Bro, I never expected you to actually cover the OG jedi beginnings, you are tops among star wars people

@yungpo9853

2 жыл бұрын

Why not? He discusses tons of star wars topics.

@Ziangal

2 жыл бұрын

@@yungpo9853 its why I'm saying he is

@robslife27

2 жыл бұрын

Fr fr!!

@alaricgoldkuhl155

2 жыл бұрын

This comment has the same kinda energy I remember having after seeing Empire at the cinema at age 10. Thusly I concur wholeheartedly. This dude is awesome!

@Gamerafighter76

2 жыл бұрын

Eeyup.

To have balance, one must understand both sides of the force. To truly be complete.

As long as someone tells the story of the Je''daii order, their ways will never be forgotten. There is no ignorance; there is knowledge. There is no fear; there is power. I am the heart of the Force. I am the revealing fire of light. I am the mystery of darkness In balance with chaos and harmony, Immortal in the Force.The Je'daii Code

@kittycat0876

2 жыл бұрын

Like this better then what is in the movies

@ChibaMitsurugi19792

2 жыл бұрын

I would much rather be Je'Daii than a Jedi or a Sith. I am so for maintaining a balance between light or dark. I always thought the Je'Daii were similar to Gray Jedi.

@kittycat0876

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChibaMitsurugi19792 same

@GGrey1975

2 жыл бұрын

As long as there is a remembrance, even if that takes a form perverted into one form or other (romanticized as greatness, or vilified into darkness), then there's an immortality. The metaphysics of the Force are, at least in speculative debate, not unlike the magics/mysticism of Terra. Also, like the schism in that galaxy, belief based on duality of following only one of two paths has occurred based on dogmatic practices. Though, sometimes to have better understanding of the Light, one needs to perceive truth in the Darkness.

@ChibaMitsurugi19792

2 жыл бұрын

I could agree with that. There is no light without darkness, they’re two sides of the same coin.

The "Grey" Jedi were the ones who DID get it right; for TRUE balance, you HAVE to acknowledge and learn to harness both the light and the dark. I think Qui-Gon had this mind set

@ImYourOverlord

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on re: Qui-Gon :)

@ne2i

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly correct.

@BFloyd-lt8zh

2 жыл бұрын

Facts 🙌

@roberthicks1612

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that the grey are doing it right. You can not have light without darkness and you can not have the dark without light. You can not have right without wrong and goodness without evil. To deny one and pretend you are only of that, is to lose sight of the other. Without knowledge of evil, how can you know if you are actually committing evil. So many people in history AND fiction do evil things, thinking they are doing good. A major example of this is Hitler. He actually believe he was doing something good for humanity, that he was on the side of god. He believed those that opposed him were evil. Yet no one else would claim that, even his supporters.

@myself2noone

2 жыл бұрын

Well no because the Light Side is balance. The Dark is imbalance. There's not balance between being on a tightrope and being a red puddle on the floor. Light and dark is just a metaphor. Don't reason form metaphor it doesn't turn out well.

Thanks, I knew from reading various Star War novels about how the original Jedaii used both Ashla and Bogan ( sorry if the sp. is wrong!). I remember reading that while they recognized a balance between the two sides, if one indulged in too much time only on the “dark side”;one was required to: go on a retreat to meditate and reawaken the balance, and that separation was necessary in order to harm others while rebalancing. The two sides of Jedi and Sith actually “got it wrong!“. That is why so many truly powerful Jedi fell to the dark side, because no one showed them how to integrate, carefully align, and keep in balance the power of Bogan with the righteous protection of Ashla. If the ancient Jedaii were right, then we really need stories just about ,them, as well as perhaps a new series of how future Jedi and Sith find their way back to a unified Jedaii Order!

Id love a story about how corucant became a city planet and how it went from the home of that galaxy's humans to every alien in the galaxy living there along with the invention of the light sabers

When the final trilogy was announced, I was hoping that they were going to go down that line of story. It would have been interesting to show that the power of the Sith is from being outnumbered by the Jedi, and that the force seeks balance. It would have been very interesting to see that the Jedi had to return to the old ways to end the conflict and bring balance.

@jiacheng23

Жыл бұрын

Same here. It seems like a story of finding balance between the light and the dark would be a much more interesting story than rehashing the redemption of another Vader-like character.

@NottherealLucifer

Жыл бұрын

The ancient Sith had numbers comparable to the Jedi from various eras and produced some of the strongest Sith lords that have ever existed. The Sith's strength comes from the dark side being better at maiming, poisoning, and killing than the light side, not in having fewer members.

@dseliot83

10 ай бұрын

They kind of touched on it? When Ben was asking Rey to join him after they killed Snokes guards. Didn't Ben say forget the Jedi, forget the Sith? When they had that discussion I took it to mean there is only the force use as appropriate scenario dependent.

Knowing this was all uncanonized with Disney I was so excited when in Rogue One we finally hear the term "whills" and see an ancient tample on a planet named Jeddha! I thought - finally some clues to the new canon jedi order and this will be a great bread crumb laying so that future stories can explore the planet or go back in time and explain it's origins and mysteries and what happened? It got blown up, I was severely bummed by that... and also Jen and Ando dying, but mostly Jeddha lol

Now that would be a great origin movie. Although it would probably require 3 movies to tell the whole story.

@Keep1n1tFr0st1e

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking more of a series like the clone wars, 7 seasons and more spin offs after that to explain everything that wasn't

@swallowedinthesea11

Жыл бұрын

@@Keep1n1tFr0st1e I hope they do before WW3 happens soon!

@tooslow4065

Жыл бұрын

@@Keep1n1tFr0st1e yes, a series, not a movie. that would be better. then you could make spin-off movies following a particular character.

I agree with the Jedaii as they were closer to the bendu after the force wars the Jedi turned exclusively to Ashla but this seems to be out of fear of coming even close to the dark side in any way this caused the Imbalance that was Jedi and Sith that led to countless wars and the Jedi purges the fall of more than one Republic. Following the end of the Empire and the final end of Sith the opportunity there was to return to the balance between the darkness and the light.

@drpuma_2901

2 жыл бұрын

I concur

@tylermiller3120

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I was hoping that's where the new star wars movies were going to go like Luke teaching a more neutral way of the force since he was able to pull the light back out of Darth Vadar.

@shaunglasgow7186

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylermiller3120 I agree with this statement. As we know, the duality of the force was the entire premise of the whole of the Star Wars saga. It would've made sense to have Luke try and return the Jedi Order back to the neutrality of the Jedaii. Since he did have the ancient Order Tomes that he had read and memorized, you'd think that that duality between the light and dark would lead him back to the legendary planet where the Jedaii first began. In fact, this should be the premise of any future Star Wars movies going forward. At least the next trilogy anyway.

@timnolan1802

2 жыл бұрын

Seems apropos (almost like a sense of poetic justice) that fear, a thing the Jedi preach against so zealously, drove them to a division of dogma and style. Also, love the screen name, RedDwarfism :)

@Drakuba

2 жыл бұрын

even more fun/twisted fact is that jedi are directly responsible for creating sith, when group of jedi tried to branch out and study "dark" techniques they were banished, founding order entirely based on dark side

They were what we call grey Jedi. Finding balance in the force. They alchemy between the sword and crystal is bad ass.

This is great thank you for putting this out there. Learned alot

@TheStupendousWave

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@dianesinger9729

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheStupendousWave it was there was so much to absorb that we don't know about the Jedi

@hyofury5046

2 жыл бұрын

@@dianesinger9729 English knowledge left this comment long ago...... idk what you were trying to say

@zacharyb7638

2 жыл бұрын

@@hyofury5046 there's a lot more to be learned about the Jedi, alot more to absorb is what she was trying to say. I think she meant the je'daii. If so, I agee.

I think one of the best parts of your content is that despite being detailed and complete you leave enough out that reading the source materials is still enjoyable

Awesome Vid and also Happy New Year! Everybody! 🎉🎊🥳🎆🎇

Loved this comic so much! Thanks for covering it.

A Fair Deal of People: "Grey Jedi arent a thing!" The Je'Daii Order: "Yeah....about that..."

@texas1872

2 жыл бұрын

They're not a thing. Je'daii has an entire lore and is great story telling, this whole Gray, because they don't follow the orders rules, don't agree with the counsel, or what ever crap people are making up, is just a cheap way to explain the complexity of each individual Jedi. You're either a Jedi or your not, you're either a Je'daii or you're not. Not that hard of a concept.

@jaycgeo

2 жыл бұрын

When people can't tell the difference between Legends vs Canon, and it shows

@uriahnewtton7312

2 жыл бұрын

@@texas1872 that is true either one or the other

@Im-Not-a-Dog

2 жыл бұрын

@@texas1872 Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

@Im-Not-a-Dog

2 жыл бұрын

@@texas1872 also, the whole co cept of Ashla being the Light, Bogan being the Dark, and Bendu being the middle kinda proves you wrong. And thats from Rebels, which is canon.

I’d love to see a spin off of someone or a fringe group of jedii that practiced both sides come about in the cannon. I feel like they’d be super powerful

@joshuagodinez5867

2 жыл бұрын

It could go either way. The combination could make them more powerful or the two sides could have a balancing effect on each other making spectacular abilities impossible. Incorporating both would seem to be represented by anyone trained in the light and descending into the dark which would mean the force user would be most powerful when in the middle of the transition. Since none of the dark Jedi were more powerful than the emperor (while transitioning from light to dark) that wouldn't seem to be the case. So, for the mix to be powerful there would have to be some conscious blend. If that made them more powerful then there's no reason why someone would choose only one path and lose power and affinity with the force. Maybe there's a side-effect that isn't particularly pleasant. Then you'd have a motivation to leave this powerful state and move toward the absolutes of light and dark.

@freepplay

Жыл бұрын

Dearth revan is a good example, he practiced both and is considered one of the strongest force users ever

@NottherealLucifer

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuagodinez5867 That's how video games work, not other works of fiction. The writer could make them have whatever power they wanted, there's no canon rules saying its impossible.

Never ceases to amaze me at the depth of the starwars story...

That's was a great video I really hope that you keep it up I love how u explain it all in depth so keep it up once again great video

Awesome breakdown! Probably one of my favorites of the Mythos and Legends of The Force. MTFBWY Always!!!

Now this information should be put into movie format. I'd love to see it multiple times.

Happy New Year 🎉🎊

I first heard of the Je'Daii through the book titled Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void following the Je'Daii Ranger Lenora Brock as she was tasked with stopping her brother from committing an act that could destroyed the Tython system. Edit: I just noticed that autocorrect had changed Lenora to Laborer without my knowledge.

Without one, there can't be the other. Harmony is key.

You are amazing . Live your videos

This is true balance because neither the Jedi or the Sith are correct, the Je'daii are the true corrected choice here. While it is true that the whole Gray Jedi remained just as a concept, the ancient Je'daii Order is what can be truly considered as gray because they use both the light and the dark and also do not attach themselves to politics.

@RedDwarfism

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed this is what caused the Imbalance that made the Dark side a more powerful threat and led to the Sith leaving the Jedaii path was a mistake and a costly one both for the order and the Galaxy.

@RedDwarfism

2 жыл бұрын

This is why Legends makes more sense because after the Death of Darth Vader - ( Anikan Skywalker) balance is meant to have been restored in the books Luke returns the Jedi to the veiwpoint that there is no light or dark but only the force that Ashla and Bogan represent facets of the force and that both can be learned without giving into the dark completely or rejected all that the dark side can teach.

Great Job!

Some of this I already had known, though was wise enough to understand there was more. For what I did not know & you brought forth, I thank you. With over 30 millennia from the schism to the Battle of Yaven, speculation on what/how much of history would change if the split of the Je'daii that preceded the formation of the current Jedi & Sith. The balance is a hard keep belief/idea, being similar to the Yin/Yang of Tao Buddhism, & my ponderings on is that the schism was a trial. One in many that have happened. If the schism did not happen at that point, there most likely would have been other times a similar event could cause an equivalency of separation. The many conflicts of ideas had many micro-schisms within the Jedi order (the break a way groups) and from outside (any conflicts/wars with other Forces based groups, even their former own), which I base my musings on. Many of those conflicts/diversion between Force users this channel, and I thank you for bringing forth those as well. While many view items/subject like this only as Legends, there still room for it to be Canonical History: as long as minds are open & no new facts (Canon) conflict with (at least in my head).

Actually this beginning would make for an awesome Disney+ series…

That was pure awesomeness!

Wow that's amazing

Loved those old videos you did on the origins of the Jedi and Sith; this one was really cool, because it went a lot more in depth. Also, I think it’s cool how the Pyramids came to bring the Jedi’s ancestors on Tython; I wonder who or what created them, possibly even the living force. Interesting how the force saber drove the ancestors of the Jedi and Sith apart into what we know them as today.

The next set of movies need to pursue this history. Long overdue

There is no darkness just light. And lack of light. Do not be afraid of the dark. Stand in your light so nothing can affect you. Let go of the fear. If you are afraid of the dark, you are easily affected by it. Do not be afraid to feel it is just emotions that need to be out and cleared so you can take in more light.lov and light.

I remember reading about this awhile back and about the Je’daii and such wow never thought would hear this in youtube

Makes me think of baby grogu. He has been known to use both sides of the force. Untainted by the dogma of either side. The child will not bring balance..... but a centre to the force

Great video

@TheStupendousWave

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Jedi Ranger sounds so dope, it sounds like some spec ops type shit 😂

Is it ever explained who sent the ships to all those worlds?

Love this comic nice one SW

@TheStupendousWave

2 жыл бұрын

Same here!

Thanks

Was always Intresting to see the foundings in the first mission of one of the SWTOR Stories. The founding of the Jedi were explained and who it actually was.

To understand balance, you have to understand that light and dark were meant to coexist, like sides of a coin

Awesome

Wow interesting to understanding the ashes of The original Jedi order and The Sith Order.

Love it

I think the Jedai did have it figured out, far better than their later offshoots - Jedi or Sith. There can be no light without darkness, & no darkness without light.

Sweet Pip-Boy @ 6:57

I never knew any of this. Can this be an new movie saga please?!!

This would be such a great movie

Why none of this era has been flushed out in cinema is beyond me...

I feel Qui Gon Gin was right there is no Completely dark or light. Balance is the nathural way of things. There are always going to be those that are more one than other. Nature (without man) always goes back to balance.

The Je'daii are my favourite. It's a shame the sequel trilogy didn't try to 'recreate' them.

MORE Lore Please

this is why i like mace windu style of fighting, it seems to me the coolest characters are the ones who can partake in both sides, starkiller is an example as well, kind of.

They need to make a series about the first people

Ok now i can call you the biggest star wars fan "EVER"

@daganlove8536

2 жыл бұрын

Nah that's geestlys

@RenaldoBisnath

2 жыл бұрын

@@daganlove8536 ok

@TheCasaresway

2 жыл бұрын

My quatloos say a different story

@soccerboi4207

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao🤣 no please stfu

@RenaldoBisnath

2 жыл бұрын

@@soccerboi4207 okkkk sorrry

Ty for sharing ur lov for star wars i have grown as a gray jedi cause of ur shared language 😂

So if the jadai are light and dark balanced and the Jedi are purely of the light then seems to me that palpatine was doing the will of the force to bring about the conditions in order for the chosen one to bring balance. Maybe the jadai have to return in order for the Jedi of the light to shine. Maybe the Jedi meet their demise because there were no jadai to provide balance and maybe anakin could be a physical manifestation of a jadai who wasn’t taught it’s ways which in turn caused him to be seduced into the dark.

But who builded the pyramid ships?

In Rogue 1, the planet in the beginning of the movie was Jeddah. They suggested heavily this was a Jedi holy place...was it not a place of their origin?!

@DCapps1994

2 жыл бұрын

I think thats the new Canon birthplace of the jedi not sure though

@michaelwachendorf2096

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder that myself.

I've always been interested in the division of the Jedi and Sith between their views on power... And I can add one thing... Each side has led to an imbalance in power. Light cannot exist without shadow. And a simple path to the prophecy that each side saw differently.

But where did the pyramid ships come from?

Dawn of the Jedi is such a great book so sad the sequel will never get made.

I'm glad that people are starting to see the fake facade of the Jedi. We need a film about the Jedai. This is the story of the Jedai that I've been looking for. The division of the Force into light and dark at war is a deep misunderstanding of the Force of life and this misunderstanding has always restrained my enjoyment of Star Wars. Which comics discuss the Jedai? Zen Buddhism is the way of the Jedai, not the Jedi. Here's an excerpt from a famous Zen verse: Right in the middle of the light there is dark, don’t use the mutuality of darkness to meet it. Right in the middle of the dark there is light; don’t use the mutuality of the light to see it. Light and dark are mutual polarities, for example, like front and back steps."

@joshuagodinez5867

2 жыл бұрын

I think it would be ironic if force-insensitive people, meaning almost everyone else, had the force in balance and that force sensitive people are by definition imbalanced.

@GregoryWonderwheel

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuagodinez5867 Yes, there is bit of truth in what you say about the Force. It's not black and white, but it is true that the attempt to tinker with the Force creates as much disturbance and not when that attempt comes from our thoughts, and not from the Force itself.

@myself2noone

2 жыл бұрын

This is reasoning form metaphor. The light side is not yang. The dark side is not yin. The light side is the five precepts the dark is the five hindrances. There's no balance between these two. The "balance" you're talking about is closer to the western consept of apatheia. A Stoic term that implys a freedom form the passions. It's unfortunate that light and dark is the metaphor chosen, because it dose lead to this kind of confusion. However that is what George Lucas had in mind when creating the universe.

@GregoryWonderwheel

2 жыл бұрын

@@myself2noone This is a good point about what the Buddha taught. Sadly, people who hear "light" and "dark" translate that without reference to the Buddha Way. However, you are still wrong about there being "no balance" between wrong-doing and dortiing-good when stated in as absolute dichotomy. The Middle Way and the Eight-fold path are defined by balance. Smrti means to be aligned in balance.

Yet why the Je"daii did not rebuild afterward like the Jedi did through the eons ? The High Republic would had been a great era for the return of Je"daii age

@eds1942

2 жыл бұрын

Presumably, when Bogan split from Ashla, it split the Force itself. Lucas didn’t really say much more about the era than that before he OK’d the EU writers at Dark Horse to develop that era. A more practical explanation would start with being isolated in the Tython system and living on a world where each of your Order’s factions have to work in harmony with each other and nature to keep their world habitable or risk being exiled alone or going insane is one thing, while having a whole galaxy to explorer and keep the peace in where individuals or the different factions of your Order could just chose to break away and move off to their own far off corner of the galaxy if they decide that they no longer agree with the High Council is quite another.

@MrAranton

2 жыл бұрын

The Je'dai did not see the aspects of the force through a lense of morality like the jedi do. The Je'dai did not assign moral evaluations to Ashla or Bogan; to them they were aspects of the living force and calling one of it evil and the other good made to them about much sense as calling tails on a coin good and heads evil. To the jedi on the other hand everything Ashla is good and everything Bogan is evil. Asking jedi to rebuild the je'dai amounts to asking them to find a balance with the most evil thing they can imgaine. They're not going to participate in such an endeavour. On top of that: Because je'dai seek to integrate the dark side into their force usage, jedi would probably consider them dark-side users that are dangerous and try to eradicate them "to protect the galaxy from the dark side". After the various wars between different incarnations of Sith Empire and Galactic Republic the general public seems to have the same good-vs-evil view on the Force the jedi have. They, too would probably see je'dai who use both the light and the dark side as a threat. Even if the galaxy wouldn't outright attack a reformed je'dai order, that order's reputation in the general population would make it nigh impossible for them to recruit new members.

The Je’daii had it right as long as there was no outside force influence. The moment something powerful but corrupting showed up they were destined to splinter

I think the light and the dark sides are like waves that line up periodically, but have different frequencies, like a rolling shutter effect. when the waves line up for a while, force sensitives can practice both sides without succumbing to one side or the other. or something. sorry, I'm high af 🙇

Must be legends cause this is different from what Disney wants us to know.

@myself2noone

2 жыл бұрын

This completely different form what George Lucas wanted us to take away form the story too. So I can't really blame The Mouse for that.

The Je’Dai order has it right from the jump

very neat story how jedi began

The path of balance is never a path of stability. A man walking a tight-rope is balanced, yet always on the edge of falling.

Imma be honest. I spent the entirety of this video trying to find out how you say Jedi and Je-Di😂

@riaingalligan8461

Жыл бұрын

Jedi, Je’daii

You'd think in 36,000 years technology would evolve a bit more. But maybe the Force is so powerful it keeps everything grounded

Not sure if this is canon history but if it is I think it’s an interesting take on the origins of Jedi n sith, though a bit..safe plot wise. Considering the Thoyor (spelling?) kind of showed up and shepherded a bunch of force sensitives to a planet makes me wonder where THEY came from. But then again the random dark-side user crashing into their planet also brings up questions Idk, I like it but the plot makes me want more scene to fill up the spaces. After creating my fan-fiction about the origins of both Jedi and sith I really would like to see a good, nicely paced story about the origins of the Jedi, centering around maybe one or two characters

@fgtrhwu2

2 жыл бұрын

Could be the Ones that sent it, maybe the Father specifically

@baldrian22

2 жыл бұрын

the JeDaii order was from legend, not sure if it have been implemented in "cannon" yet, but they have done several of the ancient sit lords so they might bring this to cannon or a version that got some smal changes

I'm very interested in more information

Where did you get this stuff?

where did the permed shaped ships come from who made them

I think they should make a trilogy about it.

Hmm. Seems like great source content for several movies.

@emperorgizmo3014

2 жыл бұрын

No extra canonical material exists! Duh! Derp- Darth Kennedy

like Bruce Lee's Jeet Kun Do. "The way of no way." is best. But also don't let, "Way of no way," box you into utter lack of form to anything. Open mind, will power, use that which is useful, throw out which is useless, and create and keep what is from you." BALANCE!!

I wear long sleeve shirts under short sleeve shirts under long sleeve shirts.

So, what separates the dark and light? Why can't Jedi dwelve within both like they used to?

Imagine an open world game set in this world, you’re free to choose between light and dark. It will be a force enabled skyrim

What are the comics or books that serve as source for this video?

But who built the ships and who knew what they was for?

I knew about the steel swords but where did the mystery force pyramid spaceships come from?

GO GO JEDI RANGERS!!!

You got to go with the balance the OG's knew they said you can't have one without the other

Ok now I want to know where this ships come from.

I need to know what the music is

i loved this video can we get more on the force saber tho

Those ships remind me of the mortis ark in clone wars

Amazing

Is it just me or does everyone else want this as a movie or show the birth of the light and the dark grey Jedi and how it all came to be

Ashla, Bogan, The Light & The Dark. They are The Force. We can not have one, without the other. We either have it all, or we have none of it. May The Force serve you well. Or at the very least, be with you.

So, who created the pyramid ships?

RICK LONG CANBERRA NERDS INC ! I WAS THE FIRST JEDI ! KAMBAH REPS ! 😀

I always have to search for headphones because it sounds soooo low on speakers :( is there something wrong with my speakers. It's like this in all your videos :((( i want to look at the video as well but sometimes I have to press the speaker to my ear if I'm on the phone 😭

Jeddaii