The Death of Honey Sugarman (Bojack Horseman Video Essay)
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Honey Sugarman was right about one thing, a lemon with a little sugar is a nice snack. Not great for the teeth though
@bsanchez3563
Ай бұрын
Dare you to try yellow grapefruit or ooh the peel so it is even more possibly than otherwise would be., bitter lol
@anti-usernamesaltaccount3623
Ай бұрын
Who cares about teeth If it’s tasty it’s mine
CrackerJack dying in December 44 is so tragic since its implied he fought in Europe and by then most people knew the war in Europe was coming to an end. Another gut punch in a show full of them.
@humanwolf1984
Ай бұрын
If I was cracker Jack I wouldn't have joined instead I would have just stayed out of world war 2. 😉
@BrandonScott-mi5pz
Ай бұрын
GREAT KITTY MONK BOJACK HORSEMAN DEATH ☠ OF HONEY 🍯 SUGARMAN VIDEO ESSAY,
@ComradeWolfman98
Ай бұрын
The Battle of the Bulge started in December 1944 at that time, it was not known if the offensive was a desperate attempt by a weaken army or an offensive by an army that was regrouping and consolidating its strengths
I felt a deep set of dread after that lobotomy scene. How wicked science was.
@sayjinpat4life
Ай бұрын
That wasn't science. That was jumping the gun with a few results not looking at the long term
@Moho_braccatus_
Ай бұрын
The scientific community was critical of lobotomy, even around the time of its inception. It was developed by a Portuguese surgeon, Antonio Egas Moniz, and though he earned a Nobel Prize for it, there were already concerns about its safety and if it even helped the patient at all. In America anyway, the ice pick lobotomies you hear about were done by a practitioner named Walter Jackson Freeman II. He would often perform them carelessly, for publicity, and sometimes without a diagnosis (in the case of Howard Dully). Many people died under his care. His work partner, Watts, who also performed lobotomies, was horrified by the invention of the ice pick method, and parted ways with Freeman over it. Even "properly" done lobotomies drew in scrutiny, mostly due to the lack of efficacy, and the extreme damage to the patient. With the development of psychiatric medication, the lobotomy was phased out, but was still performed in marginal numbers (last resort scenarios) until the early 1980's.
@bsanchez3563
Ай бұрын
@@Moho_braccatus_ Same ikr.. fr fwiw true true fr... sadly so but a sad sad concept... but it is true unfortuanetly... like all I know is that for sure it is some type of real messed up stuff fr
The hardest thing to do or realize you and your parents are victims in the same cycle… it doesn’t excuse the abuse and it doesn’t take away the damage done. It’s just a very emotional part of the whole story. It’s beyond words… Edit: that’s something I’m still coming to terms with :(
I would love to see a what if episode where Crackerjack lived
@ifeeldead463
Ай бұрын
As much as I want it to be happy, I doubt the Sugarmans would be happy. I mean, Crackerjack probably got some sort of trauma from the war and if the friendly fire is correct, I doubt anyone can recover from accidentally killing your friends.
@Eric6761
Ай бұрын
@@ifeeldead463i honestly doubt that friendly fire was accurate, Bojack maybe is lying to himself about it and he didn't had a way to know it
Bojack is surprised by the fact that Crackerjack didn’t kill anyone outside of friendly fire (meaning he didn’t hear this information in the real world), so that’s probably not the truth
I found out that I had to aunt on my biological father's side who had serious special needs & other issues that got what happened to Rosemary Kennedy to happen to her although they beyond the point of actually covering up everything about her the only reason why I know of her is because my mother knew her kitty monk. 😡🤬😤😮💨😠😥💔😨😰😓😢
@humanwolf1984
Ай бұрын
She was even all the way removed from his family tree kitty monk.
@humanwolf1984
Ай бұрын
&my biological father & his family tried to do the same to me kitty. 🤬😢
The sugarman family seem sexist even by old standards. I dont see anyone else at that time consider ice cream a girl snack. I know veing thin and pretty was emphasized but they also dont mind enjoying ice cream as a treat for women. And again the 🥞 probably at least in a regular family have three at most for her. Also another reason why so much pancakes for joseph is horses eat a lot.
@DanielleCapichano
Ай бұрын
No, they're not. Just because you don't see it, it doesn't mean it didn't exist. Most everything they did was standard proxy before the Civil Rights efforts of the 1960's.
@92JazzQueen
Ай бұрын
@@DanielleCapichano Again sexism and other isms were things. But also I tend to think people use exaggerated examples to get points across to demonstrate differences in attitudes. Seriously, I would think even back then for the focus on staying thin with girls they would think it's restrictive to have no pancakes or ice cream at all.
@keotobloodrose9213
Ай бұрын
It's exaggerated on purpose both for comedic effect, and because the scene revolves around and showing Beatrice, as a child. It's meant to be extreme because that's what it would feel like to a child in their formative years.
@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist
Ай бұрын
You'd be surprised, my family shows a LOT of the same traits as the Sugarman family. As a child, I would be told that I couldn't eat this/that, I couldn't wear this/that, I couldn't watch this/that because it was "unladylike". (I even have memories of being told I couldn't eat ice cream while spending time with my grandmother because it would "fatten me up".) While I was chubby (pre-puberty), I had older family members trying to push supplements and diet plans just as Beatrice had been pressured to do so. Many values of the time are still trickling down for a lot of families; some desperately grasping harder than others. Thankfully, I haven't shared this experience with too many people; indicating that these ideas may have already been dropped for decades, by many.
"I remember death so much its like a memory no beat no sound no melody" good call back to Hamilton
I think the "promise me you'll never love someone" thing is partially a red herring, and partially more of a metaphor. Like, while Beatrice probably didn't intend to follow through on a promise she made when she was a small child, what DID happen is that since Beatrice didn't have anyone who loved her, she never really learned how to show love in return. Especially not unconditional love you expect a parent to give their child. Again, not to excuse her awful parenting, I just say this as someone who's family has generational trauma that's probably even more fucked up than Bojack's. One of my aunt's insisted on refusing to take responsibility for the way she treated her kids, by telling me "well my mother didn't tell me she loved me". Similar to Beatrice, I'm sure my aunt never felt loved by anyone (her older siblings treated her like shit, her father left the family and remarried, her ailing mother died when she was young, my mother (her younger sister) cared about her but by then my aunt was a very unhappy person and didn't reciprocate with anything beyond bullying) and so going forward, she didn't know how to love her own kids and never tried to learn how. Beatrice is very similar. ...Though honestly with the things my aunt did, I'd say even Beatrice was a better mother than her.
@user-pi3hd2bt3f
Ай бұрын
Beatrice telling Bojack "I hope you die before I do so you never know what it's like to lose a mother" makes me feel like she did take Honey's words to heart, wether she meant to or not. She must have felt some sympathy for Bojack from that statement but was too scared to love him because loving Crackerjack caused her mom to lose her braim
@92JazzQueen
Ай бұрын
@@user-pi3hd2bt3f But not loving him caused him in spirit to lose a mother anyway. Seriously, this family is messed up when it comes to love.
@user-pi3hd2bt3f
Ай бұрын
@@92JazzQueen most ppl domt think that far tho, even in real life. Most people think "you cant miss what you never had" or "your mother is at least there and breathing"
@92JazzQueen
Ай бұрын
@@user-pi3hd2bt3f Oi.
Interesting how we never learn the details of butterscotches death like how we put soldiers on pedestals and the forget about them just as quickly as
10:09 I had red blanket with dalmatian puppies on it that I simply named "Puppy Blanket." So, yes, people name blankets.
@alicianelson1252
Ай бұрын
101 Dalmatians?
I honestly didn't even realize Honey was in Time's Arrow (physically). I thought she had died at the summer home bombing hinted at the end of The Old Sugarman Place. Actually, perhaps she did, and the scenes of her we see in Time's Arrow are actually just Beatrice being haunted by her memory.
@egg_bun_
Ай бұрын
Dang, I clearly need to rewatch. I didn't realize that her death was implied.
@quinintheclouds
Ай бұрын
bombing?
@undeadprincess5726
Ай бұрын
Beatrice confirms in times arrow that her mother is alive physically, but not mentally.
You know. It still feels like you can feel the pain leftover from the 50s 60s and WW2. Like the way people standardized each other still lingers from that time. Emotionally, physically, and mentally. Everything was different for the time. But still echos now too.
Uterus.... lol lile the "uter-room" from Bobs Burgers.
@BrandonScott-mi5pz
Ай бұрын
EXCELLENT WORK. KITTY MONK BOJACK HORSEMAN VIDEO
I've been in the army for 8 years. If my uterus was gonna rupture it would have been a long time ago lol.
@Blue71974
Ай бұрын
Haha that reminds me when I used to work as a cleaner sometimes I had to move heavy objects and all the older ladies were would tell me to call over one of the guys to do it because then I wouldn’t harm my uterus. They said it with such concern too.
"Enjoy your dumb little TV show.." That's COLD BLOODED 😂😂
Uterus was the perfect word for this lol
Uterus!
I honestly think we have to take halfway down with a of grain of salt ad we don't know how much truth there is a Bojack was in a coma so it's possible he's hallucinated everything and there is no way to confirm Bojack know much about his uncle or what happened we also can't rely on Beatrice as a reliable narrator due to her dimension
@undeadprincess5726
Ай бұрын
To add to this, herb tells Bojack, "it's just your brain going through what it needs to go through."
The Robbin sparkle’s reference is truly everything kitty
Life didn't give us lemons we the fools that we are, made them It's a combination of a bitter orange and a Citron
6:06-6:10 There`s actually a risk of it happening, my mom being the prime example. She got hers removed last year due to all the heavy lifting she had to do for 20+ years. And she constantly warns me not to lift anything heavy due to being worried about my health, like an actual mother would do, just like Honey did with Beatrice - it`s really not the subject to be laughed at.
@girl2ninja
Ай бұрын
Oh wow. I didn't know that was a real thing. Thanks for the PSA actually. Sorry about your mom though ):
@92JazzQueen
Ай бұрын
So it ain't actually sexist. Man.
I'm writing a story that is somewhat inspired by Rosemary Kennedy in the sense that it's about a disabled person (specifically an autistic person) who is born into a prestigious family and the bigotry and injustice they receive from said family due to the ableism that is imbedded into their mindsets.
@92JazzQueen
Ай бұрын
Robert Kennedy needs to be made into more villainous father archetypes. He's a pos.
My baby blanket growing up had a name I never told anyone, Chester. Sad story, but hear me out: I had a beautiful silver Maine Coon cat Damien who passed away and I buried him in Chester as a send off, wanting the last thing for my cat to experience was Chester’s hugs before we buried him. I used to wrap Damien in Chester and he loved being in a purrito (I figured this out on my own at 9, in 2001). So I knew when Crackerjack gave Beatrice his blanket he was going to die. That to me was bigger foreshadowing than the song.
6:50 'Cause I have thirty thousand dollars in credit card debt. When they call, I tell them I can't pay it back yet.
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I love how Kitty Monk add in bits of "take care of yourself, you are important" 🖤 And because of your recent Bojack videos, I've convinced my husband to watch it! So thank you!
I enjoyed another one of your bojack videos, and this one I imagine will be great as well. Subscribed :)
25:07 it doesn't even make sense from the doctors perspective! Like shouldn't you stop cutting the brain BEFORE she becomes incoherent?!!
''uterus!"
every time you use a helluva boss clip I'm so damn happy
I still sleep with stuffed animals too Kitty
Im going to be completely honest whem i first saw one of your videos i thought it was annoying and i clicked off.i got suggested another one of your videos and watched it and now its something i like to watch every morning before work. Keep up the hard work and i cant wait to see whats next
my baby blankey was called my "woobie"!
TWO BEAVERS R BETTER THAN ONE, TWICE THE FUN, ASK ANYONE!!! 🇨🇦
Bojack being Beatrice’s Renesmee made me laugh 11:28
Crackerjack actually literally means like good, exceptional, bojack means less than, not good enough, not living up to. It was probably pretty commonly used at the time of Crackerjacks deployment, i think.
Like a said part one part two as a double feature
I actually had a do a purge of almost of my books & mangas & movies & my cds& stuffed animals but i managed to save most of them kitty& one was two stuffed wolves kitty monk. ❤️🐺🐺❤️
@foxiesque3352
Ай бұрын
You're creepy as fuck
lol never thought I'd hear a Robin Sparkles reference in a BoJack Horseman video😂😭
the hazbin hotel reference gave me a heart attack
Uterus?
They didn’t have to be skinny but have a good figure which didn’t mean skinny as a rail
Uterus is a funny word to say.😂
Okay, Off-Topic; Were Introverts Stigmatised and/or Oppressed to some Degree back in the 20th Century?
uterus!
honey is just like my mom frfr
how I met your mouther reference? when we getting a video
I think you need to do research about the 1940s
@girl2ninja
Ай бұрын
What would you have to say regarding bojak and the 40's. Genuinely curious
8:59 hazbin reference?
Well idk of givong a person cards on wjat to say is bad..but by far I guess if in all honesty maybe because I am only thinking of it when compared to the surgeries of the time then.. dang just realized even pennicillin would have been bareky an idea if even existant.. it feels surreal tbh how.. so much can change with just a few years in any goven era.. with a ,ajor breakthrough of milestones.. well pk some not so much for the best but.. some like cures for stuff an SAFE procedures like.. non wooden dentures and non transplanted teeth etc.. an even apparently now heart transplants and stuff exists.. from a MS oin I recall seeing stating the Missippi hospital had the first sucessful... well odk some type of organ transplant possibly from a pig to a person even not just pne person to another... But yeah unsterile transfusion and or match melting wounds closed as "cauterizing" still feels pretty grim fwiw even despite being loght years ahead of civil war days but at the very same time.. light years BACK in time from modern day stuff... pfft evne the 70s or even 80s or 90s medical practices have improved in the last ten or twety years with stuff like.. odk invisalign is all I can tjink of rn.. besides like well yeah.. an maybe not medical needed perse.. but..uh "Grillz" exist well ok even if brief in fads.. of the 00s but... still supris9ng how fwiw if it was a presidential family thing then that it COULD have been kept out of publoc knowledge for even brief time spans. 26:28 also hehe uh.. I am glad Kat covered that point for I had literally that very question in my head just then..
🗣UTERUS!!!
It’s possible Honey did have a nurse
Getting lobotomy sucks.
10:50 ew???
u to rus
A lot of the stuff I’ve read seems to suggest that supposed limitations on lifestyle options were almost entirely by choice. The modern revisionist history narrative suggesting that we simply weren’t allowed to be anything other than wives and mothers requires that we erase the numerous female college professors, politicians, royalty, CEO’s, doctors, police, inventors, and engineers. Choosing the path of least resistance or following your biological imperatives can leave you feeling dissatisfied with you accomplishments later in life. As a result, lots of people want to tell themselves that they’ve been victimized and were held back from success. The sad part is that building and maintaining a happy family is an AMAZING accomplishment. All those female CEOs and doctors are desperately jealous of those who chose the lifestyle we want to call a prison. If you want to do something, do it. Don’t blame society and try to erase the accomplishments of all of the amazing women who came before you.
@kathleenwoods8416
Ай бұрын
Neglecting how those woman were treated in every one of those careers shouldn't be neglected either. I get being chafed at the idea that people were and still are limited by life, expectation & legality, but its kinda weird to argue that people weren't influenced by it as a whole. People choose the options they actually have, and as far as "following biological imperatives" is it worth all that much in a system that doesn't actually serve those thing as goals only punishments?
7:44 Wait what the fuck? Good you added ,,to me” xD Beside it Very good video i enjoyed it a lot. Im happy to see people still do analysis about Bojack :D
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