What's your take on Blue Clay? I vote we bring back some new wacky surface color for 2021!

@BenosTDG

3 жыл бұрын

I might be misunderstanding but doesn't the failure of this blue clay really come down to poor drainage and wacky weather in the end? If they didn't play a part, couldn't it in theory have played the same as red clay (apart from the salt factor)?

@letscooksummsumm6202

3 жыл бұрын

@@BenosTDG I was thinking the same thing. Strip away those factors and blue clay would probably have given the players the same experience. I think change is a hard thing to accept in tennis, imo

@cachi-7878

3 жыл бұрын

Changing the court from green to blue to increase the contrast with the ball made sense in the case of hard courts. I didn’t quite understand why Tiriac would do the same with clay. You forgot to mention balls used to be white and being able to see a white ball on green surface was no harder than seeing a white ball on red clay. Why not go back to white balls instead?

@JiraiyaSama86

3 жыл бұрын

Only acceptable as long as the surface is not only safe enough, but also conditions are similar enough to the Slam it builds towards. It would make more sense to have such a modified slippery surface right before Wimbledon rather than French Open. Overall, safety is the number one priority.

@JiraiyaSama86

3 жыл бұрын

@@cachi-7878 changing the color of the ball actually makes a lot more sense in this case. Since the surface for clay is somewhat of an orange red color, the best contrast would be somewhere between blue and green. White also makes sense. Whether that would visually appeal to viewers is a different story.

So let me get this straight: the court had poor drainage and particularly bad rain followed by hot sun which baked the clay, then they tried to use salt to get rid of the moisture, and that became a slippery surface on top of the clay... and people think it was because the clay was blue?

@ghost-fs7th

3 жыл бұрын

blue = water = wet/slippery yes, people really are that dumb. red = hot = dry. so they think red is superior...

@litkeys3497

3 жыл бұрын

The salt had to be used because if it wasn't, the color would've washed out. That's the problem, not the color as such.

@PastelPiku

3 жыл бұрын

Right I was thinking the same thing, and changes had to be made to the material as well, so it wasn't even technically the same material to begin with.

@ComandanteJ

3 жыл бұрын

Did you watch the video?

@CapJackson

3 жыл бұрын

@@ComandanteJ It wasn't clear, dude. Even if he watched the whole thing.

I don’t even play tennis, but this appeared in my recommended for some reason, I still watched it...

@MisterX867

3 жыл бұрын

Same. I've never even searched for Tennis on KZread in my life.

@Young_Dab

3 жыл бұрын

I clicked because the thumbnail really intrigued me

@GalluZ

3 жыл бұрын

My late dad is a tennis player himself and he often watches tennis matches on TV. I remember how he comments about Federer's over-the-top screams and celebrations. Ngl I feel like I'm being watched now.

@ryan-yg7xy

3 жыл бұрын

lmfao same

@entropyss

3 жыл бұрын

even if you did youtube wouldnt kno- wait its owned by google, nvm they most likely would yh crazy coincidence for you

Seems to me that if they had flooding and insane heat, regular clay would have similar issues.

@gagamba9198

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. The drainage system appears to be the real culprit, but that's under the blue clay... and don't have video of that.

@davemiller6055

2 жыл бұрын

@Bender Bending Rodriguez The salt was used to draw away moisture and preserve the color WHICH HAPPENED TO BE BLUE. Would have been the same with red.

@ColorHawk_

2 жыл бұрын

@Bender Bending Rodriguez the clay can most definitely lose its color overtime. whiles its probably slower than the died blue clay the iron oxide would still be washed away overtime all the same

@g2fiora

2 жыл бұрын

The blue colorant was the culprit there, but I assume with more research and engineering using modern technology, it could be made to be almost exactly identical to regular clay.

@Paul-pj5qu

2 жыл бұрын

@@davemiller6055 I'm not sure about that because the colorant for blue Clay is different from iron oxide which is already built into the bricks that the clay is made from. But just because they used salt that year, doesn't mean there wasn't another way to keep that clay dry that wouldn't have made the surface slippery.

After all that, I’ve come to the conclusion there was nothing wrong with blue clay. It was the crap sub surface and drainage, and the stupid idea of chucking salt on it to help dry it.

@athingwhichexists

2 жыл бұрын

got to laugh at them banning it, its like banning red painted walls because the first time they tried painting a wall red the building collapsed because the concrete was poorly constructed and an earthquake hit.

@Icagel0

2 жыл бұрын

I mean with red clay they wouldn't even have had the need to salt it, just wait without the fear of the pigment washing off. Also it's much more easily available and cheaper so it's really just a gimmick change that didn't pan out.

@yorkshirepud5340

2 жыл бұрын

So I just watched a tenis match in Australia 2022 that had blue clay (Ashleigh Barty v Amanda Anisimova) so I guess this video is wrong anyway

@R3N9R

2 жыл бұрын

@@yorkshirepud5340 That´s not clay... that is regular hard court.

@rmqm

2 жыл бұрын

it sounds like what they should have baned was putting salt on a clay court

I mean... it actually sounds like a perfectly good idea... same playing properties (in theory) and easier to watch. Sounds like the extreme heatwave, poor drainage, and salt application were the real downfall.

@CULTTENNIS

3 жыл бұрын

yes we have to bring it back!

@FastFink

3 жыл бұрын

@@CULTTENNIS You didn't really mention that in the video tho... You spoke about how all the players were complaining but you didn't ever say that the blue clay was a fine substitute for regular clay. I think everybody inferred what @WE ARE TEMPORARY said, but you never say in the video that poor circumstance is the only reason blue clay isn't currently used

@kierran5021

3 жыл бұрын

Andrew Fink the actual construction and the weather ‘ruined’ the tournament and then some players decided to throw their dummies out of the pram. A poor court not poor clay made it a bit of a struggle. Imo this wasn’t a balanced analysis of the issues at all.

@matthewsmith8015

3 жыл бұрын

Reah everything seems to be chalked up to the clay when really the only explanation given was weather and court construction.

@andresruiz2207

3 жыл бұрын

I think that you are underestimating the importance of color in a surface which is exposed to the sun for several hours. I don't know for sure what exactly caused the differences between the blue and normal clay, but color shouldn't be Tamed for granted. It would be interesting to see some kind of tests between them tho

Grass doesn't become orange? Clearly they haven't seen my lawn during the summer time LoL 😂

@craig170

3 жыл бұрын

Haha nice one

@joycheers

3 жыл бұрын

That was hilarious!!! Mine lawn too during summer.. 🤣

@johnathonhaikilla5109

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha they have lawncare they don’t know about it lol

@stevennorris7181

3 жыл бұрын

I like to keep mine soft and green for the summer orgies.

@luismora9121

3 жыл бұрын

You guys have lawns?

I don’t play tennis and have no idea why YT recommended this but great job in making it interesting cause I had a great time learning about poorly drained clay being shaft because of its color.

@CosyMatt

2 жыл бұрын

Same I think it’s funny a whole bunch of people who know next to nothing about tennis me included now have a strong opinion on blue clay 😂 can’t wait to run into some tennis fanatic who hates blue clay.

By the sound of it, it wasn't an issue with the actual blue clay, but with the weather, the court, and the methods used to maintain the court in said weather. Someone please bring blue clay back!

@Crispy1961

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I dont see any issue. Different players had different success on different surface. It is still the same for everyone so sucks for you if you cant adapt.

@zemzuta7887

2 жыл бұрын

They used salt to stop the dye from being washed out which caused it to become slippery. The rust which makes the red cant be washed out so you never need to salt on a red clay court.

@comicaltuber

2 жыл бұрын

@@zemzuta7887 The salt was also used to keep moisture away. If red clay had endured the same weather conditions, would they not have used salt then?

@totetoresano

2 жыл бұрын

@@comicaltuber Probably not, they still play with the same drainage and the clay has not been a problem ever since they changed it back.

Federer, the undisputed king of Blue Clay

@wilydingus

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahh. Great comment

@kbroph10

3 жыл бұрын

Forever!!! :)

@CULTTENNIS

3 жыл бұрын

Has a nice ring to it :)

@d0s25

3 жыл бұрын

Fed doesn't even care the color. He proved who the winner is in the totally new sit. Fed, the true GOAT not just a king of any specific court surface.

@djuradjukic1911

3 жыл бұрын

d0s25 Both Nadal and Djokovic are better than him

Tennis Players: "I hate blue clay. It gets hard and rough and you slip everywhere."

@macmcleod1188

3 жыл бұрын

That joke seems a little Forced.

@MattMorency

3 жыл бұрын

Red clay is clearly the High Ground.

@rossboedy8456

3 жыл бұрын

you wanna buy some blue clay?!? you dont want to sell me blue clay... i dont wanna sell you blue clay you want to go home and rethink your vanity project

@starman3533

3 жыл бұрын

Fuckin genius

@michaelscott1685

3 жыл бұрын

that's what she said

Man, you're an awesome tennis historian. I played back in the day, even though I don't follow tennis as much as I used to, its fun to hear from people like you. Adding in humor makes it so much better. I've binged your videos right now, with this being my 3rd.

I remember seeing highlights of the 2012. Madrid open on ESPN. That’s what opened me open to events outside of the grand slams. Up to that point I had no idea they had a full season of other tournaments. That Blue Clay made me really wanna see more tournaments and that’s what got me to follow the sport closer

I don't even watch tennis but this got recommended randomly so here's a like

@devon7108

3 жыл бұрын

Right. Lmao

@JoeKyser

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

@justicar5

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@Hufftwoseven

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@Dmorris96

3 жыл бұрын

Same

The color actually had nothing to do with it, it just was the weather and poor maintenence

@Butcho22

3 жыл бұрын

the removal of the iron oxide likely played a factor as well

@lorenzweber3131

3 жыл бұрын

@@Butcho22 no

@haydenjohnson6833

3 жыл бұрын

pulsar_ not at all

@KakoriGames

3 жыл бұрын

@@Butcho22 Based on absolutely zero evidence. If we're going to blame the blue clay, we should at the very least do some test instead of listening to players that began to complaining even before the tournament started. Pretty close minded of them, if you ask me.

@ShannonMcCraryH

3 жыл бұрын

@Cuck cloo That is not what he said, the salt was in an effort to reduce moisture, it had nothing to do with the color of the clay.

I met mr. Tiriac quite a few times-wow he is intimidating when you first meet him- just the way he speaks and holds himself..but he is truly a kind man

Through all these years, no one has thought of or experiented with changing the color of tennis balls to make it a better contrast to the red clay courts that players prefer? What about experienting with dyes & other additives to red clay that doesn't involve the expensive bleaching process?

@adamallcorn8762

2 жыл бұрын

...oh yeah

@amysand5400

11 ай бұрын

As a tennis player, the neon yellow is the best for seeing the ball. It would be a hard and annoying adjustment for it to be any other color. And I find it hard to think of another color that is as striking as the neon yellow

It sounds like blue clay was only tried once, ,disdained immediately by some top players for purely aesthetic reasons, and had its first attempt spoiled by other variables, such as weather, drainage, and salt.

@joehernandez9563

2 жыл бұрын

It's also a solution in search of a problem. Changing from green to blue improved the viewing experience. But clay already contrasts well, there was no reason to change it other than a gimmick.

@haoye2413

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't look into it, just getting information from the video. It sounds like color wasn't the issue. It was the salt, but they only used the salt for it because they wanted to protect the color. If it was normal red clay, they don't need to salt it. Ultimately the process of preserving the color gave certain type of players a lot more advantage. If red clay without the salt, giving that much advantage, it would resulting clay surface entirely ban. I do think, they should try to give the blue clay a chance in a indoor facility (I am not sure if indoor uses clay)

@brahtrumpwonbigly7309

2 жыл бұрын

@@joehernandez9563 Except that it didn't contrast as well as blue did. Your comment is a designation searching for an uncatagorized situation.

@sspilex

2 жыл бұрын

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 the normal red clay did contrast well

@jf8138

2 жыл бұрын

@@joehernandez9563 So? What the hell, its a color. If it looks different, who cares, besides ass holes? This is a joke and tennis should be embarrassed by it.

Blue clay objectively looks better. Great contrast between ball and court. It’s a shame that factors totally unrelated to color got it banned...

@ivanasukjadic1423

2 жыл бұрын

They could always change the color of the ball

@Pet_Hedgehog

2 жыл бұрын

it just seems like an unecessary problem

@JTD472

2 жыл бұрын

“Objectively looks better” Hilarious

@iankuchera8345

2 жыл бұрын

Naw you trippin

@666hobart

2 жыл бұрын

@JohnnyBlackRants You sound like any typical pool player, but then the best pool player I ever met was a pro tennis player before he left Highschool. He's pretty despicable.

Very nice video editing! It's a beautiful video, honestly.

Bravo its people like him who push forward new ideas. Could have worked but it didnt. More people like him please

So: faced with a texture problem, ATP bans a color. That's some 4D tennis right there.

@baconboi4482

3 жыл бұрын

When clay was not used properly, but the color was banned

@JackDesert

3 жыл бұрын

it was banned because how hard it was to keep the color uniform after a hard rain. The rust color is baked in, so it stays uniform. The blue was (according to a documentary outside this video) top coated and Not Baked in. So they had to oversalt the court to keep the color from washing away. Then the sun baked the slurry and the salt became little impregnated rollers in the clay. It's less the color and the extreme lengths needed to keep that color put and even then it failed as you can see the dye on the uniforms of the players after a few matches on it. If they had access to Blue Bricks to crush, then the color would have been less a hassle to keep in the clay since the clay itself would be blue through out. But I'm only going with information from that documentary that shown how the clay was made step by step and the problems arising from it.

@Py687

3 жыл бұрын

@@JackDesert I wish this was more explicitly stated in the video, he glossed over it and basically made it sound like people just didn't like blue clay for its color.

@psyclops973

3 жыл бұрын

The problem wasn't the color itself. It's the fact that, since blue clay doesn't occur naturally and needs to be dyed, rain and watering will wash away the color over time, so you need to take measures to prevent certains parts of a blue clay court from gradually becoming white, and this will inevitably change the composition of the surface. That's what happened in Madrid. In the US, green clay courts are quite popular. It doesn't need to be dyed since green clay is not actually "clay" but a greenish type of naturally occuring basalt, which is already slightly harder and thus, slightly faster than traditional red clay. But the difference isn't big enough to force players to radically change their playstyle, just requires some practice to adapt. With all the measures needed to prevent dyed blue clay from losing its color, under harsh weather conditions the surface becomes a lot harder and faster than even the hardest green clay courts and at the same time becomes a lot more slippery than a clay court usually is. This fundamentally changes how clay tennis is played, which is something that nobody really wants.

@htf5555

3 жыл бұрын

then some idiot accuses others of being smooth brained and not doing research. hypocrite lmao

When you think about it, it’s cool how this blue clay caused a meta shift for the game 🤔

@sabin97

3 жыл бұрын

i think it was more like the equivalent of the nba playing on a wet court......

@BRUXXUS

3 жыл бұрын

That's kind of what I was thinking. A way to see how adaptive and resilient a player is.

@mrartdeco

3 жыл бұрын

Should change the meta shift intentionally by moving on red clay and blue clay court by random every game

@mangekyuby7940

3 жыл бұрын

Of course Federer won that tournament, he's the most smart and adaptive tennis player

@possesedcake5422

3 жыл бұрын

@@mangekyuby7940 well no it’s because the salt used to keep it blue during rain solidified and turned to almost a hard court slippery court which help Federer’s game a lot, now does it sound like a fun surface yes but not for Madrid

Great video!

Great video, very well done 👍🏻

If the issue was not being able to see the balks on green courts, Why not just change the color of the balls? Seems like a cheaper and more sensible alternative.

@Crick1952

3 жыл бұрын

Thinking the same. Red balls on a green surface would be the best contrast

@4ltrz555

3 жыл бұрын

@@Crick1952 not for me lol

@silverhusky7993

3 жыл бұрын

Tennis players probably won't stand the move, since they've trained their eyes to follow the yellow ball.

@TheRealRusDaddy

3 жыл бұрын

@@Crick1952 thats racist towards a specific kind of color blind people and all dogs

@TheRealAmusableBman

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing it has to do with the player's perspective. Changing the ball color might make it easier to follow on a top-down camera, but harder for the players to follow from their POV. No clue, though, that's just a guess.

"how much time you got?" He asks, more than halfway into the video.

@Zeuts85

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he could cut the bio on Tiriac down to 1/10th of what it is and I don't think anyone would complain.

@justadummy8076

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah there’s literally only 3m45s left, so yeah not long

@LPSilki93

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zeuts85 Thfiriac*

@TeaganTurner

3 жыл бұрын

How much time you got? *Looks at timeline* oh I’d say about 2 minutes lol

@chriscze6153

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zeuts85 I didn't mind learning about Tiriac, he put in his research so why not?

Man, what a montage you've done👏👏

Very interesting video!

This is Federer's best title in his career. He was the only guy that wasn't bitching about the surface and just played as usual lmao

@RodrigoroRex

3 жыл бұрын

Federer just wants to play at this point

@akshaymathur5665

3 жыл бұрын

@MUFC There are only 194 countries on this planet (so no, soccer isn't massive in over 240 countries). It is still the most popular sport. Next after that is cricket (by number of people watching and playing).

@Swesher9

3 жыл бұрын

@MUFC Literally no one fucking asked

@kevinrodriguez2889

3 жыл бұрын

@MUFC first of all it’s called football. and football fans like you make us fans look bad when it comes to subjects on other sports, just fucking zip your mouth and keep watching your trash ass mufc

@user-oz2ws8dh9s

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinrodriguez2889 its called both soccer and football my guy. But I agree lol ManU trash

"Blue clay is exactly the same as red clay but blue" Smooth-brain Tennis players: "Blue clay bad red clay good"

@Vingul

3 жыл бұрын

"Exactly the same" yet doesn't have the same chemical composition. Strange that.

@robertt9342

3 жыл бұрын

@Vingul . The problems the players had could have happened with red clay, namely the salt crystallization and weather hard packing the surface. The colour dye vs the red oxide had no bearing on the court performance, it was Just a colour they were used to.

@TheByard

3 жыл бұрын

London is built on Blue Clay, great to tunnel through. Don't know if it's any good for bashing balls around on though. PS: Though called blue it's more of a dark grey colour.

@fakename287

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vingul found the smoothbrain lol

@Vingul

3 жыл бұрын

@@fakename287 xD xD grugbrains of the world unite bro dude xD

Apart from the toughness of playing on blue clay, it actually visually looks really beautiful and eye catching 🔵 👌🏼

I see this video in my recommended videos once a month, today….I watch it

Well researched, and well presented. Good stuff man, we need more content like this!

@CULTTENNIS

3 жыл бұрын

More to come!

@aaronenoch7588

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more, very well researched :) always wanted to know why they changed it to blue clay.. thank you so much for giving insight into this :)

@peteranastasakis8784

3 жыл бұрын

Correct!

@finnegan987

3 жыл бұрын

Also plexicushion

@Lava1964

3 жыл бұрын

That was very informative and entertaining.

This is one of those times where someone could easily say "what was that dude thinking?" but honestly I feel bad for him. His heart is absolutely in the right place, it is just really unfortunate that it culminated in a bad experience when all he was trying to do was make the tournament more unique and easily viewable.

@CrisMinuano

3 жыл бұрын

It wasnt his fault, but sometimes you gamble and lose

@hunterklugh5067

3 жыл бұрын

It was wrong place wrong time the color wasn’t the problem it was the weather

@nmr405

3 жыл бұрын

TheThreatenedSwan TheThreatenedSwan exactly. I’m surprised he didn’t have scientific tests run on the blue clay to prove that the players were just tricking each other into blaming the color of the clay for the poor surface condition and thus their performance. If I’m going to invest into something like that then at the very least I’d try to make an appeal to ATP regarding an undeserved ruling on blue clay if not taking legal action against ATP. but that’s not to take away from the fact that despite investing in a concept like blue clay there was seemingly no attempt made towards better maintenance of the court surface. Seems a tad half-baked either way you look at it but then again I’m not the one investing the money and resources so who am I to really say.

I don’t know jack about Tennis but still watched to the end. Amazing video and even better creator🙏🏾

Bro I love your videos they’re so good

Rafa was happy with the models tho

@allanyang21

3 жыл бұрын

Nadal’s eyes were really focused when he was resting on the bench

@digirapa

3 жыл бұрын

I was too, tbh

@miked2543

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone was, except for ugly, bitter feminist control freaks.

@tomr6955

3 жыл бұрын

Dang right. I don't see why it's a problem, how is it sexist? They are frigging models for crying out loud, it's what they WANT to do. Sure, those other ballkids miss out but on the other hand the models miss out if they don't get the gig!

@pinkdarkboii1817

3 жыл бұрын

Your profile pic is perfect for this comment

Why YES KZread algorithm, I am interested in blue clay on tennis courts...

@OGdienomyte850

3 жыл бұрын

One of the most random recommended videos that I still decided to watch😭😭😭 guess they know more than we credit them for

@FrameEsc

3 жыл бұрын

OGdienomyte850 Haha! KZread knows me better than I know myself

Awesome video!

The TV at my gym has been playing tennis matches lately and I always see the blue court and think of this video

i relly liked that blue clay tho. looked so pretty!

@CULTTENNIS

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@osho5996

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, too bad it didn't work out...

@JA-nv4zb

3 жыл бұрын

It was like looking at techdecks on blue marble

@republikadugave420

3 жыл бұрын

@@CULTTENNIS im not 100% sure but isnt there a green clay turnament??

@teddyfield2164

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

blue clay looks so cool, damn you to whoever built that drain system!

I just like to rewatch these videos cuz they are such a vibe

These videos must take a lot of time to put together. I find them really interesting even though I'm not much of a tennis fan.

So the poor drainage and weather and salt caused problems and everyone blamed it on the colour of the clay??

@gujwdhufjijjpo9740

3 жыл бұрын

Shreyas Misra - they were complaining about the color before the matches even began. They were all bias against the color and blamed the loss on it.

@JelleDeLoecker

3 жыл бұрын

@Shreyas Misra I have to admit: I watched the full video but also didn't hear they used the salt in order to keep the color. 🤷

@mackyeroelink9623

3 жыл бұрын

@@JelleDeLoecker 5:16 - 5:22

@YeahTheDuckweed

3 жыл бұрын

@@gujwdhufjijjpo9740 well yeah like they all said "clay is red lmao what's next blue grass?"

@mariomoneta2833

3 жыл бұрын

@Shreyas Misra in the video says that, yeah, but they don't give any reason why it wasn't going to happen if it were red, bc first, the iron oxide don't change the surface, b they really used the salt to drain faster the surface, bc if it were to don't lose the color it going to happen anyway, and they can use other solution to make it without it going to be crystallized...

Tennis really needs more of those crazy ideas

@CULTTENNIS

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@AnthonyHirsch

3 жыл бұрын

Uncle Vee speaking of blue clay, I had a crazy idea for a tennis court. Have one tennis court be four different surfaces at the same time. Similar to that grass and clay court that Federer and Nadal played on back over a decade ago. One quarter would be grass, one quarter hard court, one quarter blue clay and one quarter red clay and have the blue clay and blue hard court at a diagonal from one another to make the colors look cool (and then of course the red of the clay and the green of the grass and the other parts of the court) but yea just had this idea a couple weeks back lol who knows if it would work and I’m sure would be super expensive but I’d like to see them try something like this. And I’m right there with you that they need to keep trying new different crazy ideas and court surfaces, etc.

@darrenjohn8524

3 жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyHirsch The problem is that different surfaces require different types of shoes.

@15Stratos

3 жыл бұрын

@@darrenjohn8524 And it would also drive the players nuts

@h4rder10

3 жыл бұрын

@@15Stratos ya good point. top seeds might bite the blue dust early on.

Holy fuck is that the Dankpods headphone testing music in the intro? Bruh 4:10 he's still using Dankpods wtf

That was an excellent video! I never thought I'd subscribe to a tennis channel XD

"There are three court surfaces" Green Clay and Carpet: "Are we a joke to you?"

@takuma628

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@timeluster

3 жыл бұрын

I have played on tarmac and indoor wooden courts too - but i think there are only 3 surfaces used professionally.

@pavarottiaardvark3431

3 жыл бұрын

@@timeluster Green Clay is still used in one WTA tournament. It's only a Premier 470 but it's still a top tour level event. Carpet was used until 2018 on the top levels, still used at Challenger level.

@timeluster

3 жыл бұрын

@@pavarottiaardvark3431 Nice, do you know which one? I guess it plays pretty similar to red clay.

@pavarottiaardvark3431

3 жыл бұрын

@@timeluster Charleston Open. The clay is made from Amphibolite rather than red brick. It results in a sort of bottle green colour that slightly harder and faster than Red Clay, but it still scuffs and spins like a clay court.

I really like the look of that blue clay. However they should have put some thought into how well it would perform under use.

@whiteydiamond

3 жыл бұрын

Cool basic observation

@liamengram6326

3 жыл бұрын

It will perform exactly the same as any other clay. Apparently tennis players, and the organizers are q bunch of sh*t for brains morons though.

@pro_lapsed7613

3 жыл бұрын

They should make a video on it

@cobalt6014

3 жыл бұрын

When one of the tennis plays talked about playing on blue grass I only thought of boise state lol

@nonyobussiness3440

3 жыл бұрын

@Steve N it does

a new video essay in my recommended? it'll make a fine addition to my collection

I didn’t think I would find something interesting that I couldn’t care less about. Great video!

“I’ll go to sleep early tonight” Me at 4 am:

@matina-4734

3 жыл бұрын

Holy fuck its 4:04 here

@dana-iu5xl

2 жыл бұрын

lmao i'm reading this at 4:06...I don't even watch tennis man what am I even doing here

@k.raghuramchakravorthy6047

2 жыл бұрын

Damn it 3 45 here!!!😂 And I was planning to sleep early too😂

Why didn’t they just change the ball to neon orange when playing in a green court?

@Eyebrows842

3 жыл бұрын

That would be too cheap and simple

@abhishekrajeshirke

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, In cricket when game shifted from test to one day (day and night) format. They didn't changed the whole playground's colour. Instead, they changed the cricket ball's colour from red to white.

@mariusro1987

3 жыл бұрын

I know , right ? Mind blown .

@Joenah5

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t pink balls be better for a green court? But I agree with the general premise.

@nathangamble125

3 жыл бұрын

@@Joenah5 Thise would be really bad for people with colour blindness

Wow , Great video.

*comes in in a wind blown cloak* the algorithm and insomnia has led me here. You shall be remembered at my next cocktail party

I'd like to see the world burn, let's make a mossy tennis court.

@stras4472

3 жыл бұрын

Ou God

@san_juanito

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but what about... blue mossy courts

@mathbookhero

3 жыл бұрын

@@san_juanito NOW WE'RE FREAKIN TALKIN BAYBEE

@watchout3811

3 жыл бұрын

I like the idea of ice courts

@lunacanyonrose8436

3 жыл бұрын

Watch out I also want tennis with ice skates instead of tennishoes

Petition to make tennis courts out of marble tiles and soapy water should be added on top of it 👇

@jc-fx3rp

3 жыл бұрын

Aside from all the injuries, it would probably be boring af since every player would just go for aces and win them

@teddyfield2164

3 жыл бұрын

Im down to test that for you

@chaotickreg7024

3 жыл бұрын

@@jc-fx3rp Long rackets

@thealphas1

3 жыл бұрын

Or, get this, remove the courts and have the players use jetpacks

@TimThomason

3 жыл бұрын

Petition to keep tennis how it is, but just release 50 crocodiles onto the court before every match.

One of the all time greatest thumbnails in the history of KZread. Boosted views by 100x+

I honestly have 0 interest in tennis on most fronts, but man this video pulled me in. Kudos man.

Anakin’s head would’ve exploded if he had encountered blue sand.

@u.v.s.5583

3 жыл бұрын

"YOU TURNED CLAY AGAINST ME!!! I HATE YOU!" (Rafakin to the Romanian banker)

@SonOfMeme

3 жыл бұрын

"It's hard and slippery...just like we could be if you catch my drift"

@beastmode8594

3 жыл бұрын

It's coarse, rough, and irritating, and it get's everywhere.

I feel like it was Federer's mindset that helped him win.

@bruhayy3331

3 жыл бұрын

I think it was all about mindset, I’ve played basketball in shoes that are flatter than a sheet of plywood. Sure I nearly rolled my ankle trying to stop a couple of times but I was still my beastly self on defense.

@alejandroojeda1572

3 жыл бұрын

Well, It also has to do with Gameplay. Grass IS the slipperiest court and Federer IS an ace in grass. But yeah, he's also very versatile

@ElRealista.

3 жыл бұрын

Not, there is a reason why Federer was better in grass than clay. Is not only about the mind, the physical conditions determines your chances of winning.

@tylerdurden3722

3 жыл бұрын

Surfaces impact the speed of the bounce...and how players move. It changes the dynamic of a match enough to give a group, with a certain playing style, a big advantage. Federer's attacking playing style benefits from a faster court. While Nadal is the opposite. He benefits, significantly, from a slower court. Clay is a slow court.

@yodef6828

3 жыл бұрын

In the video itself they say the conditions of blue clay favoured the playstyle of Federer, it's not his mindset, surely all players had given it a try

Lord knows how I ended up on tennis KZread but man is just using every dankpods tune in the book!

If I was ever going to consider watching tennis this video put a stop to that

Why am I watching this, I don't even care about Tennis.

@fanlbc

3 жыл бұрын

you literally made me close the video because i realized that i also don't care about tennis

@BigBlackCantonese

3 жыл бұрын

You right

@jacobalexander1773

3 жыл бұрын

This was recommended to me and I have never searched tennis on KZread or Google before

@barneyclifton6402

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, why are you?

@aaoooaaa

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody cares about tennis

So lemme get this straight: Nadal didn't win on this clay so they banned it

@kwl189

3 жыл бұрын

Basically...yes. Him and Djokovic cried and cried and cried. The moment offensive players started winning matches and making the later stages of clay events, it was changed.

@TeemoQuinton

3 жыл бұрын

@randomguy8196 And it wasn't the blue clays fault, it's the poor drainage and salt

@sebkosk

3 жыл бұрын

@@kwl189 lol it wasnt clay,it wasnt tennis,it was impossible to move on it and not only Nadal and Djokovic hated the surface,it was just non tennis and weird

@kwl189

3 жыл бұрын

@@sebkosk 😂 couldn’t have been that hard to move on it. The tournament went ahead and players had long rallies on it. Nobody cried more than those two.

@sebkosk

3 жыл бұрын

@@kwl189 lol even Roger wasnt happy about that,its just nonsense thats why it was banned :)

It's intriguing how the colour of the surface has been correlated with the performance of said surface, even though the two are unrelated. If the proponent of Blue clay ensured excellent performance of his blue-coloured surface compared to traditional playing fields, Blue Clay may have been upheld as the superior tennis play surface as opposed to the inferior one.

@totetoresano

2 жыл бұрын

They are related because to change the color you have to change how the clay performs: They change the properties of the clay to make it blue, so the ball bounces different and the players have trouble maintaining balance, affecting the performance of the players.

@scottg3192

2 жыл бұрын

@@totetoresano and the ball bounces differently on grass and hard courts, so why would a slightly different type make a difference? The bad move was the salt. That's it.

@why7636

2 жыл бұрын

@@totetoresano go buy some more brain cells.

@bostonholland3704

2 жыл бұрын

​@@scottg3192 The ball bounces differently on those courts yes, but ultimately that means there's only three broad compositions that players need to be familiar with. I'm unsure if you're the kind of person to follow esport's, but its a situation that comes up in that more than traditional sports due to how mutable the games in it can be. Prior to the world tournaments in games like league of legends, if the patch it is played on has significant changes, then players and teams who were better at the style of play in regular season might fall off. Blue clay, without iron oxide is a less robust clay mixture, more prone to being affected by weather changes, which necessitated the need for salt. There is a reason why every other year with normal clay they did not run into these issues. And if you forgive me for completing this nerd as fuck explanation, that affected the meta of the game, it changed the way the tennis players had to play . Which meant that aggressive players were at an advantage comparatively to defensive players. This is especially exacerbated by the fact the salt crystalized after the practice on the court a week prior, which meant that they had a very short amount of time to adjust. Its just bad practice especially in a major tournament.

came to this video not even knowing there were different kinds of tennis courts, watched till the end. That blue clay looked beautiful tbh

I don’t watch tennis, I’ve never played tennis, yet here I am.

@nevenagavric29

3 жыл бұрын

the boybrutus same

@kellyt5341

3 жыл бұрын

The censoring greedy a$$ yootoob thanks you.

@leoortiiiz

3 жыл бұрын

@@kellyt5341 How is it censoring and greedy? What

I have literally never clicked on a tennis video before this one. Thank algorithm

0:01 no matter where I go the song, this song follows me...

@Abd-kb7tr

2 жыл бұрын

dank pods

So lemme get this straight: a drainage problem and extreme weather occurred, but everyone just starts bitching about the clay...

@johnmartinez7440

3 жыл бұрын

You conveniently forgot the part where they added loads of salt which made it slippery.

@mbartelsm

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnmartinez7440 it made it slippery because of extreme weather. Also, that just says that salt was the problem, not the clay colour.

@dragoxphere3341

3 жыл бұрын

@@mbartelsm The salt was added so that the color wouldn't drain away. Reminder that red clay is naturally red due to the iron content, so it wouldn't need the salt. Blue clay had the color added artificially, so salt needed to be added to preserve it

@morningivy

3 жыл бұрын

@@dragoxphere3341 The salt was added so that the clay would keep out moisture. It's important to keep out moisture to keep the clay blue. But it's not necessary to use salt. They had a water drainage system, but it was shitty.

@scythelord

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnmartinez7440 Which they added the salt because of the drainage problem. Again, still not the clay.

This is like a game dev updating the map right before a tournament, fundamentally changing the meta of what strategies are good.

@JR-mk6ow

3 жыл бұрын

It's more like changing the servers to another continent instead of LAN for a tournament. I mean, considering the weather and poor maintenance, it would happen the same to red clay

@sovietmoose5624

2 жыл бұрын

more like updating the textures and an unrelated bug became associated with the texture change

I don't play tennis, I don't intend to play tennis, I never watch tennis matches, and yet I can't stop watching this channel

I can't stop thinking about DankPods with that first background piece

federer is best "its different, BUT YOU ADDAPT. GIT GUD!"

@matiaspereyra9392

3 жыл бұрын

Even though he was bitching about the colour of the clay being different

@Ephraim225

3 жыл бұрын

You adapt when it's favorable to you I suppose :3

@MrRomanrin

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ephraim225 wait no... You don't adapt when its favorable for you. Thats not how you adapt. 😂

@Zeuts85

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrRomanrin Yeah but that's the point. Federer didn't really adapt so much as get gifted a meta-game that favors the style he already uses.

@HarryFan110

3 жыл бұрын

Meta in tennis LULW

So basically, the color didn't matter at all, it's the weather and weather prevention methods that fucked it all up

@mic-shellcrackson3800

3 жыл бұрын

No. It's the salt they used to prevent the colour change

@fritzjackson4336

3 жыл бұрын

@@mic-shellcrackson3800 That's not what it was for, where did you hear that?

@mic-shellcrackson3800

3 жыл бұрын

Fritz Jackson did you watch the video? They used salt to prevent the colour to change into white since it's dyed clay. The colour will fade if it gets wet so they used salt to make sure it doesn't fade.

@anelbegic2780

3 жыл бұрын

@@mic-shellcrackson3800 so the rain and heat wave had no effect what-so-ever then or are we just going blame the salt used?

@mbartelsm

3 жыл бұрын

@@mic-shellcrackson3800 They also used it to keep the court dry. Anyway, the problem wasn't the color of the clay, but weather prevention methods. Switch methods and there wouldn't have been any issues.

I don't know jack about tennis, but, this was surprisingly fun!

this video has the dankpods test music in the background and i cannot simply ignore it

Im gonna explain this for everyone. I am from Madrid and about 2012 I was living like 100 meters away from "The Magic Box", the compound where Madrid Open was played. Main sponsor since the birth of Madrid Open has been Mutua Madrileña, an insurance company that have blue and white as corporative colours. Tiriac had the idea and his main sponsor was delighted(the company was making a push then to get out of Madrid to become nationwide). Mutua Madrileña used this as a platform to grow and agreed to pay more sponsorship money to Tiriac(at the same time other sponsors as L'Oreal, Samsung and other brands had raised sponsorship money for Tiriac). This wasnt revolutionary, this was a marketing campaign guys and Tiriac won huge

@vayermenoviko0linixD

3 жыл бұрын

Still, it was a good idea, it just didn't have enough luck to work. Any clay would've faced the same problems, the way I understood it

Ok, but I feel like this is less of blue clay’s fault and more the fault of the weather. I mean could theoretically the same thing happen on red clay?

@jarrettpeeples9745

3 жыл бұрын

No. What ruined the playability of the courts was adding salt to the courts so that the blue dye in the clay didn't bleed out. This wouldn't be necessary with red clay that is naturally colored.

@nathangamble125

3 жыл бұрын

@@jarrettpeeples9745 Why not just use non-soluble dye?

@kasvinimuniandy4178

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathangamble125 cause no one wanted to see the cursed blue clay again hahahha.... If the King of Clay was disrupted by this, it must be very unattractive.

@TheEnoEtile

3 жыл бұрын

@@jarrettpeeples9745 you're picking on a single issue. The salt was added to dry the court AND to protect the color. Seems like they may have tried the salt anyway. Using salt to absorb moisture on a court is what should be banned it seems

@jarrettpeeples9745

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheEnoEtile they used to salt to try to keep moisture of the court BECAUSE it was going to ruin the color.

that intro did it for me man 😂😂

Here’s the weird thing - I don’t play tennis? I don’t even really CARE about Tennis? But I’ve been seeing this in my recommendations, and now I’ve started binging your videos, because I have a genuine fascination for the interesting minutiae of niche subjects I haven’t really been involved with before, and your presentation style has made this look into a world I wouldn’t normally be interested in both entertaining and enlightening! I always love to hear from people who are well-researched and passionate about their field, whatever it is, and I think after this I may pay attention to the sport a bit more! ^w^

"Why didn't they changed the ball's colour?" My mind at 3am 🤔

@jason808094LeCrown

3 жыл бұрын

See that's a simple solution large multi-national organizations don't like simple solutions they want things to be as expensive and costly as they can so they can raise ticket prices and licensing rights.

@jason808094LeCrown

3 жыл бұрын

@eyeoftheebeholder00 Probably yes i mean one kind of does lead to the other some point to be fair. XD Meanwhile a normal person is like why don't we just choose a different color ball. They already exist so why don't we use a red ball on the green courts and a green ball on the red clay.

@Jim-ly5hv

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thought.

@naphackDT

3 жыл бұрын

@@jason808094LeCrown Colorblind people be like: U WOT M8?

@MultiAlliot

3 жыл бұрын

just like in cricket there are different coloured balls for different conditions and formats

The issues in 2012 with blue clay could’ve also happened on red clay, the color seems insignificant.

@vetrix215

3 жыл бұрын

Nope. As one fellow commenter said, they used salt to keep clay blue. It wouldnt happen if it was red.

@gothnate

3 жыл бұрын

@@vetrix215 You didn't hear what was said about the salt. It was used as a desiccant to try and dry up the moisture that accumulated. The pigment had nothing to do with the way the surface ended up.

@thomasemment9291

3 жыл бұрын

@@gothnate If you actually listen to him the reason they had to get rid of the moisture was to keep the colour, if it had been red they would not have had to add salt

@vetrix215

3 жыл бұрын

@@gothnate ok. Clay was blue because it was dyed. They added salt to keep it blue since otherwise, it would just turn white and to avoid that they added salt so moisture is drawn out and clay can keep its colour. Red clay is just a crushed brick as he said and they don't lose colour therefore they wouldn't use salt if it was red. Same would have happened if it was any other colour that was dyed. It is not well explained in the video but that is why they did it.

@gujwdhufjijjpo9740

3 жыл бұрын

SP - your right! They banned it because the court got wet so the losing players complained and blamed the loss on the color of the ground.

I think seeing hyperoffensive tournaments using the slippery courts would be a fun side thing

O love the Miami purple courts. We have fantastic purple courts at my old high school. The courts at my local park are blue. I would like blue hard tru or blue clay courts. 💙 Tiriac's innovative move with models as ball people is a interesting wild idea.

"I hope I never play on blue grass." Kentucky: am I a joke to you?

@347Jimmy

3 жыл бұрын

*sad banjo noises*

@Laneous14

3 жыл бұрын

Blue grass would feel awful to play on. And then you got the horse and cow droppings everywhere.

@veramae4098

3 жыл бұрын

Kentucky: Yes

@BackflipsBen

3 жыл бұрын

My dad owned a sod farm and sold Kentucky Bluegrass. I think he'd be pretty insulted too.

@thrash0114

3 жыл бұрын

Boise State: pathetic.

This doesn’t make any sense. The only difference was the color, that means that a red clay court would have suffered the same thing given the same circumstances. So it was the weather not the color, that made things different. All this is according to the article.

@maxwellbolzman7077

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe the lack of Iron oxide has something to do with it

@sirgerald6846

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Seemed like a bunch of crybabies

@thomasemment9291

3 жыл бұрын

Probably the lack of iron and the salt they had to add to keep the colour...

@skybugproductions7527

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I forgot the iron

@anamonoke

3 жыл бұрын

If I understand correctly due to how blue clay courts are made, it made it more susceptible to becoming more uneven then red clay courts. With red clay they had the same problems but with blue clay it was more severe.

Intro sounding great on my HD six hundos by ol' mate Senn

Damn the opening background song is what dank pods use for testing songs

4:11 “Grass doesn’t become orange, it would be all strange.” No one tell this man that brown is a shade of orange.

@user-sb4fd3jt3w

3 жыл бұрын

ok but ur not gonna tell someone their fine if their blood is hot pink

@Kawn0

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-sb4fd3jt3w danganronpa: *sweats*

@saeleas_

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kawn0 Monokuma rings the school's bell.

@bluesight_

3 жыл бұрын

he's obviously never seen a Bronco's game lmao

@alekosthecrow

3 жыл бұрын

Brown grass?

You know you're a good content creator when you can make someone who knows nothing about Tennis interested in tennis debacles

I think it was great trying. And this story tells a lot regarding who's the most intelligent tennis player, the guy that can do everything on any surface and speak any language ^^

That looks beautiful

It’s 2 am, I need to get up at 7, I don’t play tennis, this is the life.

@will9961

2 жыл бұрын

🤝 I wish you luck

I don’t play tennis. I don’t watch tennis. I’ve never been into tennis. Yet this video was super interesting! Great work man!

@CULTTENNIS

3 жыл бұрын

Comments like these make my day! :)

Look at you and your tennis anecdotes!

very good video