“Smoother than the DD1”. Love the new gen base, but let me quickly cry in a corner with my dd1 xD

@Ermz

2 жыл бұрын

At least you have that badass Michelin next to your name!

@X2R_Aquila

2 жыл бұрын

I'll gladly take it off your hands!

@M4rkV3n0m

2 жыл бұрын

Still not better - FW updates will help us along and in the end the differences are a matter of setup I am sure. the CSL DD might be coming out of the box better defaulted. Meh.

@trojbcc

2 жыл бұрын

First world problems :-)

@beautifulbeaner

2 жыл бұрын

@@M4rkV3n0m DD1 owner addicted to copiom

I'll never understand how these guys can make such fancy wheels and still to this day have the worst online shop on this planet. How.. why.

@okkeboonstra4587

2 жыл бұрын

What is so bad about their shop I seem to never have any problems

@Skippernomnomnom

2 жыл бұрын

@@okkeboonstra4587 I legit do not understand what all I need to complete this kit/what all is compatible. For example, I think the WRC wheel works with this. But, it doesn't show up when I use their configuration

@thomassmith4999

2 жыл бұрын

@@okkeboonstra4587 Its just crazy, you can't buy the things you want without having things you don't want. Like.. I just want a wheel that runs on PC and PS5 and clutch/load cell pedals. They firstly never have stock of the Playstation kit without the silly F1 style wheel and you can't get that with the Load cell pedals. And the wheels don't show up as William said, it's a mess. It's just impossible without spending double the money for a bunch of junk you don't want. Even worse than that last year I had some things in the cart on black Friday and I never could check out, wasted the entire day trying.

@davidhowarth3036

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!! Finally someone else noticed. Far too convoluted.

@mikeymouse2

2 жыл бұрын

It's horrible

There's almost nothing I want to hear more on a Monday morning at work than you saying "better than the DD1." Cannot wait until mine ships. Thanks, mate!

@MissedApproachMagpie

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha me too bro me too 🙏🙏

@randoeboy

2 жыл бұрын

When do you get yours? I have to wait till end of november

@theonlyegg

2 жыл бұрын

@@randoeboy I was 2nd wave, Sept 20th.

@randoeboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@theonlyegg sick

@cristian51

2 жыл бұрын

i tried it today and its mindblowing!

Just a note - the three pronged plug is UK not North America - but a great review none the less

Great review with good honest reactions, can't wait for October & mine to be delivered (with boost), thank you for the review 👍😀

Hey Ermin, great job on everything you do. I noticed in this video, you're a a bit shy of what this servo is capable of. Clipping and loss of fidelity only happens if the green clip flat lines. Up and down spikes can exceed the top line here and there and you will still have the all the nuances given. Fantastic job as always my man.

Damn bro you got my mouth watering 🤤. Now my patients is out the door waiting for mine haha. Great detailed info as usual 👍. You look happy as a kid in a candy store, all smiles 😁. Glad your having fun with it. Thank you for this brother (as I sigh and relief knowing I made the right choice) 😉. Forever Racing 🏁

The combination of my pigeon starved arms and coming from a G920 plus the heaviness of most modern cars steering makes this an awesome upgrade - might even be light enough to mount on the Playseat Challenge.

Very nice review. You convey your thoughts very well. Keep up the good work!

An excellent review, thanks Ermin. I am now sold on the CSL DD to replace my beloved 10 year-old Fanatec CSR.

It's the first time i watch your video...i was lokkiing for the review of the DD. But now i want to follow you on KZread.... You are a beast, i like how you drive and speak at the same time😱😱💪

I think its great news because now game developers will focus more on DD force feedback instead of trying to acccomodate everyone. Raceroom showed the way lately because at least with an SC2 Pro its the best feeling of all now. I bet they already have a DD1 replacement in the making because you just need more headroom to avoid clipping.

Thanks for the video, I'm glad to hear your report, hopefully getting mine in September with the larger power supply. 👍

Great review! Thank you for confirming that I made the right choice with the boost kit and the McLaren v2. :) I really can't wait to receive the DD!

When most reviews are comparing it to the DD1 and the DD2, and not the T-GT or T300 or CSL Elite. It means that it is an infinitely superior product, and that it will be an incredible leap for ordinary fans. Without having to mortgage your house to enjoy it to the fullest.

@High.on.Life_DnB

2 жыл бұрын

Well that's also because all those other wheels you mentioned aren't direct drive wheels. But I'm sure people have compared DD wheels with non DD wheels before.

@CalculatedRiskAK

2 жыл бұрын

@@High.on.Life_DnB Those non-dd wheels are near this one's price bracket, though, which is why it is a valid comparison.

@user-wq9mw2xz3j

2 жыл бұрын

@@CalculatedRiskAK and you still can. according to many, it's not that superior to csl elite or tm alternative. You get a tiny bit more smoothness (and possibly detail) while offering a bit ffb power.

@mrmidnight32

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget with review units and when reviewers work with companies. They also have contractural talking point retirements for their reviews. So that may also be why you’re not seeing specific things mentioned or compared. It could just be how they want their product reviews structured for their intended markets. Doesn’t always mean is just superior. There is a lot of legal behind the scenes with product reviews from sponsored channels and review units.

@AC-wl7ve

2 жыл бұрын

in fairness this thing did cost me over 2 grand (cad) by the times i added a wheel, pedals, and had it shipped.

I CANNOT wait for this. Definitely treating myself this year

Really enjoying this review as I watch the tracking updates for my csl dd Formula v2.5x and csl pedals

Great video Ermin! Gotta start saving up for it soon

Great review. For calibration of shifter, mine (DD1) was off by one in that the Win10 Control Panel software said a different gear to what the display was saying. Go by the display, and one of the buttons on the rim to proceed to next gear.

I guess I should wait for the next gen of DD1 as I was planning on picking one up, but if this is better the new DD1 should be game changing

@virtualawakening2299

Жыл бұрын

Look at the Asetek Invicta! Holy Sh#%!!! It has such a fast slew rate, it warps you into the future!

Am considering the csl dd, great info in this video 🤩🤩

My new favorite youtuber!! Damn keep up the good work !!! Really enjoy your videos!

im looking to buy this and you have answered 3 questions i had ..so thank you.

this looks amazing. i bought a csl elite just before this was announced do kinda sad but saving up all ready

I think sabotaging their own high end is a smart thing because those who bought it may have reason to buy another Fanatec product while otherwise they would have kept their base for years. If they improve higher end with this new motor is probably the next step. Hopefully first though a 10-12 version cheaper than dd1.

@daviddanser8011

2 жыл бұрын

CSW DD very likely

@KyleP133

2 жыл бұрын

Additionally, I think the converse is probably the more important part - they didn't intentionally hamper this wheelbase for the sake of protecting their own high end wheelbases.

@sephiroth4543

2 жыл бұрын

@@daviddanser8011 8- 12 nm torque would be perfect

@virtualawakening2299

Жыл бұрын

I TRULY HOPE (beyond hope) that a NEW 12Nm power supply will become available for the CSL DD. lol. Pipe dream, eh? but my CSL DD doesn't even get hot, so maybe (squeezes sphincters to oblivion) (However, I have my driver at 70% and ACC below 60%, so I have a LONG way to go to max out 8Nm, and I'll be too old to want it. lol (*cough) "you young whippersnappers!"

@ThBlueSalamander

9 ай бұрын

​@@KyleP133they did do that and I'm sure this thing is even capable of outputting way more with its efficiency as shown.

Mass effect Soundtrack in the Background...i love it 😍😁

i can totally see Fanatec updating their two Podium Wheelbases at some point with the newer motor technology. i am just happy to have been patient for all that time and now will be making the jump from a t300rs to the 8nm CSL DD and cant wait until my unit will arrive (unfortunatelly its still 2 months away) :(

now i know this is gonna work with the wheel i want thanks so much

Man thank you for the info much needed

Also great review man! keepem coming.

This is awesome Ermin, really insightful and I'll definitely look to replace my CSL Elite with one. Can I ask - have you had much chance to try it on RF2 yet? I know you're not feeling sooo great about RF2 these days but would be fascinated to know! Thanks

@Ermz

2 жыл бұрын

I actually just tried them out together earlier tonight. Far, far better than my DD1s in rF2!

@calumwilson182

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ermz wow, high praise! And for you to replace your DD1 with it is testament to it! Can’t wait to pick one up, thanks for sharing your experience!

Thank you for what you do!

I am sooooo stoked for mine to arrive now! Any chance you can so a video on the best FFB settings for the various sims? :)

@MikeDavidis

2 жыл бұрын

November ain't that far!

@Sithhy

2 жыл бұрын

He already has made such a video

@nortski78

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sithhy for this DD?

@Sithhy

2 жыл бұрын

@@nortski78 No, not this particular one but DD's in general. The settings & values should apply to the CSL DD as well but will most likely need to be scaled down linearly to match the weaker torque of it

i like how you're using Rift instrumental. Its such a vibe.

Ermin actually acknowledged the existence of iRacing.... He’s come a long way. Lol

Very good review mate. Can´t wait to get mine shipped in september. Still driving on a hardly modded G29 which is ok, but doesnt give you the level of immersion you have with a DD Wheelbase. Had the chance to test a DD1 a friend of mine owns for an endurance race and its pretty hard to get back to an gear driven wheelbase, having this experience 😂 We drove the DD1 at around 8Nm, so I think thats pretty much comparable with what the boostkit CSL DD will offer. For me thats enough force, especially for long sessions. The true advantage of DD technology is not the amount of force you can get, but the level of detail it offers. So I think this will do the job very well.

@Ermz

2 жыл бұрын

Bang on.

awesome review! please do a video with FFB setting recommendation for each sim!!

There will be a new dd1 with that same motor style and it will be epic. It's the center drive motor and carbon shaft that translates better than most. Just wait until theres more power with that design.

Just ordered the CSL DD!

Even from the intro there was no chance this was going to be negative review. This guy was fan boying over this thing before he even opened the box lol

Great review. It's a winner!!

Really nice review. As a user limited to the tablemounted solution and coming from the G29 I'm a bit thorn. I really want the best for the buck and it seems that's the 8 Nm version, problem is that will probably be a bit flimsy on a tablemount..... but ofc, again I have the G29 now so the 5 Nm version will be a big upgrade, and I can go for the boostkit later down the line I suppose.

Perfect review!

Cannot wait for mine to arrive in Oct

Yo just stop working out at the gym and 8 NM is perfect!

Great vid man

I've really felt like over the years each firmware update to the DD1/2 has further removed the "notchyness" you feel under low FFB situations ESPECIALLY the more recent beta drivers. I feel like most people that complain about the DD1/2 feeling notchy use really dated firmware versions.

This thing is crazy small. Insane!

The Ridge Racer OST in the background is underrated

Cool Review Ermin.. I am interested in the weight savings so that's my angle. I have a full frame motion sim (so everything is moving - but rigid) and the weight the motors must move the platform can be EPIC in Hard Braking into Hard ACCEL. My CSL Elite is pretty heavy, this looks to be lighter. Cost is not really the issue, it's just weight. SO I do appreciate these early reviews.. I subscribed to your channel for stuff like this - So I can make my motion sim better --- DMAX motion sim ch

Great stuff 👌🏻👌🏻

great info about the sticker. Their decal or sticker need to be improve or use 3M quality as their product is not cheap. And also thanks for your honest review. One of the best CSL DD review available. I am glad i get the boost kit and for the record, i watch your video until the end. I really enjoy your review.

The title scared me. Lol so excited for March to get here

really appreciate the R4 music at the start !!!!!

Very nice and detailled review. I think that the csl dd (mine was delivered to me today, btw, with the booster of course 😃) it’s just the tip of the iceberg… I expect a PlayStation version, maybe a pro version, and also a full review of their high end equipment (dd1 & dd2), maybe implementing in them the inner driven dd technology, in the next future…. It would be nice to see a compare between this and the simagic alpha mini, that delivers 10Nm, but has an (little) higher price…

@virtualawakening2299

Жыл бұрын

They better offer a kit to upgrade to 12Nm!!!!! OMG! The sooner they publicate this, the better!

25:01 "I feel at one with this thing!" *BONK* the comedic timing is too much xd

Just ordered the 8nm DD. Had to sell my whole rig last year inc the Fanatec CSW v2.5. Miss simracing so I bought a new “smaller” setup. Looking forward to feel this 8nm DD with my own hands.

you got some good arms man💪

Nice review Ermin! You've given me the assurance that I've made a good call in pre-ordering, I'm super excited for mine to arrive! Quick question, what are the overlays / HUD you used for R3E (the radar, radio, timing)?

@KiselMaster

2 жыл бұрын

I think its "Otter hud"

@YpowT

2 жыл бұрын

@@KiselMaster Thanks for confirming. Having checked and downloaded, you are right. :)

i was already sold on buying the wheel from the time Fanatec announced it..but you and boosted media just put me well in the endzone on several other pitches lol

Hey man love the review, really in depth and considers all angles, could you potentially upload or share the settings yo used both for the wheel and the in game settings on raceroom and ACC please?

New here. Thanks for the video, very informative on a lot of what I was interested in hearing about. An observation though, it felt like the talking head segments had audio slightly off sync?

thanks about the heads up with the desk clamp, was planning on that. looking for an affordable way to mount the csl DD with clubsport v3 pedals

The British are going to riot after you called our electrical plugs 'American'.

@puza1274

2 жыл бұрын

I’m fuming after he said that. They don’t even look similar

@Daz555Daz

2 жыл бұрын

He should be forced to stand on an upturned one as penance for his crime.

@Pablosammy1

2 жыл бұрын

There's not many things for us Brits to be proud of these days, but our plugs are definitely one of them! 😂

@jonnyscott10

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah ngl that one stung 😂

@irodragon7184

2 жыл бұрын

@@puza1274 they kinda look similar if you're unfamiliar with them.

I want to see someone use a beefier power supply to see if you can hit that 10-12 Nm. Would be interesting to know what the max specs are for the internal motor in this case.

@themrwinston9570

2 жыл бұрын

wheel overclocking +_+

Ermin, you got me to pay another 500€ to my rig! Your review is what i needed!

@Ermz

2 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoy it!

Ermin you are such a good content creator 🤩

Thanks for this. I've watched loads of reviews and this is the one that has swayed me to commit. I've had all the bits loaded up in my checkout for about 3 days now LOL! Going for the bundle with the McClaren GT3 wheel! PS: Re fanatec sabotaging their own high end... I disagree... if what you are saying is correct, then it's what is called a "loss leader" - what you lose in the initial sale, but you gain a lifetime customer.

For those wondering this weighs half the weight of a DD1 and the Thrustmaster T500rs (which I own as well) is half the weight of the CSL DD. I love my DD1 but if your not training and doing track days at you really dont need a DD1. You can add this to a rig build that folds up to put out of the way for less than what a DD1 and wheel cost. The DD1 does NOT come with a wheel. The wheel rims are not cheap either.

@jeffreyreynaert9279

Жыл бұрын

How does it compare with the T500? Thinking of replacing mine with a CSL DD

And i bought the DD1 THREE monts ago 😅😅 But i kind of like it as a Workout, so i guess i did make the right descision in the end! I normally run it from 8-10 nm :) But this is so good for Sim Racing as a whole 😎😎😎

@JamaaLKellbass

2 жыл бұрын

I think you made a good choice. Podium, Clubsport then CSL.

Really enjoyed the unboxing with that Northlane song in the background

and thankyou a lot for video!!!

Can’t wait to save up and get the fanatec DD and some pedals, the g920 gives barely no feedback on ACC and it’s makes the car very nervous feeling all the time. Racing on a knife edge every race haha.

I had all this excitement with my DD1 when i had it dialled in perfectly (for my taste)

I really hope someone is gonna compare the CSL DD to the Simagic Alpha Mini as it is in the same pricerange. Edit: Also I think the idea of the boost-kit is that it helps budget-conscious people to get into it and have an easy upgrade path.

Thanks for sharing, want to see the comparison of fanatec entry and high end.

i noticed a few changes with the CSL DD that were made on the sneak, the DD1/2 rubber is gone, a potential solution to the flexing issues, many reviewers now have actually said its a bit smoother aswell... another downside of the DD1/2 when compared to competing bases... its like... its like its a little bit too good, i bet if it had a fan built in it would far surpass that 8nm without issue aswell. i recently went from a DD1 to a simucube 2 pro and it was quite the eye opening upgrade actually, so bloody smooth and pin sharp quick so no regrets there but i have to give fanatec credit where its due, this is excellent for our hobby and with the inclusion of the QR2 which i can only imagine will knock the socks off the QR1 its going to be one hell of a sim racing tool.

@MissedApproachMagpie

2 жыл бұрын

Why would a quick release be so impactful. If people are buying entry level dd at $400 what makes you think they have 5 wheels to interchange to be greatly impacted by QR2? Is there something I’m missing?

@jinx20001

2 жыл бұрын

@@MissedApproachMagpie well yes... you are missing the part where I said flexing issues. The flexing issues are directly caused by the current quick release due to the natural tolerance required in order to be able to get the wheel on and off, if there was no tolerance you wouldn't be able to remove the wheel reasonably easy so this quick release design means there is a gap, a gap means there is wiggle room, some wheels are worse than others due to the variance in that tolerance which is why some people have bad flex and some people minimal flex. Flex is particularly bad for a direct drive because you are taking away its main advantage over belt and cog wheels, belt driven wheels for example feel more dampened than direct drives because when the motor moves and the belts take up the slack before delivering it to your hands through the wheel, the belts are very tight but there is still that minor slack in the system meaning the feedback is not instant and direct. A direct drive has no belts and cogs and the wheel is connected directly to the motor so there should be no slack... that is unless you have flexing in the quick release which will soak up some of that power before it reaches your hands. Fanatec has one of the smartest and yet worst quick release designs on the market, its super smart because it allows wireless wheels that can be powered by the base meaning you get all the benefits of a wireless system, with none of the negatives like wheels having battery life and limited button inputs over a Bluetooth module but on the other hand it's one of the worst because it lacks solidarity and relies on fragile pins to do the wireless magic. Hope that explains it.

@bigredracingteam9642

2 жыл бұрын

@@jinx20001 The tolerance issues are because of cheaper manufacturing - the tighter the tolerance, the more expensive it will be to produce.

@jinx20001

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigredracingteam9642 well im not so sure about that, due to the design there has to be some tolerance, wheels are already pretty tough to take on and off the wheelbase, if the tolerances were any tighter it would make the quick release aspect really difficult, its just not the best QR design really, the rubber is suppose to help with flex by closing that gap in the tolerance when squashed but because its rubber it still has movement in it so its just not great in general as a QR solution and fanatec know it enough they are looking to change it.

I preorded the CSL DD to compare to my CSW 2.5. I wondered if it would be a worthwhile upgrade. I'm now thinking that it may very well be. Great review as always!

@As5Hat

2 жыл бұрын

I would def sell the csw and keep the DD. It’s just better

@KnowerofThings

Жыл бұрын

was the upgrade worth it?

“Better than any belt driven unit by fanatec” after I already bought it when you said “better than the DD1” I feel so good about my choice to order it

Awesome review! Now I just have to wait for the Playstation 5 compatible version. Congratulations to all that will be enjoying this soon

Just ordered mine with over a month wait time and I cannot wait to try my first DD base over my G923. It's probably gonna rip up my NLR gt lite (yes, that's the next upgrade).

Can't wait for my CSL DD with 8 Nm kit to arrive soon to finally after many many years replace my old Fanatec Porsche Turbo S. Good thing with already being in the Fanatec eco-system is that with just some extra cables I can keep using my Clubsport V1 Pedals and the H-shifter (although that will get upgraded soon because that old shifter is plasticy as heck)

@antivanti

2 жыл бұрын

The moment I got the mail for early pre-order from Fanatec I jumped on it because I've been thinking of upgrading for so long... then I realized that my old flimsy as heck PlaySeat gen 1 won't do so I had to get a whole new rig... and just the new rig was a huge upgrade to the feel of the old wheel so can't wait to get the new wheelbase... and do many more laps around Nürburgring in BeamNG 😅

I actually have noticed that both you and another reviewer aren't perfectly satisfied with the force of the wheelbase, and all I could think of was my shoulders and back hurting from playing with my G29 for a few hours straight. I feel like this would kill me, but then I don't drive in reality, so I haven't got the muscle development from driving an actual car. So this thing sounds perfect to me lol.

My t300 just broke so I really can't wait till this one is out in november.. Gonna have to wait..

0:31 The BASE ONLY. Without a wheel, or the expensive boost kit; is priced to be mid-ranged.

Are you going to do a FFB settings video for the CSL dd in fanalab and the individual sims? Great vid,made my day as I preordered the base and booster kit!

I'd be very curious about the the voltage/amperage/tip size of that boost kit psu. It looks like a big laptop psu but costs like a name brand, gold rated, fully modular atx psu?

will try to get this next month, currently owning a t500rs but well it lacks a lot for me, rn the csl dd is out of stock but once its back ill get that 8nm

Does anyone know about some review/test with the CSL DD with 8NM with table clamp on a desk?

Right now on my G29 I would not have sensed that slide and corrected in time LOOOOL nice one! @13:04. I guess if you are coming up from a 2.1Nm G29 then 5Nm at base is okay and upgrade down the line to 8Nm.

Yes it may be the lowest priced DD control unit , but it is the now standard Fanatec Eco system . so the near 500 euro price tag including the boost kit is not for a full wheel and everything else that makes up a setup. once you add their cheaps wheel another 149 euro and basic CSL two pedal set 79 euro shifter 259.95 euro . and a handbrake 129.95 euro all add up to over 1,118.85 euro's . so it is still way more expensive than all its mid range rivals most that come with a more ready to run out of the box setup. On the flip side it is of course way cheaper than any any other DD system for a full setup and I am guessing a very good stepping stone into the next gen of Podium DD units that will no doubt use the same new internal design for their Higher end units in the near future. I am also sure that there will be cheaper ways to build a CSL DD system via buying used Fanatec wheels and pedals as well as a flooded 2nd hand market for Fanatec's old belt driven wheel bases. Can and will Thrustmaster bring a cheaper all in one box unit to the market or Logitech anything cheaper is going to be most plastic than metal . and for me Build quality for both Thrustmaster and Logitech for a few years now has been a major shortcoming for their products. bringing DD to a wider market is a good thing for sim racing but I still fears the costs are still to high for most players one a budget. loved the review thanks

Hey Ermin. I just got a DD1 last month and I'm not sure exactly what all these details are that you keep talking about. Could you do a video about the details you feel with a DD and how they affect your racing?

@benjaminsall3271

2 жыл бұрын

I haven’t compared a DD to a DD1 but I’m guessing the extra detail comes from that the DD has lower rotating mass. That means the mass that the DD1 has to rotate is higher that what the DD has to rotate. This is due to the DD1 being bigger and having a heavier shaft. The lower rotating mass will mean that you feel more of the lower forces on a DD wheelbase over a DD1. However some argue that the DD1 is more realistic since real cars also have a high rotating mass with the steering column and all. Hope that makes sense

@bigredracingteam9642

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminsall3271 It's the rotational inertia that's important. The mass of the axle won't make much difference. The additional details some people are talking about are most likely because they went with an in-runner motor for the Csl DD.

The video, information and review was best out of every other video I’ve been watching I have 1 question now the CSL DD has gone out of stock in Australia in this time will they release it for PlayStation when it is in stock again?

Like you sad 10-12 nm is the sweet spot, really hope that they bring a Clubsport DD to the market.

@seanmack9207

2 жыл бұрын

Oh it will come out straight after this lol 😂

@MissedApproachMagpie

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanmack9207 don’t hold your breath homie

I have the t248 boundle and I’m planning on switching to this and the most newton meter force I get is 3.5 😂 when I switch I can’t wait for my arms to fall off 😂

What a review! May I ask....what's the software of that to knowing the FFB clipping?

@Ermz

2 жыл бұрын

Many sims have it in-built. Check out my 'Fanatec DD1 & DD2 Force Feedback Guide' video for a detailed explanation on clipping, and how to work with it per-sim.

@SPEEDREAM

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ermz I'm playing ACC as normal....Thanks Ermin,I'll go check it out 1st!

I want to see how this stacks up against the sim magic mini.

Awh God damn, I have to get one now. Dayme

Any issues with your CSL DD like the shaft getting loose inside the wheel base? I'm wondering if that's a common problem...

Do you have to use the QR system? I don’t like the play in the QR and feel it would not bothers me one bit if it took 20 mins to change a wheel out. Are there features that only work with the QR?