In an era of tunnelvision, it's very refreshing to see a journalist like Mr Fang & Hughes who analyze all parties equally.

Very refreshing interview with Lee Fang, who is clearly a principled journalist and highly nuanced thinker. He puts legacy journalists to shame.

Lee Fang is a great reporter, I've been following his work for many years. Kudos for having him on your show.

@markeggins890

9 ай бұрын

Yeah he is great, follows the facts not ideology.

Great conservation. We need to hear such calm and thoughtful conservations.

I get the feeling our political differences are many, but what a breath of fresh air Lee Fang is! Maybe there is some hope for the US media, after all. Thoroughly enjoyable interview.

Excellent interview. You asked great questions, Coleman. Thank you for sharing.

Lee Fang is great. Coleman if you read this please consider doing an episode with a philosopher and talk about the meaning of life, purpose, happiness etc etc.

Great guest, follows the facts not ideology. I hope he has a podcast one day to go with his Substack.

It's getting difficult to find honest journalists. Thanks Mr. Hughes

"whether you agree or not with this dynamic, what's fascinating are the political tactics used to destroy it." This man is right on. This is the type of investigative journalism I grew up with and taught me to be skeptical. Incredible guest showing, an absolute must watch. 1:04:54

Every professional burns bridges when they display legit integrity.

This was a great discussion, thank you👍

Really glad you're getting Lee Fang on the podcast. If anyone is interested he had a good interview with Razib Khan too.

@markeggins890

9 ай бұрын

And Andrew Sullivan.

Great interview, gonna check out Lee's other stuff

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Great interview. Really appreciated you covering the issue of ag-gag. These laws not only enable animal abuse and hide health concerns but will lead to the silencing of whistleblowers in all industries.

Helpful interview!

This is the third conversation I have heard with Lee Fang - and certainly the deepest. This guy is very bright, and RIGHT on top of his chosen beat. I would venture to suggest that he will become a very important and consequential voice in the future. At first I will admit to being a little uneasy about his original deep-left leanings ….. but even Thomas Sowell was originally a Marxist - so I can hardly hold that against Lee …. and he has certainly now expanded and refined his horizons over time. One of your very best exchanges of late, Coleman - thank you.

@kimj5037

9 ай бұрын

I love that story from Thomas Sowell. All it took was one short stint of working for the government to show him how flawed Marxism was, lol.

@mikegray8776

9 ай бұрын

@@kimj5037 😆😆. Deeply ironic - but true!!

@scerb100

9 ай бұрын

Lee isn’t a disavowed leftist turned conservative though, he still believes in much of the tenants, he just doesn’t agree with a lot of the current iteration of social identity framing which there are many leftists that do.

@markeggins890

9 ай бұрын

@@scerb100 That's right, he still believes class can be the most important factor in life chances, not identity - I think he is right, note the most woke are almost always upper middle class.

Best discussion I've listened to in a long, long time.

AgGag is deeply under discussed in this country due to this fact that no one wants to have those conversations. Which despite animal cruelty and exploitation also has a large element of human exploitation as well. It’s still such an underdiscussed issue because people just respond with bUt BaCoN tho and can’t have an intelligent conversation around the philosophy of this and corporate/economic system around animals and their use in agriculture, entertainment and labs. Everyone’s an online intellectual and wants nuance and discourse until that topic comes along to be easily dismissed in the language of a 12 year old.

I’ve worked for large companies where executives are super woke and actually believe. It often doesn’t have anything to do with profits. They believe in social justice, they want to be on the right side of history and use their platforms to trumpet concepts they’ve picked up without thinking through. Often they feel guilty for being in positions of power for large organizations.

@troy3456789

9 ай бұрын

It's the "ivory tower" they live in, and lack of free will is very powerful (most powerful in those that believe they and everyone else has it). CEOs are not known for being uncertain about anything; least of all political or ideologies. I am a bit surprised that they are not going along simply for the ESG scores they get, which lowers their taxes and gets them government subsidies. They will do anything for a tax break and subsidies. ESG is now very powerful motivator in the world of wokism. It's a lot of money, and we are all paying for it whether we want to or not.

@troy3456789

9 ай бұрын

@13:45 The government [this current government power] is using the oldest technique known to man: divide and conquer. He just erected a national monument to Emmett Till *today,* July 25, 2023, and the throngs of ideologues cheering this on is breathtaking.

Hey, Coleman, you would’ve heard about MALinformation months ago had you listened to Bret Weinstein, who discussed the dangers of mis/dis/mal/information. Sam Harris was wrong abt most everything to do with covid, bret was right. Please don’t let your admiration for harris interfere w your critical thinking skills

99 views after 7 hours.. jeebus. How is this not getting out?

@brianmeen2158

9 ай бұрын

I’m equally curious. I try to do my Part in liking and commenting for the algo . It does seem certain channels seem semi-blocked from the mainstream flow . Plus how is it Coleman only has 140k subs?

@troy3456789

9 ай бұрын

@@brianmeen2158 We are all just conspiracy theorists about twitter, mainstream media, *KZread,* the election, the left, Biden Inc the crime family. Small in number, and giggled at in the same way they'd laugh at Alex Jones. 🥱

@markeggins890

9 ай бұрын

This also goes on on podcast providers, think that would have the biggest audience.

@troy3456789

9 ай бұрын

@@markeggins890 ahh, that makes sense. I'm a freeloader.

Great interview. I'd say try to inject a bit more energy and liveliness into the back and forth. If not, I'd recommend going right for the subject matter. The lead up to directly address the deep state was a slow roll. Not without value, but also not enticing enough to keep a lot of viewers. As the host, you embody the listener show us the interest and intrigue in your guest.

PS. I love you Colmen xoxoxo 💘

@troy3456789

9 ай бұрын

Coleman is not alone. He's a thinker, and the left will just keep him in the shadows as a result of his skin color.

@brianmeen2158

9 ай бұрын

@@troy3456789 yeah I can’t picture the radical left wanting to bring Coleman’s name up .

@troy3456789

9 ай бұрын

@@brianmeen2158 How many refugees from Venezuela or Cuba do you see out protesting or acting as a voice for free medical care, or free education, or climate change? Yes, the US picked up roughly 7,000 Venezuelan doctors as a result. We also get a high number of doctors and dentists from Vietnam, as doctors in Vietnam make the exact same as real estate agents there.

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📍50:20

Love Lee Fang. However, re: public speaking: he should really watch out and try to calm down his "your knows".

@FervAnimalLover

9 ай бұрын

That's not his expertise... He's a reporter and doesn't have to be an artful "speaker"

Apropos stage setting for this content, heh

Michael Shellenberger doesn’t get enough press.

So, I can see that the idea that there is any point of negotiation around concession for Ukraine is coming from a place of heterodox skepticism, However, it is blind to the basic morality of the conflict. Swap Ukraine for Poland, and Russia for Germany in 1939. How much should the Pols concede? In another analogy, imagine that a criminal who lives in the apartment next door has invaded your home and taken over your kitchen and living room and has killed one of your family members. Law enforcement is willing to supply you with body armor, weapons and ammunition to expel the intruder, but won't intercede otherwise. Now, imagine that other people in the building are saying that since their tax dollars are going to pay for the weapons and ammunition, they want you to be open to conceding at least your kitchen to the intruder before they're willing to give you more bullets. Can you really stand behind such logic? This is a serious moral question for global policy. Conceding anything is morally indefensible.

Its funny - this guy is explaining the hackers mindset. he would have probably made a great programmer too. Gad he is a journalist. There are so few real ones.

Typo in the opening clip. Coming only has one M.

@troy3456789

9 ай бұрын

I hung on that too. I cannot understand it. Perhaps it was intentional? for some reason we are unaware.

this guy does not look 36 lol he looks 20

On corporate wokeness: C suite executives (and management in general) are college-educated. Colleges are run by activists who set the curriculum. The curriculum is slanted, the students soak it in and come out slanted as well, then they move to the corporate world and bring their ideologies with them. Doesn't seem very difficult to suss out. I started an online course in business management. 1.1 was environmentalism. 1.2 was sustainability. 1.3 was stakeholder accountability and I just stopped the course there. The job of a company is to make money. That is not just the first, but only responsibility of a company. Preventing the company from murdering us all in our sleep in pursuit of that profit is the job of the state. Now whether or not the state is doing a good job is a debate worth having, but the basic principles are incontestable. In any case, C suite doesn't mean smartest, in fact, they're usually not because drive and certainty are more important to success than mental agility. So you have a bunch of people who've marinated in "stakeholder accountability" and of course they bring that with them to the corporate world.

@MelGibsonFan

9 ай бұрын

You started a course but because it didn’t confirm what you came into the course already believing you decided to drop it. This is a funny way to admit you’d rather hold on to your own dogma than let it be challenged.

@michaeltorrisi7289

9 ай бұрын

@emc477 if you sign up for a medical course and 1.1 is "how prayer cures cancer", you can probably tell that it's a bunk course.

@MelGibsonFan

9 ай бұрын

@@michaeltorrisi7289 I think that’s a faulty analogy if you don’t mind me saying. It feels like conflating something ethics with religious superstition. If your idea is that making money is “not just the first but the only responsibility”, I think that was an ideological imposition at one point too, taught through academia then spread into the real world and policy. Much the same way a lot of the DEI weirdness is working itself into corporate America.

@michaeltorrisi7289

9 ай бұрын

@emc477 profit motive is not an ideological imposition, it's a description of a natural progression. Kind of like evolution. We tend to kind of anthopromize the term, but it's just a description of a process. As a basic thought experiment, if you have 2 companies selling the same product at the same price with the same amount of market share, but one of those companies pays their employees less, that company will generate more profits which they can leverage into better economies of scale (further increasing profits) or stronger marketing (improving market share) or research into additional products (improving profitability and resiliency to demand trends). Unchecked, eventually, the more predatory company will put the less predatory company out of business. In the real world, there are a lot of factors that go into the process, but I'm just trying to illustrate the inevitability of the whole thing. So the job of the state is to set boundaries for companies to sort of level the playing field for entities that aren't wholly psychopathic (since the "unrestrained free market" paradigm is not in line with social interests). There are a number of fatal flaws with stakeholder capitalism, not the least being that relying on the wolves to voluntarily limit their intake of sheep is foolish in the extreme. We've already seen ESG hacking. That aside, teaching new businessmen to ignore fundamental realities of market dynamics leads to a broken market system and that's not in society's best interest either. So I don't think it's an unfair analogy, because we're not talking ethical implications, we're talking about the process by which things happen, and just as prayer doesn't lead to curing cancer, ESG doesn't lead to more competitive business. At least, long term. You can exert pressure on the system to make it profitable in the short term, which is what large investors like Blackrock are doing by providing up-front capital to companies with high ESG scores. They're giving those companies a head start and that could enact the ethical change they want if it wasn't for the fact that the fundamentals are trash and eventually, more focused businesses will overtake that initial advantage. You see it with ideologically motivated companies where they'll succeed for a while on investor money, but eventually diminished sales tank the company's value.

52:25 Nah, totally acceptable

Why on earth should Ukraine give up something? And how did that go when you insisted Israel gave something up? How's that looking?

Excellent conversation. Just leave the Uber Drivers alone. For the most part they want the freedom to work when they want and how they want.

They dont need a warrant. You are just lying.

Man, had to get 37 minutes into the convo to dispel the clickbaity title. But I get it, marketing is a necessary evil. Cheers.

12:48... So if people broke the law you think they shouldnt be charged. What an interesting and thoughtful take.

and all of a sudden, the defund the police crowd was quiet as moles. millitary tribunals... millitary tribunals... millitary tribunals..

@brianmeen2158

9 ай бұрын

I noticed just how quickly the “defund the police” crowd now likes us to not bring up that they did support and promote this narrative for a few years. They also don’t like when we bring up the 2020 riots

What is Lee talking about? In the international press we hear from Ukrainian voices all the time and the general consensus among the majority seems to be that they don’t want to concede to Russia.

@troy3456789

9 ай бұрын

The general consensus from carefully selected voices; just like climate change and the horrors of white people in general.

@Khayyam-vg9fw

7 ай бұрын

And the "international press" is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Deep State and only exists to trumpet Regime-approved propaganda.

Lee forgets that the goal was to destroy Trump BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE (so I guess that means legal or illegal)

Coleman Hughs is officially awakened, and he has been for a very very long time. I kind of feel sorry for sheep wokies. They think they're making their own decisions and have their own worldview, with little room for uncertainty.

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