Great video Jose! Thanks for all your printing info, it’s been so helpful over the time I’ve been using this printer.I’ve had my P800 for a year and a half and glad I went with it! I have a tiny gallery in Australia and it’s perfect for my needs. I used to buy 6x4 photos from the big outlets at 10c/ 15c each and glue them on to card blanks but have now set my roll feeder and Lightroom to print a big run of cards in one go and cut them. I’m guessing it now costs me maybe 30c/ 50c each but the prints are so much better and I can do it at home whenever I need to! I live a long way from a city. I also print mostly with roll papers and canvas and plan my printing runs with the Matt black and then the photo black so i’m not wasting as much ink when I do the switch. I print images for sale in cello bags, framed images and stretched canvas. I shut down my p800 and unplug it out of the wall when done! Lots of electrical storms here, and I may not print for weeks at a time but it always fires up just fine. Nozzle checks are always perfect. I do keep a diary on dates I do the black ink switches and try to do it monthly but have gone over into two months without any problems. Overall I think the P800 is pretty robust!

I like watching your videos. They are VERY educational. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.

Wow! I'm watching this older video for the 1st time in late May, 2021, and my mind is blown. At this moment I don't even own a printer, but Jose is such a compelling Zen master of printing technique, I simply could not stop watching him expound his thesis on the comparative virtues between the Canon 1000 and Epson P-800. I have the greatest admiration for rare individuals like Jose, who have such deep devotion to the spiritual nature of their quest that their journey takes them into the realm of transcendence. This is the kind of guy I'd love to share a cup of coffee with.

Thanks for this video Jose!

Glad to hear positives about the Epson P800!

Thank you, Jose. A wonderfully thorough and clear presentation.

@cheo1949

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Hi, you make very informative videos. You have helped me decide to buy a Canon Pro 10 after watching your channel. I have one question though regarding the OEM cartridges, are they region locked? I can buy the OEM inks on Amazon for significantly less than I can buy them from where I live in New Zealand. Thank you

Great comparison video Jose. As you said two great printers for sure. I own the P800 myself and can say it has never let me down. Never had any significant clogging issues. If there is a week I don’t print I just run a nozzle check to keep the ink flowing. The only two things I would change about it would be independent channels for the matte black and photo black to eliminate wasted time and ink for switching. The other would be a vacuum assist paper feed as the printer sometimes head strikes certain letter size fine art papers that tend to curl during printing. I don’t see this issue with larger cut sheets though. The output on the P800 is sensational and the 80 ml carts last a long time.

Excellent review. I watched lots of your vids before I decided between the p800 and the pro 1000. I ended up going with the p800 because of the roll options and I saw that it can print on metallic sheets in one of your videos. It is my understanding that the pro 1000 cannot print on metallic sheets/thicker media, is that true? If so I a, surprised you didn't bring that up in this review. Anyway, I really appreciate the content you make. Thank you.

Obviously I own a P800, and am happy with the results I’m getting.

Great video Jose! Thank you!

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Awesome Jose, thank you so much...

@cheo1949

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Jose, great videos. Do you happen to know of a service that allows people like you to make prints for nearby people willing to pay for them? This would keep your printers running (which they seem to need that), and provide locals with prints they need instead of going to labs. I would be willing to pay normal rates if I can get my prints turned around quicker than labs. what do you think? I want to be able to get prints but I dont need to purchase a 1200 dollar printer to do one print a month.

Hi Jose - thanks for the video / channel - Ill keep watching. Ive bought / not out of the box yet, Pro1000. Any chance re top tips re setup: As in ..Turn off default cleaning,Turn off the `go to standby mode` / leave it turned on /print often - & accept the `60hour default clean` -it does it for good reason. Go on Jose - give the Pro1000 guys a bullet point list.Thanks again.

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

I wish I could. But this printer from what I habe recently heard from users is that it has a variable maintnenace system that it implements as needed. So is it AI? Not so sure but it apparently is not like clockworkmas with the lesser CANON models. I'll try to come up with something though.

Jose, if I understood your video, printing a Qimage unclog pattern every ~2 days will not reduce the number of cleaning cycles in the Pro-1000. Is that correct?

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

Correct. Printing ANYTHING will not disable or reset the timers. So just continue to print during those "Grace Periods" to proportionally put more ink on paper than ink on the maintenance cart.

@NikolaosTsarmpopoulos

2 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 if one is printing non-stop, why would the printer need to run a cleaning cycle? Does a cleaning cycle do something more than pushing ink through the nozzles?

I learnt from Canon at Photokina that they will release a firmware before end of year which will allow print length of 100 cms. Or approx 40 inch.

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

You mean the pro1000? I'd be careful if you are a refilled.

Nice video. I just got into printing my own images and went with the Canon.

@cheo1949

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome.

very well done video. very informative and helpful

@cheo1949

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Very educational. A lot to think about.

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

Hard choice as they are both excellent.

Jose, upon the information provided by your great videos I am purchasing the Epson SC P800 17”. Would you please tell me what roll of printer paper you recommend for thick museum-quality matte prints of my art. My intention is to sell 16” x 20” Giclee prints of my oil paintings. Also, is their a company you can recommend as my go-to for the actual purchase of my Epson as well as ink and paper? Thank you so much sir. Much appreciated.

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

Should you not be considering real canvas rather than paper? I recommend canvas media from Breathing Color

@lestoil

5 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 Thanks! Checking them out now.

Have a US P800. Moving to UK (I know 240v) Do I sell my printer here and purchase a UK spec one with choice to use 3rd party ink, or take this with me and use a transformer to reduce voltage?

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

I would say yes but if you even plan on using refillable carts you should get a UK Zoned one and will be able to use and reset the carts. Not so with the USA based ones.

Hi Jose. I am in the UK & I have seen someone selling a pro 1000 for very cheap on Facebook. Can precision colors 8 inks be mixed with the remaining 4 oems? Is it possible to print using just the 8 presicion inks? & do you think the other 4 colors will be available aftermarket anytime soon? The printer is so cheap I was going to get a pro 100 so I wouldn't need to use any oem but I'm thinking I might buy the pro 1000 & wait at this price

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

I don't what mean. PC Signature Edition is only sold including OEM yellow red blue and CO. 8 third-party color and 4 OEM. THE 4 OEM COLORS are not available as third party but only as OEM. Bur they do not ship to overseas addresses. Only Canada and the USA.

Is there any way to power the pro 1000 off for a period of time while keeping it clean? Let’s say. I know I won’t be printing for 2 weeks or more. Can I do a clean cycle, power it off & pull out the ink cartridges? To save ink

@cheo1949

3 жыл бұрын

Not at all. Pulling out the cartridges would have zero benefit. Neither would powering it off. Two weeks with no printing is nothing for the P800. Just leave it on. I leave all MT now 15 printers on 24/7 without any detrimental effect.

Thanks a lot for the detailed comparison. You mention that it's not a good idea to stack up multiple sheets of paper on the Epson due to possible skew causing paper jams, etc. How much does this apply to plain copy paper? I'm thinking of having Qimage to send a purge job once a day (or every two days) but this would only make sense if I can leave a stack of copy paper in the auto sheet loader and forget about it as one would want to do if you go on a vacation for a few weeks for instance. I was thinking of the roll feeder loaded with a cheap roll of paper, but the "cut or not?" UI prompt after every print job seems like it would destroy this kind of periodic automated purge printing?

@cheo1949

4 жыл бұрын

You can just load copy paper as many as you think you will need for a specific of time.

@tyurek

4 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 Thanks. I'm a hobbyist also guilty of wanting a 17" printer although my print volume is low. Actually downsizing from my iPF6100 which died after 9 years. Trying to decide between the PRO-1000 and the P800. My decision is now weighing towards the P800 if I can do the automated purge job every few days since it sounds like this may keep the head unclogged while avoiding the PRO-1000's maintenance ink penalty.

Thanks Jose!

Hi thanks for the Information. That do you think about the new epson sc p700 & p900?

@cheo1949

4 жыл бұрын

They sound awesome. I'm interested.

I just purchased the Pro 1000 to do my own prints. I’m going on a photoshoot assignment for two weeks In August. The printer will be sitting idle for two weeks. Will it be ok to start printing when I return?

@cheo1949

2 жыл бұрын

Sure. It will run a cleaning and individual nozzle test but it should be fine. Leave on. Make sure to disable the Auto Power off.

Thank you Jose. Excellent vid. My own 2 cents: I have a Pro-1000 & I love its print quality. This has been my only Canon after several Epsons. I considered the paper length limitation of the Pro-1000 but what really did it for me was the crazy switching of the two blacks in all the Epson models. A big waste of ink/money/time over time. It is probably psychological, but it sort of discouraged me to print on different media because of this. I hated the switching. With Canon's dedicated individual lines there is no issue. My last Epson was an R3000. The build quality was a bit flimsy for my liking. But the worst thing about it was its tendency to leave black ink blobs on the page ruining prints unpredictably. I contacted Epson & they were implacable, they didn't want to help at all. The machine was just out of warranty but it had been doing this while in warranty as I explained to them. I know they weren't going to believe me so I checked on forums etc on the web whether others had experienced this issue. From my recollection, the problem seem to be widespread & would begin around 2-3 years of ownership. I finally managed to get Epson to come to the plate after harassing them somewhat. Especially after I told them I believed it was a design fault in their ink-switching mechanism that they already KNEW about yet sold that printer model knowing that particular fault would show up, then leaving the customer in the lurch. Inbuilt obsolescence taken to an extreme. And unjust because these are not cheap printers & not due to user error. Canon on the other hand have been consistently courteous & pro-active in their help with any questions I've had even to the point of quickly replacing the machine when I first bought it after I described a print nozzle issue. After the Epson incident, I finally quit them for Canon & have not looked back. I know this area of criticism was not part of your evaluation of the two printers but I think that after-sale service & maintenance are essential parts of the equation & should be researched ahead of purchase for things like inherent weak points in design, manufacture & warranty.

@mabehall7667

5 жыл бұрын

A K The argument concerning waste due to switching for Matt vs PK is a non-starter. Unless you trigger the ink swap every day in the p-800, the Pro-1000 waste so much ink in cleaning cycles, the P-800 will come out far ahead in ink usage.

@ak2141

5 жыл бұрын

@@mabehall7667 I was simply referring to my own experience with Epson's up to the R3000.

@jliang70

5 жыл бұрын

@@mabehall7667 It is a very sound argument. I have two Epson printers Pro 4900 and P600 both of them require ink switch when printing on matte paper, Epson is asking the owners of their printers to waste a few mls of ink each time you do the ink switch, the argument from Epson on implementing a separate channel is lousy and Epson simply did not bother to improve this aspect of their photo printers. Yes it will require a major overhaul of their entire printer range but if Canon and HP can do that with their printers I don''t see why Epson could not.

@Ellectraart

4 жыл бұрын

I feel you on the R3000! Started having same blobs on the 3rd year of use. Produces good quality prints, true to color.And now after about 4-5 yrs of use broke down... And God forbids if I load more paper....it gets ugly...

Good point about feed issues - you really need a super smooth surface (on the paper) which means only ink jet or multi-purpose paper will feed properly - true for every printer, actually. And copier and laser.

have you done a video on epson p900 vs canon 1000/300? i cant find one on your channel! but maybe i didnt look hard enough. thank you for your videos!! very informative

@cheo1949

2 жыл бұрын

I can't. I do not own any of those printers and most importantly I am not a printer reviewer. My channel is about learning how to print quality photos. The color management process involved is the same regardless of what photo printer you own. Slightly different approaches due to slightly different output depending on the model and what colors they claim they produce more accurately. Canon and EPSON are not about to gift me printers for me to review favorably for them. So I would have to buy them with my own $$ so unless these new printers offer something dramatically earth shattering I have no need to spend the bucks just so I can do a review. There are plenty of printer reviewers on KZread. I am also PRO REFILLING and all the new printers are not conducive to that.

@leelajournals

2 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 yes i really want to get into refilling my cartridges! i have a ip8720. i use it for art prints and stickers for my little stationery shop and it printed beautifully until last week. all grays are pinks. i wasn’t using canon genuine inks. canon is sending me a new print head anyway because it’s under 1 year warranty. before i put in the replacement i’m going to buy genuine inks and modify them after they are used up and put in precision colors! i’m so excited about this learning process. eventually i want to get the 300 or 1000. but thanks for your responses! i’m a youtuber too. so i know how busy things can get. responding to everyone isn’t ideal. appreciate the attention!! ☺️

@leelajournals

2 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 btw, canon/epson should definitely gift you those printers :P i’m sure you help them get tons of business w ur videos!

Thanks... you just prevented me from wasting a lot of money. I thought to jump the gun and buy the Epson p800 while they offer a rebate but I currently have no need to print DAILY and would've probably damaged the print heads from sitting idle. I'll wait until I get more busy with customer demands.

@cheo1949

4 жыл бұрын

Yup! That is what the companies will not tell you! Oh....Yeah.....you better have to print....a LOT of images!

@steveking6204

4 жыл бұрын

Canon has now released a software update that allows up to 120 cm long prints.

Thanks for sharing your experience. Has P800 been replaced by the P900?

@cheo1949

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Sort of. The P900 is different though. The 800 still have the older 8 channel printhead that had to share the black channel. Not do with the p900. They now use 10 colors and also have a 10 channel printhead. No more black switch valve.

Hi Jose, very helpful video, as always ! What about B&W prints ? You don't speak about the advantage of the Canon over the Epson due to more grey cartridges.

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

Except there is no advantage of extra gray inks in the Canon printer. The Epson has two grays and the Canon also has to gray.

@jliang70

5 жыл бұрын

No, there is no advantage in B&W printing with Epson. The overall print quality of Canon is marginally ahead and it is only let down by lack of roll printing support.

Which printer has better software? Also, I have an Epson R3000 and I can't find someone to fix it when I'm having problems and I live in NYC. Does Canon have better repair service options? Thanks.

@cheo1949

4 жыл бұрын

You mean Driver? Both are excellent.

@davidhunternyc1

4 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 In terms of repair service Epson does not offer in-home repairs. I would have to mail my printer in to get fixed. This is awful and could further damage the printer.

Is there any printers that do a cleaning cycle by pumping the ink back into the cartridges, or the line, again?

@cheo1949

4 жыл бұрын

No. How would that clean anything. It would eventully pum air instead.

@JoeBob79569

4 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 I'm not sure that it would necessarily pump air if there were tanks underneath that were "filled" from the top and distributed from the bottom. Or if they were just maintenance boxes, with filters, that collected the ink separately, to be used again. I was pretty shocked when I read somewhere that some guy calculated that roughly 50% of his ink went to the maintenance box. But I can't see Epson or Canon being too eager to do this, since they want you to buy more ink. And I'm sure there's probably a whole host of other potential problems, like mixing ink from different manufacturers, ink going bad, dust, etc... But I'm sure they could do it if they really wanted to, judging by the tech and precision that goes into these printers nowadays.

The Epson also uses the center when it prints. Watch how it loads the paper before printing. It's sensors will direct the move of the paper after it unlocks the left hand paper guide.

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

Not like the Canon printers. I mean dead center. I know the right and left guides do a bit of repositioning of the paper before printing but the paper is being grabbed by the main transport roller and that is located on the far right side of the printer.

@TheMesomovie

5 жыл бұрын

And the paper is pulled to the center of roller. This is particularly noticeable when it comes out. It come out from the center of the machine.

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

I own about 8 epson photo printers an none of them feed down the center if you load say a letter size sheet and you align to the right side like you are supposed to. Show me a video of that.

@TheMesomovie

5 жыл бұрын

Everyone with either a P900, 3800, and 3880 will notice that the paper comes out in the center of the slot. Surely you don't want a video of that?

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

I have all three of the printers you mentioned and more. Mine don't! The paper comes out aligned to the right as I manually aligned it. If I load a 5x7 piece of paper in portrait orientation, it will not be magically slid over to the dead center of the feed system. I have no idea what it is you are referring to.

Wish you did this comparison with the P900 and the PRO 1000 - hopefully Canon is coming out with an updated version soon and you can do that comparison

@cheo1949

2 жыл бұрын

I don't own the P900. So that would be in the plans at this point.

can you buy refillable cartridges with the cannon

@cheo1949

4 жыл бұрын

No. Mods and refill you oem carts that come with it. Refillables suck.

Can I print regular documents on these printers?

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

Yes but why buy such a high end printer and then use for documents???

Great video!

@cheo1949

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Jose, Thanks. I was considering buying the Epson 800. I have changed to th Canon 1000 now since it does the auto clean, I do not need larger sizes and I want the 11 colors. I been watching alot of reviews and it has been confusing. I think you are a straight shooter and are not paid by a company to advertise your product. I trust your word of personal experience. I would like you to make a video on how you acquire your print pictures and how you sell your prints. I am an author and both a painter of abstract and realism. Audrey Weigel

@cheo1949

3 жыл бұрын

I don't sell anything at this time. I shoot most of my stuff and often also use images from various free online sources.

@audreyweigel4620

3 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 jose, I decided to go with the epson due to the greater print size capacity. Thanks.

Can the pro 1000 use eco solvent ink?

@cheo1949

Жыл бұрын

no.

Thank you for your channel. Simple question: Year 2020 knock on the door. All printers (Canon 1000, P800, P600, Pixma 10S) are 4 or 5 years old. Is it still worth it? Or do you have any information about new models? Wait or buy now? I have no idea what is the time period for new models. Thank you very much.

@cheo1949

4 жыл бұрын

Nothing I'm aware of.

Im thinking of upgrading to the Pro-1000 from my Pro-1. Your thought? Thanks.

@cheo1949

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@DaveMovold

2 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 Well that was easy :)

How many letter size full coverage prints can they do before they have to be replaced? Thanks

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

That question has no answer. Actually it does. I have no idea. Why? Because ink colors are used at VASTLY different rates depending on image color predominance and average density. I'll tell you this much. You will use a TOTAL of about 1.5 ml to 2 ml of ink per full letter size print.

@liythalhamzah8289

5 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 Thanks for the answer, really good to know how much ink they use. But what I meant is how many prints till the whole printer needs replacement, or until the print head fails?

@liythalhamzah8289

5 жыл бұрын

Also, the epson has a max media thickness of 1.3mm while the canon has 0.7mm. The difference is significant. Did anyone try max on the epson to see if it really can do it?

@liythalhamzah8289

5 жыл бұрын

Someone told me he printed about 18 000 - 20 000 pages - most of them full A4 pages - with an epson R265. I wanna compare it to these two printers. Thanks

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

That can vary. A pro printer like the P800 has a duty cycle of 15000 letter size prints. I am sure I will surpass that as I did on my still working PRO3800.

I imagine that I can create a print that will move the ink off the nozzle for each color. Then by printing that image daily, I may bypass the cleaning cycle. Am I just dreaming?

@cheo1949

3 жыл бұрын

Yes you are dreaming. Only a RIP can print from pure colors. However if you print said purge image and you set your driver to NO COLOR MANAGEMENT or Color Matching set to NONE it will not composite inks as much when it attempt to print a RGB CMY K purge image.

I think I heard you correctly. Only print borderless? I like to leave room around my prints…I think you suggested harmful to printer?

@cheo1949

2 жыл бұрын

Borderless??? Never said that.

@KeithEmmerichDOTcom

2 жыл бұрын

Around 20:13 you said printing borderless is bad for the printer. What or why is it bad for the printer?

@Technobby

2 жыл бұрын

@@KeithEmmerichDOTcom head strike with paper edge often happen with borderless printing.

Podrias hacer un acomparación de las dos impresoras Canon pro1000 y Epson Pro800 en español Gracias.

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

Seria mui dificil para mi.

I would actually put Epson SC-P5000 into consideration for 17 inch printer, the only reason SC-P5000 should not be considered is if desk space is an issue. SC-P5000 is pretty much the same dimension as Stylus Pro 4900 which I own and it is a monster of a 17 inch printer compare to SC-P800 or Canon PRO-1000. But if you are sticking with original ink then it is far better value than SC-P800. I am taking the price info from B&H. On B&H site SC-P800 has a price tag of $895 after rebate adding $199 for the roll adaptor to the price the cost become $1194, the SC-P5000 has a after rebate price of $1395 which is $200 more than fully optioned SC-P800, SC-P5000 has 11x 200 ml cartridges to 9x 80ml cartridge for SC-P800, If we calculate base on the price of original ink cartridge for SC-P800 you get close to $500+ of extra ink

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

I would have if I had one but I do not the p5000 also has absolutely no support for third-party inks in case some of you are interested in switching over to that type of system. I felt that I should only report or recommend printers that I have had complete hands-on experience with.

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

I also wanted to keep it within the realm of a desktop type printer by that I mean something that can fit comfortably on a normal desk on wheels or the corner of your work table the 5000 is great it is fantastic I realize that like I said I don't have one so I can't speak of it but it's a little bit too large and in a different class

@jliang70

5 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 Yes, it is more like production type printer that requires the heavy use and also requires much larger desk space. In term of value, it is pretty good considering the larger ink tank and better roll handling feature like the paper cutter. USA seems to get the better deal with printers like this, in Australia P5070 ( Aus model) is $800 more than P800 that make it far less appealing here even when the local dealer often throw in two rollls of 17 inch Canson paper.

Great video Jose. 2 comments. 1. The pro 1000 does not have a built in colormeter, it has a built in density meter. I think you accidentally said this wrong because we’ve talked about it before. 2. This density meter does not mean I can use a custom profile from your machine and obtain perfect results. If that were so, assuming I did the density meter paper calibration, which I have, the profiles from Canon would be perfect-they are far from it. Why or how some paper manufacturers supplied profiles are great, good, or so so, I have yet to figure out. Maybe it is just manufacturing tolerance luck. I have used an Illford supplied profile that was perfect, a Canson that is extremely good, while the Canon profiles are so so.

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

You are correct it is a densitometer. There is a lot to this machine that is still a mystery to me.

The Pro 1000 is also better because you can sit lots of goodies on top of it 😂

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

Finally!!!!! somebody.... gets it!

single sheet feeding is a huge turn off

Hi Jose, I sent you an email again.

@cheo1949

5 жыл бұрын

I didn't get it. Please resend to tooljoe1949@yahoo.com.

@rick535xi

5 жыл бұрын

@@cheo1949 , Maybe it's going into your spam or junk mail. I sent twice. Sending it now. Same email I used.

@bikemikerent124

4 жыл бұрын

I sent you an email too. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks

Call you ink man