Quite an interesting talk by a very intelligent researcher. We have to proactively figure out how to be good to each other, basically, and good to the environments we visit or inhabit. Based on our current world, we don't have a clue how to do this. Perhaps these studies will help us earthbounders.

Few people are qualified to address space and planetary ethics, and it is necessary research, conducted by not just scientists, but philosophers as well. I applaud this effort, as the lecture is thoughtful and insightful. I hope these issues are well considered ahead of time.

i really wish you guys would post the Q&A on all of these videos

There are already ethical problems with space exploration in that some of the same companies involved in space exploration and technologies are involved in the arms trade. Another thing is if there is some kind of Mars settlement - what happens if the entity sponsoring the colony goes bust? Suppose you have a colony of a few thousand people which is mostly but not 100% self-sufficient and they rely on regular resupply missions to keep them supplied with certain technological components some of which essential for the oxygen supply. Who if anyone is obliged to make that happen if the company that set up the colony just doesn't exist any more?

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

which is two good arguments for not allowing private companies to do this, at least not the core colony.

Youthful enthusiasm and an optimistic outlook on the future are something beautiful. As much as I share the enthusiasm for imaginary science fiction stories that project human civilization into space, I don't see how space colonization on a relevant scope could happen in the forseeable future. In the field of space exploration automated spacecrafts, robots and drones have taken most tasks that were formerly dreamt they would be performed by people. Another important reason why space settling might actually not happen and such space ethics considerations seem over-streched if not superfluous. There exists hardly any ethical, social or economic legitimation for settling people into space. Ethics in space is meaningless without existing grounded ethics of human society here. Something which humanity is still struggling with as we can observe by looking at the current situation in most parts of the present world. If only people would put the same amount of enthusiasm into ecological protection, establishing sustainable energy technologies or solving factually existing social and economical problems and disparities.

Want to hear more about that! Really interesting perspective!

It is wild we are even thinking about this.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

yup, and it's a good thing too

@twonumber22

3 ай бұрын

Especially not knowing if there's life already on such places.

Enjoying the lecture - and also as a fan of Science Fiction I see parallels with the recent 4th Series of 'For All Mankind' were they (in a dramatic fashion) deal with a couple of issues you mention at the start of your talk - such as 'Labour Rights'

A most excellent talk! And so needed. A couple of points that, for me, seem really important: a) companies going to space -- we know that a company has ZERO morality here on earth, as it's just to "enhance value" for the stockholders. Eg, the VW dieselgate, paying 30 billion euros in the US because 'guilty' and, later, lawsuits one by one in european countries where the lawyers argue there is nothing to pay because no fault. Just a game for the lawyers. We CANNOT export this sort of moral corruption to space, why would we want to do that? But, how can we not do that? This is the most serious problem on so many levels. Both humanitarian and environmental. The crunch will arrive real soon, probably with the first 'base' where 'others' are not welcome no matter what the 'base' is mining. b) looking to any science-fiction 'future' that is not dystopian, everyone is wonderfully educated. Is that a possible solution? PPS: again, wonderful video!

Inevitably, I'm thinking of an SF idea but anyone who has read Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy will be aware of the problems of spaceflight and the human "colonisation" of other worlds. It is heartening that forward thinking people are actively considering the ethics of space travel now before it really becomes reality, however, we have to have some oversight (restraint?) over the private sector soon as they appear to be pulling the wool over the eyes of governments and legislators by emphasising - as you discussed - the difficult technical challenges. As a resident of the UK I daily witness the damage wrought by privatised, once public, utilities where regulation is toothless and the owners of those privatised utilities ignore public need, have little regard for ethical considerations and shroud their dealings in secrecy justifying this by claiming market related confidentiality. The companies involved in commercial spaceflight already use such arguments and their perception as "Masters of the Universe" by politicians and the public appears to give them carte blanché to pursue their activity without question (with the exception of the FAA in the case of Space X).

You can copy paste some of these questions directly into DnD session and find out a lot about your friends 🎉

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

always good to apply some ethics questions to be answered from a character point of view. Some websites have sets of appropriate questions tuned to gaming.

Interesting, how many of these issues apply already now on earth, but we're stuck with the systems & mindsets from the past.

A thoroughly enthralling lecture!! Many thanks RI and Erika Nesvold. One question on an area of space ethics that is rarely covered; should religious belief, or lack thereof, be something that should be proscribed or encouraged as we explore space? Given how it helps bad people justify their behaviour, just as much as it is supposed to bring people together, would this tribalism be counter-productive? What would be the costs and benefits for either course of action?

@RandomNullpointer

3 ай бұрын

Religion, or rather religious behavior is an essential psychological need for many people. No doubt it has played an essential role in the survival of humans. I think it should need to be treated as an essential need for the people who need it. Like in the case of racism, the education should concentrate on the fact that different people have different needs for belief and different ideas to believe in, and we all should respect our differences.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

Let people be religious or not as they like. But prohibit any form of coercion on any others, no matter the religion.

@boxelder9167

3 ай бұрын

In the absence of moral absolutes then might makes right. Nearly every scientific discipline was founded by Creationists and it wasn’t until Charles Lyell wanted to “free science from Moses” that we started looking to animals for ideas about how we should behave. While it’s tempting to assume that we should abandon millennia of wisdom for our modern society to function better, I think that we are going to be relearning that lesson that if we are not individually internally governed by self restraint we are not capable of self governance as a society. Dictatorship is preferred to Anarchy as history has shown so inevitably we have two choices. Either we embrace a doctrine of divine moral authority above ourselves or we submit to a human dictatorship with all of it’s flaws and shortcomings. We can either accept that evil exists and accept that our passions must be bridled or we will be compelled to choose between the human version of the lesser of two evils (which happens to also be evil) and call it good. Once we are calling evil good it’s not long before we are forced to call good evil. Moral absolutes are good but we have defined them as evil in our will to cast off restraint. We have essentially made ourselves the arbitrator of good and evil and the “Golden Rule” is whoever has the gold makes the rules. There’s no higher authority to appeal to in a godless society. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If we abandon the lessons learned from thousands of years it may take us lifetimes to realize that we have authored our own destruction.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

@@boxelder9167 Nope, nope, a few more nopes. Most scientific disciplines were founded by people who said they were Christians because the alternative was death. Several, including the discoverers of the geologic column and evolution were Creationists until they worked out what they'd discovered and stopped being Creationists. There is a set of human morals followed by all cultures, but they aren't from religious dogma, and the Bible violates almost all of them at some point or another. So that's no use to you as it's not a reliable source of morals (slavery, mass slaughter, kidnapping of young girls for wives en mass, &c &c &C). Your claim about either choosing theocracy or dictatorship is proven bogus, for so many reasons I'm not even going to start. Your claim about either choosing evil or other evil is proven bogus, for so many reasons I'm not even going to start. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"--yes, look at any time the Christian Church has got any amount of real power. Religion is _not_ the solution, especially not a theocracy. Especially, which sect of what religion is in charge? There's 32,000 denominations of Christianity; which do you choose to be in charge? No. Wrong and bad idea.

@boxelder9167

3 ай бұрын

@@thekaxmax - The Bible covers all kinds of evil. Be careful with what is descriptive and what is prescriptive. The US Constitution is a good example of how to use the Biblical worldview as a foundation for government without it being a Theocracy. Even though the Bible was the first textbook used in public education and the institutions of higher learning were founded to train people in Theology doesn’t mean that those institutions are fulfilling their original purpose. Freedom is not sustainable without morality and the founding fathers who were overwhelmingly Christian understood that. They were also aware that Christianity is voluntary but that didn’t imply that it was irrelevant. Even the early law books had scripture references in the margins for justification of the laws. I realize that you probably didn’t learn any of this if you attended public school. They have been scrubbed of the roots of the biblical worldview and you probably wouldn’t know any of that unless you were inclined to do your own research. It’s true that many cultures have similar moral codes. The reason why is that moral absolutes are self evident and hence they are discoverable. Since truth is absolute, the truth is discoverable. Since the Rockefeller’s and Carnegie’s were largely responsible for our modern education system they were not interested in making sure that we learned logic or critical thinking. Modern education is mostly modeled from the Prussian education system which was created to produce factory workers and people suited for military service. Their goal was to make the population just smart enough to do their jobs and not smart enough to ask critical questions. Your argument about early Christian scientists hoping for evidence to abandon their Biblical worldview is not based on the historical evidence. Many of them wrote more about their faith than they did about their scientific research. Unless you are talking about Darwin who was trained in Theology but approached science like the Greeks did. What Darwin didn’t know was his downfall. We now know that the information on the DNA structure is not just linear but 3 dimensional in multiple layers. You can’t throw in some mutations without destroying multiple layers of information. Most scientists are becoming aware of this fact but when you have to keep your research grants coming in then you have to do it the way they want or find another job. Studies have shown that adults will give a wrong answer 1/3 of the time just to be like everyone else in the room. I realize that what I am saying isn’t popular and isn’t liked but we have reached a point in our knowledge about life to understand that Darwinian theory is false and lacks any adequate mechanism for adding new information. It can only select from the information that is already there. It is wholly inadequate to explain the existence of life, the variety of Genus’s and definitely inadequate for a cohesive and coherent system of morality. I don’t require your rebuttal or your explanation. I am well versed on the world view that you have been taught because I was taught the same things as you are saying. I used to think and argue the same things that you are saying. And I found out that I was wrong about almost everything I was taught and thought was true. I can’t go back to something that I know now is false after several decades of investigating it for myself. But I have a question for you. If I could demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that God came to earth in the form of Jesus Christ and provided proof that He was in fact God by raising from the dead, would you repent from your sins, ask Him for forgiveness and worship Him?

"buying air from the company" - what a fascinating mindset.

There is only one really important question and one that was not raised or even mentioned. But without resolving this issue, you cannot have a meaningful debate about any of the topics brought up in the lecture. And that question is “what is the source of authority in the situation of a space colony?“. it is worth remembering that in the colonial history of the European powers, it was really commercial interests like the British east India company that led governmental powers around by the nose. The remoteness, the level of capital, investment, and the inherently compromised situation of a government collecting taxes from these immensely valuable enterprises, ensured that there would be no form of reliable justice, but rather the state would lend its monopoly on violence to whatever outcomes the corporate sector of the day preferred. Long before slavery, this pattern was established, and it was through this pattern that slavery could be established. Similarly early union movements were doomed before they could arise because of the nexus of control that existed between corporate interests and government as a source of regulatory violence. Very naïve talk in deed that might lead someone who sees it to address what really needs to be resolved, and not this simulacrum of graduate school Lounge empty discussion.

I would think doctors and psychologists/psychiatrists would be good to include in the list of experts who should be involved.

Cool convo

it not only about the workers going bust but also what do you do with all your empolyees when your mine os compleatly mined out.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

yup, big ethics question, seeing it's common for mining companies here to shut down and leave all their workers hanging.

I doubt that there will ever be a mining operation on Io, but if you want a gritty take on labor relations in space, watch the movie "Outland." Forget about the Prime Directive, it is a device that is designed to be broken for dramatic effect. Carried to its logical conclusion, we can't take samples to check for life, because we may take the only life form "destined" to populate its world with sentient beings. Anyway, we are part of the universe, so what we do is just part of its inevitable entropy, and we might as well relax and enjoy it.

in a small space colony when during the mass of time that no one will be sick or injured what do they do. how large a population d is the minum population required for a medical bay to be buuilkt.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

About a dozen. What's your concern? Doctors know what they need, and so do space planners. Preventative medicine and environmental health is a full-time job if you've got more than a dozen people in a team.

I think nanobots and 3D printing will play a big role in making Outer Space 🪐 more habitable for humans. We could convert surrounding material (such as lunar or martian regolith) into building equipment tools or shelters. This would be much more economical than transporting expensive payloads.

It is interesting to me that the assumption is that people will "just live" on worlds with less gravity. The people planning Mars and other colonies feel people will "Adapt just fine", even though there is little if any proof of this. There has been a great holding back on learning about artificial gravity in space stations, and low gravity worlds. As such, there is already a problem. I will note that many of the people who are designing and building the equipment for colonization, openly say they do not think they will be among those who go.. Think of the teen ager who wants to go to university and the subject they want to study is offered on Earth. they are faced with being a cripple to pursue such a course. As Space habitats spin up to 1G, any Mars colony will become a slum unless they already have 1G habitats. The general feeling is that "space is not for a wuss" and only the tough will go. There are some sifi stories written on how this kind of slant in the "spacer" population might change things. Just one example, I expect there are many more. The distances will already isolate people even if the companies sending them are forced to pay for transport and living expenses up front. It is still a 2 year minimum stay for Mars and longer for most places. I am glad you and others are already thinking about this. I hope none of my children have to go to space to make a living because I think early days are going to be hard in a way that the "tough" have not thought of.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

Nope. This is being intensively studied, with quite a lot of money in it. Because if we go to Mars and discover we can't live there for any length of time it'll all have been a waste of money. There's quite a lot of info presented on how this research is going and what they're doing. There's _no_ 'holding back' on this data.

@lenwhatever4187

3 ай бұрын

@@thekaxmax Until there is one built in less than 1G, they haven't started. I am aware of the on ground studies, but they are all over 1G by quite a lot. They are all quite small. The tests seem to be relatively short time wise too. I think 12hrs max or so (I could well be wrong but the most I have read about is "over 10 hours") However, the idea that 2rpm is a limit, just as an example, may be less true with if the person is not dealing with excess gravity as well. Motion sickness tends to go away after 36hrs or so, even for people with quite severe cases. To my knowledge, there have not been test at all with rooms with flat floors and straight walls. Has anyone tried uneven floors? Like I said, not really started. The moon may be a good place to start because there is solid ground to play with. A circular train track or better mag-lev habitat could be quite large and provide 1G at various rpm. A long way to go. It isn't just in case we need it, a return from Mars after some years or birth on Mars without 1G would yield a cripple on Earth. A place where the slightest skin colour difference already (or still if you like) makes one suspect. Lets wait a few years before we create another race when maybe we have learned to get along.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

@@lenwhatever4187 That's my point. But we are testing in ways that are as useful as possible, including the people on the ISS and others--which _are_ in less than 1G effective. Go look at the research that's being done, that'll give answers to most of your questions. And if you think they aren't covering as much as you like or what you like, get to the research yourself. Just complaining isn't useful.

I will give an up-thumb for the topic, but I see little merit in it given the issues of ethics that we already have on earth.

How is crime dealt in Antarctica? I presume there are no prisons there either.

is anyone running a program to study space e space ethics.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

'space e space'?

@alexisdespland4939

3 ай бұрын

sorry don't know what happened there. @@thekaxmax

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

@@alexisdespland4939 what did you mean to say?

So… realistically we are still 70+ years away from something on the Moon we could call a settlement, let alone Mars. But of course we are already thinking about the ethics involved… Sometimes… oh well, some people have to make a living, I guess. As much as I like the RI lectures, but there are some topics where the air of ivory tower is just a bit overwhelming

@sentientflower7891

3 ай бұрын

Humans are never, ever colonizing space, the moon, Mars or anywhere else.

@twonumber22

3 ай бұрын

​@@sentientflower7891 We definitely could, it's just a long ways off. And not even worth it, imo

Where is the sense of wonder in talking about space exploration these days? Carl Sagan promoted the positive view, as did Valentina Tereshkova and Konstantin Tsiolkovsky before him. Motivation is important, otherwise it is not easy to persuade people to do the right thing with respect to each other.

if you lived in space could you operate on your boss or the leader of the colony.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

The military already have power-adjusting protocols for this circumstance. Use them.

Expect Martian emigrants to have their 'Boston tea party' moment in a couple of centuries

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

Depends if they are maltreated by the home state or not. If it weren't for painful taxes and no representation in Britain's govt do you really think that revolution would have happened? On historical knowledge, no; many of those behind and in the revolution were hoping for reconciliation with Britain not separation from it. The reason it went ahead was the king was a dogmatic colonialist arsehole and so were his advisors. Remember that a lot of the British lack of regard of the American colonists was coloured by it being used as a dumping ground for criminals.

Watch the Expanse all the questions are answered.

SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!

From grizzle past, glancing skyward, people began imperiously named score of space objects, bold enough to assume themselves masters of stellar void, not regarding vicious intention of this tiny-tiny blotches, which had had a rebellious, berserk nature. Principally, the axiom stalked by a scientist is ellegantly defy problems of taming environmental domain, probably vacant and not yet studied vastly as chemistry or planetary physics, popped out grandioso future for biology research. Thanks, i am absolutely infected by given lecture.

Low gravity = bone loss & organ failure

why dose envirormentalism matter once the destination where your going to industrailise proven to contain not local lifeforms.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

that's a core ethics question, which she covers in detail. Partly, once there's confirmed no life or fossil life then ethics and environmentalism becomes only for people. Go look up ethics.

@brotalnia

3 ай бұрын

it doesn't make sense, lifeless rocks are not worth preserving, there is an infinite number of them in space

@Alterraboo

Ай бұрын

Because nature and the environment are not about life. They are about all aspects shaping our natural world. Environmentalism isn't about protecting pandas. It's also about the forest they need, the soil it grows from. The rain it needs. Same with space

Is it ethical at all to live in space while there are such colossal problems on earth? Selling space resources to earth just to watch it continue choking?

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

manufacturing in space using space resources not resources down here is a huge deal.

This is just my layman's opinion but I think the idea of space being a "blank slate" and thus being an arena for modern liberal/progressive minded people to build their future utopia is just totally dead wrong. The first initial settlements of Mars will of course be extensions of the societies that found them, and any eventual larger Martian society will be built upon the foundation of those initial settlements. Absolutely nowhere in this process is there at any time a "blank slate". I think this is a good thing too for pragmatic reasons. Revolutionary societies built on "blank slates" don't tend to be very stable or successful societies, and are more often then not terrible places to live.

@deltalima6703

3 ай бұрын

I see you would not drink the koolaid

The only important question is: Should we expand outside the earth? The answer is YES!!!! So then, apart from ethics about individual protection (like all have right to life and freedom with the limits that reduced space and forced discipline let), the rest is useless and will hinder our possibility of expanding, thing we NEED desperately. Protect space enviroment? We are like micro bacteria in jupiter, we are nothing. Also contamination is not an absolute thing, it is related to affecting negatively an ecosystem. Without an ecosystem contamination is not even to be considered. So you found an alien ecosystem, jump to another satellite, planet, whatever and leave them alone. There is no ecosystem or we are talking of the space or a rock in the middle of nowhere, come on!!!!! no "enviroment risk". Those are the only 2 things to be considered, protect individuals (to the limits of space, resources and discipline) and leave alone alien ecosystems. Done, the rest is hindering our needed ability to expand outside the earth.

Prioritizing the well being of the unborn and their rights to choose and evolve out to guide any exploration, not just the space. 😅

Abiotic rivers???

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

rivers and mountains are not living beings, they are environments for things to live in.

Too bad she left out the most obvious one - ethics in interacting with potential intelligent life. But maybe that one is too complex and worth it's own Phd Thesis...?

Yes let's figure this out first before we send a million people to Mars

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

or 20. Which is the whole point of the talk.

well wolf agreement usa does not allow nor authorize the joint space exploration with china....think about that❤

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

America isn't the only country doing this.

@ipdavid1043

3 ай бұрын

@@thekaxmax look at u

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

@@ipdavid1043 ...how patronising. Answer the comment, if you're going to say anything.

@ipdavid1043

3 ай бұрын

@@thekaxmax how patronizing ur comment toward my comment not to you originally, look at you, face the mirror

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

@@ipdavid1043 Yeah, nah. You sound like a troll so I'll regard you as one.

Settling in space would end up in disaster. Evolution has optimized humans for living on Earth. Save her for future generations!

there's practical reasons to worry about preserving earth's environment, as practical as the advice about not dumping your sewage into your drinking water. there's not much correspondingly practical reason to preserve the environments of a lot of the dead rocks in the solar system. at best you're arguing about preserving some scenery. there might well be some actual life systems, under the ice of some jovian moons for example, those might well warrant preservation. beyond that i don't see much point in worrying about the ethics of doing things we don't know how to do anyway. this kind of subject is extremely academic. if we ever get out into the solar system for real, it'll be to make money. more money than you probably imagine. it'll be the history of the western hemisphere all over again, only orders of magnitude more so. the american colonists had all kinds of airy philosophical ideas about building a better world here, all in practice being given infinite amounts of lip service, to the point of composing national hymns about them and stuff, all being virtually ignored in practice, over and over and over again. i don't think this kind of discussion is worthless, discussions like this will be endlessly referred to by anyone actually doing this stuff in the future, but i'm sure whatever ethical arrangements are ultimately arrived at, will come about up there, the same way they came about down here, through political discussion, negotiation, and conflict. edit: the issue of cross contamination is a real and practical one. but i had to vomit my opinion before actually watching most of this as i'm kind of stuck for time and have to get to work thanks

We know that there is a person called Musk who wants to get to Mars as soon as possible. I hope that he goes there soon and perhaps raise a family. The future is bright indeed.

what do indian, japanesse or chineese space thisis say that is different then what westerners say.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

ask them, not us. She covers that.

We need more millennials like her to refrain baby boomers and gen x from destroying other worlds. (I'm gen X BTW)

🙄 Come on! You asked is it worth it to colonize other planets.? Yes, It is worth it! This is why it might take forever to become a multi-planetary sentient species. There will definently be plenty of scientific chalenges to colonize other planets let's focus on those. It doesn't have to be a utopia. Let's get on with this!🚀 Terraform Mars! 😊 Lets colonize before the human race is gone.

For a channel that is supposed to spread knowledgement and help people to understand science (as Faraday wished with his lectures), block the access to Q&A for non-members is too much hypocrisy. It is equivalente to predatory scientific journals.

so space ethics is so lame that it is nothing but we also have this in earth ethics ...

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

if it were nothing there wouldn't be space ethicists.

5:30 the most powerful question ever asked is "Why?". Why = gain or monies.. Fact. Religion for a long period stopped this question because God said so.

I think, it would be pretty hard to find a job as a space ethicist, he-he, but if someone wants to think about it at the free time, why not. Realistically, we don't even have a technology to mine asteroid belts, and will not have it soon anyway. Other questions about liberty or justice are more relevant to lawyers and international laws, but indeed, it's too early to think about it.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

her point, clearly made, is that it's /not/ too early to think about this stuff.

@dubiousName

3 ай бұрын

How incredibly naive

Ethics. Debatable utility when rescue is hours, days, months, or years away. Is it ethical to jettison one crewmember to save two crewmembers if doing nothing will result in the jettisoning of two crewmembers? Is it ethical to eat a dead crewmember if food supplies dwindle? Is it ethical to colonize space?

With the advances of Artificial Narrow Intelligent Humanoid Robots, the humans will be working remotely with Virtual Reality headset and a game pad, if not a full-body controller. Automated Robotics will be used… The Auto part is A.N.I.; to do redundant tasks that don’t need human teleoperation, the Mated part is full teleoperations. The theory that human’s work faster than robots in space is obsolete; in the near future, robotics will have quicker teleoperation robotics. The first human habitats will be in Earth orbit or on the Lunar surface with people who go to orbit to work, so what time will they have to commit crimes? Yes, they are still humans, and social conflicts are destined to happen, so any violent criminal will be sent back to Earth to be dealt with. Any non-violent crimes will be dealt with by the voted-for congress of representatives; yes, there will be a need for lawyers on space habitats… Once we have the Protection Cylinders with layers of habitats with millions of citizens, I don’t see what would be different from human rights on Earth. Protection Cylinders are a mile wide and four miles long, with layers of cylinders rotating on MagLev Rails for the 1G Earth gravity, so all children are welcome. I am sure that the lack of gravity is not the only thing that will prevent humans from having children in orbit.

Space news isnt a fast moving industry! Listen to yourself lol.

It is nice to see that people who speak about ethics are happy and smiley when talking about prisons and killing people.

5:15 ill keep fcking going...educate our kids with sht lol.

"Any good millennial". Not such thing see history for proofs AKA book of ethics.

No living environments like rivers and mountains??? Sorry what??

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

rivers and mountains are not living beings, they are environments for things to live in.

@Astrogator1

3 ай бұрын

@@thekaxmax they are both living systems, just as the planet it’s self is at least in part a living system. If it was not, then the atmospheric composition would be very different, the geology also would be different, this is just for starters. If I really need to explain this, then you are in the wrong conversation. There were several other things that she said that reminded of an undergraduate who had thrown a random collection of things from Wikipedia into a talk without understanding most of them.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

@@Astrogator1 Nope. A river with no life in it is just flowing water. It isn't a living system in itself. It's an environment for things to live in. As specified. Mountains the same. So a river on Mars and a mountain on Venus are both abiotic, unliving systems. And everything she said makes sense and is correct from a scientific point of view, so that statement of yours is incorrect. It just means your education may need to be a bit broader. She knows how to research, she didn't make that sort of mistake.

Are there any video games/movies where they've solved most of these issues that we can take lessons from? Granted we're not dealing with real flesh and blood people here but regardless. Maybe quests and bounties will be the economy of the adventurers and criminals. Currency can be a huge motivator. Also, the larger the scale of the project, the fewer single points of failure there are so issues of sabotage will involve far more organized people than many hardened criminals will put up with. Perhaps with increased redundancy, we can limit the motivations of criminals to comparatively innocuous acts.

@rickedenvall6731

3 ай бұрын

Kim Stanley Robinsons book series Red Mars deals with a lot of these questions.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

Not solved, but illustrated. You can't actually solve it without real people in real situations.

We had enough on everything, it the control of what's needed . But yes, we like to Believe, what they tell us. It easier to justify our evil.

4:40 no such people exist

"Any good millennial". No such thing; see history for proofs AKA book of ethics.

Maybe virtual reality environments will play more of a role than we think? Imagine essentially "reprogramming" criminals with video games tailored for cooperation. VR can also be a solution to the glum emptiness of space.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

those are both process not ethics, both good but not for this talk.

😂. Maybe you should also worry about all the ants and not to mention microbs we step on everyday.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

That's for other ethicists. WHy should she dilute her work by over-generalising? Silly idea.

@RS-mb6nn

3 ай бұрын

@@thekaxmaxLMAO 😄😂

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

@@RS-mb6nn what's the laugh for? Yours _is_ a silly idea.

@RS-mb6nn

3 ай бұрын

@@thekaxmaxI'm not the one worried about hypothetical microbs. That is the real silly idea here. Microbs 😂🤣. What about expanding sentient life beyond Earth that sounds much more paramount than worrying about microbs.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

@@RS-mb6nn then why did you post what you did? That was deliberately inflammatory. Also, 'microbes'. And they aren't hypothetical, you step on millions every time you move, but you don't kill that many of them.

You cant figure out anything. If you did not do the exploration then it is none of your business.

Ok, I can tell how young and lack of experience in life

It shows you have a podcast due to your verbal skills. Good talk, but a too much of a blabbermouth to me, sorry.

It will be 1000 time worse in space

If you got one, you got none.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

that doesn't mean anything

@NeilEvans-xq8ik

3 ай бұрын

It's a pithy saying that survivalists use in advocation for redundancy in one's systems. For example, if you've only got one means of making a fire and you have no back up, you have failed to plan for the potential failure of that system. So pack at least two!

@deltalima6703

3 ай бұрын

Two is one

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

@@NeilEvans-xq8ik Having backups is a basic assumption when being remote, to the point that such an aphorism isn't necessary. In space, 'if you've got two you've got none', anyway. Only having two is a point of failure; there's a good reason the Space shuttle computer system was three computers with zero power, hardware, or software elements in common, and this is still done.

@NeilEvans-xq8ik

3 ай бұрын

I got it from David Canterbury of Self Reliance Outfitters. He's a famous survivalist.

So many passive-agressive negative and naive reactions here. Why?

Nobody on Earth has the background in expertise to answer any of my questions. Use your own philosophies is my opinion. Opinions are most definitely over rated. Fact. End.

No ethics on Earth - why space? Cat's out of the bag. Orbital debris will soon enough make human space travel like Russian Roulette.

@iteerrex8166

3 ай бұрын

It’s preventative measures. You write up some ethics, from which you come up with laws and regulations to prevent others to do anything.

@iteerrex8166

3 ай бұрын

But as we know it’s rules for thee, not for me. 🤷‍♂️

@iteerrex8166

3 ай бұрын

I know your question was rhetorical, but it was a good opportunity to say something.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

and that's being dealt with. She knows this, and it's not part of her job and not part of this talk.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

@@iteerrex8166 "you come up with laws and regulations to prevent others to do anything."--that's _not_ what ethicists do. It's not what govts do, either. Insurance companies, however....

Wow, your entire job consist of CGI space, video games and speculation. Hey lady, with the physics degree don’t you know you can’t have an atmosphere directly adjacent to a vacuum without a container? Also, gravity isn’t a law and cannot be measured. Stop the lies. It’s getting embarrassing.

These people are going to ruin space lol…the fun police on patrol

Lol, who cares , the poor will be used , for the rich and big companies, that own governments

I find it astounding that with a degree in Physics (mother of all science) spend time talking about ethics and space. I sit here totally baffled. Is this the same Royal Institution of Michael Faraday?

@sentientflower7891

3 ай бұрын

Michael Faraday never had KZread though he really wanted it.

@ronanmcw

3 ай бұрын

Physics masters here - ethics and philosophy are frontier sciences just like my masters is, just like biology, chemistry, anthropology all are. To assume physics sits in supremacy is incredibly naive.

@awmperry

3 ай бұрын

You don’t think ethics is important in science? Space exploration is mired in ethical considerations.

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

few scientists are super-specialists. Go look her up, she does lots of stuff.

@alexw2394

3 ай бұрын

your pretentiousness is embarrassing

Physics works. The problem is physists. Gravity hasn't been proven. Space curvature hasn't been proven. Mass is at maximum momentum velocity in resistance as is. Heat and cold space don't mix together, but they work together as quantum magnetic fields. Magnets are repulsion at both poles. Heat is propulsion from cold repulsion into cold repulsion. Magnetic fields show repulsion at both poles and bonding of unification of unidirectional flow cycling thermaldynamics in magnetic fields. Electrical currents grounded or bonding force of flow of pressure. Force of pressure known as weight is earth's magnetic field, which controls electric quatum magnetic fields towards its internal magnetic field, which draws quantum magnetic fields as bonding thermaldynamics singularities cycling circulation patterns as unification of unidirectional flow towards the greater magnetic field. As mass moves outward from the earth's wider reaching weaker magnetic fields, weight of pressure decreases as weightlessness as quantum magnetic fields are outward force and distance from earth's magnetic field no longer directs their fields towards its nucleus of force. Heat is all mass and force. Stars decay their mass as heat loss of waves of decay of mass as renewable energy outside of entanglement of mass. As dark energy outside of entanglement of mass hits mass, it strikes resistance of mass as heat waves resonating waves of sparks of electrons lighting up the atmosphere as daylight. Like a lighter or hammer striking metal. Sparks of electrons lighting up surrounding atmospheres and burning gas as heat resonating waves of decay of mass. Lightning burns through atmospheres as sparks of electrons lighting the sky. Creating a void where mass is decayed into heat resonating waves and open space where mass occupied space itself. Cold space and heat singularities outside of entanglement of mass. Proximity mass of atmospheres gasses slamming shut on the void as thunder resonates heat waves as sound. Black holes are external magnetic fields, and the earth's magnetic field is an internal magnetic field that is the same as quantum magnetic fields. Magnets show perpetual motion as repulsion to propulsion from repulsion. The nucleus of black holes is cold space repulsion. You can see the poles as tornadoes spinning off excessive singularities, directional outward force of repulsion from the poles of pure cold resistance within. Outside of entanglement of mass is a hurricane of plasma circulation outside of entanglement of mass. Quatum magnetic fields can't maintain their magnetic fields because the force of perpetual motion is overwhelming by the directional pressure flow of heat around the repulsion spherical nucleus at its core surrounded by thermaldynamics singularities outside of entanglement of mass. Magnetic fields, internal or external, have a finite amount of accumulation of heat control. When equalization of equilibrium is reached by the greater magnetic field, it no longer disrupts proximity mass quantum magnetic fields. Thus, galaxies are formed as proximity mass circulation around these bubbles of pure fabric of cold space devoid of heat within the nucleus or core. Physics works. Heat is far and wide throughout space outside of entanglement of mass. Perpetual motion is constant cosmic speed limit in and out of entanglement of mass. Its speed limit is constant in and out of entanglement of mass. Magnetic fields redirect forward momentum propulsion into cycling circulation patterns as mass in reducing distances according to their mass cycling circulation patterns. Distance is equal to pressure within mass until resistance is overcome by open space itself. Perpetual motion passes through space and mass in chain reactions until resistance is overcome by open space itself, and heat is returned to dark heat energy renewable energy as waves of dark energy again. Physics works. Theoretically factual probability that works with quantum physics without gravity. Friction is sparks of electrons lighting up from striking resistance as renewable energy exchanging singularities in chain reactions until resistance is overcome by open space itself. Physics is observations of physical properties that work. Not theories of rips, tears, holes, or worm holes. All mass loses heat and absorbs heat in cold occupational space. Magnetic fields are repulsion to propulsion from repulsion, reducing distances according to their cycling circulation patterns of mass. Physics works as the physical properties of mechanics in quantum magnetic fields. Reaching the stars is as important as being made from renewable energy that is dark energy until it warming up our atmosphere and striking it like a filament lighting it up. Heat is the cosmic speed limit in resistance as perpetual motion transitioning throughout space and mass. Theoretically factual probability that works with quantum physics without gravity.

@RS-mb6nn

3 ай бұрын

Interesting. 🤔 Where did your hypothesis originate from?

@thekaxmax

3 ай бұрын

All those things have been demonstrated. Science never proves things, that's for mathematics. Science demonstrates theories, and gravity is the most well-attested theory that exists, behind evolution.

@Kargoneth

3 ай бұрын

A nonsensical textual deluge. Crapulent rubbish.

@skrillgorefuski

3 ай бұрын

@@thekaxmax Evolution is a lie and the complete lack of proof can be seen in the fossil record. You do know Darwin was a racist? Darwinian evolution is dead. Maybe you should look into origin of life studies instead of your theoretical nonsense atheistic lies

@dubiousName

3 ай бұрын

Bloopetybla

in space, the one with the bigger guns makes the rules.

That was quite an extensive display of acknowledging the necessity to use the benchmark of where society is at in the different cultures today to try to to navigate uncharted territory stakes. BIDEN 2025!!!

cute but naive ....