Elderly MAGA guy: "Trump! Trump! Trump!" Wife: "You DO realize, he wants to cut our Social Security and Medicare?" Silence.

@williamreynolds7194

15 күн бұрын

THAT is coming, regardless of the election outcome. Ponzi schemes are unsustainable. It will be every girl for herself.

@berndgeels

10 күн бұрын

Many of these MAGA faithful have absolutely no clue what another Trump term would truly mean. His most rabid supporters have taken complete leave of their senses.

@williamreynolds7194

9 күн бұрын

TRUMP is powerless in the face of the financial armageddon that Congress has crafted for us. Young people are facing a rough future. I pity them.

@joshntn37111

5 күн бұрын

Wife: Shut up simp! Husband: Yes ma'am 😢 😅😅😅

No faker a man than trump.

Trump’s effeminate hand gestures reveal something creepily camp

@AndrewUnruh

16 күн бұрын

Same! To me, there is something very drag-queeny about him. One of the least masculine people I can think of.

Let's say you're at a party, and need to be walked to your car because some guy is being overly aggressive. Who do you pick, Biden or Trump? In my opinion, Biden all day long. Trump is one of those guys who would cower behind a tree or run away if anything really went down. Biden would stand up.

@ldonnay

15 күн бұрын

So, I guess it's The Rock for 2028.

@carolmckee8456

12 күн бұрын

You kidding? Trump would be the guy who assaults you.

MAGA guy: "I'm a REAL man!" Wife: "Well, . . ."

You mentioned any conversation comes back to immigration... I would argue it's trans people I'm in the Army, I'm a lefty. When politics comes up, it never goes more than 3 sentences before trans comes up. The record is the first reply. I say something about the environment. Other guy says "libs think men can be women" k...that has nothing to do with what's going on or what we were talking about... Followed by 15 minutes of anti trans rant

@T-aka-T

16 күн бұрын

Yes, because it's forbidden to disagree (LGBTQI+ is an ever-expanding job lot, a conflation that has to be accepted as a whole by the left. There are three worrying things about it for people who are happy to accept the rest. (1) Genuine issues in sport for women, who only so recently fought for their place. (2) Denial of biological science. And (3) the consent issue for child puberty blockers and the pending law suits. So with social, scientific and legal issues worth discussing, each with a legitimate concern, it is worrying that to save people's feelings, these objections are taboo. The right just blurps out poorly articulated "anti" sludge, but they do it I think because they sense a "wrong reality" there.

@thetapeloops9522

15 күн бұрын

Yup, they're idiots

@IhaveNoPatienceForIdiotsAndLia

13 күн бұрын

What about issues like how Trump called for the termination of the constitution? Do they know about that? How did they defend that?

One of the really big issues is that communication styles have split to the point that many conservative men literally cannot understand what most liberals think of that hypothetical article from Oberlin or Vassar or Brown, because we use our own careful language to critique the critique, or we choose not to even talk about it.

@andyjones1982

15 күн бұрын

wut? lul

It is gender affirming care for straight men.

@ralphperry3576

11 сағат бұрын

Don’t fool yourself half those men are gay.

As an independent voter, I don't support Trump for POTUS in the slightest (I mean, I did donate $5 to his campaign once, just to get off his list of potential undesirables - so I get his campaign emails - know your opposition for a low-low price), but I remember after the 2016 election, I ran across an article titled "Hillary Clinton's Lonesome White Male Supporters" that truly resonated ... After that election, several good friendships I had going back 30 years were permanently damaged. Coming from Eastern Europe, I saw right through a lot of the Russian sourced pro-Trump propaganda that either led to cynicism, or outright h8. It continues to this day. It often leverages the Junior High crocodile brain fears that most men of my Generation X have been programmed to pay attention to (you don't want to be THAT guy, riiiiight?). I never unfriended any of these friends on social media - but I did mute a few of them for a 'minute'. What I've concluded in the years since - the Progressive media really lacks good male role models and male oriented content. Inclusivity, body positivity, equity, and diversity was taken to a level that became nauseating to many former former centrist males - NPR is a great example. While I find occasional human interest stories about the struggles of some intersex author or playwright enlightening - I also want to hear about the struggles of a farm family on the Eastern Plains of Colorado, or the real challenges of finding work for men over the age of 50 (regardless of race), the topics of divorce and how it impacts men, or the impacts of Bitcoin on society, the economy and wealth from a left leaning perspective. There has been a concerted focus on pushing down the struggles men face today (particularly young men) - usually thrown into a pile of "white male privilege - the chickens are coming home to roost". Individually, most "straight white men" have never been in a position to take advantage of said privilege (like when you turned 18, did your drunk father come into your bedroom and urinate on your bed while you slept to indicate it was time for you to move out?) And while I recognize women, people of other races, ethnicities and sexual orientations have had it harder, that doesn't fully eliminate the human condition, or socio-economic forces that affect all of us.

@filrabat1965

8 күн бұрын

Junior High crocodile brain fears of Gen-X. A+! Progressives need to directly debunk the cultural idea that weak kind-hearted men is more contemptible than a strong bully. Frame the discussion as bullying/contempt for the weak being another form of bigotry, specifically a form of ableism. Same techniques used to stigmatize racism, sexism, LGBT-phobia. Also show how croc-brain goes against even the "most manly 1%'s" own best interest. It wrecks organizations and governments. Yet societies gain when they help the weak, etc's talents and productivity if they get the help they need. J.Wes Ulm's "What Darwin Did Not Mean" and Harald Ofstad's "Our Contempt For Weakness" are A+ reads.

24:48!!! Holy crap! This is the first lefty that I have heard that has at least some inside knowledge on what Trump supporters are actually doing and what that want. Bravo!! Trump 2024!!!

What masculinity?🤢

@filrabat1965

8 күн бұрын

In this context, "masculinity", especially "be a man" is just a propaganda term used to promote the loud, aggressive male's views as 'so obviously correct that it speaks for itself'. It's also used as shaming language, used to enforce the idea that the convenience of the strong, smart, brave, sexually successful is more important that even the basics of human dignity for men without those traits. In effect, it's Macho Supremacism.

Trump has always been into wrestling.

@andreah6379

11 күн бұрын

Like all cavemen do. Nothing to talk about, just duke your insecurities out with another insecure "gotta prove something" guy.

@direwolf6234

3 күн бұрын

as a media event to be used ...

Every time one hears Trump speak, the mind wanders back to the Springfield Monorail promoter on the Simpsons, and Homer's raptured admiration.

Apparently all the speech therapy in the world can't teach Southerners to pronounce the letter e.

@mlhinrich1278

14 күн бұрын

😂 my mother-in-law from south Omaha (not the typical 'south', but still...) pronounced lemon as "limon." I'm sure there were other words I had to re-translate, but that's the one that sticks in my head.

@StopWhining491

14 күн бұрын

Or New Englanders the letter r

@filrabat1965

8 күн бұрын

Southerners and 'e'. New Englanders and 'r'. Who cares how they pronounce it if you understand their speech AND their ideas make a lot of sense!

🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:00 *😂 Trump attends UFC event in New Jersey to masculine cheering crowd, contrasting with Biden's perceived lack of manliness.* 01:17 *🥊 Trump's appearance at hyper-masculine UFC event appeals to men through projection of tough guy persona.* 02:54 *🎭 Trump's masculine persona is performative, appealing to insecurities of men who feel they don't measure up to ideals of dominance and aggression.* 04:32 *👺 Professional wrestling and UFC tap into campy, aggressive masculinity that Trump capitalizes on.* 06:09 *💪 Trump's rhetoric evolved from joking about protester violence to endorsing force to "take back the country."* 08:24 *🐑 The belief that the left doesn't like masculinity fuels Trump's appeal among men struggling with purpose.* 10:14 *💰 Trump's pre-political celebrity persona as wealthy patriarch is aspirational for many men.* 13:27 *🐺 Trump contradicts the right-wing cultural ideal of protecting the weak from bullies.* 16:12 *👑 Southern cultural heritage of domination over others aligns with Trump's persona.* 19:44 *⬅️➡️ Gender gap widening as women become more liberal while men's ideology remains constant.* 24:17 *👩‍💼 Democrats have intentionally leaned into women's issues as women are a larger proportion of their constituency.* 24:59 *🧠 Republicans conflate Democrats with the broader left's stances that alienate men, like the APA's criticism of "traditional masculinity."* 25:53 *💆‍♀️ People often generalize a random person's controversial views to represent an entire political ideology.* 26:34 *🤯 Constant exposure to annoying people on the internet is an underrated driver of polarization.* 27:28 *🕴️ Trump's pre-political celebrity persona gives him masculinity credibility that other Republicans trying to emulate lack.* 28:26 *🪞 Trump may have both changed and revealed the country's underlying fault lines that won't disappear when he exits the scene.* 29:37 *🔭 After Trump, debates may move beyond just pro/anti-Trump discourse to address deeper societal divides more directly.* 30:47 *🏀 The drama around hyped rookie Caitlin Clark in the WNBA has generated unprecedented attention and discussion.* Made with HARPA AI

@filrabat1965

8 күн бұрын

Great summary. As progressives, we now need to debunk the toxic ideas. These are what propels the MAGA "logic".

Sheepdogs rise.

@filrabat1965

8 күн бұрын

Sheepdogs are an endangered species these days. They got sucked into Social Darwinist / dog-eat-dog ways of sizing up a man's worth along with the wolves. We need a debunking of masculinist propaganda that says, in effect, it's less contemptible to be a dishonest, narcissistic bully than it is to be an honest, kind-hearted victim - and destigmatize the term "victim" besides. Shaming sheep too psychically injured to defend themselves doesn't turn them into sheepdogs - it turns them into more seriously injured sheep. Seriously, who benefits from shaming those ? What benefit does society get from it?

I am glad that Trump's Republican imitators lack his following. It augers well for the demise of MAGA.

I find the title of this panel fantastically biased not to mention deeply disagreeable EDIT: I am happy to see that you changed it

11:23 who is reading Obamas unpublished manuscripts from law school?

@JeremyHelm

18 күн бұрын

13:29 Oberlin feminist failed to surpass American psychological association?

@JeremyHelm

18 күн бұрын

19:50 gender gap in ideology

Good masculinity: nerds at NASA, NOAA, USGS, tech companies. Bad masculinity: cops, troops, spooks.

@montee3766

19 күн бұрын

Are you really calling people who protect you bad masculine?

@AlZ-oy4si

19 күн бұрын

@@montee3766 "protecting" yeah. Who are they protecting. I've always felt more threatened by them than protected.

@ThatonedudeCR12956

19 күн бұрын

@@AlZ-oy4si if you feel threatened by military in the United States then you're doing something wrong. Cops, sure. Spooks? Seriously? When did you last speak to CIA? They intimidated you? You know CIA cannot operate in the United States right? If they were intelligence in the US they were FBI and you brought that on yourself

@ThatonedudeCR12956

19 күн бұрын

I have worked with NOAA and know people with or previously with NASA. You have an odd definition of masculinity

@erc9468

19 күн бұрын

@@AlZ-oy4si Then you are literally delusional, meaning that you don’t have any grasp on reality. If you think that on the whole you are more threatened by a cop than those who the cop protects you from, they your brain has likely been poisoned by leftists.

It is a good cop/bad cop thing. The GOP tells men they can be as manly as they want, no questions asked. The Democrats do not. Who would YOU support, if you want to be an unrepentant guy?

what about some actual military war heroes as an example of masculinity ?? many politicians on both sides have served and fought ..

You mention that pro wresting appeals to children by "looking tough" and Trump appeals to his constituent on the same basis. Are there other attributes of pro wresting that appeal to children? Do these other attributes also make Trump attractive to his constituents? e.g., entertaining theatrics? belligerent drama? Could Democrats field a candidate with any of these attributes but with Democratic policies?

@filrabat1965

8 күн бұрын

In a word: the ass-kicking itself is what appeals to the children's basebrain. To them, NOTHING is more important than an ability to kick ass. I'm sorry to say, but even the adult world hasn't really outgrown it, but simply learned to cover it up with more PR friendly language and tones.

This guy being agog that the Chris Kyle movie didn't actually work in turning a "generation of men" into anti-bullying "sheepdogs" is like a liberal being amazed that the Captain America movie didn't turn geeky kids into a generation of patriotic super soldiers.

@filrabat1965

8 күн бұрын

That's because conservatives have too much faith in the goodness of strong men - and the goodness of mainstream cultural values in general. The elephant in the room of all this is contempt for the weak. I don't care how well the sheepdogs may protect them. It's contempt for the weak and "unmanly" that propel the ugly aspects of our culture. Until we directly challenge and debunk that basebrain contempt, even the best motivations for sheepdogs to step up will achieve only limited results.

"Why are men turning conservative?" Let's ask two gay men and a feminist.

@IhaveNoPatienceForIdiotsAndLia

13 күн бұрын

How do you know they are gay?

@Love_Daisys

13 күн бұрын

some gay men are highly misogynistic too and so are liberal feminists

@stephenboyington630

9 күн бұрын

Huh? That is such a tell. Take two seconds to Google David French, please.

Trump is a straight talker, and he is not a herd animal, which is to say he takes unexpected positions on things, and in turn that suggests that he thinks for himself. As an educated Brit, I was really totally appalled by him at first; I can't express how awful it was; but over time I realized that I was being an classist snob, and finally concluded that he understands the political world better than I do. The hornets nest that he stirred up against him; all this crazy unreasonable hate and in particular all the fake prosecutions; things that any objective person can see are "trumped up" charges. Even the fact that he gets on with "dictators" is a plus in my view; it shows the right kind of unemotional objectivity; he can talk to anyone; again a sign of objectivity. And yet, with all that power, he is not too snobby to enjoy a McDonalds and wrestling.

@filrabat1965

8 күн бұрын

I call you misguided, if you really believe that. Who cares how non-snobby he is, how well he understands the political world, objective, thinks for himself if all the thoughts that come out of his head are either bigoted or meandering drunk-at-the-pub bullshit

Fighting sports are not about "dominating" your opponent, what loaded words these people use to paint a picture that masculinity is oppression. Ludicrous and frankly sexist.

@filrabat1965

8 күн бұрын

Some aspects of current masculinity are oppressive - especially those expressing contempt for the weak, and most of all those weak men who don't deliberately set out to hurt, harm, or demean others.

@MarkMcAllister-ni9sf

8 күн бұрын

@@filrabat1965 Thank you for your reply. I am not sure what you mean by "current" masculinity. Are you implying that modern (Western) Men are more oppressive than in the past, or that masculinity can be changed? Also, you seem to be conflating oppression and masculinity, which as I said above, seems very sexist. Woman cannot oppress? Demonizing masculinity is certainly a form of oppression.

@MarkMcAllister-ni9sf

8 күн бұрын

@@filrabat1965 "expressing contempt for the weak", sounds a lot like bullying, something many men have done, but I would argue women do more (not physically, but mentally with character assassination, undermining friendships, gossip and rumors, etc), in a setting such as high school or even the corporate office. Again, thank you for the reply, I enjoy any debate or discussion, if I am wrong, I want to know.

Out of curiosity, I looked up photos of this entire panel. Lol at unironically using the the term "performative masculinity" to describe the everyday man. Jokers.

@erc9468

19 күн бұрын

I thought the same thing. Apparently it is now acceptable on the Left to mock the masculinity of Josh Hawley. Meanwhile the POTUS embraces transgenderism.