Dodge isn't killing Dodge.... Stellantis is!

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Yep!

Carlos Tavares said that Alfa is, "the crown jewel of Stellantis." That pretty much tells us all we need to know.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

💯!!

@blackvin4439

Ай бұрын

🎯

We have purchased 5 Dodges in the last 6 years. Moving forward we have ZERO interest in buying a Dodge because there isn't anything we want or like.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Exactly. Well said. What a confusing and misguided path they are taking!

Tesla’s success had all these traditional ICE engine companies thinking that they TOO could design and sell a shit ton of EV’s. 😂 It doesn’t WORK like that.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

💯

Serves them right. They had a known problem with the 3.6l v6 Pentastar engine and it's defective rocker arms issue; that one goes way back to 2013 and they did not nothing for the owners of this engine (2014 Dodge Durango w/new spark plugs cost me $2350 w/ all 24 replaced, but no cam damage, including a state inspection plus emissions and oil change). My 1986 2.2 Turbo (Trenton based) was a better engine and only rusted brake lines took it off the road with 150,000+ miles on original engine/turbo. Since then I've experienced the 2006 Honda 3.0 V6 (current car), 2012 Toyota Sienna V6 (awesome motor) and the 2022 3.5 Liter Honda V6 in Pilot. All better.

@JCT442

6 сағат бұрын

I'm the original owner of a '14 GC. I'm waiting for the V6 clicking to start. As soon as it does it's bye bye GC. My power steering reservoir was bone dry but no sign of leaks and the inside of the rack boots were dry and the level remains full after one year. Go figure. Sorry for your troubles John.

I have purchased an SXT a GT and 3 Scat Packs. Can definitively say I have zero interest in the EV.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Same!!

I have to agree with you guys, and the comments also. Stellantis is killing Dodge off, along with Chrysler. The once mighty Chrysler Corporation has bee reduced to a brand name with just one vehicle. The Caravan was Dodge’s largest selling vehicle, and it was killed with no replacement. Dodge Journey, no replacement. Dodge Stratus, no replacement. The list goes on…ie; Challenger. Being a lifelong Mopar fan, and customer, this is heartbreaking to see. It hurt when Daimler “merged” with Chrysler, and killed the Plymouth Division, or the Plymouth Division was killed so the so called merger would happen. I can’t remember the timeline. Then the forced merger with Fiat to form FCA is another rotten subject. Thanks for the video, and for letting me vent.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Totally agree !!

Subscribed..Good review guys

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Appreciate you! Thanks for being a part of the channel!

That was a lot of fun. I would love to hear what others are thinking on the Dodge topic.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Thanks Tim! We had a blast - but it’s a sad day for the Dodge brand for sure.

@shanetipton4345

Ай бұрын

Super fun. Love the discussion guys

Lol @ 16:05 " This is trash" "Here's the script"

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

My dream is a Shaker or T/A 392 Challenger in B5 Blue, I unfortunately missed the party but still want the car 🚙 If they just kept as you guys said 2 V8’s or put the Turbo in the base model. On top of price increases, interest rates, I think this is why people are not buying 23’ also.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Totally agree - the interest rates are killing people - but Dodge could have kept a couple of their V8s and made a much smoother transition

I don’t have a major issue with the new Charger design. It’s the forced EV acceptance that turned me away from the brand. Completely missed the mark on the target audience, Ruth’s Chris might as well swap out their prime steaks with “water melon steak” and see what happens lmfao.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Lol 😂

I've owned many many dodge, Plymouth and chryslers and ram's over last 50+ years. I just bought a 2024 Ram TRX final edition....let's see what happens. Remember the EPA is killing the party..

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

They are for sure - but Stellantis clearly has not been a fan of the brand. They are not helping the cause.

I said 6 months ago that Dodge has 2 years left. That means Dodge is down to 18 months. We'll see.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Yep - it’s not looking good!

Guy Talking Cars keep up the great work and you guys are 1000% right about this 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪💪💪

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Thank you! Really appreciate you!! 🇺🇸

They could sell it back to Mercedes-Benz

It would significantly help DODGE if they had their RAM truck back. Sergio’s decision to split DODGE and RAM certainly does not do any favors for the DODGE brand. The Ram has been a symbol for DODGE dating back to 1932.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Great point!!

This push towards EV is ruining car companies. No one wants that junk but hipsters

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Nailed it 💯!!!!

Ive only seen one hornet on the road and i drive 50 miles to work a day.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

I don’t even think I’ve seen any!!

Has Dodge even talked about the charging stations. Do they even have agreements with anyone?

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Another great point - they are no longer a muscle car V8 Hemi company, and they’re not an EV company - so they are stuck in no man’s land without an identity

@dmedford5

Ай бұрын

They would have to use the Tesla charging infrastructure...which I'm sure they would have to license from Tesla for a hefty price.

@Crimson_Fist2

Ай бұрын

@@GuysTalkingCars with no agreements no super charging which means hours to fully charge the cars. Also batteries I wonder how much it's going to cost to replace. Then there is the down grade 2025 versions on horse power. Unless you pay a fee to upgrade.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

@@dmedford5 for sure - they won’t buy emissions credits from Tesla but they’ll have to license infrastructure. . . Lol

Let’s be honest Dodge has been on the chopping block for years, the decision was made years ago in 2011. All they had to do was separate the trucks from the cars, now the Ram stands alone, Dodge and Chrysler will be gone in less than a year.

Mark my words - any brand that goes "all in" on EV's is 100% doomed to be nothing but a niche brand. EV's are a novelty and are NOT "the future". Most people don't realize electric motors and internal combustion engines (2 and 4 stroke) have actually been around roughly the same amount of time (since the 1800's) and were both consumer-available around the early 1900's. There are pictures of EV sedans from the 1950's on Google. Despite over a century to "mature", EV's have never caught on and have ALWAYS suffered issues with range, charging time and cost. Tesla itself is not a serious car brand, it's a flash in the pan niche (their financials are an exercise in hoop-jumping...unless you really believe they're worth 8x+ the entirety of Stellantis). This emissions/EV stuff is a mental illness.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Great post!!!

Tim Kuniskis Killed the V8, Dodge Jeep Ram

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Yep!

The issue with the design of the new charger is that there is no design connection to the previous generation. Generally when a car company updates their car, there is something that carries over so you identify it. Like the C7 to C8. Very different designs but they kept some design elements from the C7. Even though the C8 looks like a Ferrari, you can still point out that it is a corvette. Dodge has to cut their V8s because their line up is pretty much charger and challenger. Ford has way more cars to sell to the people than dodge has.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Well said

For the money they are asking these days, I would buy a restored 68-70 Roadrunner , GTX or a 70-71 Cuda. I will walk before I buy a toaster car.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Agree 💯

Stellantis should sell off RAM, DODGE, and CHRYSLER. They clearly have no interest in any of those brands. Replacing V8’s with I6??? This isn’t Germany.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

💯!!

@Alan-tr5uj

Ай бұрын

Dodge and Chrysler are dead at this point- short of starting to sell mass market compact crossovers to move tons of units, Dodge and Chrysler are done.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

@@Alan-tr5uj can’t argue that!!

Dodge is dead.

Can we the people in USA, buy Dodge?Can we buy 55% of the company and the government buy 45%. Then, we pay the government back.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

That’s actually an awesome idea!!

@colayco

Ай бұрын

Why do you need the government’s help? Why not find a billionaire to get 100%?

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

@@colayco yes!!

@garybishop4030

Ай бұрын

The government doesn't want V8's

Should I use AI to get the Dodge brothers to perform the eulogy now?

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Lol!!!!!!!! Yes! That would be amazing !!

@shanetipton4345

Ай бұрын

😂

Long time dodge guy here...we have to wait and see...new V8 in the making?

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

We can only hope!

Ive had 6 Dodge since 2018. 18 challenger RT 19 challenger wb scat 20 charger hellcat 21 challenger wb scat 22 challenger hellcat and a 23 challenger sxt for my son and dodge has totally lost me as a loyal customer. When i sell my 22 challenger hellcat going to a mustang 350gt. Done with dodge!

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

We are right there with you!! I’m already trying to figure out what to move into next . . . . 😩

There's no way there getting rid of their top sellers without being forced to do it though. It just doesn't add up.. they saw the decline of EV sells with Tesla and they still went for the EV. I personally think they will bring back the Hemi. Like they did last time with the random last year comeback bs and everyone started buying them like crazy causing the prices to go up.. i think they are trying to pull a fast one on us once again in my opinion 🤔

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

I hope they do bring it back!!

Stellantis is the Problem. American investor(s) need to take the Dodge brand from Stellantis, who is killing the Brand (Obviously)

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Totally agree !!

I think that Dodge is dead (give it 2 more years), no matter what, but the Charger with AWD and the Hurricane Twin Turbo 6 will certainly be faster than any Scat Pack before it and will run a quarter mile on the street (unprepped surface) faster than a Hellcat. The AWD with the 550 HP Hurricane will be a very good and fast street car, and just wait till the tuners get to this engine and you will see 1000HP twin turbo AWD Hurricane Chargers in less than 6-8 months after release. I think that the Charger AWD will be an eye opener after the tuners get it. If Dodge had pushed the Hurricane 6 and kind of downplayed the EV's they would be in a much better position. Car and Driver got 0-60 in 4.7 seconds in a 6400 + pound Grand Wagoneer with the Hurricane 6 HO, now take over 2,000 pounds out of it and you can see that the Hurricane 6 Charger will be very capable performer. The looks of the Charger will eventually grow on people, it is not a horrible looking car. Maybe with a new more aggressive front end and a wide body kit, nicer wheels, a cool stripe package, some spoilers and people will change their mind about how it looks.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

I agree with you - and wish they had led FIRST with the hurricane motor and let fans get hands on them before shoving EVs down our throats

@72442conv

Ай бұрын

@@GuysTalkingCars That would have been the smart thing to do for sure.

I agree even if the new EV charger had a 392 engine in it just design wise it looks fucking hideous. I’m keeping my 2018 scat pack challenger I love that thing.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Yes!!! 🔥

I will buy a 2023 leftover Scat. No EV for me---ever! You buy a Dodge for the Hemi, period!

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Period!!!!

My question now is: do I enjoy my 2022 challenger, and put miles on it? Or do I hold on it and keep it as a classic 😂😂😂😂

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

I’m in the same boat! I’m starting to think we just enjoy them - I think there will be aftermarket support for years and we can keep them on the road while everyone is stuck in their EVs

@katwilson7178

Ай бұрын

Agreed! Looks like I am taking it out for a drive. You only live once….

Nissan gtr is going away too…😢 fucking EV’s!!

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Sad!!!

GM flushed Oldsmobile & Pontiac. Chrysler flushed Plymouth and Ford flushed Mercury. Sadly, this is just another example of corporate arrogance and tone deaf management.

Dodge is trying to sell 4 cylinder CUVs to muscle car people, when the company should have tried to appeal to the market segment that buys CUVs, such as the RAV-4, CR-V and Rogue. Dodge went after the wrong market segment, and overpriced the Hornet. The Hornet should have been several thousand dollars *cheaper than* the RAV and CRV, not several thousand dollars MORE expensive, in order for customers to take a chance on it. Dodge is making a similar mistake with the EV Charger. Muscle car folks want nothing to do with EVs, yet the EV Charger ads are trying to win over muscle heads. Dodge, for the 2nd straight time, marketed a vehicle to the wrong customer segment. Although prices for the Charger EV haven't been announced yet, I have no doubt it will be much more expensive than a base model Tesla.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Totally agreed - well said

I'm going to get my money up and will buy CJDR next year. Who's with me? 👇

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Let’s do it!!

Stellantis won't last long either. I've had over 10 dodge vehicles and will no longer buy another.

The hurricane’s are having issues. A lot are being replaced. EV’s way behind schedule with software/battery issues. Tesla 3 performance is a lot quicker and be $20k cheaper. Charger EV will be mid $50’s and up…Look at the crazy prices of Jeep’s, RAMS and even the minivan.

@GuysTalkingCars

16 күн бұрын

Yes!! Hearing same thing. Kinda brings to mind the saying “f around and find out”

Between the Dodge Charger, Challenger and the Chrysler 300, they've lost over 4 billion dollars a year in sales. Yes, that's with a "B." I don't see how you survive the first year which is this year. And since the Mercedes E class cars are gone, I'm no longer interested. Forget about the damned Mexican Hemi. I'll keep my 2018 supercharged Pentastar AWD Charger forever. You gotta just love the speaker on the back of the EV for exhaust sound. I find that to be hysterical. So at least they're going out with a laugh. And, I predict they're going to get 100,000 dollars for it. Up from the 28,000 original base price. That will be the laugh heard around the world. I have four Chrysler products: A 2002 Chrysler Prowler, a 2011 Jeep Liberty, a 2018 Dodge Charger, and a 2019 Jeep Renegade, and it ENDS THERE.

I'm looking for a new Challenger. There are some left. Is it a mistake to buy one? I'm hearing about production issues on the 2023's. I'm hearing that Dodge is Dead. I'm hearing of CDJR dealers closing, Autonation rumored to be dumping Dodge (per youtubers). I've got a 66 AMC Marlin (bought used recently) and a 2002 Saturn L200 that I bought new, so I'm familiar with how lousy it is when a car company dies and I'm left with an unsupported vehicle. Is buying a 2023 Challenger in 2024 a mistake?

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

We don’t think so - but if you’re worried try to buy one manufactured in the first half of 2023. Or, negotiate an extended warranty - I did that with my 2023 Redeye. Otherwise just go drive and enjoy the car. Let us know what you decide!!

@ScottyDoesStuff

Ай бұрын

@@GuysTalkingCars will do. So far none of these dealers seem to want to part wirh their cars for any reasonable amount. Had one in Tacoma, WA wreck one I bought before delivery and they are still selling it as new..I'm about ready to give up. It's just too much effort dealing with CDJR.

Stellantis is by far the worst car company in the world

@dannysdailys

Ай бұрын

And they bought the worst company in the world. Mercedes made us forget that.

Until Stellantis or Dodge themselves pull the plug, I'm not calling anything official.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

We all have hope but it’s looking grim

Well keeping the two best selling versions of the Charger and Challenger would leave us with the V6 versions first and foremost since they sell in the largest numbers by a huge margin, and the 5.7 is the volume leader for the V8 cars. As far as the new body style looking “rental car”, what the hell do you think the 15-23 Charger looked like? They were also tired, generic looking cars. The Charger was a joke ever since they brought it back for 06’. We all said back then that it was suicide to introduce a 4-door Charger; a “real” Charger has 2-doors.. Blah blah blah. People will buy whatever new products Dodge sells- they’re trying to get back to making “mass” market vehicles again instead of these niche muscle-cars that have seen the brand atrophy down to a small shadow of what it once was.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Opinions vary!!

Stellantis is calling the shots at Dodge!!! Dodge has no choice in what they offer.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Yep - it’s sad to watch these fools kill the brand

@jaimemurray6654

Ай бұрын

To be honest, I think that was their intention all along. Stellantis along with other European-based corporations loathe the way American brands engineered their automobiles right down to the steering wheels being on the left-hand side. Dodge was one of the few car companies that was a representative of American expression in a automotive form. Since it was difficult for Stellantis to convert Dodge into a way that it can be assimilated to strike an interest to the majority European-based audience, they would rather take as much money as they can generate from the heritage of the name until it is all used up and ultimately throw it away , which is becoming apparent just based on how we are talking about Dodge right now. 😕

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

@@jaimemurray6654 perfectly said. Totally agree

Hmmm.... what if Trump could buy the Dodge brand... 🤔🤔

@shanetipton4345

Ай бұрын

lol MDGA Make dodge great again 😂

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Love it!!

@colayco

Ай бұрын

Trump has no money. He’s not even a real billionaire.

@johnmcmullen456

Ай бұрын

Trump has a history of business failures & bankruptcies.

The hemis today aren’t even true hemis

Why is it that you guys and a bunch of commenters on here have had so many dodges in such a short period of time? Are they really that bad?

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

No they are that much fun that you keep upgrading or buying different models!!

Dodge has always been bottom of the fishbowl customer base anyway

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Lol 😂

Call me crazy but hear me out....Elon Musk should buy dodge. He already has the ev market. Hes even on record saying ev is not the way, and people should be able to buy what they want. Buying dodge would not take away from tesla. Cause if people want a ev they will buy and ev.

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

This is actually not a crazy idea and I could see him doing it just to prove a point

@jasonknight5863

Ай бұрын

@@GuysTalkingCars I agree he is not a pansy. He could have easily afford to buy Dodge and make it great again: because the E.V Tesla Division would be selling so many E.V’s that it would offset their carbon credits. Which they would need to continue to sell V8’s in their other division the Dodge Company. Thanks to the E.P.A and the Federal Government getting involved with car manufacturers. We need to start a movement. Otherwise Dodge will go down in flames soon and it will become another Pontiac with its legendary Trans-Am … which is just a glorious good memory of the past now. Same with the Camaro. It’s is slowly but surely turning into an E.V company, thanks to Dem. Mary Barra the C.E.O.

@shmiggz

Ай бұрын

The funny thing is, dodge dieing may kill Tesla too! They literally kept them alive all these years by buying cafe credits. Now they aren't allowed to buy them anymore which means even more losses for Tesla.

Let TaTa Motors buy it...I like what they have done with the Jaguar brand.

All the crying damn they only had the hemi

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Well . . . Plus some iconic cars but it only takes one thing to build a brand . . . And clearly you can destroy that fast.

Buy chevy because dodge never has made soild car besides the viper

Stellantis has purposely demonically sabatoged Dodge 👹👹👹👎🏽 And trying 2 force a 6000lb box 📦 . The current challengers and chargers designs are ICONIC🎯💯. No way I go from my redeye hellcat challenger to that new 6000lb 📦box👎🏽🚩✌🏽🎯💯🫡

@GuysTalkingCars

Ай бұрын

Well said!! Agreed !!