction and can pretty much count on instant asylum.

@HanTheProphet

2 ай бұрын

It’s not just about the data. They can easily convince a general or government officials kid to download a program to their phone, circumventing so many of the steps necessary to digitally compromise the general/offical. Even if you keep your kid off TikTok as you would with drugs/alcohol, their friends will most definitely try to help them get access because this isn’t even as bad as drugs/alcohol from a teens perspective. It’s really an incredible tool for China that’s too big to fail. Even if they divest, they will maintain some control and access through TikTok employees.

@XIIchiron78

2 ай бұрын

This is a misdirection. It's not really about where the data is or who has it. It's about what they are doing with it and how they are using it. If a foreign country wanted to build a nuke in Virginia, does that make it more acceptable? No?? Same thing more or less in my view.

@neurofiedyamato8763

2 ай бұрын

It doesn't matter if its tiktok or not. All social media companies sell your data. And governments can get it from data brokers. Even if Tiktok never existed, CHina can buy data obtained by Facebook, Instagram, youtube etc. If congress actually cared about our privacy, they would pass a data privacy law for all internet platforms which would include Tiktok. But no, this is entirely politically motivated and one with dangerous precedents too.

The FCC regulates foreign broadcasting, I don’t see why we shouldn’t have regulations for foreign social media.

@Emanon...

2 ай бұрын

Then they should probably start regulating their own media, wouldn't you say? Or is racism and Nazis on twitter worse than tweens dancing videos?

@DatPiffy

2 ай бұрын

The CCP chose to be adversarial especially on the cyber front, the vulnerability of the app has been expressed with evidence for awhile by the computer science community. For context byte-dance is the same company with a different name for reason. The last company had proven ties as a willing and eager partner that did all technology & software for the CCPe “security apparatus” when the CCP went cyber-punk police state on millions of Uyghurs Muslims (Chinese citizens) & facilitated an all too fast cultural genocide. The speed & efficiency was directly from “bytedance” assistance of its technology. Read the bill please, only 13-14 pages.

@ahrlj24

2 ай бұрын

How is it any different from other countries banning wikipedia or facebook? Banning any application foreign or domestic is anti freedom and liberty. Peope should be able to roam any site without being restricted. If they are stealing my data so? It’s my choice not yours to decide what website I should visit.

@tuber6382

2 ай бұрын

I don't see why the first amendment or any constitutional amendment is a big deal either

@dadistos4538

2 ай бұрын

@@ahrlj24 There's plenty of things the app has been proven to do that are obviously direct threats to any country it's being used in. If you care enough, go read the extensive reporting done by citizenlab in the report titled "TikTok vs Douyin".

I still cant believe how the congressional hearing went. There were so many good criticisms to make and instead we got "does tiktok access the wifi" and "someone said mean things to me online"

@PeterMuskrat6968

2 ай бұрын

Well, it’s congress… they are professional morons for a reason. I still do agree with the potential ban. Not because of the user data… but because of the ease of which you can conduct informational warfare.

@araara4746

2 ай бұрын

The world knows that the hearing was just a drama to make the US look democratic, because whatever the outcome of the hearing, they already have a decision for Tiktok.

Being in the over 40 group, this is the most time I’ve spent using, thinking or caring about Tik Tok!!!!!! However, it’s ironic that my first serious involvement is about its destruction!!! 😂😂😂😂 Love your presentations!

@1steyeblind

2 ай бұрын

(Assuming from the way youve worded it younarent much over 40?) We kinda got screwed tech wise didnt we. Like we were too young to make the big $$ in the early days of internet with the Microsofts, Amazons, Googles etc and too old to make the big $$ from becoming a big youtuber, tik tok star etc

@simondaniel4028

2 ай бұрын

We're a similar age: layoff the punctuation overload. We don't need any help embarrassing ourselves online.

@spacemanx9595

2 ай бұрын

​@@1steyeblind You people were in your 20s and 30s in 2009 when you could buy a house for 130k, stop crying.

@icosthop9998

2 ай бұрын

​@simondaniel4028 You do know that when you use "Talk Text," it inserts a lot of punctuation. I used to go back and proff read and make corrections. I don't bother anymore.

@1steyeblind

2 ай бұрын

@@spacemanx9595 not where i live In Australia but you’re right real estate is absolutely ridiculous nowadays everywhere it seems. Mainly cos of greed, like housing should be for living in not for getting rich off is my personal opinion. And yeah if you are younger thsn me i reckon you guys have it f$&kin tough. I was only joking with what I wrote originally about being youtuber etc but if it makes you less angry at me I lost my house when I had these tumour things growing in the back of my eye requiring lots and lots of surgeries which insurance weaselled out of paying for lots of. So it aint me driving house prices up 🤷🏼‍♂️

"Confused? You won't be after this week's episode of...".

@fdabelstein

2 ай бұрын

Hi, fellow "above 40".

@herbaceousboredom9584

2 ай бұрын

@@fdabelsteinYes, definitely 'above 40' lol

@crypticmrchimes

2 ай бұрын

@@fdabelsteinI may not be above 40 but I do have all 4 seasons. Great show!

wish you'd done this video in portrait mode

@fdabelstein

2 ай бұрын

And in max 180 seconds?

@MorbidEel

2 ай бұрын

@@fdabelsteinas a bunch of shorts

Haha what irony, a chinese app that cannot be used in china

@HyperScorpio8688

2 ай бұрын

Because it's dangerous to the GrEaT cHiNa if their citizens can share stuff online without censorship from the state. It's a thoroughbred cyberweapon.

@DmT922ha

2 ай бұрын

Do you think they want that degeneracy on their kids? TikTok is the most cancerous thing on planet earth, if we had any b*lls here in the West it would have been banned 3 years ago...

@john38825

2 ай бұрын

Bytedance has a copy of it called douyin which started as tiktok and had to change to adhere to Chinese censorship laws. It's the same tiktok logo and interface

@mohamedabdukadir3271

2 ай бұрын

It is used in china old

@narva5440

2 ай бұрын

what@@mohamedabdukadir3271

With the flood of phone calls to Congress, tic tok accidentally showed that it is an interference tool as well, not just an information and influence tool.

@YouAreStillNotablaze

2 ай бұрын

Flood of phone calls from who?

@nromk

2 ай бұрын

The same thing can happen on Facebook. Remember when we all had red equal signs, or when everyone had seseam street profile photos?

@nromk

2 ай бұрын

So is Facebook, remember when we all had red equal signs in support of gay marriage?

@EarthForces

2 ай бұрын

​@nromk surely, it was discussed years ago of their influence and the idea to even break up these social media giants to curb their influence but during the Trump admin did not push hard enough because it is "anti-business" right? 😅

@viysnjor4811

2 ай бұрын

was that promoted by facebook itself? thats the issue here, tiktok *told* people to interfere, and used misinfo to do it

You call it irony, I call it hypocrisy

I'm less concerned about data extraction from ordinary citizens, and more concerned about cyber propoganda

@PeterMuskrat6968

2 ай бұрын

Yup. That is my main concern as well. Data extraction is only really useful to the Chinese if it’s Federal/Military personnel or if it is Chinese dissidents living abroad. The ability to make a minute long short filled with misinformation being purposefully spread by bots or paid trolls and having millions upon millions of young, impressionable and lazy people view it and just believe it.

@MorbidEel

2 ай бұрын

@@PeterMuskrat6968 "Data extraction is only really useful to the Chinese if it’s Federal/Military personnel or if it is Chinese dissidents living abroad." it would be really stupid for those to be using any social media regardless of the company. Like someone in witness protection deciding to become a streamer ...

TY for bringing up this subject. 👍

This was just pure gold! Thanks!!! ❤

Thank you for making the confusing stuff understandable!!! You’re the best!

honestly they are already too late if they want to protect people.

@RomWatt

2 ай бұрын

If they really wanted to protect people, they would have implemented universal healthcare.

@evank8459

2 ай бұрын

The only thing that stops warfare, is losing a war. This is info war, and while it won't go like Russia, there is a little thing called karma. America doesn't care enough to exhibit the humiliation sought, even though we started it Hurt people hurt people

@cameronspence4977

2 ай бұрын

Yes but better late than never. Ive been pushing for this ban ever since I learned what tiktok was. It should have been implemented the day tiktok was invented. We can at least protect all the would be new users in the future.

@Go4Broke247

2 ай бұрын

More like hide tiktok from Gaza Genocide. Lol

@Fei_Ge

2 ай бұрын

We in the United States are free and democratic countries, and everyone can speak freely. Unlike China's dictatorship, China is autocratic.

well done sir. love you work!

Please for the love of lines on maps! Please make the Maduro video. It’s so unique that he was singled out and it is pretty important since it deals with issues the US and (more importantly regarding the man himself) Venezuelan people have in dealing with him.

@alexpotts6520

2 ай бұрын

It is worth remembering that western governments recognise jailed opposition leader Juan Guaido as the de jure President of Venezuela.

8:02 - I'm thirty eight, still use facebook and my knees will explode in pain if I try to dance for a Tik Tok video. So you're spot on, mate!

Thank you, Professor. This vid is extremely helpful. My 20-ish granddaughter, (who of course is raising the roof over this idea) and I discussed this when it first passed the House. Even though she was boiling and indignant as only smart young people can be, We both felt a true lack of actual data. Perhaps now we can have a more fulsome discussion. Much appreciation.

This is the most hilarious upload ever on this channel. It's a comedy of ironies. An international relations version of Seinfeld. I was waiting for the mention of how the country supporting the free flow of money and speech is looking to create barriers to speech backed by money. 😂

Also, why are they complaining about us banning TikTok when they banned American social media sites as well, double standards

@MorbidEel

2 ай бұрын

Are they actually banned or did those companies pull out because they didn't want to comply with regulations like what happened with Google?

@pabcu2507

2 ай бұрын

@@MorbidEel naw, they banned them

@MorbidEel

2 ай бұрын

@@pabcu2507source? I mean actual announcements or the equivalent of an Act being passed. I just remember actual Chinese people in China giving wrong info for what should be simpler things like money transfer.

Very thought provoking

I want to know more on how Madura got on the US:s foreign adversaries-list. 😂 8:46 Great video, as always.

@jengis_i

2 ай бұрын

Same. Plus the question why Cuba is still on that list.

@lenno15697

2 ай бұрын

Because the U.S. government recognises Guaido as the legitimate Venezuelan President. So the reasoning is that Venezuela is not a foreign adversary, but the illegitimate Maduro regime that de facto rules Venezuela is.

Uh oh, the "AI" now wants us to dance😂 Love your video's and your humor!

Thank you!

The correct course of action is to ban TikTok and bring back Vine

@timexyemerald6290

2 ай бұрын

Its better be be in control of poison that you consume than consuming a posion the even their rival have control over and they themselves never consume the poison itself😅

@fematrailer

2 ай бұрын

Looking back, vine was actually better than TikTok. It was more chaotic and genuine. TikTok by comparison is way more fake and has a lot more thirst traps and stealth ads for O F accounts. Plus, the literal brain rot of AI speech over unrelated subway surfer/soap cutting/Family Guy clips is way worse than anything you'll see in the Vine compilations that still exist on KZread.

@superdurppig8686

2 ай бұрын

Is Congress doing it for the vine?

@PherPhur

2 ай бұрын

@@fematrailer I think that's more to do with the age of the internet than Vine or TikTok itself. Part of it has to do with TikTok paying so much and turning content creation into a vicious business, but a lot of it has to do with the age of the internet.

@fematrailer

2 ай бұрын

@PherPhur People were saying Vine was cringe at the time, but a lot of the newer comments on old Vine compilations say stuff like, "This predicted [this year]'s humor in 2015!" In actuality, the internet is largely the same. It's just been segregated between the sincere and genuine user generated content and the enshitified algorithmically optimized and attention-hacking brain rot content. If you've been on the internet for a long time, you can see the things that have changed and what's stayed the same. I've kinda bought into the "dead internet theory" a bit, and believe that the amount of botting, sockpuppeting, and AI generated comments are much higher than people expect. I'm not saying that I think that TikTok videos are fake or AI or anything stupid like that, I'm just skeptical of the claims of how popular a lot of the stuff on there really is. TikTok and Twitter look more like a Potemkin village than anything else to me.

William Spaniel Thanks for posting this video.

this is by far the most hilarious video of you,, I couldn't stop laughing the whole time

Good stuff, thanks

I love Will's sharp mind. Its like i get to attend high-end lectures at an Ivy Leagure school for free. :)

Byte Dance Executives just last week were called to the main CCP complex wher😢they were compelled to apologize for something. The what isn’t important because in China, if you are told you need to apologize-you do regardless if you did the deed or not. So it’s obvious if told to hand over data, if you value your health you do what they say.

@tomsunwifi2767

2 ай бұрын

Source please

The fun part is that I don’t and will never use TikTok. Not worth my time.

Another Amazing Video! Thank you. 🇦🇺👴🏻

I was worried there for a couple of minutes that we wouldn't get any lines on maps in this video

The concern I have with TikTok and other apps with tracking capabilities is the same in regards of Facebook and Instagram. The difference lies in the continent, since Meta would happily give all tracking data for free to the CIA, the FBI or even the DOJ. Hence why Amarican apps and sites are banned in China and Russia, forcing you to have a VPN to access those.

@elmohead

2 ай бұрын

Bing isn't banned there.

@0816M3RC

2 ай бұрын

Why are you trying to hide from the FBI?

wow - for a while I was frightened that we weren't going to get a line on a map, but William delivered :)

Kindly make a video on strategy and strategic studies

ONE DAY ! Come on William ! The C.C.P. is undoubtedly getting this info on an ongoing basis . Just because it is stored in one place does not preclude it being stored in another as well .

@icosthop9998

2 ай бұрын

True

@beakerbkr

2 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@azlanadil3646

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, and the US government does the same thing with Twitter, Instagram, KZread, google in general, and basically every social media platform other than Tik Tok. I dislike Tik Tok, but the reason it’s being singled out is racism and sabre rattling.

@Moimus

2 ай бұрын

@@azlanadil3646how is sanctioning foreign powers who openly spy on their and foreign citizens, totally disregard national and personal souverenity and actively undermine international institutions racism? it's not getting banned because it's made by chinese people, it's getting banned because it's a tool for actors with bad intent.

@steveburton5825

2 ай бұрын

@@azlanadil3646 It's not RACISM to not want your data to be scooped up by a foreign adversary. Does everything have to be "racism" these days? You twits overuse this term so much it has become meaningless.

Thx William

Thanks Bill!

Thank you for presenting this TikTok topic in the most interesting and informative way possible.

It's incredible how you can break down complex and /or confusing topics for the average person,along with a sly bit of humor.I have thanked many times the friend that introduced you to me.🍎🤔

Best 60sec coverage of the story on the internet.

Commonwealth of Virginia? Not State of Virginia? Is there a video coming up on this?

Ironic

@ZEROmg13

2 ай бұрын

to say the least......ooooooh boy.

@timhaldane7588

2 ай бұрын

Don'tcha think?

@Fei_Ge

2 ай бұрын

No, no, no, we in the United States are free and democratic countries, and everyone can speak freely. Unlike China's dictatorship, he is authoritarian.

Excellent video. Succinct. Easy-to-digest. Honest. Sharable with those caught in the fog of confusion. Thank you.

@Gametheory101

2 ай бұрын

I think that is the most generous donation I have ever received. Thank you so much!

@awjaaa

2 ай бұрын

@@Gametheory101Anti-propaganda'ing ain't cheap. Always help the helpers.

This is ironic. But you, William, you are iconic.

Lines on apps? 🤔

Lines on TikTok? Inconceivable!

What about American apps? Aren't they also able to access user data from other countries?

@wnnn2268

2 ай бұрын

Other countries do ban American apps...

@dpeasehead

2 ай бұрын

@@wnnn2268 which ones, and under what circumstances? Anything which is anti-China gets defended in the US...

@jacksondevine3870

2 ай бұрын

​@@dpeaseheadRussia and China both ban all of our social media. Under circumstances similar to the ones in this video but often also because they want to control. They even banned apps like LinkedIn and so that they can have more control over their workforce.

@wnnn2268

2 ай бұрын

@@dpeasehead China, Iran, North Korea, Myanmar, Russia, Turkmenistan and Uganda. Have all banned facebook under the pretences of national security...

@okay.8623

2 ай бұрын

The main issue is that the Chinese government can just force a Chinese company to give up data. This isn't so in the US. This is why so many nations still trust and use US apps, even US enemies like Russia. Also what prevents the right for the US to ban a foreign services? China does it all the time.

Would love to see a debate/colab between you and Ryan McBeth on this.

I'm surprisingly early tonight! Tuesday just tripped over an hour go. Cheers from GC Australia sir.

This is just the strangest story. My bet would be amazon being the buyer since they lack their own short video platform but have the means and technology to buy and run it.

@elmohead

2 ай бұрын

China enacted a law that says all major companies will have to ask permission to sell their business.

@PeterMuskrat6968

2 ай бұрын

@@elmoheadGood on them… I hope the Chinese prevent a sale so we can just straight up ban it off of app stores. I don’t care about the data, I care about the hoopleheaded morons on the US who don’t do an ounce of research viewing short form videos choc full of misinformation that they will inevitably believe without doing any background research.

You should write a book!!

6:38 Good point, same thing here, the most random thing to say at that moment

That is some serious line-on-map action at 1:59

Yeah, but its not a "Ban" and should not be called that its a forced decoupling from the Chineese government, so its odd why the Chineese government is pissed, even though they claim they have nothing to do with it in the first place.

@EarthForces

2 ай бұрын

The CCP are data mining there for years and them being cut of their "golden goose" for that and their active measures is a net gain not just for the US but for anti-authoritarian societies in general. The US can essentially lead the way for other Western and aligned countries to throw that spy app away. As for their each country's domestic, privately owned social media (surveillance) app. (Facebook, for example) This ban might even serve as a basis to curb that type of operation as well. If you are for anti-censorship. Start with your adversary and then deal with your own internal issues. This is the very same thing China did when they banned most Western apps, but the US will be doing it in the same way but with the opposite intent.

We're reaching a Chernobyl level event of irony with this 1.

01:56 I was wondering how the line is gonna be drawn. A truly impressive line.

I'm not very good at reading can someone tell me difference between Patriot Act of USA and this Security Law of China?

Guess witch country banned that first😂

@OkarinHououinKyouma

2 ай бұрын

China

@scorpiom8053

2 ай бұрын

so basically story goes like this, china doesn't ban their own app you cry if they do ban their own app and do the right thing where needed you still cry?

@esbenm6544

2 ай бұрын

@@scorpiom8053 cope🤓

@caocaohehe

2 ай бұрын

@@scorpiom8053 No, where do you get this twisted logic 🤣

@scorpiom8053

2 ай бұрын

@@caocaohehe Yes, that's how it is.

Looking forward to the Maduro vid. :)

Strong 💪

40 seconds in: "still with me?" The answer is no, but I will watch the rest anyway.

The problem is that ByteDance has a dedicated office at TikTok HQ with complete access to everything and I've heard rumors of the CCP already accessing user data to identify & track dissidents for example.

@azlanadil3646

2 ай бұрын

Something the US government would *never* do. Honestly, you have to feel bad for Snowden. He gave up his life to try to protect a group of people who seem to want nothing more than their own subjugation.

@beyondEV

2 ай бұрын

Well according to those reliable rumours, the chinese filled their SOLID boosters with water, the 3 gorges dam has shifted so much 20 times that is collapse is imminent. Still it's somehow standing and i have yet to figure out, how the chinese managed to keep the water in the solid boosters frozen. And i doubt, that any chinese dissident uses tik-tok. That would be like Wikileaks using Facebook for getting data from american whistleblowers. I would be far more worried if i were a chinese dissident, about the fact, the western tracking tech (military grade) has been found on the phone of a murdered journalist critical of a certain middle eastern kingdoms human rights abuses. it certainly came with strings attached, so china can't simply buy in. but those rely on zero day exploits, and using them instead of reporting them..., means others like the chinese will find them too. But very useful to keep hunting those pesky whistleblower that reported your war crimes to the world.

@Moimus

2 ай бұрын

why wouldn't they? intelligence agencies don't care about the law or even basic human rights.

@nick.v.g

2 ай бұрын

​@@azlanadil3646 indeed Europe should make meta twitter and such sell there Europe parts to European companies because we know the us is doing the same

@VILExBLOOD

2 ай бұрын

​@@azlanadil3646 I know right? exiled to Russia, the bastion of anonymity and freedom of the press, that being said American spying on its citizens doesn't make China's spying on American citizens ok, I agree people are way too eager to give up their anonymity and the US intelligence apparatus is also reprehensible but two wrongs don't make a right and no need to run defense for the Chinese government unless you're a wumao and in that case get a real job lol

Usually your voice has an amsr vibe. That very first part of this video was anything but though!

Without talking about the ban specifically, I think we can all agree there should be _some kind_ of line, and you shouldn't just be able to weaponize a platform to an unlimited degree under the guise of "free speech". So, the discussion needs to be about where we can draw that line, and if TikTok crosses it, and if _some of our own platforms also cross it._ Instead, the debate has devolved into a useless, binary, back and forth shouting match, like everything inevitably does because of our two party duopoly (speaking of, the game theory around vote splitting and how it influences our politics and society would be a great topic for this channel, it's hugely impactful and responsible for basically all of our problems...).

@beyondEV

2 ай бұрын

News Flash: You have 1 Party: The Oligarch Party. It does pretend it's two wing's are two parties... but both answer to the same people. The Donors. And all the big ones invest in both sides every election. Making sure you can't choose real change. The real perk of the pretend two-party-state: Unlike the CCP, you never ever have to take responsibility. And you always walk away without punishment, no matter the crime.

@1mol831

2 ай бұрын

What do you mean

@lenno15697

2 ай бұрын

The ban is content neutral with regards to speech. Specifically, it merely regulates social media's company ability to operate in the U.S. while also being beholden to foreign adversaries, so it doesn't violate 1A principles.

The time has come for Tiktok to return to Ke$ha's control

@lrmry

2 ай бұрын

Hell yeah

9:26 50 Billion to 300 Billion? Is that Mar-a-Lago evaluation or New York City Condo floor space? ;-)

@Dave05J

2 ай бұрын

Billion, not million. Plus that'd the value of ByteDance, not tiktok.

I work in the data centers in Virginia, lol. So I’m a little freaked about how the divestiture will affect my job. I’m an American citizen working with Oracle and not a bytedance employee.

"It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they tried to pull the plug." "Skynet fights back?" "Yes."

The way the company handled the news basically guaranteed that they'll eventually be forced to divest. Whether through this current legislation or extreme pressure in the future. I wish our government did a better job of illustrating to people the differences in US private entities vs Chinese 'private' entities. Pretty much all aspects of the Chinese economy are centrally controlled. This is not the case in the US, and you can not treat their companies the same. You have to treat ALL Chinese businesses as direct appendages of the CCP, because that's basically what they are. At least insofar as the threat they represent to security. There will NEVER be an actual independent corporation in 'Communist' China.

@EarthForces

2 ай бұрын

If only most Americans can grasp that concept if it is relayed to them that clearly. I even find it so silly, that some on the Right think Chinese private companies is playing capitalism on the same sense as the American ones, while those on the Left think the issue of "privacy" matters that much to Chinese company that is compelled to give data for the CCP for their national security purposes. Data privacy is irrelevant when your olforeugn adversary is already gathering data regardless of your domestic concerns about it AOC. 👎

@or8977

2 ай бұрын

I'd rather the CCP look at my data over the CIA. Atleast China doesnt kill millions in foreign forever wars

Wait, on that list of foreign adversaries, why is Belarus not on that list? It seems like it would be. I wonder why it isn't.

Best dance moves? Hmm. If I master the "Triple Jerk" does that mean I could be President?

It’s about reciprocity. They don’t let twitter, instagram or other US based apps into China

@Soras_

2 ай бұрын

They ban Twitter and Instagram because they don't follow the law. You can operate but you have to follow the law. Bing is not banned

@scva-socallvillainadvocate

2 ай бұрын

Yeah Us call themselves democratic, yet my unpopular commentbalways been censored by ytb, ig, fb irony

@whoppersification

2 ай бұрын

Umm yea I get it, but I thought the US was the beacon of democracy and calls itself “Land of the Free” and frequently lectures other countries on “First Amendment Rights”, and China is the communist, the bad guy everyone hates according to the US right? But then why is the US doing the same thing China is doing? Reciprocity? Sure, then according to you, the US is as bad as China, you can't deny that. The US says it supports free market but at the same time, when the US starts losing, they start banning apps and put tariffs on certain countries. Yep, just like how the US put high tariffs on Japanese goods back in the 80's, because US companies couldn't compete. Lol. The irony. But the people in the US are not aware of this, all they know is "US good China bad" narrative. Hypocritical much.

@Soras_

2 ай бұрын

@@scva-socallvillainadvocate Corporation can control speech with or without tiktok. some special interest just want more market share

@hivetech4903

2 ай бұрын

​@scva-socallvillainadvocate LOL no irony there, the US doesn't ban your comments, private companies do that 😂

I think you should've mention Tiktok's proposed "Project Texas", cause it actually feels like it'd solve most of the complaints against Tiktok without needing to deal with the potential moral, legal, and practical downsides. At least, that's my current impression, and I want to learn more about alternatives (instead of just "divestment" and "no change")

@user-ps2nn5pj4g

2 ай бұрын

Ah, but then, you'd deprive Mnuchin of the algo he craves. "That technology should be ours", he recently stated.

@snow5570

2 ай бұрын

It sounds good on paper but tiktok has already been caught lying about no American user data being stored in china, it actually turned out that user data from American tiktokers who were part of the creator fund (it's how u get paid on tiktok basically) had a ton of data stored on Chinese servers

@technokicksyourass

2 ай бұрын

Project Texas is just a morality virtue signal bill, that doesn't solve the actual problem. Who has root access to the servers, and who is securing the data is what ultimately matters.

@user-ps2nn5pj4g

2 ай бұрын

@@technokicksyourassIn a sane world, maybe. But in this through-the-looking-glass world, what ultimately matters is that a rival has something highly profitable that the US wants. And it'll use any means, fair, foul or downright illegal and morally reprehensible to take it.

@VVayVVard

2 ай бұрын

The problem is that the algorithm can still be influenced by the CCP, via ByteDance. And based on the content that gets the most engagement currently, we have reasons to suspect that it may have been purposefully designed to hurt US interests. In which case forcing ByteDance to sell it to a company in a non-adversarial country makes more sense as a solution.

All these ironies make you really think: What exactly do they know that they aren't telling us?

6:36 Care to elaborate on the "Bizarre circle"theory of politics? Seems like way too interesting of a topic to leave in a throwaway line.

@JokerFace090

2 ай бұрын

As far as I can tell, it is a talking point for far right violent terrorists to say the other side is just as bad.

Which is the greatest Chinese import to the US. 1. Covid 2. Fentanyl 3. TiKTok 4. Temu ? Feel free to add to the list.

"Banned in China" is a bit of a stretch. It just operates in China under a different name and with separate content.

@user-pj6ch6cc4d

2 ай бұрын

No, it's true. TikTok and 抖音 are literally two different apps.

@coyotepeyote

2 ай бұрын

Douyin is a separate app, it shares many similarities but the TikTok app that exists in the US is in fact banned in China, along with all the US based social media sites, you can illegally use a VPN to access them but unless you work for the CCP as a wumao propagandist posting anything is ill advised.

@user-ps2nn5pj4g

2 ай бұрын

@@user-pj6ch6cc4dWith the same format, the same icon/logo, and the same parent company.

@user-eg3fq1ov7g

2 ай бұрын

他们本质是一样的​@@user-pj6ch6cc4d

@jetli740

2 ай бұрын

@@user-pj6ch6cc4d it the same app cater for region

How many drives to take all the data? Seriously, CCP already has it all. It’s just too easy to get and obfuscate the process of getting it.

@scorpiom8053

2 ай бұрын

no they don't, where you get the idea CPC even cares about your clown data

@scorpiom8053

2 ай бұрын

see see pee doesn't care about random data of some random person

@JSDudeca

2 ай бұрын

@@scorpiom8053Don't spend your 25 cents all in one place.

@CedarHunt

2 ай бұрын

We've had reports that the domestic servers for tiktok are empty anyway. There were engineers subpoenaed back when they were first investigating the company, who pretty much told everyone that all they do is transfer data to China and then route data back into the country.

@PherPhur

2 ай бұрын

Of course they do, it's AI training data. This is an AI arms race, you people see AI doomer shit all over the internet for how long now and you don't understand what's going on, for real?

we need more acts like the "No TikTok on Government Devices Act", by which i mean, acts that say what they do

@MorbidEel

2 ай бұрын

Why the hell are the controls on those devices so lax to begin with? From a security perspective the default should be 'deny all' then individuals should request individual apps if it is required for their work. Also to perform a thorough job the Act should also ban people from bringing their own devices or co-mingling their devices with government devices. Too many potential wireless attack vectors.

6:40 Why would you say "circle" instead of the more traditional "horseshoe"?

That will be a bad day for those Americans that actually make money with tiktok. KZread shorts is getting pushed as everyone here has noticed already. We'll see what happens next.

@dontcomply3976

2 ай бұрын

Oh no Anyway....

@JokerFace090

2 ай бұрын

OMFG what will happen to the world as we know it if Vine shuts down???? Talentless hacks and demagogues will move on to the next platform that allows them to bombard an audience with shortform content that doesn't ask them to think.

Lol i was just telling my coworker how I don't use tiktok cause it's a tool for the ccp

I couldn't be happier

Almost clicked away when you said the video wouldn’t be starting with a dance

While there isn’t an overlap between Facebook and tik tok users, young people certainly use Instagram, which is also owned by meta. Reels would gain a lot of traction if tik tok dried up

@SkywarpG1X

2 ай бұрын

And don't forget KZread shorts. Many tik tok Creators would flood to KZread.

It odd China banned TikTok but when US going to banned or take over the app China mad!

@icosthop9998

2 ай бұрын

Not odd, #CCP_CHINA Does gather information about the people who use that platform.

@brianliew5901

2 ай бұрын

So Uncle Sam is the new copy cat on the block. 😂

@beyondEV

2 ай бұрын

@@brianliew5901 Ever heard of Wikileaks? The CCP is the copy-cat. If they actually do it. Likely they don't risk it, as it would not only close the US market. All the 5G / Wireless / etc. techexport from all Chinese Companies would be threatened. China thinks long term. It's the US that devolved to always eat the candy now, like a kind.

@Dave05J

2 ай бұрын

​@@brianliew5901 Uncle Sam has the right to defend itself!!!

@brianliew5901

2 ай бұрын

@@Dave05J Those who genocides have no whatsoever rights.

Love you stuff William. I think you missed one of the ironies. All of the usa’s social media is already banned in China, yet it’s seen as a huge problem if the USA does the same back to China.

I feel a short dance routine to begin would've really helped sell your analysis, myself, but fiiine

The under 40 not using Facebook and over 40 not using TikTok is accurate. I am 39 and use neither.

Why do people like tiktok enough to call their representatives? It's just the people on it that's important. Literally move to shorts and you've lost nothing except Chinese meddling.

Tiktok ddossed the senate phones lol 😂😂😂

No lines on maps ?!

I’ve been to China and the irony is that they’ve banned all the western apps and won’t even allow VPNs but get upset when America bans an app which is a security threat😂 another great irony

@hwg5039

2 ай бұрын

Ok but I'm reading this comment in China with a VPN.

@elmohead

2 ай бұрын

Zero irony, actually. China never claim to champion free speech. USA, however...

@user-ps2nn5pj4g

2 ай бұрын

Apples and oranges. China didn't mandate that FB sell its China market to China. US mandates the sale/divestment of the technology. Furthermore, China dinged US platforms for non-compliance with their laws. NOT because it wanted to steal the technology. And you're wrong about VPNs, too. Everyone I know in China has one.

@nightowl7261

2 ай бұрын

Everyone knows China has censorship and China doesn't ever claim to be the leader of free speech. The USA and the rest of the West, though, does. So it's ironic when the US wants to ban this and that but still goes around claiming to be the leader of free speech. Lmao

@zenastronomy

2 ай бұрын

2 issues with your argument. 1) china did not ban any western apps, they allow them to operate in china so long as they follow Chinese law such as spying on their public. American companies left as they said they didn't want to follow Chinese law. 2) china never said it was a champion of freespeech, freemarket capitalism and liberty, that's the west. the west can easily admit to the world, we don't believe in freespeech, free markets or liberty etc. And ban tiktok. but west doesn't want to admit that. as they use their good guy image as PR to make china and russia and iran the bogeyman. how does it look to the world, seeing usa behave like china, russia, north Korea 😂😂😂

The GPS jog tracker was how they murdered a russian war crime general in moscow

9:09 I’m holding you to it lol

At the risk of sounding stupid.... Was the "no one under 40 uses Facebook" remark satirical? 🤣🤣🤣

@PeterMuskrat6968

2 ай бұрын

Half truth. Facebook is pretty much the “old person” social media app. There are definitely people under 40 that use it, like my sister who is 25… but it won’t really get flooded with new users if Tik-Tok does get banned.

@KaosNova2

2 ай бұрын

Instagram shows more younger aged people on it and it’s also the same owners as Facebook so the author failed to mention that point

TikTok and Temu should’ve never been allowed to be used in this country. I would personally ban any products from China, Russia and Iran indefinitely.

@lrmry

2 ай бұрын

👏 👏

@PherPhur

2 ай бұрын

Temu are selective scammers, they won't last too long, or they shouldn't anyways. IDK, people are stupid and they get 10x stupid with low prices and a spinning wheel of deals.

@Adam-wg2rf

2 ай бұрын

Temu ?

@cynthiaherbst3909

2 ай бұрын

​@@Adam-wg2rfit's like Ali Express, but somehow more sh*t

@user-assoul_

2 ай бұрын

@@Adam-wg2rf yes, look it up. They are spying on you too. Temu is a Chinese based app as well.

in just one second this video already has mistakes. TikTok is not banned in china. TikTok is douyin in China.

@Strideo1

2 ай бұрын

They're not the same.