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@ddwow566

5 ай бұрын

It’s not you it’s the stupid industry I watch 5 min videos and there’s 3 ads in it plus the minuet long sponsorship people have to do in the middle it’s bs

@ms.carriage6867

5 ай бұрын

here come the drums, here come the drums!!!

@jenloveshorror

5 ай бұрын

No fault nor apology needed hon. The yt / internet understands and are aware. It's courteous of u to say, but really not necessary.😊 ur doing an amazing job w all ur videos. My whole fam enjoys them & fyi, not to sound like a weirdo but u have a very pleasant speaking voice! Thank u for all ur hard work!❤🙂

@JokersVsZombies

5 ай бұрын

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@amon__7187

5 ай бұрын

Should do Man of Steel next

My favorite line: "Exile, or death?" "Death." "... Death by exile!"

@NightRogue77

5 ай бұрын

“Death…. By oogum boogum”

@Puppy_Puppington

4 ай бұрын

Death.. by the peakyyy fpookin blindahs!!!!

@missrhib

Ай бұрын

Same! And Cillian Murphy kills the delivery! 😅

I get the criticism about rebuilding Bruce into Batman twice in one movie. But if you know anything about depression you know it’s easy to fall right back into that hole after tragedy hits you again. It’s a retread but one that’s realistic

@lapislazuli5035

5 ай бұрын

100% this. TDKR, and the and the Nolan Batman trilogy in general, is about Bruce Wayne overcoming his despair. People seem to forget that Bruce lost at the end of TDK. The Joker won. The Joker showed Bruce how fallible his entire sense of self is and how fragile civilization can be, and that's why he's so depressed. Not only can he not avenge his parents, or Rachel, but his entire ethos for being Batman is largely bullshit. The world is inherently corrupt and evil and will probably fall into anarchy some day. *That's* why he retired for eight years. Nothing matters. The trilogy has a leitmotif "What do we fall? So we learn to pick ourselves up", which plays most into the narrative of Rises because in that movie he once again finds a reason to continue living again, and to have a purpose, but it took Bruce getting his ass kicked and nearly killed to finally wake him up.

@joshsnipes4811

5 ай бұрын

@@lapislazuli5035 very well said

@robpatershuk

5 ай бұрын

Well said!

@21Handguns

5 ай бұрын

I feel that this was the point they wanted to make. Bruce was forgetting who he was and why he even became Batman after having a city want him dead. He went into retirement and fell into depression due to it, and the whole him going back to where he was reborn and crawling out the hole was an entire metaphor for crawling out of your dark state and moving on for the future, which is why him sacrificing his life to save Gotham at the end was good writing both plot and character wise. He was letting go of his depression,anger,grief, and all of it to save a city that hated him. Because that is who Batman is, and he is Batman'

@noahlewis6451

5 ай бұрын

i think if actual effort went into the script with this mindset it would’ve been better. but they just messed up so bad on the scale it lessens the message tenfold

The scene where Gordon realizes Bruce Wayne is Batman gets me every time

@lapislazuli5035

5 ай бұрын

The "A Hero Can Be Anyone" speech is such great writing.

@captainziggy82

5 ай бұрын

Same bruh, that entire last sequence in TDR hits hard

@PeesInPools

5 ай бұрын

I was a bit surprised that he understood the reference immediately, from 3+ decades earlier. Kind of makes the assumption that Gordon hadn't comforted many traumatized boys in his many years on the force

@johnstarks7759

5 ай бұрын

​@tmz6939 on the contrary, I was given the impression that he absolutely had comforted many youth in similar situations. Bruce had left a lasting impression . . . Just as he had left on Bruce. . I thought the moment was very well written.

@nathanknight6042

5 ай бұрын

No...I think after all these years he still hasn't figured it out...😂

Another interesting visual motif, is that the pit that Bruce finds himself and inevitably needs to find the strength to climb out of is reminiscent of the well where his fear first began. Bringing it back to the line his father used to tell him, "why do we fall." Him climbing out of that pit is him "picking him self back up "

@lapislazuli5035

5 ай бұрын

The Pit is also Nolan's version of a Lazarus Pit from the comics, where Ra's Al Ghul rejuvenates himself.

@adrizzle7179

5 ай бұрын

@@lapislazuli5035I belive it’s a Lazarus pit as well because it’s the only way to rationalize him healing so quickly. And it stays true to the source material

@cheekyscrub9102

2 ай бұрын

Wow I never thought of that

Boy, did you miss the point of the double rebuilding Batman storyline. The whole point was that the first time, Batman didn’t rebuild himself. That’s why Bane beat him. He needed to truly hit rock bottom (and they drive that point home by literally putting him at the bottom of a pit) before he could truly understand himself and rebuild Batman in a true fashion.

@discojv8760

4 ай бұрын

To add to this, the first "rebuild" is shown as unearned. He goes to the doctor who basically tells him how horribly scarred and atrophied his body is and bruce just slaps a high tech brace on his leg and calls it a day. It's symbolic for how he's not comitting to truly bettering himself, he's just rushing into it without respecting the Bane because he hasn't learned anything. It's the main flaw in his character in the movie that lends itself to the arc.

@jakethet3206

4 ай бұрын

@@discojv8760 That a terrific point, thanks! Man, Nolan sure is great at all those little details that add up to a real character arc.

@ThatJollyGoodFellow

4 ай бұрын

Yeah this is very true. I never noticed this before, but it now feels obvious.

@jakethet3206

4 ай бұрын

@@ThatJollyGoodFellow I appreciate you letting me know. 😊

My favourite of the trilogy. I think a lot of people may get the explicit Tale of Two cities references, but miss the other French Revolution allegories. Bane is Marat, an ultra revolutionary who was cast out for his extremism, lived in the sewers of Paris and took measures to alleviate the constant pain he was suffering. the Football stadium is the tennis court oath, Blackgate is clearly the Bastille and Cillian Murphy even comes back to instigate his own "la Terreur". It's an amazing film.

@LukeAvedon

Ай бұрын

Exactly!!!!

Before seeing this I was asking myself “how is Bruce going to convince everyone that he didn’t murder Harvey Dent” and Nolan came up with a very clever way of doing it.

That scene of the football field being blown up is absolutely terrifying

This is actually my favorite of the trilogy, probably because I'm a sucker for epics, and this film plays like a war epic. I love the themes of this film.

@jemmstone468

2 ай бұрын

Me too!

43:20 - Bruce DOESN'T rebuild himself 2x. The first return is the point of why Alfred doesn't want him to go out there. He didn't 'rebuild' himself. Alfred says it himself. "..strap up your leg ...fancy new toys from Fox" Bruce hasn't done anything to rebuild. He just put his mask back on. He still is the same broken man now he just shaved. His actual rebuild IS in the pit. 47:00 - Bane's speeches about changing society were just lies. His League of Shadows is a suicide cult. Telling people he wished to liberate them was as he said, 'giving them hope', 'trust' even knowing he was going to take it away in a split second when the bomb goes off. If you start with the 'suicide cult' approach, then anything he says to convey a chance makes sense. Having no hope can give one a sense of peace that there's nothing to be done and to just resign oneself to the end. Letting them think that there is can be even more torturous.

@stopwatchstudios9622

4 ай бұрын

It’s like people are dumb, like in fight club, they think you’re actually supposed to think this insane cult is cool💀 No actually it’s more like how in the Dark night when Joker does his “agent of chaos” speech to Harvey, that was complete bullshit, the Joker said he hated schemers, bruh he is the biggest schemer on the planet💀, it was just him manipulating Harvey so Harvey was mad at everyone instead of just him, he was getting Harvey off his back, Bane was trying to turn the city against itself, people forget these characters are VILLAINS! people like Patric Bateman, Tyler Durden,Joker ,Bane and Anton Chigurh are psychotic people, not David Goggins style spiritual motivation gurus💀💀💀💀(sorry that was kind of a rant but “Sigma males” really piss me off).

@stopwatchstudios9622

4 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more😊

@DarthFerder

3 ай бұрын

@@stopwatchstudios9622 that is so on point thank you. You can add people like Rorschach, Cartman, Rick Sanchez and even Walter White to that List. Just because someone is a main character doesn‘t mean we are supposed to side with them.

@stopwatchstudios9622

3 ай бұрын

@@DarthFerder I mean cart man is kind of a joke character so he doesn’t really count, Walter white is a warning

Bane was the perfect villain for this film. He was Batman's foil. Joker challenged batman mentally, but bane challenged him physically and ideally.

@stopwatchstudios9622

4 ай бұрын

Bane COULD have been amazing, in most of the film he is, all he needed was a bit more fleshing out and the chance to be the ultimate villain in the movie, instead of a henchman with mental issues, like they really sidelined him for someone as boring as Talia.

@BrandonOfJapan

2 ай бұрын

That's not how toy use the word ideally

I was a 4th grader when the film came out. It was my first introduction to the trilogy. I was told that it was the 3rd film a year after I had watch the film. So I got intrigued to watch Batman begins, and the dark knight. I was glad that I had watch the entire trilogy.

Very glad you included the difference of the Bane voice. I know dialogue intelligibility of Nolan's movies is a constant complaint... But I remember being extremely disappointed that an alternate version was never released. The original recording was less theatrical and much more menacing. Appreciate all the work you've put into these retrospectives 👍

@joshmciver4847

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. Release the Bane cut!

I don't get the criticism of "building Batman up twice". The film makes it very clear that the first time was purely physical, and that Bruce had to embrace the mental part and regain his purpose as well in order to beat Bane and truly become Batman again

@stopwatchstudios9622

4 ай бұрын

Indeed

@windowsVD

Ай бұрын

The first time wasn't even physical, he just slapped on a cool new leg brace and got a few new gadgets, that was it. It's why Bane so easily outmatched him on a physical level the first time around.

I wish Talia hadn't been in the film at all, in all honesty. It feels like she took away very heavily from Bane's existence, because now instead of a clash between two men who pulled themselves out of Hell on Earth to become diametrically opposed to one another in how they interpret Ra's will, we have one guy who did and some random schlub who gets instantly killed by a side character shortly after the reveal of Ra's TRUE successor... who also dies five minutes later.

@cancanjaker1620

5 ай бұрын

And I didn't like her in the film because she takes some away from the relation buildup between Batman and Catwoman. One movie is too short for two newly introduced love interests.

@drakenfist

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. It turns Bane from a criminal mastermind to....Quassimodo.

@windowsVD

4 ай бұрын

@@drakenfist I never understood this idea that Bane is no longer a mastermind because of the Talia reveal. What is that really based on? We don’t see Talia do anything besides undercover work throughout the entire film. Bane is the one on the ground actually getting the key parts of their plan done. Why is Bane suddenly stripped of all strategic credit by some people when nothing in the movie confirms this?

@drakenfist

4 ай бұрын

@@windowsVD She said it herself "I honour my father by finishing his work (destroying Gotham). Killing the man who killed my father is simply a reward for my patience". All Bane's work was theatrics for her to sneak in with the bomb and destroy Gotham. Bane is her protector and all the work he did was for her. Not of his own accord. He's a brute pretending to be the brains too.

@windowsVD

4 ай бұрын

@@drakenfist That quote is simply Talia explaining her motivation. It has nothing to do with who came up with the planning. The motivation was hers, but that doesn’t make her the main strategist, especially considering that she doesn’t even spend the bulk of her time with the League and instead spends it being undercover.

The dark knight trilogy is one of my favorite movie series ever made and I think you capture each movie perfectly. Retrospectives are great keep doing what you’re doin

I'll never forget the first time I heard bane's voice in the cinema

Dude these retrospective videos are incredible! Good job!

@imranxalamin

5 ай бұрын

truly, it makes me want to watch the movies all over again. And i just watched them like a month ago.

Excellent trilogy of retrospectives hats off. Definitely under appreciated video essayist!

I would like to remind everyone that both an spiderman film and avengers film came out in 2012 and this is probably the best superhero film of that year

@georgekalliampakos4206

5 ай бұрын

Nah, avengers is better but still rises is an incredible movie

@stopwatchstudios9622

4 ай бұрын

@@georgekalliampakos4206bro, you really think a Joss Whedon movie is better than a Nolan movie 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

@georgekalliampakos4206

4 ай бұрын

@stopwatchstudios9622 because it is bruh wtf. Ain't no way rises is better than the 1st avengers💀

@stopwatchstudios9622

4 ай бұрын

@@georgekalliampakos4206 First Avengers is literally just a comedy with action, it ain’t deep whatsoever, DKR while at times sloppy is still a very deep and intriguing movie to watch, I get nothing out of watching the Avengers, but hey I’m glad you enjoy that movie, you are entitled to your opinion.

@georgekalliampakos4206

4 ай бұрын

@stopwatchstudios9622 1st avengers is not a comedy, it just has more humor than rises, which is a movie that also has humor that fails miserably I might add. There are very interesting themes and ideas which get convoluted in a sea full of plot holes, lapses in logic in comparison to the realistic approach the previous 2 films had, bad choreography and a terrible twist at the end which results in one of the worst death scenes I've seen(talia) and it basically reduces Bane to a side villian. Don't get me wrong, rises is still an amazing movie but ain't no way it's better than avengers lol, stop the cap.

Thanks for this . I remember going to the cinema to watch "The Dark Knight" , when I was 27 yo. Unforgettable .

Out of all movies in the trilogy, I usually return to rewatch this one. While TDK is hands down the best in the trilogy, I find Rises to be the most enjoyable. I will always rewatch Bane and Batman’s final fight in the Gotham City streets. So epic.

I started watching your videos about the dark knight and Batman begins yesterday and wow these are really good quality videos keep it up man

@escos0410

5 ай бұрын

You should watch the transformers retrospective If your into the toy line/collection, comics, films and world of the transformers it’s a must!!! I watched them a few years ago and followed primes channel since then Absolutely brilliant!!!

I do not comment often on KZread, but you're videos are just extremely impressive and something I look forward to

The marketing for this is so cool. Forcing the fans to figure out these puzzels would really add to the excitement and anticipation. I wish more movies did things like this. It needs to be done right obviously, but when it is *chefs kiss*.

I live 10 minutes away from wollaton park(Wayne mansion) and it’s stunning. I think about this set of films every time I step into the grounds. Great place to go in summer!!!

This coverage is so well done! Your passion is palpable

I never knew Bane initially had a different voice. I can’t imagine hearing him any other way. As cheesy as it is sometimes I think it’s perfect.

"make the jump as the child did, without the rope' that scene gives me chills and inspiration.

'How did Bruce get back to Gotham?' Well remember in Batman Begins, Bruce is trained by Ras al Ghul and learns to walk on ice. So that is how I always thought he got in. However, there's a bigger plot hole. How did Bruce get back to the states?? He seemed to fly halfway across the world with no resources pretty darn quick!

@darkhobo

5 ай бұрын

He did it in Begins. Travelled across the world with nothing. But regardless he is still Bruce Wayne. His credit is good. He can make a phone call and have whatever he needs in 30 minutes.

@Ringsfan1

5 ай бұрын

@@darkhobo But wasn't Bruce broke by this time? And my problem is more how fast he got back. I still really enjoy the movie, it's just a nitpick I wonder about

@darkhobo

5 ай бұрын

@@Ringsfan1 he still has his connections though. And regardless he has done this before, for years.

I’ve been slowly going through this series but I just have to say I really appreciate the way you breakdown your topics. It always super fleshed out and seemingly well researched or at the very least paints a very clear picture of what it may have been like at that point to experience to hype surprising these movies rather than just being a review. You got good content man I hope your channel grows this next year

Thanks for bringing these out so close together, there’s obviously more than 2 weeks work on show here. Great pacing, great content. Thanks very much

OK is it just me or are these videos underrated like this dude putting so much work for these videos i’ve already seen the other two retrospectives and others. He needs more followers.

This is a great 2 days before Christmas. I've been waiting for the video on my favorite Batman movie for so long. I can't wait to see what he does next:)

I remember seeing this movie as it first came out, when I was about 10 yo. I loved the movie (still do), but the one thing that I always thought was stupid is when the cops come out of the tunnel, all armed, and face off against the criminals, also armed, and then they just run into each other, throw aside their weapons, and start having a fist fight.

Rises and Tenet are Nolan's most underrated films imo.

I’m so glad you avoided the Aurora situation that happened during the midnight screening. That was a heavy moment that’s now connected with the movie and I don’t think there’s any need to unload all that again.

@lexerdaniel4843

5 ай бұрын

Agreed! And thank you for not using his name in your comment; that’s what he wants us to do.

@Puppy_Puppington

4 ай бұрын

He doesn’t mention the theater shooting? Like even just for a second? That’s messed up if so for the victims…

Please never stop making these videos

Youve been churning out content and im here for it 👍

These retrospectives have been a treasure trove. I’m so happy I found your channel. Thanks for the love and care you’ve shown to our favorite films. 🦇

I've just watched .. OK mooched all three of your Dark Knight retrospectives. Phew! Very Comprehensive and then some! Very well put together. A+

The epilogue was well done, no one left the theater disappointed, even though it was rough getting there at certain spots.

Been waiting all day!

Just watched the dark knight 2 hours ago so perfect timing bro. Thank you and merry christmas

Been Waiting for this😊

This series was excellent. Great videos my guy.

been waiting patiently for this one

this man does not miss! I dont know how you release so many amazing videos so often. Keep up the amazing work, ill be watching

Thank you so much for these videos regarding TDK trilogy!! You earned another subscription ❤️❤️❤️ One big hug and merry Christmas!! 🎄

I just finished the previous video to see this was posted shortly after I started it. Thank you for your service. 😊

I’m not too sure whether or not I like The Dark Knight Rises. It has some great things going for it but some character and thematic choices were a bit too weird for my liking. But I really loved the ending. Brings everything together with a nice bow. My Family are major Steelers fans so we were pretty hyped to see Heinz Field and the Steelers to be dressed up as the Gotham Rogues. It felt kind of cool that we were almost 3 hours away from where they were filming.

Love all your vids man!

Brilliant video as usual.

Another great journey. Thanks for the upload

This retrospective is a MASTERPIECE. Thank you !

Greeat job man as always

I really enjoy these retrospectives. Fantastic job as always! And Happy Holidays!

Thanks a lot for your work Mr.Prime

really enjoy your content , keep up the good work

Another incredible retrospective series.

Hi! I’m a new follower - I found your video posted in a Reddit thread and I wanted to say I appreciate the time you spend putting these videos together! I understand everyone has opinions and theirs might not meet what this video says but all your content I’ve binged so far I’ve found to be very thorough and thought provoking regarding franchises I’ve been consuming for years. Thanks for taking the time to make these! 🎉

Excellent video. This channel is top teir in its premise, research, writing, editing, voice over work, and subject matter. I cant believe you dont have a million subs.

Loving these vids Thank you

TDKR, and the and the Nolan Batman trilogy in general, is about Bruce Wayne overcoming his despair. People seem to forget that Bruce lost at the end of TDK. The Joker won. The Joker showed Bruce how fallible his entire sense of self is and how fragile civilization can be, and that's why he's so depressed. Not only can he not avenge his parents, or Rachel, but his entire ethos for being Batman is largely bullshit. The world is inherently corrupt and evil and will probably fall into anarchy some day. *That's* why he retired for eight years. Nothing matters. The trilogy has a leitmotif "What do we fall? So we learn to pick ourselves up", which plays most into the narrative of Rises because in that movie he once again finds a reason to continue living again, and to have a purpose, but it took Bruce getting his ass kicked and nearly killed to finally wake him up. I thought it was a beautiful story and quite inspirational for anyone dealing with grief.

@cancanjaker1620

5 ай бұрын

No, the Joker never won. Remember the two boats never blow each other up? And Batman take the fall for Harvey Dent so that the Joker cannot win, and that Gotham will keep their sense of hope. The Batman did lost (since he is taken to be the bad guy at the end of the show), but he lost so that he can stop Joker from winning.

Dude should have 100x the subscribers he has! Amazing videos every time. Well done my friend. Keep it up and i prey for your success 👏👏

I ANXIOUSLY anticipate your retrospective of Greendale!

Thank for the video!!!!

I liked the double build up of Batman, he regains more life in the second build up and sees the value in his own life, we’re as the first build up was just him getting ready and not actually dealing with his mental state. Sure physically he needs to build himself up twice but mentally he builds himself up once throughout the movie. People tend to miss that important detail, plus what’s better than the hero getting beat down only to rise back up when he’s needed the most rather than when he might be needed? 🤷‍♂️ I loved both the dark knight and the dark knight rises. Both movies showed off Batman’s abilities to overcome any and all obstacles in his way with sheer determination and grit. It shows Batman isn’t just some push over hero that got lucky.

Gotta love this channel!!

Flipping Love your channel bro

I am super pleased that you're going to be doing community! I'm pretty sure I just yelled and startled someone nearby when you said Greendale lol

Aww helll yeah finished begins and dark knight yesterday What a treat Earned my sub

This is one my favorite retrospectives Prime. Your writing skills is impeccable, almost poetic. Well done sir 🤝

Keep this up! I love your channel

Oh yeah!

thank u prime for inspiring me to finally watch this great movie. keep up the great vids

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@MrAjking808

4 ай бұрын

Stop begging for likes

Thanks. You did great!

Can wait for the 3 Hour Mega Video. Love your work Prime.

I remember seeing Dark Knight Rises in the cinema on release and my two main takeaways were the whole film felt 'empty', Gotham didn't feel like a real lived in enviroment. The other issue I had was Bane's dialogue, I struggled to hear a lot of it.

Initially I was against loving the third movie. But as I've grown older the way Nolan uses Bruce Wayne as a focal character in the split personality of him and Batman. I thought this was just a perfect conclusion. Raise the stakes to the max, force the character to overcome the largest obstacles and then setting things right once and for all in Gotham being able to leave it behind. Rewatches serve nicely for how I view Talia as a character and her placement/actions throughout the movie. She poses as 'one of them' to always know what the other side is doing to be able to counter. She gave Bruce the idea that she could be a life beyond Batman, beyond Rachel, and in that same night slept so that he could sneak out to get broken by Bane. Step by step they eliminate all opposition to the Bane takeover and put the pieces in place to force the characters through a challenge seemingly more straight forward than the joker but tougher in every aspect especially with Talia/Miranda as a double agent. Batman Begins couldn't be left out to dry so bringing back Ra's motivations puts Bane and Talia's motivations more in to perspective. Basically a perfect trilogy in my book the way this movie ties in dark knight and begins and the rewatchability of the whole trilogy or any individual film serves to prove that also. Great vid.

I love your videos my friend! Happ Holidays!!

Man the trailers for this movie were really good in my opinion. Seeing them here again made me hyped for a movie I’ve seen 1000 times before

What an amazing trilogy

Also the ending of this film gives me utter shivers every time, i think its exceptional

Tom Hardys performance is so good in this movie he doesnt get enough credit

Bane's voice is perfect. It is such an odd sounding voice, with alot of inflection and vocal cadence. It strikes a unique balance between being almost silly but somehow also conveying the intelligence and intense malice, of the roided up monster, Bane. You can abuse Bane quotes at work, all day, everyday, and the majority of people will know of the character you are imitating.

@drakenfist

5 ай бұрын

I try as I might to like it. But whenever I hear it, it just sounds like Sean Connery to me.

That shot at 14:19 is incredible! I guess it was just test footage for The Bat, but it would have been so cool if it was in the movie. We rarely got any head-on shots of the vehicle

Really great retrospective.

This is still my favorite of the trilogy.

Community is next! I didn’t expect him to cover an entire TV series.

@themarcai6394

5 ай бұрын

I felt bad because I'm more excited for that than for this series, but didn't want to say anything

About the bridge scene with the bat symbol, Bruce has always taken theatricality way more seriously. Even Ra's al Ghul pointed that out in Batman Begins 😃

Excellent videos as always, keep up the content! Perhaps you could do story driven videogames too?

Great Vid!

Thanks for this series! And community next?! Great taste

"How the hell does Bruce Wayne get back into Gotham?" Getting into Gotham wasn't the problem. Bane was allowing the National Guard to truck in supplies, that's how the Special Forces guys that he had hung from the bridge got in. My personal theory though, is that he successfully walked across the ice. If you remember in BATMAN BEGINS he was training to fight on thin ice, so he could do that. Plus the idea of him walking on water plays into the whole savior theme of movie. That's just my head canon though.

I love the running in the 90s end song ❤

I literally gasped at the end when you mentioned "Greendale"

I have loved these three retrospectives! Detailed, informative, and I've just spent Christmas Day watching them back to back! Bravo! I normally go into watching a movie with zero expectations, which means, in my view, I pay my money and if something entertains me to two+ hours, I'm generally happy. I enjoyed the movie when I saw it first, but I was also disappointed in it. TDK blew me away so much (I like Joker even more than my love of Batman), that I let myself get way too excited for TDKR, and I believe that was the reason there was "disappointment" because even if it mathed TDK that wouldn't have been enough. I think this is why many, including the vocal general movie going population came out on this side of the argument. It's taken me a number of years to let this feeling go. Every time I watch the movie now, I appreciate it more and more. One thing I thought was missing when you wrapped it all up, that provided a tie in to the TDK was if you look at the scene when the Batman statue is unveiled, the layout of the chairs around it has been pointed out to look somewhat like the Joker's Face. It's been said that this was Nolan's tribute to Ledger.