One thing my parents taught me was to never, NEVER go away for multiple days while people work on your house. Hope it gets right. Thanks for the content!

@danpeters5163

Жыл бұрын

Would agree..

@TheAVJedi

Жыл бұрын

+1

@funkeybikemonkey

Жыл бұрын

I'm a builder. I HATE it when the customer buggers off for a couple of weeks. They go on holiday and are completely uncontactable. It makes simple questions like, where are the keys to the random lock you have on you consumer unit as I want to turn off the power on account of not wanting to die from electric shock? ( I speak from experience) no answer have to carefully dismantle the entire boxing lol. All was okay but. Yeah, simple things. Builders hate it as much as the customer.

Being a roofer myself there I can say there is no excuse for letting that happen. No matter how he secured that breather felt to the flat roof it would have leaked. But if anyone watching is getting a new house and spending thousand on new kitchens, bathrooms, plastering etc.. don't do it like this get your roof done first especially if you know it need it. This happens all the time.

@nicolassales8679

Жыл бұрын

Well said, I fit high end bathrooms and walk away from any customer who wants to do the roof last!

@andrewshelley410

Жыл бұрын

Yep this, order of works 101.

@Professional_Youtube_Commenter

Жыл бұрын

the thing is roof is just to prefvent rain from getting in. A new roof wasn't a necessity until it started leaking. You have to live with crappy kitchen and other ghastly state the previous occupant left it at. The only mistake here was going away on holiday during the works.

@ramunasvalancius5455

Жыл бұрын

100% agreed. same guys just never learn 🙈 take the roof off and go on holiday 😅😅😅

@kirkbrady2497

Жыл бұрын

Take your roofer to court . They should have never left a roof not water tight. I'm a roofer. Had never thos happen.

Never ever, ever, go on holiday, when you have the builders in. That's a well known golden rule. 🌦

I hope you are properly compensated. The roofer should be checking the work more thoroughly. Mistakes do happen, but mistakes like this shouldn't. I would request compensation and either sort the problems yourself or have someone else do it, never rely on workers who are putting things right themselves on their own dime as you never know if the job will end up being a rushed bodge job or a proper repair.

As a builder friend of mine said once: "There are 2 types of flat roofs, those that leak and those that are going to leak!" I've just re-roofed my utility and considered changing from flat to pitched. Went for flat but changed from cold roof with felt to warm roof an EPDM. Cost a fortune but pleased with the results!

@RagnBoneBrown

Жыл бұрын

Haha I like that! Glad to hear yours is sorted👍EPDM seems like a good choice

@notsure7874

Жыл бұрын

EPDM has its own issues. It will shrink, and pull away from any pitch transitions for one. It also degrades in UV, they don't really last much longer than a mod bit or BUR. The best solution I know of if you do have to have a flat for some reason, is a tapered insulation system, and mechanically fastened TPO or PVC with heat welded seams, but that's really costly too.

@eddjordan2399

Жыл бұрын

Like concrete

@pcatful

Жыл бұрын

Everything needs maintenance, but applying this meme to roofs is going overboard IMO.

anyone else noticed how in the first segment, his shadow on the roof looks like a (talking) dog? thanks for sharing the story and I hope it all got sorted out

Feel for you here. The lesson for all of us is, with something as fundamentally important as the roof being waterproof, always go and visually check yourself. It is always more difficult when you're friendly with your builders because it feels like your insulting them by checking their work. All of us who do do these kinds of projects have likely made this mistake.

As that was a mistake on the part of the roofing company their insurance should cover for the repair work and replacing of any materials (ie insulation) damaged by the water. I know you said he's a really nice bloke and he's admitted the mistake but it's up to him to get it resolved.

Really feel for you, water damage is horrendous , hindsight is great but If I new the roof was a problem I would have made that a priority before starting inside.

From experience I can say that, no matter how nice a workman appears to be (and hopefully in the majority of cases they are nice and not just appear to be nice!), I would make sure your home insurance includes legal expenses cover that would cover your costs should you ever need to consider legal action against a workman for any reason.

@WhatTheHellMang

Жыл бұрын

New workmen are the worst when it comes to something going wrong. It's like trying to tell off your own child.

@joynalmiah8864

Жыл бұрын

It won't help. they will just create another company and close the old one so you can't chase them. A lot of cowboy builders do this.

@lewiskelly14

Жыл бұрын

@@joynalmiah8864 which is why you should check first because they would still leave a trail of dissolved companies

@funkeybikemonkey

Жыл бұрын

Get people from personal recommendation. Not check a trade!

@simonhanney4409

Жыл бұрын

Home Insurance probably no help... I paid for Legal cover on mine, then when had a major issue with a builder they then highlighted that they don't include Small Claims Court... Or for building works... Thanks guys! What a con! :(

I feel your pain, glad to hear the builder is being cooperative on his mistakes here, not always the case!

@2icelollys1goat

Жыл бұрын

Sad to say but I reckon the roofer won't, likely, compensate or properly rectify the problem either. Hope I'm wrong

Oh my, been through that myself. It hurts. In my case I woke up to it, but I don't know what's worse - waking up to it or coming home to it. Looking forward to the next video to see the resolution.

Has the roofer never heard of tarpaulins? Roofing 101, never leave a roof unprotected, it will always rain, and that flat roof was a nightmare waiting to happen.

@stephenmatura1086

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I presume the roofer would have been fully informed why the flat roof was being changed to a pitched roof so should have been more than aware of the slope of the roof.

@Professional_Youtube_Commenter

Жыл бұрын

the sheets are waterproof, the flat roof has a slight angle to it which wasn't obvious to them and the water was sliding down under the sheets. Please watch the video to the end before commenting. I think the mistake they made was leaving the flat bit exposed, they should havv covered the entire roof.

@rogermccaslin5963

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@@Professional_KZread_Commenter Any roofer worth his salt would not need the customer to tell him about the flat roof. The water from the flat roof has to go somewhere and it should have been obvious to them when they did the work that they would need to account for that drainage. Regardless, it was a mistake that shouldn't have happened but it sounds like they are owning up to it rather than dodging any responsibility so good on them.

@Professional_Youtube_Commenter

Жыл бұрын

@@rogermccaslin5963 yeah i guess uploader is being too kind to the roofers. I would have been fuming.

@Faruk651

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@@Professional_KZread_Commenter Lol what are you talking about... So the roofers couldn't figure out that water on that flat roof had to go somewhere at some point. This is %100 roofers fault.

My heart skipped a beat when you rolled the insulation back Keith. I hope your fully compensated. Sound like you've got good honest tradesmen, just unlucky with a blooper on outside site work and not in the workshop like we are used to seeing. Tony

Good example of the saying, when remodeling work from the outside in and the top down.

There is a reason why it is required here in local building codes to always have decking and then use either a heavy saturated asphalt felt, or Better Yet is to use a heavy high temp Self-Adhering Underlayment membrane before the Tile are put on. I am sorry you had this problem. But now before you have the Tile put on, You have the Option to have any changes done that you want to.

A leaking roof is pretty much the worst thing I can imagine being a homeowner. So many additional things get damaged once it starts letting water through. I have experienced it once and I don't want that to happen again. I can feel your pain for sure. Put replacing the other roof as well higher up on your list - way better to do it sooner rather than later. Fancy and nice things comes second to knowing the house it watertight.

This is why we're replacing our roof tiles before we do any interior work in out old farmhouse that we bought in 2020. Only once the roof is completely watertight will i replace insulation, and do interior decoration.

Getting that call while out of town must have been agonizing. Wishing you both the best.

I feel, or should I say felt your pain, I was living in a log cabin and had a number of roof problems many years ago. I wish you the absolute best in getting things back in order. I enjoy your videos because of your matter of fact, just deal with life and its inconveniences nature. Looking forward to the next one with hopefully better news.

To be honest, you can never rely on unpredictable British weather. Plus roofing under felt is really a waterproof barrier, like it is but you can’t 100% rely on it, you rely on the tiles or slates. Should have got a tin hat to protect your property whilst undertaking this kind of work in the UK. Great video though!

The flat apex to the roof was probably to comply with planning restrictions on ridge height. Hope it all worked out.

Dang, it seems we all had roof issue's lately, before two weeks we had severe storm with torrential rain and major wind, wind was blowing with such force it was pushing rain back under the tiles and water find its way in the attic, luckily for me, ceiling is concrete slab so I have only one cca one square meter stain on living room celling. Hope it go well after this blow with change of roof. Looking forward to new videos!

Yeah Aussie roofer here. That sucks but lessons learned hopefully the roofer can sort it out for you. Always start renovations from the roof down. Mum always said "you got a roof over your head". Never once did she mention the walls or the nice paint.

I had a bathroom leak after finishing the ceiling below it with new plasterboard and paint, couldn't find it for ages, eventually gutted the whole bathroom and did it again. Leaks drive you mad.

I saw your video and my gut fell out. I've been anxious over a garden room being slightly damp on the floor but I would have fallen apart if this had happened to our house.

Feel sorry for you, hope it get's resolved quickly.

Ewwww. I really feel for you. I know you'll get it sorted. You have the love of a good woman and good cat behind you.

Oh man. At least your're still friends with the roofers.

@RagnBoneBrown

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they're a good bunch of guys, and mistakes will happen 👍

Urgh - been there and sympathise big time; that helpless feeling of standing in your house watching water coming through the ceiling in many places, is not good!!

Sorry to hear this - what a nightmare. I hope you get sorted quickly and the roofer makes good

Your roofer should have liability insurance for such situations, you should tell you buildings insurers. Even if you don't claim and the builder comes good.

Oh Gawd, Keith, I really feel for you and Ria. Years ago we came back from holiday to find our dining room ceiling had completely caved in from a leaking pipe in the upstairs bathroom. It’s such a shame after you did all that beautiful work. Things have got to start looking up soon.

@RagnBoneBrown

Жыл бұрын

Oh no that sounds like a nightmare! It'll all come good !

Good job you have a decent roofer. Mine disappeared with over 2 grand of my money and all of my lead- and zero work done.

@RagnBoneBrown

Жыл бұрын

Oh, sorry to hear that, that's awful

Thank you for sharing. My Dad always said, start from the top and work down. Just going into house make over, the roof is a hard one, as don't want to change the flat roof, whilst jacking and putting in new walls below. At least you had that great Robin land on your roof, bring good luck and great skills!!

One word in Australia sums it up.. 'Bugger'. I hope it all turns out right.

Wow what a job, robbin is a top bloke, love his work and way he thinks, a real master.

My heart sank for you when I saw the soaked insulation! What a nightmare!

Feel for you Keith, leaking roofs and wet ceilings are a nightmare. Hope it's sorted now.

OMG! I really feel your pain, mate! Our 300 yo log house has had water damage 3 times the last 10 years. Water damage is just the worst. Best of luck. Stay sane. Cheers.

@RagnBoneBrown

Жыл бұрын

Thank you mate!

Ah mate, I feel for you. I grew up in a flat roof council house and would be rudely woken up by water pouring in. I hope you get this sorted soon

If you look at Edinburgh rooves on google earth or maps - you will see that though from the front it looks like they have pitched rooves, behind the front rise they are flat. This technique gives the impression that the houses and tenements (flats) are not as deep as they actually are. Most of these were built between 1880 and 1920, normally with zink roofing. They last pretty well and changing them to fully pitched is not an option.

Oh man. Been there too. Looking forward to the upside.. Keep smiling Keith.

its good that your council was so helpful. in Leicester we have to pay around £200 for a pre application to find put if we need to put in a planning application, which we then have to pay to put in a planning application...

There's no sarking! And no tiles! Just felt. That isn't a mistake. The only surprise is it wasn't worse.

Glad it all can get resolved. Always a risk, taking the roof off. I remember my brother climbing on his roof in the middle of the night because of an unexpected rainstorm. The roofers would continue in the morning and they took the gamble not to cover it all, because it was blue skies all day and no change was forecast.

Something to keep in mind is mold growth, get a certified restoration specialist in your house to moisture map the building, walls and ceilings may have to be removed to get the structure dry. If this is not done then you may have considerable mold growth and health issues due to the mold

10 years after having a new roof put on our house I noticed that the ends of the fascia boards on the gables were resting on the rooftop. Further inspection revealed the ends of the fascia boards to be sponge soft and rotted despite appearing normal. I was able to cut off the rotted sections and repaint the cut ends without having to replace the fascia boards. The moral of the story is to familiarize yourself thoroughly with the trade before hiring someone to do a job and closely monitor/inspect their work to ensure that it's done correctly.

Poor you ! But your adult reaction I applaud !! Good luck with all the repair.

@RagnBoneBrown

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Well done you, it’s so nice to hear a great client who understands that sometimes shit happens. If the guys you working with also understand that they have a professional and moral responsibility to sort the problem then it can be a team effort. However so often these situations can become an nightmare for all involved. So I wish you all the best of luck

@RagnBoneBrown

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Follow up videos are in my channel now 😁

I would have thought this would have been done in the opposite order. That is, have the framers in to change the flat roof over to a pointy roof (with a temporary tarp) and then having the roofers come in to redo the roof. Of course the best would be to have both in at the same time...

@RagnBoneBrown

Жыл бұрын

Hi Jack, I think it's pretty standard to get the membrane on before doing the timberwork, based on what I've been told. But yeah, having everyone available at the same time would have been ideal! It's a shame things don't always work out like that

Do the roof first. If you can't keep a house dry when it rains don't plaster or paint until you can. A small leak does a lot of damage.

We had a re-roof this summer. When I looked to buy tiles from the manufacture I too was quoted about 6 months. When I called the local roofing yard they said they could supply next week! It seems they get regular deliveries so can supply much quicker from their stock. Maybe I got lucky but just passing on my experience. Sorry about your bad luck Keith, I had many a sleepless night when the roof was off.

Ouch, that's miserable mate. Hope it's all sorted by now or on the way to being fully sorted soon. Fair dues for putting out a video and highlighting the problems and that they're trying to rectify them instead of just calling your roofer an [insert demonetising word here]

Use this as an opportunity to make the ceiling plane airtight with a membrane under the joist, then use blow in insulation and get 400 mm of insulation up there. Any vapour open membrane and tape system will do. The other option is to go with over rafter insulation. With these tiles, you do not need to have ventilation beneath the taped plywood sheathing. The attic then becomes conditioned, and you can put mechanical systems up there (water tank/ ducts/ heat recovery system, storage etc). This increased the depth of your overhangs because of the build up on the roof, which allows for easy installation of exterior wall insulation. I can send links if you're interested. With your online presence, you could get sponsorship, I reckon.

What a nightmare.We had a water leak through our kitchen ceiling some years ago and that was stressfull enough so i can relate to your disbelief when you recieved the call regarding a leak and then finding out the full extent.Fair play to your roofer if he is going to make sure you dont lose out financially.Hope it all gets sorted asap.

The golden rule make sure the house is water tight before doing anything, you have learn't the hard way Mate, hope everything gets sorted soon for you both !!!.

M8, Whilst I'm sorry you went through this nightmare, who in their right minds goes away on holiday [even just 4 days] when their biggest asset - their home is open to the elements like this and even more so with the roof off! I know you properly don't want to hear this but as soon as you were told about the water coming in you should have put down your pina colada's and hot footed it straight home! Oh, and BTW just think about how much weight you added to your Artex'ed ceilings by having them skimmed over ... them skiny little nails they use to use back in the 30's/40's barely hold the plasterboard let alone layer after layer of additional plaster! Sad to say your best bet is to rip them all down as well as the wall plaster and start again as once water's got in and blown parts of the ceiling/wall plaster out their fecked and no amount of wishful hoping it will just 'dry out' will sort it. Lastly - you did tell your insurance company you were having this major building work done? If not I'm sure this video will do that for you. 😉 [any excuse to turn down a claim or possible future ones?]🤔

As a Canadian it is very weird for me to see a roof without a base of plywood sheets to cover it, and black paper/ waterproofing membrane over it! And then the tiles/shingles over it. Also we use slopped roof vents near the top to ventilate the attic. I know the climate is different, but having a really strong base for a roof avoid many issues with water, snow and hail.

Wow, that is a terrible situation with the water damage. I hope it all gets sorted and fixed easily.

Bless you, bless you, bless you!

The plasterboard needs replacing. The roofer has done a nice job of the roof, but should have made a temporary pitch over the flat roof (used scaffold boards for example), on which he should have put a tarp, lapping over the new breathable membrane.

As my dad used to say. Always make sure your roof is sound before doing any major work inside.

Oh my goodness. Water damage is a real pain, so sorry for you having to deal with this. Poor Ria, bet she was heartbroken seeing all that damage to your lovely home. Stay safe x

Roofing is serious stuff. Temporary protection should be checked by someone who knows what they are doing. Sorry you had to experience this. I would replace the plasterboard in the ceiling. Plywood will dry.

So sorry to see your problems. Here's hoping you get it sorted asap.

So sorry to hear, roof is always first, I'm currently doing similar, good luck. With insulation look up multi layer insulation, don't know if it helps. Think I'm lucky in this situation because I'm in the construction game I'm getting bits and pieces of everything that's thrown out, including insulation.

A dehumidifier in your downstairs rooms might be required o dry it out & prevent mold. You need some good ventilation for couple of on the too. Hope the rest of the roof project goes well & no more upsets

@RagnBoneBrown

Жыл бұрын

Thanks John, we are getting there now!

As a roofer there is no excuse for this especially not “oh it was one of the lads made a mistake”. As the boss he should check the roof at the end of each day so the buck stops with him. Knowing rain was coming the roof should of been covered with tarpaulin. Good luck.

Just found your scammer/UPS video on Facebook,sorry to hear about that, I've bounced over here to subscribe, hopefully you get a few more subs from the situation.

Rule 1: Roof and foundation work get done before ANY expensive interior works. 2: Your roofer has no excuse for letting that happen in the first place. His work should be checked daily. 3: You should never leave trades unattended for long periods of time.

Thanks for this video, can relate to the heart sinking feeling thqt you both must have, coupled with the frustrations also involved. You are right these things do happen, but it doesn't make it feel any better.

Roofers the world over must be of the same stuff. In the U.S. most are just awful. I bought a rental that was shingled and it needed repairing or reshingled. I got 7 estimates and only 1 questioned the pitch of the roof. The roof should never have been shingled due to the pitch but sometime in the past the elderly owners got taken. When I found a honest roofer to put on a metal roof he took me up and showed me all the rotten underlayment that had to be replaced. They had to replace 23 8X4 sheets and scab on some rafters as well.

I’m excited now for the next video 😮

I can tolerate a lot but leaks are the biggest no no , once had someone unscrew a bath drain thinking that’s how they emptied the bath 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ thankfully I got round there sharp and told them not to use bath in meanwhile and to never do that again I hope your guy sorts you out , nothing ever goes smoothly on any project so do t feel too bad 🙄

As a builder I would never never do internal works before roof as always leaks what ever you do - freak storm- high winds - you name it it happens when do these type of projects Strange that you didn’t do roof 1st thing what was the reason for doing it back to front

Dehumidifier !! And heat in the top floor to driva away moisture. Get airflow in the roof and vacuum away any standing water. Start spraying the wood with mould killer, it will start to mould heavy soon unfortunately

As a contractor and roofer for 3 decades; that's 100% insured damage...Hopefully the roofer is well insured...He needed WATERPROOF tarps over that membrane...It's a shame you're going through the aggravation...I'm semi retired now, it's nearly impossible to find competent tradesmen these days...Roofing requires extreme diligence, especially in a tear off...Next time; you buy a bungalow with clay tiles and a flat area; just put a metal roof, in the flat area, with a proper outlet for drainage.....:)... As if; right? Cheers.

I am sorry for what is happening to you. I hope it gets sorted soon

Because you had the roof on your to-do list and you had misgivings about the flat portion, I'm surprised that you did so much in the interior before addressing it. I'm also surprised that the roofer didn't cover the exposed area with a waterproof tarp. Once heavy rain was forecasted, a professional roofer would have been at your house making everything watertight, but this one didn't do that. I presume that he paid for all the repairs, which must have been extensive.

I'm super glad that your builder is going to make things right!!! I hope that everything goes smoothly. Mickey is very adorable 😍 💕 ❤️ and we also love the cat picture on your wall!

this once happened to me, I had one filtration on the roof that made the water drop just by my bed side, it was a nightmare, hoping rain will stop, and trying to keep the house dry. For the smell I found that an Ozonizer works great! just leave it on for as long as you can. Eventually I fixed my part of the roof, but the neighbor took longer and I still have a wall that's knackered as you would say :D good to see mickie went unharmed

@RagnBoneBrown

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Fortunately the smell has faded here now! Cheers though I know for next time 😁 yeah Mickie is happy and healthy 👍 nice to see the emoji!!

I feel sorry for your bad moment. With such a quantity of water the problem is huge, it has the capacity to flow and mold everything, wheras a small quantity of warter would probably be absorbed towards the top of the house and evaporate from there. I also feel you for the time the incident will take, drying is slow (I my understanding of the current UK energy market is that krancking the heat is also a complicated proposition), paperwork is slow, contractors are overbooked.

@RagnBoneBrown

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Thank you!

Alot of folks talking tough but this isn't a normal roof tear off and dry in. You have a stupid flat roof on top of a pitched roof and you are essentially reframing your entire roof. If a big storm hits while in progress, it is going to leak in regardless of contractor unless you set up a huge containment system over the whole project, which I'm sure you didn't have in your budget. I would have recommended just framing on top of that flat roof to match the pitch to a point . Yes it would have raised your roof height and you would have to pull a permit but you should pull a permit anyways if you hiring it out. That way after you get it sheathed you can do a normal tear off and dry in without fear and even if a storm rolls in you can just tarp it and it will be fine as it's sheathed so the tarp wont sag and let water in. I would ultimately put this on the GC (sounds like you) for not making a good plan to get the overall job done.

Man, what a way to end a family vacation. Hopefully your roofer will be able and willing to make it good. Here in the States, contractors are required to carry insurance to cover things like that.

Ah man, that’s just the worst thing to happen and so much damage. Fingers crossed it’s fixed without fuss

in this situation always do the roof first and make the building water tight before doing kitchens and bathrooms and all the inside stuff.

Similar experience myself a few weeks ago but on a much smaller scale. What a nightmare. Hope you get sorted.

I'll be damned. As you say Keith mistakes unfortunately come about. Nice that you got a chance to get it put right with the roof mate. Sadly the weather is never forgiving but alls well ends well hopefully for you both chap. Take care my friend

....FFFFFFFFFFFF. Man that sucks. Props to the roofer though for making it right by either fixing it or giving you money to have it fixed.

I feel your pain. All the best to you.

Time of year, consideration, instalation of over cover temporary roof above work area, with out, with poor planning by the roof contractor, the cost of the above will be still be less than the( long term) damage to that properly , water damage is the worst problem to cure

Here we have learned from the video creator and comments as well ..... thanks X3 for sharing your meticulously experience ..... I agree with all who said the roof would have been the priority then any remodeling underneath it ..... second I would have waterproofed the flat roof, a good roofer removes all and replaced immediately by sections .... I am a real estate broker and investor and building contractor being the most important of my capacities... but most of all I am an obsessive believer in redundancy but many do not even listen to their thoughts of wisdom.... I feel the pain of everyone involved in this house ..... there's a trend that follow bad proverbs like "no pain no gain" and where I see it I myself feel tremendous virtual pain for what it is about to happen ..... ayayay ..... Karma is rather the sad feeling of having not been able to help to prevent the sadness .... I hope this video gives many the virtual personal experience and or memory of what to not do.

God that sounds like an absolute nightmare to be honest!

there's something about long holidays, shit always happens when you do, something similar happened to us twice

Ah bugger, that sucks. Glad you seem to have a decent and honest roofer on the job otherwise this could take years to get sorted. Can't wait for the next video to drop, now. Want to see the 'good news' part of all this.

Gut wrenching to see how much water was sloshing around on top of the plasterboard Keith😩I feel for you pal, as that's a big step backwards😬

Sorry to see that. You would hope a roofer had plans to deal with this kind of thing.

Well said 😊

3:14 his shadow looks like a dog on a dingy LOL

@RagnBoneBrown

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😂😂😂