I've never heard of an industry losing money for an entire decade and still wonder why?

Blaming the consumer is always a good idea. Imagine eating at a restaurant They don't cook your food correctly and they continue to do so or get your order wrong constantly So you stop going to the restaurant and then the restaurant berates the consumer for doing so.

@bigtomboye

5 ай бұрын

And then the media does an article on how the restaurant is correct ✅ 😂

Why would we lower our standers for comics that wouldn’t even pass as toilet paper?

It used to be: 'Is this comic good enough for our fans?'. Now it's: 'Are our fans good enough to read this'!!

They're still searching for that mythical "NEW AUDIENCE", huh? Companies have been doing that for like a decade at this point. I don't think you're gonna find them.

@tacticianAlexandra

5 ай бұрын

Yeah at this point the "modern audience" don't exist or are so small, they can't support any industry.

@Slitheringpeanut

5 ай бұрын

Not 'searching', trying to create.

@linusgustafsson2629

5 ай бұрын

@@Slitheringpeanut Probably not even create. More like convert the readers into fellow cultists. Side effects may be some cultists picking up comics just because it enforces their cult beliefs.

@hope-cat4894

5 ай бұрын

​@@linusgustafsson2629 Those cultists aren't reading these stories. They just pretend to on social media but then continue with their day. Even they haven't drank the kool-aid. They just throw their drinks in the bushes when no one is looking.

@vash9760

5 ай бұрын

It’s kind of like how OJ has been looking for Nicole Brown’s killer for the past 30 years.

Marvel and DC tell me to go to hell for years and then ask me to “be more open minded” for their benefit and not mine? Hmm 🤔 let me think on that, bud! I’ll get back to you

So nothing was learned? Well Disney hasn't either. I can see getting new talent but that means getting real talent.

You used to get talents like Dwayne McDuffie and Len Wein writing episodes of the animated shows. Now we get the worst writers with no attachments to the characters demoted from writing terrible animated movies to writing terrible comic books. Of course it’s gunna suck.

The good old blame the fans technique That's a classic one that surely always works out.

We have the exact same problem in video games too. Whenever someone mentions "modern audience" unironically, you can instantly discard their opinion.

@bigtomboye

5 ай бұрын

100% yes 👍

@maxmazzotti6651

5 ай бұрын

I used to think that meant a new generation of readers but now it means insane activists

@sojouner_-1363

Ай бұрын

​@@maxmazzotti6651 And the worst part is Insane activist don't fucking read comics 😂.

I gotta disagree with Dok saying Mark Waid isn't a big name. The guy is an absolute clown, but there is no way to get around some of the stories he's written. His run on Flash, Kingdom Come, JLA, Daredevil.

@bryanrickard7712

5 ай бұрын

Waid is one creator j will just blindly buy if I see his name on a new book

@colesonlamb5981

5 ай бұрын

@@bryanrickard7712 yeah I do the same. I'm waiting for the Waid/Mora Justice League book that's hopefully coming out

@bryanrickard7712

5 ай бұрын

@@colesonlamb5981 it’s honestly insane that there is no JL title ongoing

Tom King turns everything he touches to trash, but they keep giving him popular characters to ruin.

This is like when people try to give suggestions for how to save the MCU, and they give every other option _except_ improve the writing quality. (and fire the bad writers!)

Comic book readers HAVE been broadening their reading. It's called manga, and they're not coming back.

@hope-cat4894

5 ай бұрын

Until the localizers ruin that medium too with the heavy censorship and politics.

@davidgantenbein9362

5 ай бұрын

@@hope-cat4894Maybe, but imo it looks like Japanese publishers have become aware of this and will adapt to the problem by doing the translation themselves. Pushing out current localizers will be the new trend in anime and manga for 2024/25 (imo).

I consider Waid a big name - despite what I think about his personal behaviour.

@BiggieTrismegistus

5 ай бұрын

Me too. He's an obnoxious dick but be can definitely write excellent comic books.

The Ship has Sunk and they are holding on to the mast

@PrivateCitizen84

5 ай бұрын

Oh and the Captain blaming the passengers for the reason why his rickety poorly made ship sank.

@dickybird6916

5 ай бұрын

Nah they're holding on to the anchor

This is basically from the comicbook industry: "How are we losing money? Surely it's not because we're bitting the hand (readers) that gives us money. Nah, it's the hand's fault - it has to be"

In my opinion, the best of the new generation is someone like Jeffery Adams. But unfortunately, they keep on sidelining him, they being DC, so he’s never given the chance to thrive and survive. Favorite doc quote ever… Baseball lesbian bike riding. 👍

I've almost entirely moved away from Marvel and DC and found heaps of great indie comics, but none of those creators are ever going to be hired by marvels woke gatekeepers, and they don't need to be. They're doing more than fine on their own.

Wait. Are they trying to say creators didn't have total freedom to do with what they please? So all that butchering of lore, canon and randomly changing characters to become something totally different? Are we living in the same reality? For this seems like article written from someone that came from a different dimension.

Are you sure it’s not an out of season April Fool’s joke?

@tacticianAlexandra

5 ай бұрын

Yeah it like, has the comic industry not been trying to do some of these things for years? Like making people lower their standards. It failed massively so. Like I hope it april fools joke. It would save me brain cells.

@totomen666

5 ай бұрын

Sadly not, they race-swapped Jenny Sparks -to be black woman with ELECTRO theme.... so innovate, never i seen before such a thing.

Gotta disagree with Doc on the big name thing. A couple of those names are big enough to guaruntee No One with any taste is going to buy that comic. They're big names, just not the kind you want.

Except grant Morrison there are no younger readers only mostly older fans. Younger readers are reading manga

@PrivateCitizen84

5 ай бұрын

I have hundreds of volumes of comics a rather mixed collection of caped & sci-fi. The kids have access to them all (barring Morrison The Filth, The Boy's & Millarworld stuff). They are to busy playing Fornite. They lost a lot of the younger generation to gaming aswell.

@maxmazzotti6651

5 ай бұрын

How do we get new readers to complement the old ones

Two things. Why would an outsider come into an overpriced hobby to be treated terribly by the creators and the media who are involved in it? I also think Doc's analogy where he says Manga works because the bread and butter series are a high enough quality of their own but makes you want some odd toppings sometimes.

Hmm... I thought comics were doing better than ever. According to the comic book pros, last year comic book sales broke records. WTF happened? It's as if comic books were in trouble for a long time.

They can’t save their low payed jobs on those dying websites from getting deemed redundant but think they have a clue how to save Marvel and DC! 😂

I wonder if it’s cost effective for both Marvel and DC to find untapped creators at conventions, and have them contribute to a try out book. No agendas, no identity politics. Stories showcasing the characters that these creators love. Put a try out book on the shelves and see how it sells. Personally I think Marvel and DC would be inundated with requests from creators to get on a showcase book.

I hate when you invoke Vertigo because I LOVED Vertigo. These people could never do Vertigo comics. We know this cause when they did bring back the label, it DIED IN LESS THAN A YEAR.

@PaballoKobe-xh9ve

5 ай бұрын

They also went against the vertigo mandate nothing tehre was really mew pr fresh. Cave Carson? Fkn Shade the changing woman. Is that the same quality as planetary invisibles animal man sandman. Transmetropolitan.

You need big names because nobody trusts the current crop enough to come back. Getting new people is fine, but they definitely have to spend time working with talent that knows the craft, and knows the market. The current crop ousted the previous one because they wanted to change it for their messaging. End of the day, I DON'T need to change. If DC and Marvel don't give me what I want, I'll spend my money elsewhere. I'll buy One Punch Man, I'll buy Sakamoto Days, I'll buy Chainsaw Man, I'll buy Alphacore, I'll buy Conan. I'm not working my job, then spend the money I earn on something I don't like, just to sustain companies with no business sense. It's telling the narrative has gone from "this isn't for you anymore" to "you should change what you want". They know the new audience isn't coming, and they are desperate to get the people that actually spend back.

Yeah, we’re the problem because We demand good and Quality work.

@Slitheringpeanut

5 ай бұрын

Oh, but people have. Let's take Star Wars. Because the moment the Disney trilogy came out, people are suddenly thinking the Prequels were actually good. That is what people do.

“We’re left with the biggest names of what’s left.” -Dok Exactly.

Brilliant analogy comparing current day comics to Pop music. Because it IS the same concept. You have something that has been around for DECADES. When someone comes along that is "Old school" they're told they need to be more diverse and inject modern day concepts and ideas into their albums and they FAIL. Why? Because the people that LISTENED to their stuff dont want any of the modern day garbage in it. Its not what got them where they are and wont move them forward. Its the same with comics. Nobody who reads the core comics from DC and Marvel want their characters to be progressive and modernized to a point where who and what they are are unrecognizable. Shoving that at people and being told NO is no more the readers fault then shoving a Paul McCartney rap record at his fans and being told "No" is the LISTENERS fault. I've thought this for a good long while now. Its like these companies think SHOVING something in peoples faces is the standard norm now and if you say NO, you're a horrible human being. That just screams to me "We know this stuff is garbage and the ONLY way we can combat that is to GUILT you into buying it". The sad thing is, we read it to have something to rail about, thinking that if we scream loud enough, they will change. ...They wont. The truth of the matter is, in Music, in comics, In movies....is that sales numbers speak louder than words. You cannot even really cherrypick titles either. Because we all know if we IGNORE the crappy core books and buy only the titles we like, Marvel and DC will drag those titles into a crossover with the crap ones. So if you LOVE to read, say, Ultimate Spiderman, but cannot stand any other Ultimate books....they will give you PART of a story that you HAVE to read the other books to understand. The ONLY way to fix this is to dump everything. Let it die so the idiots with agendas get bored and move on. Then rebuild it without them sticking their noses in it.

The big two are like a sick family that sticks together. They are staffed with woke and incompetent people that fit that DEI quota. We will never get better stories that fit the characters we know and love until we get people in there that share our interests in regards to DC and Marvel.

I like Aaron Sparrow

The manga industry is helped by the fact that it builds up and replaces tentpoles frequently. The Superhero industry has pigeon holed western comics with the same tentpoles for generations now. That would have been fine if they were taken care of. That has decidedly not been the case and most fans have given up as a result.

THESE PEOPLE WILL NEVER LEARN STAY TRUE TO THE CHARACTERS IT PISSES ME OFF HOW THEY TREAT THESE CHARACTERS WOW😮

Guess what? If you 'experiment' with my favorite character, and it really, really sucks.....then that's no longer my favorite character. That's what has happened too many times for me to care about modern Marvel or DC. And sadly, the books that would have kept me in comics (the old CrossGen style ongoing genre stories) died a long time ago...

Taylor Swift is considered a pop star. Scott Cawthorn and Rachel Smiths are considered big name comic book writers. Graphic novelists would be arguably more appropriate. Kevin Eastman is from an older generation but has carried IDW on his back for three years straight with Last Ronin. This is not saying Marvel/DC can attract quality talent that will give them their best ideas: Hickman & Tynion pulling the ripcord to Substack ended that delusion. This notes that the floppy comic market is in the midst of a long delayed transformation. My limited 2 cents will need more time.

@hope-cat4894

5 ай бұрын

I don't know if Lil' Naz X counts as one, but people like him too.

I’m perfectly willing to accept that not all, comics are for me. I’m willing to accept that the market can change and tastes can change and the industry might be headed in a direction that is it to my liking. But that’s a totally different thing than calling for the industry t create Books that are not what readers want. Should I be forced to buy a Power Girl comic that ignores the substance and characterization of her entire history? No…let the market decide the direction.

Blame the readers for demanding so much it's just dumb. These people are so arrogant that don't even are able to recognize that your books sucks. We wanna to see the classical heroism back we wanna to see heroes being heroes and inspire the good in anothers. It's just simple. We need more talents like Kurt Busiek that can delivery a good superhero book. This new crop of writers needs understand what heroism are. Enough of descontruction and cynism. The mangas can delivery something more heroic and aspirational than any Marvel and DC books in nowadays and this one of main reasons of why mangas sells so good.

My LCS is going under I think. 😢 Shutting down and looking for a new location while still online

@davidallen4026

5 ай бұрын

Sounds like my LCS.

Blame us? We don't have to pay for that.

Which writers would you recommend on what titles?

Bring back the "classic" editors. Hire Jim Shooter as EIC of DC and let him kick a$$. Hire John Byrne as EIC of Marvel to rein everything in.

I'd like to correct everyone's misconception. These people are not LOOKING for a 'new audience', like most things 'modern' they're trying to CREATE it. And because they're incompetent, they're failing.

@PrivateCitizen84

5 ай бұрын

I do think they are after the modern audience, but it just doesn't have the numbers or the attention span. What is more modern than current day issues? Thing is current day is not timeless. It dates faster than a used condom. Things that have been in development then production to chase a current day trend from two or three years ago, become dated.

@Slitheringpeanut

5 ай бұрын

@@PrivateCitizen84 This 'modern audience' they speak of doesn't exist. Because the Audience wants the same thing as always: Traditional Entertainment. Fun stories with simple premises and plots, no overt preaching. So they have to CREATE it for their propaganda.

@PrivateCitizen84

5 ай бұрын

@@Slitheringpeanut Oh the modern audience exists. Mainstream just don't have the ability to cater to it fast enough. The news cycle is very fast. Tik Tok & You Tube shorts fill that current day need gap. Any current day issues blow over very quickly and it's on to the next new thing. Nobody cares three years down the line about movie that got made about an old dated trend or old news cycle. Timeless stories work for long term projects as they don't become dated. It's a case of know the audience and what works with what audiences.

Writers, writers, writers. That's all that's ever talked about in comics now. When I was a boy during the Bronze Age, we rarely talked about writers. We talked about the artists. Comics are a visual medium. Promote artists, not writers. Maybe we need to go back to the good ol' Marvel Method of the Silver Age. You can still tell modern stories this way.

Like I knew It, they will wait until the ship start to sink and the water is in their mouths so the finally try to save those comics, the joke writes himself.

"It was me, Barry, i asked DC to become total shithole of LGBT+ propaganda and fire EVS" - Yellow Flash

Big name writers no longer exists. The industry has tarnished their reputation so bad that customers no longer trust writers or artists anymore enough to boost any one creator

I think there needs to be a focus on hiring better artists..where are the next Jim Lee, Joe Mad, Simon Bisley, Todd McFarlane and yes even Rob Liefeld?...there's not many artists who can move the needle and raise the sales of the books they work on..

@theomaniatis9873

5 ай бұрын

Nick Derington, James Harren, James Stokoe, Ryan Stegman, DWJ just to name a few that could. It seems DC/Marvel just can't afford them(?) OR they all refuse to draw trash stories 🤷

@tonyfrickey9062

5 ай бұрын

​@@theomaniatis9873they're pretty good but their not increasing sales on name alone...Stegman is not going to get put on x-men, spider-man or batman and sell a extra 10,000 or more copies...those books will stay at the same sales that they would be at if he wasn't on those books...just because you like them doesn't mean they can move the needle..I like chris bachalo but I know he's not going to move a book in the top 20 to a top 5 book..

@davidgantenbein9362

5 ай бұрын

Imo the move to have different artists doing the cover than do the interior isn’t helping here as it ruins the artist’s marketing.

When will comic book fans learn to read what is put in front of us?

Bros straight up lying lmao we have done nothing but tout Dawn of DC right up until they shot themselves in the foot and went on hiatus.

Even the Nepo babies like the Kuberts had to cut their teeth doing lettering or licensed shlock.

@SolidGoldCEO

5 ай бұрын

I've got old issues of the UK version of Sonic the Comic written by a young man named Mark Millar, I wonder if he ever went anywhere in the industry.

@rammisalami

5 ай бұрын

@@SolidGoldCEO also wrote some minor stuff for Superman Adventures and filled in at Vertigo on a dead Swampthing title but I couldn’t say.. And he wanted to be an artist but thank god he went into writing!

The first step they need to take is hiring some greats as their EICs. C.B. Cebulski and Marie Javins just ain't it...

I'll admit I miss reading the stories by writers like Marv Wolfman, Len Wein, Marty Pasko, Bob Rozakis, Paul Kupperberg, Paul Levitz, Mike W. Barr, Mark Evanier, Roy Thomas, etc. I'm approaching my 50th anniversary of reading DC Comics. I can't believe the dreck that passes for comics today. Give me stories like Camelot 3000, Sword of the Atom, Ms. Tree (the first ongoing independent comic I followed). Stop making everything edgy, dark, grim, and gritty. Stop pushing personal ideological agendas and identity politics instead of crafting characters readers want to read about in situations that show them being heroic in the moment. Let readers be entertained again instead of being lectured yet again. I'll stop now and get off my soapbox. 😆

They hire the crud writers because they’re not willing to pay a good one.

Awesome work guys

They will never change because it will never even occur to them they are wrong.

Hate to admit…💯If the BIG 2 don’t do well, the industry does not do well. Getting back into comics in 2018, I could not name publishers other than DC and Marvel🤦🏻. Started buying up all their books, following every series and event, but now I am down to 5-Marvel, 6-DC…and that is being VERY generous to the brands. Most of my money goes to collected editions from the past and Indie titles. Thanks for the video Wes and Dok✌️

The entire comic industry barely qualifies as niche. There are probably fewer than 300k readers of comics right now, maybe under 200k.

I'm pretty sure Doc was going somewhere with the houses and pebbles. Can't really say where though.

The current wave of young creators have no idea what they're doing and don't want to learn anything from those who built the industry.

Give everyone in this comment section a DC or Marvel book and they would be more successful than anything that’s been released from those two in years.

They really don’t get that the young audience is reading shonen manga instead of superheroes? Yes, there is a young audience and it’s the same it was decades ago, not some mythical „modern audience“, just young boys that still like young boys stuff and find it in shonen manga. So yeah, these professionals gave up the young audience and now hope that variants and events grifts will make the old audience pay long enough for them to get a hot meal out of it, while complaining about not everything being written for „the modern audience“.

Part of it is the comic book industry did this to themselves. How does one actually "break in" to the comic book industry? Marvel and DC used to accept pitches or host tryouts. Now it seems to all be rooted in nepotism and kissing the right person's ass. How many potential Alan Moore and Grant Morrisons have never had a shot because they gave that job to someone who hits the right checkmark?

Can't build a house out of bricks?!.. Well I suppose my domicile is a lie then, here oop north of England with our nori bricks. XD

The readers are not the problem or the reason why comics have been shit for the past few years it’s these garbage writers who have made it their mission to destroy everything we love about comic books

@PrivateCitizen84

5 ай бұрын

Even if the readers are the problem to this guy what is his solution? Clockwork Orange has an interesting scene about Pavlov's Classical Conditioning. Do we need to go through DEI conversion therapy? Quality is BAD! Diversity, inclusion & equity is GOOD!

Popverse says the readers are the problem?? Lol… no Wes you are spot on , they need better writers & creators and not these hacks doing it now

4:00 I agree with Grant but the thing is people like Grant & Weezie (diverse people who can write good comics) don’t wanna work for dc or marvel because they don’t pay They exist just like people like Jeremy Adams do but they’ve got to be paid or like Jeremy or even Donny Cates (prior to his weird mess) they’ve gotta have another source of income that’s indie comics , in Hollywood or even a normal day job

The old chasing the modern audience canard.

Also the big names that left the big two are either working with Eric July and his Rippaverse or starting their own crowd funding books.

@APremiumDegenerate

5 ай бұрын

Considering how bad Rippaverse has been, it’s not gonna help anything

@Julius.Council3

5 ай бұрын

@APremiumDegenerate Well that's definitely your opinion, I like it that's my opinion.

I’ll give them credit…They are consistent when it comes to never taking responsibility and blaming customers for not conforming to their horrid decisions. Lol

well that must have bin an short article right? I mean the solution is easy. Step 1 fire all the hacks Step 2 hire actual talent Step 3 follow what they do in Japan. If you sell you can continue your run , but if your sales suck then your comic is canceled and you don't automatically get an new title. Step 4 Stop searching for the mythical new audience as they don't excist

It's pretty simple, tell good stories with decent artwork and you'll be fine. That's ALL you need to do.

What you just said about Ta-nehisi Coates is the trajectory of a black panther writer at marvel. Hiring people who are not being kept.

I feel like one day I am going to come to this channel and watch a bonfire of comic books being burned 😅

When what you're doing isn't working, try something new. Even if that "new" thing is just doing something old in a new way.

When you want the next generation of voices not talent is the biggest problem with the industry since talent knows what it's job is and a voice only bitches about inequality and most of the time had no talent....the black and white 80's stuff only lasted maybe two to five issues and only one lasted to be a legend the tmnts but 90's weird none last beyond the 2000's....they need to look at history and wonder why Neal Adams told young frank miller learn to do something different....the new "voices" only understand entitlement not entertainment ...

I don’t think that there are superstars anymore. Bendis may have been the last bankable name and he’s pretty much ruined his name by this point. The only name known to people outside of comics is Robert Kirkman and maybe McFarlane. Millar is big to geeks like us and his 2 Marvel events sold. But his ongoing runs on spider man and FF kinda flopped. I don’t see him as an answer if he can’t really sell an ongoing. The answer is sadly new CEOs and new editors, and a company wide biography of each character, so they can treat these characters with the respect they deserve.

So, the suggestion to fix DC and Marvel is for them to keep doing exactly what is causing them to fail? The fans need to accept what they are doing? Good luck with that!

Even Pop music is dominated by Korean and Japanese peoples so thanks for that reminder lol And the younger more diverse writers have proven themselves the opposite of what the new audience of readers want. They actively stay away from American comics in favor of manga and wha

As mainly Marvel guy, I'd say DC got a lot right with Rebirth. They then ruined it completely quite quickly, sadly. At least Green Lantern is good again.

Just copy and paste the approach to worlds finest for all books. Simple

I have a questiom west ¿you read comics in spanish?for curiosity

There is a nugget of truth to what that executive is saying. There’s a few problems going on here. The competency crisis made worse by DEI, that’s affecting every aspect of society. The aging fanbase of traditional American comics. The inability of the big two to do anything but big crisis/multiverse style stories or just diversity pandering, sometimes both at the same time. They do need to bring in new readers, and to do that you will need new creators and new ideas. However, if those new ideas are just rehashing old ones and making some characters gay or black, or gay and black, that’s not bringing in anyone.

So, his solution is submit to the collective, forget that thing called quality (maybe because is a "colonialist" standard?) and just give us your money so we can produce this absoulte garbage we sell you to high prices and we expect you praise as masterworks... no, thanks, you dig the hole, it's for you! Good riddance, it was nice while you respected your part of our bargain: entertainment, quality and effort for my money and loyalty, no entertinment, no quality, no effort, no respect? no money!

If this is all true, at this point, fanfics are better than what DC and Marvel are putting out. We should all turn to indie comics and maybe try our hand at making comics ourselves.

Yeah even a few comic retailers are expecting readers to lower their expectations. The strongest way to save the industry is by not buying the comics. Retailers that depend on new comics will really go up in arms with the publishers cuz if readers aren't buying then retailers won't buy to put themselves into further debt. That's never going to happen cuz readers and collectors have fomo and want expensive pretty looking covers no matter how dumb the book is. People who buy Do You Pooh is part of the reason why the industry and hobby is so fucked. Everyone wants cool covers. The multiple covers of facsimile is another thing that shows us how dumb we are as buyers. Yeah you guys are totally right.

Okay, Graeme. I could make "experimental" work. Like have a Green Lantern repair video game consoles. The comic would just be 22 pages of detailed art of circuit boards. It's the most experimental thing a comic could ever do. What would happen? It would FAIL. Because that is not what a Superhero book is suppose to be about. I don't care how much I love repairing game consoles. The majority will NEVER like a comic like that. And you would hate it too. Now, if I put this story in a Manga. Some X-con. Couldn't hold a job. Nearly homeless. And he had a old laptop with a webcam. Start making repair videos on like KZread. That COULD work. I know my place where I shouldn't put things. Do you, Graeme?

If it was up to me, a solution would be to hold contests. Elevate anonymous fanfiction writers to see which of them have the talent or potential before casting them back to their day to day lives. Have professionals and critics judge the works for quality control. Any business is elitist and classist but sometimes you need a commoner or a fool to point out the emperors are naked.

@PrivateCitizen84

5 ай бұрын

Critics are shills & professionals wouldn't want the hassle/aggravation of being called a ist/phobe turning down a crazy eyes identity driven ideologue.

@changvasejarik62

5 ай бұрын

@@PrivateCitizen84 perhaps, you hear a lot from Alan Moore and to a lesser extent grant Morrison bitch about how the future of comics and pop culture is crap but have them try to lead in order to fix it? that’s the rare thing to shut them up. As for the critics have a mix, “professional” and online, lefts and rights get them to agree on a book and it’s at least something. Other than that I stand by my idea.

@PrivateCitizen84

5 ай бұрын

@@changvasejarik62 The idea is fine in itself, but the timing is all wrong. We are still in the tail spin of rampant access shill media & cancel pig culture. People don't trust any critics or industy pro's inside or connected to the industry to be authentic. Grant Morrison & Alan Moore are artists who have left the planet to put it politely. The grounded Mark Millar has already tried to lead the fix. None of these guys do wholesome & optimistic. Something we are kind of lacking in pop culture. So if they fix quality can they also fix the lack of wholesome & optimisim in Big Two comics? I read some stuff with Alex Ross collaborations and I always find they start out with dire circumstances, but still find an optimistic hopeful ending.

@PrivateCitizen84

5 ай бұрын

@@changvasejarik62 No idea whats going on with YT? Another comment that's got a visit by the adjustment bureau oh well. Try again I suppose? The idea in itself his not wrong just the timing. We are in the tail spin of rampant shill access media & cancel pig culture. Anyone connected with industry critics or mainstream comic pro's comes off as less than authentic thesedays. Thing is with competent critics they are generally looking for something beyond the general audience. While art can take a life of it's own beyond the intention of the creator. Example like The Watchmen with Alan Moore. So actual critical artistic acclaim & artistic intent can be so meaningless to the general paying audience. The audience decides the success of the art. Not the critics, not the artist. Alan Moore & Grant Morrison are not what I would call grounded people to fix anything. The grounded Mark Millar has tried to figure out a plan to fix comics. All these writers are the best when doing really messed up cynical stuff anyway. I have noticed Alex Ross collaborations I have read tend to start off with dire circumstances, but ends on a note of hopeful optimism. Big Two lacks hope even a fools hope.

@PrivateCitizen84

5 ай бұрын

@@changvasejarik62 This is BS retyped a comment twice & it's gone, wtf YT bots. I will repost it in three parts & see which one gets deleted.

Yes they believe they know what they’re doing as they to talk to themselves in front of the mirror as fans and me who isn’t really a comic fan that only grew up on the cartoon shows and somehow understand the core of these characters without the overly messed up complex from the comic side that its a endless rabbit loophole trap without any actual answer just to make excuse to break characters. I say it again in short term that these resets aren’t really reset as they keep going back the suppose reset which pretty much not resetting dc at all. Just adding more problems and not actually fixing the real problem and everyone dc characters can do AAAANNNYYYYYTTTTTHHHHIIINNNGGGGG *making the voice of hughe bliss from telltale Sam and Max game* because everyone is a god and can do anything they want from mcguffin plot armor muffins that can be pull out magically without no explanation at all.

I know perch would disagree with this, but I think Jonathan Hickman is a huge draw. I think he’s the closest thing the industry has to like a huge name.

I mean im sure there's some "young creators" that would have a good story but its like, why fight against the company for notice if you aren't a bunch of checked boxes and even if you somehow get the job you're just working for peanuts when you can take it to a video game or even the indie scene for real money. Its why pop music is a bunch of soundcloud and long running pop stars, everyone that wanted that do that realized they were just getting bent over by the "label" or the "company" because they cover a bill or let them play with a somewhat dusty and broken toy like Batman or Rick Ruben. Everyone that could left and all thats left is those that couldn't build their rafts quick enough. And its a losing battle. Check those national scores for reading ability on the current generation. No one reads for fun under 18 (painting with a broad stroke there) people like anime because they can read a couple pictures and wait a month for an anime that will show them the story scene for scene practically. And even that, for the boogieman manga is, I see an endless parade of actual comic readers who sell Demon Slayer, Vinland Saga, etc FULL SETS and they're like "yeah i read the first vol" or "unread condition" you had a big push during covid when everything closed and a bunch of normies hopped on a trendy thing. Its not going to be the future where in 20 years kids are mowing lawns and hoverboarding down to the 7/11 to pick up Borutos new grandkid manga. It blipped on the map for a fad like Australian movies did, and its the scapegoat for where everyone went.

Mark Waid is still a name But the rest are spot on

What else do you guys need to realize you are in a abusive relationship with DC and Marvel? Forget about them! Let's move on and talk about the good stuff! Let's talk about indies!

I've proposed publishing American comics the way manga is, in monthly anthologies for which readers and subscribers may vote on which series they like most, with the least popular being canceled. The point is to reintroduce competition to an industry that is DYING because American artists and writers got complacent, and stopped doing their best in order to win more readers. Aren't we all more willing to invest OUR TIME and MONEY reading a story whose artist and writer invested their BEST EFFORT in it? Or are we content with something that looks and reads like something a six-year-old child scribbled out?

SMH

All you need to do is look at the picture of the writer beside the article. Who on earth is going to look at that and think this article is going to be sane, just look at that picture. It’s going to be utter swill, pure drek, but I actually like when they put those pictures there so I instantly know not to read it. I know exactly what his opinion will be just by looking at it.

Technically Geoff Johns still writes for DC.... but he would be it