It sounds to me like her brother killed her, dumped her body somewhere, put her stuff in her car and ditched it nearby. Crazy that the police didn’t get a warrant or gain access to the apartment for 2 months - they would not have needed the brother’s permission to enter if the lease wasn’t in his name. Sounds like a very poor investigation. Also seems clear that they found enough blood and physical evidence to determine that she was badly injured or killed in the apartment. Very sad.

@roamingmalones3441

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@MoonlightGrahamCracker

2 жыл бұрын

Its not easy to get a search warrant, especially in a missing person case.

@tx.beekeepinglady5274

2 жыл бұрын

Odd..

@roserea3156

2 жыл бұрын

You bet he did.

From what I recall about this case is that the brother was being kicked out of Mandy's apartment , by her due to his stealing something like 6k from her and writing bad checks on her accounts. Also, he was completely uncooperative with the Police from the start of the investigation and continued using her debit card after she went missing. He had a bad drug problem and stole all of his sister's money. Maybe the family got him a lawyer , because I think Mandy's mother was in denial about the circumstances at hand and helped him out by letting him move in with her. Such a tragic loss and I wish LE would've got a search warrant for the apartment right away. I think the brother killed her in that apartment. Sad, sad case.

@TheMattTrakker

2 жыл бұрын

Then pretended to be her on the phone with the BF?

Doesn't seem like her family was cooperative at all. You would think they would do anything to find out what happened to her, including grilling the brother. But, on the other hand maybe they were trying to protect him. No family cooperation would make this all the harder to solve.

@reesedaniel5835

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a family of vipers to me (aka narcissists). Amanda was probably the Family Scapegoat.

She was either kidnapped from her car by some unknown assailant, or her brother did her in inside the house, put her body in her car along with her stuff, dumped the body somewhere, and then left her car on the side of the road running to throw the cops off of his trail and in the wrong direction.

@TheMattTrakker

2 жыл бұрын

And her drug addict brother managed to pull all of this off without anyone seeing him do it or leaving any evidence?

The argument occurred because her brother had been using HER bank card and draining HER bank account.,of HER money.This meant there would be no money for rent,etc..because of the amount of $ that the brother stole out of her bank account.And it was thought that she was going to go to the police about the matter.

Oakland in 2007 was very dangerous. I was there. My friend was mugged at gun point. Also, in some places you can't fully pull off the road. There's no room. It's very crowded in many places.

@DIVISIONINCISION

2 жыл бұрын

Of all the places to live, why Oakland? Even San Fran is not safe, but Oakland?

I can't believe that ANY car wasn't stolen in Oakland in less than 6 min let alone hours

@isabellind1292

2 жыл бұрын

Gone are the olden days when cowboys had to check in their weapons when they rode into town and stealing another mans horse would end in a lynching!🔫🤠🐴💀

I think her brother has to know something. Odd they couldnt get a search warrant for the apartment sooner, with someone there missing! Great job as always, Bryan.

@marktwain368

2 жыл бұрын

What about forensic evidence? Prints on the car, etc.

@kathymyers7279

2 жыл бұрын

Knows something? Probably killed her!

@Zis4Zorro

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/gYqa09V6Zde3g9I.html The brother was actually stealing from her. Here's another video that goes in depth

I have. 3 brothers if one was missing I would let the cops in . Even if I have drugs He is hiding and it’s to late now

This case is very strange. I would love to know what the cops know. And I have to say, what a brother. I’d turn the world upside down and help help any agency that could bring my sister back.

@billrobbins5874

2 жыл бұрын

CA is a big state. Remember years ago though there was a cop that accosted young women by pulling them over. LA? Poor young woman.

I feel like the brother accidentally killed her in a drug rage and he was dumping the body but when he got back to the car someone was around or he just forgot about the car altogether and he footed it back home....

@reesedaniel5835

2 жыл бұрын

The brother definitely had something to do with her disappearance. Even Barney Fife could figure this out...🙄😏

@that_chicnic9645

2 жыл бұрын

@@reesedaniel5835 😄Oh Barney Fife

My wife and I lived in the apartment next to her when this happened. Our bedroom wall was her kitchen wall. The reports that say her and her brother, "argued so loud the neighbors heard them," that's us. We reported that to the OPD homocide detective, Derwin Longmire (later fired from the OPD for corruption and mishandling evidence). We also reported that we heard her brother in the kitchen either the night of or the night after she went missing, crying and singing, "She Talks to Angels" by the Black Crows. Specifically, that part of the song. Seemed pretty important to us that he would emphasize those words, "She Talks to Angels," if she was only missing and not dead. He was a creepy dude, we always felt he was responsible for her going missing.

I lived in LA around this time and services was horrible on cell phones. Supposedly there were not enough towers. I remember being in Burbank and trying to call a friend on my cell, only to get a message to try later. Even in my house, my cell phone worked better in the living room than in the back of the house. I have AT&T. So, cell phone service was not that great back then. I don't know if someone cut her off though. I do know that I used to lose service in the middle of call - even on the landline.

I can't believe she left that day. She died in that appartment.

Glad to see you covering missing people cases not just the cases involved with hiking. If your not already aware.. The Charlie Project keeps.record.of all the missing people. Thank u Brian for all ur hard work and compassion

I empathize for Amanda. It’s hard to navigate a positive self perspective at times when life serves hard “lessons”. Then adding relationships to the mix is an emotional roller coaster. Especially if she was seeking help while dealing with adverse reactions. I pray for her/her family. Thanks for sharing these cases while giving us words of peace & motivation.

@DIVISIONINCISION

2 жыл бұрын

Life lessons are what make us stronger, Brenda, IF we survive them.

@SHurd-rc2go

2 жыл бұрын

She was a woman, who had many problems. Poor soul. But I know Oakland. These days, think Chicago.

Love the channel man. Keep it up

I’m been living in the Bay Area for a couple years now and it’s pretty normal for cars to stop in the middle of the road and just yield. Oakland is a pretty rough area so anything could have happened. I pray her family gets answers

I feel bad for Amanda, and especially her family. Hopefully some day some light can be shed on this case, and eventually solved. Thank you again Bryan . Great job.

I think Mandy’s brother (the one who was living with her) is involved in her disappearance, especially after the fight the two had. He could have driven her car to the location where it was found, locked it with her belongings inside, and easily walked the two miles back to the apartment. It’s anyone’s guess what he did with her body. I don’t understand why the police didn’t get a warrant and search Mandy’s apartment immediately after her car was found. I think the police dropped the ball by not immediately searching her apartment for evidence. And once new tenants moved in, any evidence that might have been there earlier was forever lost. This is an extremely sad case.

You have a very nice channel, Bryan. I found it yesterday, liked and subscribed right away then binge watched several episodes. Good work, Bryan. Thank you.

I really enjoy your videos Brian! They are well covered and well read!

Maybe her brother left the car running and unlocked hoping it would be stolen and her disappearance would be blamed on someone else

I think you are correct in your opinions. Too many details appear strange. Thanks again. Hope you are healing and can get some sleep.

Great video. Masterful story telling with lots of important detail. Oakland has become the crime capitol of the Bay Area. Anything could have happened. It is strange that her personal belongings were left behind and her car running.

I used to live on Merritt Ave in Oakland back in 2010. The area was *not* nefarious. Oakland is not a hotbed of crime and drugs the way everyone thinks, but the area around the lake can be dicey at night if you’re walking around alone. But there’s no neighborhood around there where you would drive to get out to buy drugs. It’s more likely a corrupt cop than a car jacker

Sounds like an abduction to me. Obviously not a robbery .

This tragic story is laden with instability. Unstable destructive relationships. A 2 thousand mile distant romance and a move to a city known to be unsafe.

@reesedaniel5835

2 жыл бұрын

And a drug addicted, abusive narcissistic brother...(what could possibly go wrong??)

Such a sad story!

There was even a theory, at one point,that her brother had reached such a debt with drug dealers, that he had arranged for her to be kidnapped and trafficked.

I just can't imagine! Poor Amanda and her family.

Brother must've ran up some debt.

Sounds like her brother had something to do with her disappearance.

Abducted? Forced off road and taken?

Interesting!! I dont like when people just go ghost.... Like- What the hell happened to her? Good video!!

Calls dropping out or been disconnected even when there's full reception isn't unusual. It happens to me alot especially if I'm the one who made the call. It can also be dependent on the phone as. It can also have to do with how many other people are accessing the network at the same time.

@roh5876

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, or battery could have died.

@TheMattTrakker

2 жыл бұрын

this was also 2007, cell technology was not nearly as good. Having dropped calls was not uncommon.

Brian thanks for another great video !!!

Maybe he owed the dealer’s money so they took her. Human trafficking is big in California

I am with you seems brother has a hand in things. I love your work and posts Bryan. Thanks so much for all your hard work 🙂

This was a case that was on "disappeared " a show that was on tv years ago. As of late they do repeats on Investigation discover channel. You are spot on with what the program said. Thank you for your commpassion.

How come the cops didn't spray luminol inside the brother house for any blood on the floor and walls?😐

She was such a beautiful young lady. Bless her soul.

Thanks Bryan, prayers for the family & friends

I feel so sorry for this woman’s family depending on the corrupt, worthless Oakland Police Dept. Her family might want to make sure the OPD didn’t have a hand in it, before asking them for help. I truly hope she’s found safe & sound.

So sad , my prayers go out to all her freinds and those whom loved her.

Would love if you did one on my friend Eric sears mostly to talk about doing psychedelics in the backcountry is a bad idea

@ryanfritts1574

2 жыл бұрын

Joshua tree such a sacred place for me

Oh my Goodness. Taking drugs is a dark road. Personal and professional experience. Reasoning and logic has nothing to do with it. If they don't have a hit or not high they are the worst people to be around. Will have a breakdown if toast is not cooked the way they wanted. Seen them run onto road with speeding traffic and not looking left or right....scary to actually witness.

I don’t have a good feeling about the brother. I think he knows what happened to Mandy.

I use to live in Alameda near Oakland. We all avoided Oakland becaude it is a dangerous place.

In the early years of my sister having schizophrenia, she would park her car in places that got it towed. She would be driving along seeing wild animals running along the road chasing her. African styled big animals like giraffes, elephants, or rhinos. She was very scared in her hallucinations and would tell me how they would hide along side the freeway watching for her.. She would just stop in the middle of the road and leave the car where it was.

Yes. When detoxing from alcohol one can not use products that contain alcohol.

Why couldn't the police get a warrant to enter the apartment? Being put on Antabuse, tells a story. Add drugs, plus grief, and other problems. But the car not being snatched up and driven away, is a shock. Oakland?? Sorry for her and the family.

What did they find in the apartment. Also, why did it take so long to search the apartment ?

It's been 15 years wow Sin c e this happened and nothing yet wow

This is a really really sad story. I feel for her. 😢

If you hang out with bad people long enough, their problems become your problems.

Very strange indeed. Sex trafficking...or Sold into it, potentially by the addict brother? I feel for the mom & bf...not the sibs, they should have helped...just my thoughts

@kathy888

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, pretty girl, brother with his drugee friends, she was leaving herself open to God knows what. Stay away from drugees.

I'd suggest to check out the marinas and around the two bridges.. on the day she went missing one can research tides and such. Also human trafficking is prevalent all over and could be a strong possibility too. Sorry to hear this news. God help this family....

I remember this story from a long long time ago! Still missing sad …

Unfortunately this sounds very much like a suicide

Really sad. Life is so hard for young people in this country, with all the drugs that are here, and still coming. It does not help anything!!!!

🙏

Maybe the car died & she couldn't pull ovr properly, but yeah , she wasn't meaning to leave the car too long, if this happened in the morning &was only 9 minutes away why didn't anyone c this happen?? Seems like she got outta the car to score & they dragged her in their car, or maybe its a typical 411 where this has happend numerous times, especially to loan young woman, this sounds like abduction absolute 💯.....

@jerrydrouillard

2 жыл бұрын

I've had to leave a broken down car. I never left my wallet, ID, and anything valuable in the car. Also Bryan says the car was left running. Thst means it stalled after she disappeared.

❤️ great content & informative video! May God be with her family during this tragic situation.

Did they search the parks?

Thanks!

@0kh0b07

2 жыл бұрын

hey

Oakland is a dangerous city. Just sayin'.

@harrisonmantooth3647

2 жыл бұрын

Dovie Ruth Author ; 👍, you're correct, 💯%. I worked in and around Oakland for many years. True, there are some nice but, expensive areas there. For the most part though, if you drive down many of the streets, you'd better have your windows rolled up, your doors lock and, your foot close to the accelerator. It's that bad. We used to have Hookers come into our shop on the evening shifts trying to hustle up some business. I remember when there was a homicide right across from our shop. I'm speaking about High St. and, Coliseum area.

The brother!😢

I think it her brother was charged for her murder in the end.

I don't think she left the Apartment.

Very strange. I would think the Brother had to be involved

Something just doesn’t sound right about the brother’s behavior. Just doesn’t set right with me.

Ja, I believe her brother was involved in her disappearance. If he was’nt involved, he would have hidden his drugs and opened up the apartment for the investigators. He would have assisted in the seach for his sister. I believe he drove her car 9 miles to dump it and make it look liked she ababdoned her car.

The car looks like it was dumped (possibly after the fact) could the brother have killed her during the big row? Or was she seen since then? Thanks

Thank u Bryan for your thoughtfulness in these cases! Prayers that Mandy will be found🙏 Prayers and hugs to her family 🙏❤️

It seems a complicated case !!!!

@reesedaniel5835

2 жыл бұрын

No it doesn't. Bubba did it.

i work with mandy’s mother. a woman in mexico is claiming to have the name Amanda Stokes, and does resemble mandy although it’s been 20 years so clearly she’s aged and changed a lot

What if someone was hiding in her back seat . Or A carjacking

She could’ve taking something and she had a bad reaction to it and died🥺Then they didn’t want the police in the apartment, they took her car and her personal items and left it there so it wouldn’t be at their place🥺

I know this is old but I just listened to it. I think her brother's story is weak. If they had such a bad fight before she left she likely wouldn't have told him she was leaving - she would have just left. I think he may have chased her down or followed her. I think she was dragged out of her car at a stop or turn and taken somewhere else - probably close by. They will probably eventually find her remains, but I feel her brother had something to do with this. It's also suspicious that the family cleaned the place out before the police were able to gain access. But you see this with families who are protecting other family members. They lost one and they don't want to lose another even though the person had been responsible. We had a case like this here in our area where a brother killed his sister and the family covered for him. Eventually he was found guilty, but....... it was a long slog before they were able to get to that decision.

There are at least a few angles here that warrant more investigation, but I do have to say - there are parts of Oakland where you mind your own business and don't see anything. Used to live there. Overall it's a great city, but it has some rough patches, like all big cities do.

My comment isn't about this video. However there is a crime commited in eastern oregon that I really wish you could cover on your videos. It concerns Liysa Northon, who killed her husband ( a pilot) on a camping trip at Wallowa Lake in Oregon.i just wish Bryan that you could look into the case. Thank you.

And I think her brother and sister had something to do with it

What's did her boyfriend say they where talking about and how did it end

Quite stressful owing your dealer, having her, or him, turn up while your talking to your boyfriend.

I think if you just stood on her brother's throat somewhere around 1 minute and 45 second mark he would tell you where sisters body is at

Very clearly her brother knows more than he is telling. Most likely, he is the one who made her disappear. They have this BIG fight. He is a crack head. Anger could easily arise in such a person. She goes for a drive right after. Her car is abandoned. She disappears and he is VERY reluctant to help out?? Yet he blames it on his drug issue. BS. This guy took her life. Sad. He will pay in the end, right?

That thought came to my mind as well about getting pulled over by law or imposing as the law what time if day was it ya think the car was discovered on the side of the road?

Sounds like someone else was in the car, cut off the call, told her pull over- get out etc.

Hey so the neighbour's heard em fighting. Maybe I missed it but could they hear what they were fighting about ??? Sad her own brother couldn't be a better person. Shameless

Sounds like a kidnapping and it does happen alot more than people think...

A dropped call is a very different type of even from a mobile terminated call due to it being turned off. Unless it was the type of phone where you can literally yank out the battery (super rare nowadays). Weird the cops said that.

She may have been recklessly driving and cut someone off who caught up to her, made her stop and kidnapped her...somebody who happened to have a short temper.

Definitely the brother

Wait a sec. They had a fight and then she left? That alone is pretty suspicious.

In NY a woman was raped on a subway platform during rush hour, so waiting for people in a big city to help or say something to police is rare. Especially if you are in an area where the cartels rule.

What was the argument about? In order to leave her car running etc she knew who stopped her and she either was forced out of her car or willingly left it, probably her brother that is to blame, she's buried in the desert somewhere.

She went to score after having an argument with her brother, got out, maybe went into the car with the person she was buying from, either an altercation happened or he planned to kidnap her the whole time

She was believed to be suicidal and the car was parked near a ravine. The simplest solutions are often the most likely.

Who says brb after a fight?