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The Dyno Destroyer. Mirror Image Turbo 632 2200 HP BBC. Tom Nelson. Nelson Racing Engines.
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This beast broke the NRE $ 60,000.00 dyno! Not a good thing, but what a beast! NRE's Tom Nelson explains this new engine and runs several dyno pulls. Amazing! More information can be found at the NRE's web sites, nelsonracingeng... and nelsonsupercars.... Also go to VeritasMovieStu.... NRE TV episode 166.
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The quality of workmanship and attentin to detail are what makes Nelson Racing Engines one of the industry standards that others are compared against. It doesn't matter what brand or type of motor you prefer, it's hard to argue results that are proven from this shop and the men behind all the craziness. If I had the money I'd love to install one of their motors in all of my rides! Thanks for posting this.
Nelson is the best mechanic turbocharged cars in the world. Here in Brazil I'm your number one fan. When you are better off financially, I will surely visit your garage. All the best master Nelson
i love how you guys still have the passion and feel the rush from these motors. keep up the great work
I love those turbos being setup that way rather than the housings in the same spot on each side.Badass.
Incredible video! The simplicity and cleanliness of that motor blows me away!
i always love looking for what's gonna be flying around in the background in these videos
The moment when this engine so strong it fucks up the video
Dear Mr. Nelson, Let me know if you ever need someone to clean tools or just help out around the shop. I would clean the toilets in your shop for a chance to reap some knowledge from ya! Keep up the great work. Sincerely, Justin
It's a work of f'n art. There is nothing like power when demonstrating beauty.
Awesome high bhp engine, those counter clockwise turbos make for a real clean installation. That is a beast!
Transmission shops must love NRE. It is my hope someday we all will have 2000 horse power.
Also, don't confuse weight and displacement. The 7.0 liter v8's in the C6 Z06's weigh hundreds of pounds less than the "smaller" twin turbo v6's in the Nissan GT-R's. Just because an engine can can use more air/fuel in one cycle, doesn't mean it's actually bigger or weighs more than a smaller displacement engine.
Nice piece of work guys, I like the attention to detail.
people should understand the meaning of the word RESPECT before commenting...btw awesome engine,hope one day i buy one
A.W.E.S.O.M.E!!! V-bands are a great idea- Was thinking of modding the TO4Z on the 355 because I was concerned with intake blowing off under boost. :)
pure art.. engine even look like a classic chevy belair from front :) i love it.. respect from denmark
i love how you gotta slowly rev the motor down after the pulls. intense.
Not sure if you noticed but this isn't in a car! Sick engine, 1600 hp on pump gas is sick. Love the turbo's.
Even KZread couldn't handle the power this motor makes!
2200 HP on this big block is pretty underrated. This thing should crack 3000 HP no problem. The thing is, Tom doesn't have the dyno to measure so much power and torque.
Hey, I've got over 1600 Lbs/ft of torque and I drive it every day..............on pump diesel....It's my Freightliner Classic...with a Cummins Redtop......Bet that 632 can't pull 90k everyday and last for a million plus miles.....Just playin', awesome engine.
It's more of a nostalgic type thing. Plus they are better for the street. And the whine sounds amazing to :)
Sir Nelson sorry about your dyno besides I really love the mirrow turbos look incredible plus the alien intake build in 16 injectors I believe they dont work at the same time all the time they may work maybe at 11 pounds of boost thats my best guess,love and respect your work keep building horse power sir.b
@Tupples1 yes i got a turbo diesel and a 99 ls1 with an sts turbo and i do know that it has to have oil to lubricate and an inter-cooler to cool the air down and the inter-cooler can be cooled by air or water. never heard of a turbo having water to cool it down like you stated.
Thank you for having me to watch the movie
wow wow wow you guys engineer this stuff like aircraft wow . its hard core
You can street these motors. Thats what makes his creations so incredible....Look at the vids of the upgrades to the ZR1 Block
It's true that a lot of the hp potential is lost thru the huge displacement of that engine due to long stroke (more friction) and parasitic loss thru the heavy rotating assembly. The 1.8L may make 1000 hp but the torque is usually in the 600 range. Torque is what moves the car. Not to take anything away from the 4 cylinders that make 1000 hp but they are running almost double the amount of boost that this 632 BBC is running and yet it still is cranking out around 1500 hp/tq on pump gas!
Pretty damn awesome. Pulling down some major power with relatively low boost.
According to Morris, a heavily modified Superflow/DTS of some kind, probably a Powermark as well. I believe the Superflow/DTS has a 2500 lbs.ft. option.
That rounding error to 1600hp is pretty much the flywheel power of my car.
Tom Nelson builds engines you can drive on the street. They have relatively mild cams and the engines produce enough torque when not under boost to really make them drive-able under normal conditions. Could he build them to produce 6hp-per-ci? No doubt in my mind. Would it be fun to drive? Not a chance. It would lug like crazy in traffic, idle so rough your teeth would fall out and burn so much fuel you'd need to have a support team of fuel trucks to follow you across town.
i think it looks great with a left an right hand turbo...never liked the look of twin turbo v8s before because of the ill matching intercooler piping...but this is awsome, well done
@Smokin07ram Pump gas plays hell on tuning things just right, ive noticed Nelson keeps a very tight control on A/F ratios on his dyno results every video - staying well within .01 of 11:1 more or less depending on the size and NA or not. its not to build a grenade that eats valvetrains for breakfast, let alone do it on pump gas reliably. One thing i give Steve credit for is he has designed his own cam lobe system to get those 3,000HP numbers. That, is impressive. Dude knows what he is doing.
Steve Morris just blew up his dyno with twin Prochargers on a 572 Chrysler!
Glad to hear the dyno got repaired... now please repair the vid so we can drool over that engine some more.
Other than the fact that it looks amazing, I would probably guess that identical tubing would allow for the same restriction on the turbos which could see potential gains? I'm really not sure, that's just my guess.
We both run 3.73's, I run a 5-spd, he a T-350 w/3000rpm converter and both on 10" slicks. I run 10.7-10.9 or there-about @130mph or so, he's a couple tenths behind. I'll need to dig slips out for 60ft times (been a few months now). His truck hooks pretty hard, runs a 3-link with panhard bar and coil-overs, tube snout with coil-overs. It's not lifting the front tires, but it's not burning the rears off either.
Copy and paste from the SIte With one turbo rotating counterclockwise, NRE's trick set up allows for everything under the hood to be symmetrical. No more turbos dumping out all to one side, or ridiculous uneven header setups that look like an afterthought. This beautiful system looks as though it was engineered by NASA, with the performance to back it up.
I agree with this to a point. I've seen the other side of the coin, where some"tuner" has $20k under the hood of his Honda and then bashes the guy running his 100% factory Mustang at the drags for fun. Tuner's will bash a V8 to no end until it has 30lbs of boost, and then they complain it's not "fair". But it's ok when they have 30lbs of boost against a N/A V8. It's seriously a double standard. Technology rules to tuners, until the V8 guys use it themselves. Then it's not fair.
But also remember that this was done on a budget, and V8's are more complex than an inline six. Yeah, there's probably more potential in a 632ci, but if it was making 4019 hp (6.36 pci), what kind of parts would withstand that kind of power?
@Smokin07ram Haha, that run of the mill leaf sprung POS the owner is putting it in? :D IMHO the owner has a death wish. My favorite motor that Steve has ever done was that Alcohol BBC for Al Fink, that thing is a monster equivalent to this Nelson motor. Congrats on your build - one day i hope to have a few V8's built to put smiles to the gallon =] take care, peace!
Having one of these engines in my chevelle would be equivalent of winning the lottery
steve morris custom designed the dyno he uses to handle and tune his 3,000HP monsters - time for Nelson to step up and do the same!
I hope Tom has gotten a meaner dyno. Not comparing in a bad way but I just saw a Ford engine at Steve Morris Engines making over 3000 hp and like 2000+ ft pounds of torque. ( I have no idea what kind of dyno Steve is using) HUGE fan of Nelsons....
exactly, as i said i own a rb powered car and it is to me one of the best sounding engines ever
Horsepower doesn't really matter. The torque of this engine is what makes the difference, and it's a BIG difference. Rod Saboury's 1963 Corvette (street car) went 6.9's @ 210 mph on one of it's first passes with a turbocharged small block v8 producing 2,100 hp and less torque than you see in this video, on STREET TIRES. His car has been 6.7's with the same engine. This 632 BBC, and many other NRE engines, in a street legal muscle car, will blow the doors off of any japanese race car.
They build tons of high horse engines. That dyno has seen multiple engines pushing over a 1000 horses.
@firebirdt72002 That is something I would like to see more of in this video, transmissions. See what they use. I don't know what can handle that power, what mods they do, etc.
"Frickin meatballs" ..just about sums this up pretty good
The Mustang AWD-1750 can take 3500 WHP. Maybe you can tell us what this thing will really do. What does the base engine make?
Hey Tommy Can you tell me why other Engine builders are reluctant to Turbo charge 632 because of Piston ^ Pin Ring location ?
Yeah, fuel economy is not great with them. Emissions are getting harder to meet with them too. It would be cool to see what someone could do with a 5L rotary. Personally, I think the 2-stroke has a lot more potential than the rotary, or anything else right now.
@Pokemonmaster212 It really depends on the car it is in. Their 427 LSX making 1750hp got 20mpg highway in the Mosler MT900S. But that car has low drag and very low weight (2500lbs). In any of the muscle cars NRE builds that number will drop closer to 10mpg or under. They are not aerodynamic and often weigh over 4000lbs. Less if they use a Big Block.
.....depends on more than just the engine. vehicle, weight, gear ratios, etc.
Wow that is a BEAST!!! Very Very impressive Nelson Racing, whats the sticker on that motor?
I am a big pushrod V8 fan, but your comment was wrong about rotaries. It is a common misconception that rotaries have low torque. In reality, a rotary produces MORE torque per displacement than and V8, pushrod, DOHC, etc. Not only that, they can rev really high, thus producing lots of horsepower. A good rotary will put out at least 50% more power/Liter than a DOHC, and weigh a lot less than a pushrod V8. They are just hard to seal for emissions and there are no large displacement rotaries.
I would love to see NRE twin turbo that 1005cid V8 that Sonny's Racing Engines builds! 3500hp should be easy.
Yea It looks cool and all but What do custom made reverse impeller blades cost? Inconel? about as much as the rest of the turbo setup? Clean setup though
you create art man
If you read HotRod Magazine, you'd know it has made 2200+ @ 32 psi. He did not run it at full boost. I'm european, but love all sorts of cars. NRE seems to produce the numbers they claim with dressed engines.
Different engine have different capacity, how to compare the performance in between ? by using engine capacity to HP ratio or torque ratio to elvalueate, it is the best way to find out which one flow better. If someone has an engine with 800ci and produce 2201 HP than this 2200HP V8, Could you say that one is better ?
wtf that engine! it brokes the video..
You sir, deserve my like.
more than 90% of us on here would ever THINK of spending on an engine.
Dear god that thing is amazing.
How come you do not make any high compression motors all forced induction?
It does not change the fact that most engine builders do not need a 700k dyno. Besides, the Superflow/DTS Black Widow is rated for 2500 ft.lbs. 3000 hp and 11000 rpms. Mind you, those are very conservative numbers. The Powermark used here, is rated for 1200 ft.lbs. and can deal with more, but yes, he should consider upgrading it. These dynos are slso very precise. I just checked some of the specs on the ones you mantioned, and they seem to bo every bit as acurate. These dynos does the job well.
what you are looking at is mostly polished aluminum or "Billet" as he keeps saying.
Love it, crazy power on pump gas. I wish I could afford one of these.....
Nelson Racing Engines themselves say the 2jz is unreliable at over 1,000 hp. Not only that, but the 2Jz's ability to handle hundreds and hundreds of extra horsepower is down to it being an inline engine with good balance....inline engines are more dynamically stable than v-engines. The turbocharged inline six layout won't produce nearly as much torque anywhere in the rpm's as a turbocharged v8 though, no matter what the displacement is. V-8's also weigh alot less than 2jz's, just as a side note.
Tom mentions that he feels the dyno he uses is the best in the world but it breaks testing a 2200hp motor. What sort of dyno is used for 7000+ hp top fuel motors? Time to upgrade Tom. See you at SEMA in November.
I really don't know much about engines either but chrome has a very high melting point somewhere around 1,900 °C but metals such as aluminium would melt a 600 thats my guess
This motor doesn't happen to have Billet Mirror Image 88mm turbochargers does it?
You are missing a lot of it. First, the larger the displacement, the worse the specific power output. Second, this is a pushrod motor. Pushrods rev slower and thus make less power/liter compared to a DOHC, BUT because they are simpler designs, they still usually have a better power/weight ratio than DOHC. Fourth, this engine broke the dyno at 2200hp. It would easily get over 2500hp if not 3000hp.
Why is the mirror image turbos such a big deal? I dont understand how it makes that big of a difference please explain :)
@YSBCITTAR The biggest engine I have seen from NRE is a 632cid. Sonny uses plenty of 700, 800 and now that 1000 inch blocks. For 99% of applications it wouldn't be good, but for that one, it would kick ass. 2000+hp on 91 octane anyone and still idle like a stock V8?!
If he held back on the throttle then how does he know it makes 2200? Not knocking it, I love his engines, just wondering. Looks like its time to get a bigger dyno.
What kind of driveline can handle this thing without breaking?
1700 ft-lbs/632ci = 2.689 ft/lbs per cubic inch. For same ratio to a 3.0L like 2JZ, it is equal to 183ci X 2.689 = 492 ft/lbs = 68 kg/m For same ratio to a 2.0L like SR20, it is equal to 122ci X 2.689 = 328 ft/lbs = 45.4 kg/m Still....there are thousands of tuned japanese cars making such torque ratio
Ya know what's funny? They say the same thing about imports I'm sure. Big blocks can make TWICE the torque of import motors with no boost or power adders. Over 1000hp N/A? That's pretty amazing. And this is coming from someone whose never owned an american car.
you left entire words outta your jaw flap.
The unfortunate thing about this amazing engine is that it would almost certainly munch any transmission and/or drivetrain that could possibly be shoehorned into a street car.
Why bring up the rotary? What does that matter? I'd trade torque over saving some engine weight ANY day.
@MrSwagola1 if you have to ask............ they have prices on their website..
where are you going to find a transmission or rear end/axles that will hold up to that engine?
2jz straight 6 is very impressive for a 3.0. If they set this 632 up the same way it could be making 3000hp.
They don't make a dyno that can dyno a 2000hp gas engine but there are engine dynos that can handle 1500+hp diesels making 2500+lb-ft?
Broke the dyno ?!#@ ,what a monster
We have 800hp 2 litre engines here in AUS. Thats 400hp per litre. Assuming this makes 2500hp set to kill mode and its 10.4 litres in capacity, thats 240hp per litre..
It is actually very streetable. Classic muscle cars can handle this engine all day long. There have been multiple street cars in the 6's at WELL over 200 mph with this kind of power, ON STREET TIRES. No, i'm not joking. It's true. NRE makes a 2,500 hp 572 cubic inch hemi too, which produces 2,000 hp on only 22-23 psi, and almost as much torque, in foot-lbs. On the full 36 psi, an engine like that, in a street car, on street tires, can see mid 6's @ 230+ MPH.
Breaks the dyno. What transmission will hold this haha?!
@Smokin07ram I never intended my comment to be anything about motor for motor or a comparison - was talking about the dyno numbers and the dyno's themselves. Steve has been making 2,000+ HP motors for years - you're well aware of i know. They each have in house engineering that is fantastic, time for Nelson to step aside from the turbos/intakes and apply it to the(a) dyno. Aside from that, Steve is more old school, Nelson is more new school =]
There are indeed built twin-turbo supras....and along with those supras are tens of thousands of fanboys claiming it's the fastest car on earth. I'd say that makes them fair game.
I think a better dyno should be maid I want to know how much power a top fuel dragster makes
oil temps °C or °F? btw respekt for your sick constructions! Thanks
Efficiency drops with size. How hard is an 800 hp 2l working compared to this? Here in the EU and in the US, they also have those engines. Not sure which aussie built engine you are refering to. His 454 makes 2500+, so that's 337 pr. liter. The 632's can make way over 3000 hp, it's all about what to use it for. This thing will go for several thousand miles, before needing a rebuild. Apples to apples here.
sorry how much would this cost opposed to a 2jz-gte?
Is it pump gas or is it the VP 116 you just mentioned :-/
One of these days, that NRE dyno is just going to flash "TILT" on the monitor.