It would be great if you could post a link to the full video in these notes. sometimes I want to listen to the full discussion but have a difficult time figuring out which video it is. Thanks for all you fellas do

@vincentkvincentkyolsonop9152

Ай бұрын

It’s the one where Leighton hates Calvinism.

Flowers goes to a Baptist church. What goes through his mind when they sing songs like amazing grace and blessed assurance? I guess you would have to sing blessed occurrence.

@TheDrummaBen

3 жыл бұрын

Badum psh

@dedios03

3 жыл бұрын

Why would they not sing those things under his view God is still in control regardless and in spite of mans free will choice. God is sooo powerful and knowledgeable that he can both give free will and still have a counter for it all and even uses it all for his glory withought having to couse it all like a great master chest player.

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

@@dedios03 Because he doesn't believe his salvation is assured. Blessed assurance is a protestant Calvinist hymn.

@sf3696

2 жыл бұрын

@@billyr9162 Flowers certainly believes in the assurance of his salvation. Where did you get the idea he didn’t?

@billyr9162

2 жыл бұрын

@@sf3696 No he doesn't. He believes in himself.

My presupposition was that I was an Armenian penticostal. But I was dragged kicking and screaming and became cessationist Calvinist because I couldn't deny what scripture teaches

@PlavitPOi90

4 жыл бұрын

I am not decided yet. Can you please tell me, why are you a cessationist?

@ReformedGibberish5881

4 жыл бұрын

@@PlavitPOi90the sign gifts that affirmed the apostles message. We have now a complete cannon of scripture now. Peter said in his epistle about what he had wittinessed but then he said but we have a more sure word of prophecy which is the written word of God.if we dont believe the written word ,then there is no hope

@PlavitPOi90

4 жыл бұрын

@@ReformedGibberish5881 but I do not see, how that means, that spiritual gifts have ceased. Could in not be, like in the day of Samuel, that genuine prohetic word was just rare and not ceased?

@ReformedGibberish5881

4 жыл бұрын

@@PlavitPOi90 we arr not talking about the same gifts of the spirit. I said sign gifts. You know signs and wonders.have you seen any. I tell you. If I see any.their would have to be a few good reasons to know if they are actually from God. Satan has lieing signs and wonders

@PlavitPOi90

4 жыл бұрын

@@ReformedGibberish5881 Yeah I know, but in 1 John John tells us, that we should judge revelation by the Word of God

It's hard to believe people take Leighton seriously.

@darellpedro3443

3 жыл бұрын

But some do. And it's sad.

@truth7416

3 жыл бұрын

The Gospel has always been an offence to those who don't know God. Calvinism and wolves like White have that affect on people. TRUTH IN LOVE

@truth7416

2 жыл бұрын

@@darellpedro3443 You cannot defeat the monster of Calvinism you can only warn its victims that there is hope in Jesus.You say you follow John Calvin? The following is from the public record that cannot be wept away, its recorded history of the man you follow. THE FOLLOWING IS CALVIN'S REIN OF TERROR! John Calvin’s Bodycount… The victims are listed, followed by references, (A)…(L), the URLs of which are at the bottom. A. Execution 1. Jacques Gruet (A)”Thus the State issued dogmatic decrees, the force of which had been anticipated earlier, as when Jacques Gruet, a known opponent of Calvin, was arrested, tortured for a month and beheaded on July 26, 1547, for placing a letter in Calvin’s pulpit calling him a hypocrite. Gruet’s book was later found and burned along with his house while his wife was thrown out into the street to watch. ” (C)”Calvin cut off the head of Jacques Gruet “for having written impious letters, libertine verses, and for working to overthrow ecclesiastical ordinances.” (D)Quoting Stephan Zweig’s “The Right to Heresy”: “Jacques Gruet was racked and then executed merely for having called Calvin a hypocrite.” (E)”This regime was resisted by a party incorrectly described as ‘Libertines’, which Calvin succeeded in overcoming by force. Among the opponents executed after torture were Jacques Gruet (1547), Raoul Monnet (1549), and, best known, Michael *Servetus (1553).” (F)”Even eminent men were not safe from Calvin’s control. Jacques Gruet was beheaded for blasphemy, treason, and a threat to the ministers.” (J) 2. Giovanni Valentino Gentile (A)and(G)”Another victim of Calvin’s fiery zeal was Gentile of an Italian sect in Geneva, which also numbered among its adherents Alciati and Gribaldo. More or less Unitarian in their views, they were required to sign a confession drawn up by Calvin in 1558. Gentile signed it reluctantly, but in the upshot he was condemned and imprisoned as a perjurer. He escaped only to be twice incarcerated at Berne where, in 1566, he was beheaded.” (H) & (I) Very full accounts of Gentile 3. Michael Servetus Is much needed about him? Is there any debate about his murder? (A) (C)”Seven years before the conference which was now to take place in Calvin’s house on the proposals of the queen-mother, Michel Servet, a Frenchman, travelling through Switzerland, was arrested at Geneva, tried, condemned, and burned alive, on Calvin’s accusation, for having “attacked the mystery of the Trinity,” in a book which was neither written nor published in Geneva.” (E)(J) 4. Raoul Monnet (E) (J)page 223 “This regime was resisted by a party incorrectly described as “Libertines, which Calvin succeeded in overcoming by force.Among the opponents executed after torture were Jacques Gruet (1547), Raoul Monnet (1549), and best known, Michael Servetus (1553). By 1555, however, all resistance had ceased and Calvin was the uncontested master of the city.” 5. Others (A)”Calvin also had twenty women burned at the stake after accusing them of causing a plague that had swept through Geneva in 1545.” (A)”Calvin did not shrink from his self-appointed task. Within five years fifty-eight sentences of death and seventy-six of exile, besides numerous committals of the most eminent citizens to prison, took place in Geneva.” ( F)”A heretic who also was an anti-Trinitarian was burned at the stake.” NOTE: Probably Servetus B. Banishment (mere banishment!) 1. Castellio (A)”Gruet’s death was more highly criticized by far than the banishment of Castellio or the penalties inflicted on Bolsec - moderate men opposed to extreme views in discipline and doctrine, who fell under suspicion as reactionary.” (B) (K) Very full account of Castellio 2. Bolsec (A)(B)(F)”Jerome Bolsec, a physician who attacked Calvin’s doctrine of predestination, was banished.” (L) 3. Others (A)”Calvin did not shrink from his self-appointed task. Within five years fifty-eight sentences of death and seventy-six of exile, besides numerous committals of the most eminent citizens to prison, took place in Geneva.” A. www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm B. www.gospeltruth.net/heres…_chap5.htm C. www.worldwideschool.org/l…hap16.html D. www.dimensional.com/~randl/calvin.htm E. www.gospelcom.net/chi/HER…l047.shtml F. www.churchlink.com.au/chu…alvin.html G. www.newadvent.org/cathen/03195b.htm H. www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc…xv.xiv.htm I. online.sksm.edu/ouh/chapter/13_XIII.html J. The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church; F.L. Cross and E.A. Livingstone; Oxford University Press; K. www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc….xv.ix.htm (different page from H) L. www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc…v.viii.htm John Calvin is a man who is held up by many evangelicals as an example of the most perfect systematic theologian that ever lived. And yet it would appear that he did not even meet the basic requirements of a NT overseer/bishop as to godly character! 1 Tim 3:2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. The New Testament approach to false teachers is the precise opposite of what Calvin’s modus operandi was: 2 Tim 2:24 The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses {and escape} from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will. As to the relationship of his doctrine to his practice, as he plainly taught that everything that happens is God’s will (I can provide the quotes if you would like), then it necessarily follows that he considered everything he did as God’s will, even having his detractors beheaded, burned at the stake, or banished. I’m saying that one’s theology inevitably works out in one’s practice, and this was all too apparent in the life of John Calvin. If I had someone who disagreed with my theology put to death (had I the political power Calvin had), would I be qualified to teach the Word of God? One’s actions don’t have any bearing on the authenticity of one’s teaching? It seems to me that we should hold ANY theologian to the same moral standard as any other teacher in the body of Christ. john@revivaltheology.net Today CULTS work like this: If you talk to a MORMON about their founder Joseph Smith who invented the movement in 1820. If you were to say that it is heresy for Joseph Smith to say that Jesus was just an ordinary man like any man, that then evolved into a god who then created this universe. And he also teaches that all men will evolve to god hood and then create their own universes. They and their wives will then create and populate that universe by their off spring. The first thing they do is...... DEFEND THE FOUNDER!! DEFEND HIS DISCIPLES !! If you talk to a JEHOVAH WITNESS about their founder Charles Taze Russell who invented the movement in 1870. If you were to say that it is heresy for Charles Russell to say that Jesus was really Michael the Arch Angel that came to earth and became Jesus for a period of time and is now back being an Angel. The first thing they do is..... DEFEND THE FOUNDER!! DEFEND HIS DISCIPLES!! If you talk to a MUSLIM about their founder Muhammad who invented the movement in 570 AD. If you were to say that it is heresy Muhammad to say that Jesus was just a minor prophet and not God in the flesh. The first thing they do is.... DEFEND THE FOUNDER!! DEFEND THE HIS DISCIPLES!! If you talk to a CALVINIST about their founder John Calvin who invented the movement in 1536. If you were to say that it is heresy for John Calvin to say Quote "God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) "QUICK DEFEND THE FOUNDER NO MATTER HOW EVIL IT SOUNDS!" TRUTH IN LOVE

@truth7416

2 жыл бұрын

I have never attacked a single Christian in my 42 years of being BORN AGAIN at age 28. I encourage and support anyone who is leading the lost to Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins. I encourage people to TURN from their sins to the Lord who is waiting for them. By their own free will, because they desire it. But show me a Doctrine of demons that comes between God and the object of His love, every precious human being He will ever create and I will be all over it with very ounce of strength the Lord has given me to expose and hammer it into the ground where it belongs. Calvinism and Deformed Theology is just that type of Cult. The most dangerous cult at that, as it has gained acceptance as a christian denomination which it is not! Its another gospel! Its nonsense like talking to a Jehovah Witness about Jesus being God and not just an angel as they say. They will harp on one verse endlessly as proof Jesus is a created being. If they took their Jehovah glasses off they would see the truth clearly! Its nonsense like talking to a Mormon who says it makes no sense to them to say that Jesus is God. They say He was just an evolved human being and that they will also become a god like him some day. They to harp on one or two verses. But is they take off their Mormon glasses they to would be able to see clearly that they believe a lie. Its nonsense to you because you have your Calvinist glasses on. Take them off and you will see clearly that you have been believing a lie and defending a lie. Truth is: John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. and: 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. TRUTH IN LOVE

@theworldisharvested

2 жыл бұрын

@@truth7416 The man centered traditions that you exhibit are not new. I hope one day you can reject the idolatry of the human will and accept the sovereignty of God.

The Reformation is part of History. Calvin did not make a new doctrine but all he did is referring to the early church fathers like John Chrysostom, against the heresies of the Catholic church However I gladly give you some Bible text Words like “predestined - predestinated - foreknowledge - elect - election - foreordained” appear with regularity and are always the basis for Pauline teaching on salvation. When someone denies personal predestination from before the foundation of the World” it shows that they have never really stood toe-to-toe with the Bible and read it for what it actually says. The staunchest brick wall opposition to deny the truth of God’s word is always built on traditions of men; never on the clear word of Scripture. Our fleshly, human ego just loves the idea that our “will” is totally at liberty. Yet, the Bible tells us that we are “dead in trespasses and sins.” Human tradition refuses to believe that. And Biblical salvation is always based on God’s free and sovereign grace, Only His will and His good pleasure; NEVER on our willingness first and God’s grace last. Again, human tradition refuses to believe that. Exodus 33:19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The Lord.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. Matthew 20:23 He said to them, “You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.” Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.” Matthew 25:34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. Mark 13:20 And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days. John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. John 17:9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. Romans 8:28-30 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. Romans 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.” 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. Romans 11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, Ephesians 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will. Ephesians 1:11-12 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 1 Peter 1:2 According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you. 1 Peter 1:20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you Galatians 1:15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, 1 Thessalonians 1:4 For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, Revelation 13:8 And all who dwell on earth will worship it, ( So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast) everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. Revelation 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more. Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan WILL BE released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. “WILL BE” means it will happen BECAUSE of God’s Decree. Why now release Satan to deceive the nations? This lifetime is short and Hell is forever. Would you rather be presumptuous and not find out the truth. Never Lost is Never Saved. How much FREE-WILL do people in Thailand have with 93% practicing Buddhist and 5.5% Islam 1.5% divided in no religion and Christians? To be born & raised a Buddhist only a miracle from our Sovereign Lord can change the heart of a person. If God wanted all to be saved all would be saved. The old covenant was for Israel only. The new covenant does not have limitation to certain people.

Leighton Flowers is no Church historian makes everyone seem southern baptist that's why him and Ken Wilson must over look the fathers writing on baptismal regeneration (which I don't believe), gift of faith, original sin. I try to be honest regarding the fathers, sadly the other side can't, shows how wrong they are. Their followers barely read credible Church historians hence why they believe Ken's claims. You read the Sot101 comments on youtube BARELY mention the fathers, they're against anything got to do with Augustinian-Calvinism, blindes by their hatred.

@nhlanhlabuthelezi6289

4 жыл бұрын

Biblical Theology can you help and refer to fathers writings or right historians to read

@reformedcatholic457

4 жыл бұрын

@@nhlanhlabuthelezi6289 Read Jaroslav Pelikan, J.N.D. Kelly and Philip Schafd online for free, hope that helps.

Does Leighton sing about Amazing Choice Meats at his church?

@throwawaypt2throwawaypt2-xp8nx

7 ай бұрын

yes it's actually hymn number 431, wonderful hymn if u ever read it :)

Glad to know that Leighton Flowers understands the Old Testament better than the Apostle Paul. LOL

Men like Flowers are just so superficial. They talk a lot and say little.

@CCShorts

2 жыл бұрын

Have you heard The Consistent Calvinism Podcast yet? He responds to Leighton Flowers. If you haven’t heard it yet, here is one of the CCShorts I made as a preview… Leighton Proves Himself To Be Inconsistent kzread.info/dash/bejne/o5mTtsOcoNPSe6w.html

@Roger-il8iw

2 жыл бұрын

You haven’t watched any of his content have you

@lordjared2572

10 ай бұрын

​@@Roger-il8iw I have and I confirm

Flowers going down the deceitful path. Hmm. If flowers continues like this he probably goes apostate.

@apilkey

3 жыл бұрын

No quite the opposite actually. James White and his followers are on the path to destruction that exalts itself against the knowledge and truth of God’s Word. Praying you come out of your bondage before it’s too late 🙏🙏

@coryalbright9798

3 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey pretty crazy to see comments like that. Pot and kettle I guess

@apilkey

3 жыл бұрын

@Rod Evans I believed on the Lord Jesus Christ that’s how.

@apilkey

3 жыл бұрын

@Rod Evans You never asked for a testimony and I never said it was a testimony.

@randalregal2814

3 жыл бұрын

yes that is what I think

What kind of Fruit is on my Tree?

I enjoyed the White/Flowers debate yesterday. Make sure you watch the whole debate. You don't need one of these debators misrepresenting the others POV on their podcast.

Leighton never stops. For the last 10 years it been his life's mission and obsession to defeat Calvinism and to personally destroy you but he's failed every time. What a joke he is. Must be Rome's picked opposition.

@beautifulfeetpreachingsc

3 жыл бұрын

Kelli, I have thought the exact same thing. There is another guy but haven’t seen any vids pop up who’s life mission it seems is to destroy Calvinism and drag GOD down so they can “manage” HIS sovereignty.

@apilkey

3 жыл бұрын

He hasn’t failed at all there countless stories of people coming out of the bondage of Calvinism and being set free from the false gospel of Calvinism. He’s contending for the faith that was once delivered. Calvinism is NOT what was first delivered.

@beautifulfeetpreachingsc

3 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey I don’t label myself but you would consider me a Calvinist and in no way do I sense that I am in bondage. What Flowers and anyone who despises the sovereignty of GOD is doing is showing how prideful they are and in essence are saying I will not have GOD rule over me in the way the Bible describes, only in the areas that I approve of. Set aside your pride Aaron and you will see the beauty of the LORDS grace.

@apilkey

3 жыл бұрын

@@beautifulfeetpreachingsc Despise the sovereignty of God? Nice try. *You can’t just hi-Jack the definition of sovereignty and give it our own definition to fit your beliefs.* *Sovereignty does NOT mean determinism, it means GOD IS IN CONTROL and His ability to do whatever He wants.* Sovereignty is translated from “LORD, LORD” and is not even found once in the KJV! (It’s only found in the ESV 3 times). Reformers wrongly define the concept of divine sovereignty as meaning “meticulous deterministic control over ever thing, including the evil intentions of creatures.” The scriptures simply never teach this concept. Instead, divine sovereignty is reflected as God’s ability to do whatever He is pleased to do (Ps. 115:3) even if that may include giving the world over to creature’s free dominion (Ps. 115:16). You can make up your own definition of sovereignty all day long but scripture won’t bend to it and the dictionary is not going to re-write itself on your behalf either.

@apilkey

3 жыл бұрын

@@beautifulfeetpreachingsc My pride was set aside when I humbled myself and cried out to Jesus Christ to set me free and He saved me. When you set aside your pride and realize Jesus Christ didn’t just die for you and a select group of elitists, then you will truly know God’s Grace. There’s no grace in Calvinism only false Grace and false humility. The only reason for boasting and pride would be that you were unconditionally chosen over someone else. I can’t think of a better reason to boast.

The Calvinist children's hymn: "Jesus loves me, this I know. As for you, I don't think so. Only some to Him belong. We are right and you are wrong. Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! But I hope this isn't effervescent grace that I'm walking in and instead I'm actually deceived and one of the reprobates that He created to burn as a candle for His glory in Hell forever."

@andrewdressler6173

3 жыл бұрын

Is this really how you spend your time, misrepresenting the views of others? Thats not what I believe as a Calvinist. Honestly are does that glorify God to treat people like that?

@truth7416

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewdressler6173 .But heresy and anti gospel teaching is DEATH. Calvinism is death to their followers. It is a doctrine of demons. When they deny this they have exposed themselves for who they are. Never met a Calvinist that can read and agree with these simple to understand verses. Its like trowing a bucket of water on the wicked witch of the north in OZ. They emediately have to start with their word twisting to conform to calvins cult teachings. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. TRUTH IN LOVE

@gavinescudero2787

2 жыл бұрын

@@truth7416 as a Calvinist, I LOVE both of those verses. Both of them have actually ministered to me in my darkest hours..

@truth7416

2 жыл бұрын

@@gavinescudero2787 Interesting that you can't call yourself a Christian? Why is that? You say you follow John Calvin! You are a Calvinist! A man is what he says he is. You are as you said a Calvinist. Therefore you must say what you are told to say. TRUTH IN LOVE

@ogmakefirefiregood

2 жыл бұрын

@@truth7416John 1:12-13 John 3:5-8. Acts 13:44-48 Truth in Love.

Flowers really doesn’t believe that Salvation is of the Lord

@BPond7

7 ай бұрын

Just as God decreed, right?

This is pitiful Dr. White. Pitiful.

Dr. James White has a more mature biblical worldview than Leighton Flowers hands down as well as many others.

@apilkey

3 жыл бұрын

No hands down he does not. There’s nothing Biblical about reformed theology. You are deceived.

@randalregal2814

3 жыл бұрын

yes

It comes back to mans pride and the myth of free will.

@stevensingleton1855

3 жыл бұрын

If free will doesn't exist then explain why and how Christ rewards the believer for his/her work done in the faith?

@beautifulfeetpreachingsc

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevensingleton1855 first, how do you define “free will.” My Bible reads that mankind is a slave to sin hence the will in regards to this is not free.

@beautifulfeetpreachingsc

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevensingleton1855 We have the freedom to make choices but the follower of CHRIST is a slave to CHRIST and thus we do what HE desires us to do. Remember what JESUS said, “If you love ME, obey my commands.

@stevensingleton1855

3 жыл бұрын

@@beautifulfeetpreachingsc well in regards to the definition of free will is that we have a freedom to choose between life and death. Blessing or cursing, to follow God or to follow sin. As the the Father beckons and as the Spirit convicts, the Lord by His infinite wisdom and merciful grace has given us a conscience, His Word and His church to proclaim that man has a duty to fear Him, serve Him and worship Him. My Bible says the same thing brother, but what I'm saying is that He made us free to choose. Do we believe or not? Not that our will saves us but we cry out to Him for salvation and He promises to save us. Then He gives us the Spirit to help us and enable us to obey His commandments. We do nothing to save us. I don't believe faith is a work, because we all have faith even the pagans have faith. It's a natural part of who we are to have faith, so we feel the conviction of God and we by faith cry out to God or we don't & die in sin. Now free will, accounts for the faithful service given to God by a Christian and why at the Bema Seat we receive rewards for our work as Christians whether good or bad. Consistent Calvinism drawn to it's full conclusion says there's no free will or free choice, which respectfully isn't in the Bible.

@beautifulfeetpreachingsc

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevensingleton1855 thank you for explaining. You have no idea how many times people side step a question. I would be considered a Calvinist and I would say I do have freedom to make choices as I do not feel or sense I am being coerced in any way but I also cannot get away nor do I want to about the sovereignty of GOD. Am I ok knowing that HE has decreed all things in the course of my life? Absolutely because that is what HIS word teaches. Job discovered that and I ask you to look at 23:14. Of course it is in the context starting with what took place in chapters 1&2. I also consider Joseph and HIS brothers and Joseph’s famous saying to his brothers, what you (freedom to make choices) meant for evil GOD meant for good (GOD’S sovereignty and decreed will).

​ @Billy R Hi Billy. Sorry I didn't get it. Please copy and send it again please. It sounds like you are sure you are one of the Elected for Heaven by what you have been saying. So here are the direct point blank honest questions again. How do you know you are one of the Elect? What did your life look like before you were regenerated and had no faith? What did your life look like after you were regenerated and had faith? At what age in your life did the regeneration happen? How do you feel knowing that you are chosen for heaven and most people are condemned to Hell ? TRUTH IN LOVE

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

The last time I answered the question for you I told you to write it down. Now here you are asking it again as if I've never told you.

@truth7416

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyr9162 I did look it over and this is the truth of the matter. Calvinists aren't elect and and are not saved. Christians are Christians! Calvinists are Calvinists! Mormons are Mormons! They are deaf and blind, preaching an ant-gospel . A Doctrine of demons.You are in a Cult! The Calvinist children's hymn: "Jesus loves me, this I know. As for you, I don't think so. Only some to Him belong. We are right and you are wrong. Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! But I hope this isn't effervescent grace that I'm walking in and instead I'm actually deceived and one of the reprobates that He created to burn as a candle for His glory in Hell forever." Gods heart on salvation and the real Gospel of Jesus Christ for those who choose to hear is: 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants ALL ALL ALL people to be saved and to COME COME COME to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for ALL ALL ALL people. Calvinist god followers say that their god blinds the eyes of the Non-elect so they cannot see or understand the gospel. Yet it is they who have been blinded by Satan. Satan has blinded the eyes of those who are perishing. Satan leads the whole World astray. Nothing makes people hate God faster than Calvinism. Nothing turns people into Atheists faster than Calvinism! Nothing kills hope and love faster than Calvinism! Yet they are wise in their own eyes and lost in their souls and hearts. They gather around themselves those who speak the same lie! Wake up and turn to God who loves you . "Repent and be Baptized before your life is spent and there is no more hope for you! This can be the day of your salvation. In Love!

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

@@truth7416 No that wasn't my answer.

@truth7416

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyr9162 How do you know when the Devil speaks? It always starts something like this....... Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” GENESIS 3: 3 "DID GOD REALLY SAY?" Satan speaks through Calvinists the same way today! "DID GOD REALLY SAY?" For God so loved THE world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 "DID GOD REALLY SAY?" This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants ALL people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for ALL people. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 "DID GOD REALLY SAY?" For I take no pleasure in ANYONE'S death, declares the Lord GOD. So repent and live! Ezekiel 18:32 "DID GOD REALLY SAY?" Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. Isaiah 45:22 I say this to satan and all his children of the anti-Gospel of Reformed Calvinism. YES! YES! YES! YES! HE DID! YOUR FOOLISHNESS BASED ON MANS WISDOM WILL NOT STAND AGAINST IT! REPENT and be BAPTIZED for the forgiveness of your sins and you will be saved. Calvinism has no salvation in it, for it is just another cult pretending to be a branch of Christianity. TRUTH IN LOVE

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

@@truth7416 The truth is the opposite of what you said. That's how you know the devil. He says what you just said.

Leighton clearly lives rent free in James White's head.

@johnmyers3450

9 ай бұрын

You clearly haven't watched the video. The unmute button is at the bottom left. You should click it first before commenting.

@sooner1867

9 ай бұрын

Oh I had the volume on. White is clearly flustered by Dr. Flowers. White is in an untenable position as are all followers of John Calvin.@@johnmyers3450

@EthanSnyder-zk5ov

18 күн бұрын

Well heck if the case, then Leighton flat out pays Calvinism to live in his head. Leighton has become nothing more than Arminian Buzz Feed. "Five questions Calvinists don't want you to ask!"

Leighton is a #tryhard. He still hasn’t gotten over the Romans 9 debate. He still persists in asking for a rematch though soundly refuted and repeatedly dismissed.

@apilkey

3 жыл бұрын

There was nothing that was soundly refuted except for the false gospel of Calvinism that James White promotes.

@pateunuchity884

3 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey Leighton is terrified. Perhaps the chanting from his adoring masses will drown out the pangs of defeat eventually. Meanwhile it is easy to see the debate is something he will never get over. #feelsbad

@apilkey

3 жыл бұрын

@@pateunuchity884 Truth doesn’t lose debates. Truth always prevails whether you see that or not. Everyone blinded to the truth obviously thinks White “won.”

@pateunuchity884

3 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey Big talk Aaron. I’m sure everyone who’s not one team #leightonflowers is pure eViL! Do your self a favor and get some perspective.

@apilkey

3 жыл бұрын

@@pateunuchity884 has absolutely nothing to do with Leighton not quite sure why you’re soo obsessed with him. It has everything to do with Jesus Christ of Nazareth and His ignored Word. I’m team Jesus Christ. He’s my perspective.

Oh give up already mr 💐

@apilkey

3 жыл бұрын

Praying he continues to expose the lies of Calvinism top the day he dies 🙏🙏

@pateunuchity884

3 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey Leighton lies about Calvinism. He even states he teaches Calvinism better than most. Lol #stopgetsomehelp

@coryalbright9798

3 жыл бұрын

@@pateunuchity884 no. Calvinists just don't like calvinism explained without the preffered double talk.

@pateunuchity884

3 жыл бұрын

@@coryalbright9798 Nah son, Leighton is perpetually misrepresenting Calvinism. It’s kinda sad really. Especially when you consider his own Baptist movement originated as Calvinist and currently has a movement to restore its roots. Maybe he should consider where he stands lest he falls. He has even declared allegiance with Open Theists over his own denomination. Smh

@coryalbright9798

3 жыл бұрын

@@pateunuchity884 tell me one misrepresentation of calvinism by leighton and why it's an actual misrepresentation. Just one.

James White are you saved because you are trusting in Christ or because you are trusting in Christ PLUS being a Calvinist?

I don’t like to say this, but it appears Flowers at times does not tell the truth.

so Flowers said he left calvinism because he got a PhD he received more earth wisdom so he understands God better??? wow that is a total falsehood

@ronneff5894

2 жыл бұрын

Typical Calvinist misrepresentation.

@randalregal2814

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronneff5894 typical arminian unbelief

@ronneff5894

2 жыл бұрын

@@randalregal2814 Typical blind response of a Calvinist that parrots the company line of Calvinism who can't think for himself. Do you realize that you are making a 17th century argument by calling those who disagree with Calvinism? To continue to label those who reject Calvinism as "Arminian" shows that you are blindly repeating what you leaders tell you to believe. You don't bother to read up on what others actually believe. Your thinking is not different than those in a cult. You have the same type of reasoning. You simply read what the group writes and then blindly repeats while not bothering to find out what others actually believe and thus slander their character by self-righteously calling them "Arminian". Have you actually read anything by Arminius or Pelagius? Their writings actually do exist.

@randalregal2814

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronneff5894 do you realize you have a reprobate mind and cannot receive the truth of the scripture because your fleshly carnal mind always get in the way

@ronneff5894

2 жыл бұрын

@@randalregal2814 No I do not have a reprobate mind. You have a perverted mind from the false spirit of Calvinism that infects those who adhere to what it teaches and causes people to pervert the scripture. I doesn't matter if you don't identify as a calvinist, you still have been perverted by that same spirit. It's the Holy Spirit that has shown me the proper way to understand. You've been taught falsely.

Both of these men of God live rent free in each others head.

@Sting79

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, Flowers has dedicated his career to anti-Calvinism. Dr White handles a far wider range of subjects and usually responds when others send him clips of Leighton.

@williamwrightjr.2765

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sting79 That is true. Dr. White has also done many debates on many topics, although I find his debate skills lacking. I am a huge fan of Leighton Flowers and consider him a hero of the faith. One of my only two (living) heroes of the faith. I now consider myself a provisionist. I do wish Dr. White would be a bit more congenial to Leighton, but perhaps the perceived threat is so great that he struggles. I also wish Leighton would branch out a tiny bit on other subjects, but I can't think of a man in the past century who has done more to show the theological errors of Calvinism than Leighton Flowers. Not to mention his immense reach. I love both these men and pray God richly blesses their lives, family, and ministries. Most of all, I pray that God uses these men for His Glory, and for the advance the Kingdom.

@Sting79

3 жыл бұрын

@@williamwrightjr.2765 Mr. Flowers has shown exactly zero error in the doctrine of grace. All he has is his analogies to lean on. I pray for his soul because he’s going to end up open theist if he keeps going.

@williamwrightjr.2765

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sting79 Well, first off, why isn't he an open theist already? (Btw, he has spoken ad nauseum about Calvinists accusing him of being an open theist and explained his position which is nothing like open theism) Secondly, because he believes God gives men free will, he's going to end up an open theist or in danger of it? The more I listened to Leighton the more I found out that Dr. White is a Hyper-Calvinist, as are you I presume? It certainly sounds like it. From my point of view, if God has to predetermine every single action since the beginning of time to know the future, then that raises awful, awful theories about the nature of God. If you have listened to Leighton Flowers then you probably know what I'm talking about. It's almost as if my Calvinist friends cannot understand how God can know the future without predetermining it. From our puny perspective, I can sort of see the logic behind it. But God is the greatest conceivable Being who exists outside of time and space. I do hope that at the very least you're not one of those Calvinists who think I'm destined for hell because of my Soteriology. Thanks for the response.

@oracleoftroy

3 жыл бұрын

@@williamwrightjr.2765 _"Well, first off, why isn't he an open theist already?"_ I'm not sure that Leighton is an Open Theist, but in an interview with Mike Winger he said he felt that Calvinism was far more dangerous to the Church than Open Theism (Mike disagreed), and he seems to be very buddy buddy with open theists, even has some moderating his site. Given that Leighton is in the SBC, it would be politically awkward for him to openly admit to being an open theist as they openly reject that view, but I'm not convinced that Leighton is much more than sympathetic to the view. I'm more concerned that Leighton is a Pelagian given that his denials always dance around the core issue and he has affirmed in the past that he thinks our free will is like that of Adam and Eve pre-fall. I'd love to see him walk through the Canons of Orange and explain what he accepts and rejects. _"Secondly, because he believes God gives men free will, he's going to end up an open theist or in danger of it?"_ No, all Christians, including Reformed Christians, affirm free will (see Westminster Confession chapter 9 for a good overview of the Calvinist position). _"The more I listened to Leighton the more I found out that Dr. White is a Hyper-Calvinist, as are you I presume?"_ How do you define Hyper-Calvinist? White is not a hyper-Calvinist by the typical definition of that word. _"From my point of view, if God has to predetermine every single action since the beginning of time to know the future, then that raises awful, awful theories about the nature of God."_ God is creator. God isn't forced to follow a script of what is going to happen. He makes it. He knows what will happen because he knows all there is to know and so he knows the consequences of creating the universe a particular way and interacting in particular ways in his creation. Are you an open theist? Your wording here suggests that you are at least leaning that way. _" It's almost as if my Calvinist friends cannot understand how God can know the future without predetermining it."_ God doesn't merely know what is going to happen in a universe he discovered one day during a morning scroll. He made it, designed it, shaped it to suit his purposes. God is creator, and God wasn't ignorant of what he was creating. You seem to have this idea that God didn't make the universe, some other god or force or demiurge did, and God just happens to know what will happen in some other god's universe. _"I do hope that at the very least you're not one of those Calvinists who think I'm destined for hell because of my Soteriology."_ I've heard this from more anti-Calvinists than from Calvinists. Looking at comments on channels like this, there is concern that others are unbiblical or wrong, but Leighton's channel is full of how we are going to hell, we worship devils, and more vile accusations. Christianity isn't a free for all, of course; there are core beliefs that one must accept or why bother calling yourself a Christian; but there is a lot of wiggle room for disagreement within the historic creeds and confessions that have always united the Church.

Church father's are the apostles only. From there, the foundation already laid, others do likewise. There are no church father after them. Anybody who claims to be is a thief and a robber.

Calling his channel, which is obsessed with opposing the Christian doctrines of the reformed Church, "Soteriology 101" is indeed putting himself up as the expert; then he is absolutely negligent in regard to intellectual sincerity. Do not many of you desire to become teachers.

Calvinists, please tell me how an unconditionally elect person knows/becomes aware of the fact that he's elect? I cannot get any calvinist to give an answer to this question which would seem to confirm this doctrine is unbiblical

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

I take it you never sang the song blessed assurance in your church. Do you even go to church? What about Jesus loves me? Do you sing that song in your church? You would have to sing Jesus loves me this I hope?

@coryalbright9798

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyr9162 the bait and switch isnt going to work.

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

@@coryalbright9798 Answer your own question. How does the unconditional elect person know and become aware of the fact they are elect? You answer it.

@coryalbright9798

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyr9162 there is no one unconditionally elected to salvation. If you've got to run from a simple question about the main point of your theology perhaps that should be a hint..

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

@@coryalbright9798 If there is no unconditionally elected people then why did you ask that question?

Flowers is a joke

@johndisalvo6283

3 жыл бұрын

White is a cartoon strip.

@randalregal2814

3 жыл бұрын

Flowers is a joke I agree

@kreefoster

2 жыл бұрын

Calvinism is a joke. God does not decree murder. Rape, holocaust and the like. Calvinism is a man's idea of God, not the God of the Bible.

@randalregal2814

2 жыл бұрын

@@kreefoster clearly you do not know the bible or God you are the joke go home and read your bible

@kreefoster

2 жыл бұрын

@@randalregal2814 I clearly know God is Holy and Calvinism makes God the author of all evil.

These comments and this guy wow! He clearly is bringing Calvinism to everything coming out of his mouth!!!

@nickolascook744

5 ай бұрын

Calvinism lives rent free in Leightons mind

The two of you, James and Leighton, please stop answering each other via picking and choosing comments from the other. Suck it up, guys, put aside hatred and lovingly 'debate' each other. Please stop this form of catching each other in wrong sayings. In my puny mind, the Gospel of Jesus and the eternal souls of the lost, is not furthered by this kind of stuff.

@Mike-qt7jp

10 ай бұрын

I agree. These two need to get together and have an honest debate.

@dustincampbell4835

10 ай бұрын

They did have a debate.

Flowers is destroying, obviously destroying this long standing intellectual bully... it’s hysterical actually. Flowers feels like a man who knows God. White just always postures like a member of the intelligentsia. Flowers is destroying this heterodoxy on the regular! Go flowers-- when White is cornered he gets bullish... funny stuff!

@randalregal2814

3 жыл бұрын

your crazy and just plain wrong

James White being consistent in misrepresentation. At 20 seconds you can see that he COMPLETELY misses the point of what Leighton Flowers is saying. I'm wondering if it's on purpose or if he really is blinded. He misses the point in that Flowers is trying to point out the attitude of James White imposing Calvinistic understandings onto those in the past. Flowers is not in any way saying that James White said that people in the past were Calvinists. There's no reason to watch any more than 20 seconds. When White can't even understand the point of what Leighton Flowers is trying to say in the beginning then you know that everything after that will be off.

@RuminantHairdo

Жыл бұрын

Not what I heard or seen. Flowers did exactly what White had said.

See the last comment below…please don’t even give this guy the time of day. Is there anyone in academia who takes leighton seriously? He appeals to peoples sensitivities. That’s it

Here is absolute Biblical proof that God does NOT cause or determine everything; In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I DID NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it." So, as a Calvinist, do you really believe that God arbitrarily creates some people for one reason; to burn for eternity in hell.

@objectivereality1392

10 ай бұрын

"do you really believe that God arbitrarily creates some people for one reason; to burn for eternity in hell." God isn't the reason the unelect go to hell. Adam and Eve are. Nobody deserves heaven because of THEIR actions. Therefore, It's a miracle God elected anyone to join him there. But instead of being grateful for that miracle, some would rather accuse people of believing God "created some people to burn in hell". This is not a Calvinist position. It's a strawman. Understand that which you argue against.

If Calvinism is true, it means that God creates disposable people, people without any hope,” “It means that God not only allows, but micro-manages and sovereignly ordains, every war and every abortion and every rape of a child. It means that Calvin’s god does not love the world; he hates it because it is full of “totally depraved” individuals having apparently created us that way for his own glorification, or is it for his amusement? If Calvinism is true , it means that if that dying child that you held in your arms was not among the elect, then God did not love her. He never had any intention of loving her. She was nothing to Him. In fact, he would delight and find glory in her eternal torture in hell.” Who are really created in the image of then, God or satan? “And whenever I raise these points with Calvinists, all they can say is that I should be more grateful for my own salvation! It’s like, ‘as long as my eternal destiny is secure, as long as my life is all planned out and taken care of by God, who gives a damn about family, friends or anyone else!’ How can you be okay with that? How can anyone be okay with that? Why do I feel find this heresy morally offensive?” Only the devil should be at ease with such an abomination! According to Calvinism the lost hate God because God first hated them. They won't say it that way, but that's what it boils down to. Romans 16 : 17 I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.

@western_eagle

11 ай бұрын

I think your grossly misunderstanding the depth to which sin goes. Without God's general benevolence and control of man via his conscious; creation; limits placed on him via decrees every city would be worse than Sodom; worse than Gomorra. were there not babies in those cities? Did not God promise he would spare it if they found but 10 innocent people? He did not find 10 innocent did he? Or what about before the flood God saw all his creation and choose only to spare Noah's family! were there not babies in the world God punished with a flood? We only see a fraction of man in his most diabolical sense. Man is not merely wounded or hindered by sin, he is dead in it. Election does not make you special; remember what God told Moses 7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: 8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. I tell you the difference between me or you and Hitler or me or you and Jeffrey Domer is not as wide as you think. How do you account for a man as evil as Paul persecuting and stoning to death Christians being chosen by God to be an apostle to the Gentiles; yet Solomon with all his perfected wisdom falling into tyranny and Pagan Idolatry for which God judged Israel with division? At least Armenians thought they had to have an answer to these things before presuming to speak on them; Flowers makes it up as he goes and rather than answering he diverts, attacks, or obfuscates to what aboutism arguments, more of his videos attack Calvinism than explain 'Provisionism'. He has been at it for 8 years now so he has gotten good at saying the right things and the topic has not humbled him yet and his followers are entirely made up of those disillusioned by the poor answers their churches give them on the hard teachings of the Bible and who want a God they can mold to suit the tastes of their unbelieving friends; such teachers are always popular. That is why James White and Matt Slick force him to define things he does not want to define; thus they expose his many hypocrisies and misrepresentations and his syncretisms with worldly philosophies. How much arrogance do you have to have to really believe your presenting something new to a 400 year discussion? No Im afraid our friend Flowers is the only one bringing divisions. I will give a more straightforward answer; when you deny the sovereignty of God, you deny he has a right to judge you and when you do that how can you possibly begin to understand his gospel of which your salvation depends if you don't understand the great power of sin on men from which the cross frees us. By all means make use your supposed "free-will" to make up whatever fluffy God you want; you will ultimately only make a God of your own imagination. A moppy Sky daddy who does not control anything. A Negligent God is an absent God and is the God of Deists, Universalists and all manner of unhumbled Men. I will stick to believing the God of the Bible; a God who controls this world and saw to save a sinner like me You want real Calvinism rather than a Strawman of Flower's presents; read Dort or the WCF - Verses attached www.wscal.edu/about-wsc/doctrinal-standards/canons-of-dort westminsterstandards.org/westminster-confession-of-faith/ Or watch this documentary - it will at least give you some basics on which to start to understand it. kzread.info/dash/bejne/nWSIpduLg6uyhto.html

@truth7416

11 ай бұрын

@@western_eagle But Your one of the elect? Right? Funny how those that slander God's love for all of mankind always are!

@Mike-qt7jp

10 ай бұрын

Here is absolute Biblical proof that God does NOT cause or determine everything; In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I DID NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it." So, as a Calvinist, do you really believe that God arbitrarily creates some people for one reason; to burn for eternity in hell.@@western_eagle

@-Spotnik

6 ай бұрын

Straw man after straw man this replies and uses verse without context. "Oh this one verse in the Bible trump over twenty verses that God do have authority over this creation"

@truth7416

6 ай бұрын

@@-Spotnik Calvinites invented strawmaning! What else can they say! Well often they will revert to the old list in the Calvinite hand book. To every one attacking or calvi-god just call them ....... “you must be a Roman Catholic.” “thats how ignorant you are.” “is why you arent saved,” “you heretic.” “YOU LOSE,” “SORRY Heretic,” “take your freewill to HELL” “Your Ignorant” “Incredible your ignorance.” “freewill zombie” “Flower groupie” “your god is an Idol” “will send you straight to Hell.” “you are willfully ignorant” “a happy heretic” “on the way to the The very LITERAL Hell” “You flower cult grupies” “bunch of tools.” “You are a lost HERETIC” “You are rebellious” “You lost pagan heretics” “agents of Satan” “give it up you HERETIC,” “you look like a fool” “ and sound like a fool.” “you are an ignorant parrot” “you are a Palagian,” “You are a heretic repackaged in a new era” “you have zero knowledge of church history” “like minded heretics.” “reformers would rebuke you” “Your biblical ignorance is amazing.” “your unsaved.” “you lose against Gods word.” “you’re a tool.” “You cultural Christians are kooks.” “you are truly a reprobate apostate.” “Like I said junior” “heretic,” “you would be kissing the popes ring” “God is void in you.” “your real heart and ignorance shows as a heretic.” “You are so far from the CHRISTIAN Faith it’s scary” “Stop trying to make God a liar” “Your religion is a man man fictional movie” “WHY does your sinful heart want to share or steal GODS GLORY?” “ you don’t even know what SOVEREIGN means,,,” “ that’s how lost you are.” “That sounds so stupid to the ears of a believer, but it rings true to you...scary.” “ Listen up junior,” “Your god is an idol, fashioned after man.” “ Your God is NOT SOVEREIGN.” “ You like the perverted culture try to REDEFINE the meaning of words.” “ You are at best a CULTURAL CHRISTIAN” “Lol.. you kooks” “you cannot support your heretical views” “you heathens pray.” These are typical from all arrogant Calvinists!! These were made to me by a Calvinist Pastor yet! TRUTH IN LOVE

I can't think of a more man centered doctrine then calvinism. "Most of the world goes to hell but I'm the special elect chosen before creation " The Bible never means what it says and everything always comes back to knowledge the calvinist has that isn't available to everyone else or described in scripture. They follow a man’s exalting tradition of John Calvin. A true Christian trusts God to perfectly convey His Word and that His Word is true. A true Christian doesn’t need to add "kinds" or "types" at the end of sentences that disagree with Calvinist theology. A true Christian doesn’t need to declare God has a secret will that contradicts scripture to uphold Reformed theology. This is the difference between the Bible believer and the Calvinist. One of the main points of Calvinism is that the elect were predestined to be saved prior to them believing. This would mean that salvation is secured outside of Christ! So how can a Calvinist who's totally depraved be assured of salvation without relying on totally depraved faculties. A Calvinist say they are no longer totally depraved. Ok well how do you know? The faculties that were at least once totally depraved testify to your new heart? OK how do you know your totally depraved heart isn't deceiving you? The Mormon is deceived. Why aren't you? Because of the good things you do? That's human experience that must be processed by a totally depraved heart with no way of knowing if your heart is changed unless your totally depraved heart tells you it's new. So how does the totally depraved individual know Christ died for him and he's therefore been unconditionally elected without having to rely on human experience processed with a heart and mind that are totally depraved? Truth in love

Oh no! White is growing a John Calvin beard. Now that is devotion. What next Horns after his mentor? He is hiding all of tattoo' s so that is good.

James- it’s time you call Flowers a “false teacher” and heretic. And definitely time for you to STOP referring to him as your brother in Christ. I know you desire to have grace and patience but he is well beyond the correcting stage. He openly rejects and hates the sovereign God who elects and predestines His elect to eternal life. He preaches another work of the Father, another Jesus, another Holy Spirit, another atonement, another regeneration, another election, another predestination, another salvation etc etc etc. He is anathema. Call a spade a spade already!

Time to talk about one's self video.

If it weren't for the Leighton Flowers of the world, how easily the elect sons of God who've been born again from above could forget just how totally deprave they were of Truth.

its just hard to listen to leighton, he is just so intellectually dishonest

Jean Cauvin wrote the polar opposite before he claimed sympathizers are just as guilty as the accused and deserve the same punishment. (torture chamber/execution) But what made Cauvin suddenly do a 180 turn around?? Oh, its the most common trap set by the devil.....giving someone total power over you/others. When the Geneva councils officially granted Cauvin's demand that he be declared to be the one and only voice of God on Earth, and his writings be officially declared as Holy Writ the same as the Bible, AND backed up their declaration with torture and execution to Cauvin's whims; that's when Cauvin flipped 180 degrees because NOW he could go after anyone who dissed him(real or imagined) and make them suffer. Cauvin tried to cover his tracks by buying up all the existing documents that now contradicted his new "theological" enlightenment. But by the Grace of God there were too many pamphlets floating around so the truth remained uncovered. Calvinists have no concern for the lost as they see the lost as Gods idea. They just pretend to evangelize like puppets. When they so call preach, in their hearts they look down from their pride at the poor condemned from the womb people. Calvinism is not Christianity its a fake like the Catholics. There is no disagreement its a Cult! Jesus words apply to anyone who defends a cult. This is what Calvinists are doing “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] b 15“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. Matthew 23 :13-15 Your like Satan who said. "Did God really say....... Well Calvin did and you follow and defend him. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. I can safely say you are a young man that has grown up in a Reformed church and you know what the cost would be to really follow Christ! You would be shunned! Jesus and salvation is worth it my friend. I have paid the price and would do it all over again only faster. Please consider the things you hear on DR Flowers site. They are here for you because we know it pleases the Lord we serve and we all care about you! Truth IN LOVE

Leighton is right on his view of Calvinism. And his arguments are sound. If you are a fan of whites, please actually watch Leightons videos. Leighton mopped the floor with white in that debate. God bless

@RuminantHairdo

Жыл бұрын

The Romans 9 Debate? I heard that Flowers went off topic and so the debate topic wasn't contested on either topic bc Flowers wouldn't let White respond properly

@stevehardwick7285

5 ай бұрын

LOL! It was the other way around.

James White: “So, what I was saying is that what they’re doing is they will go to Old Testament passages to come up with an interpretation that disagrees with Paul’s interpretation.” 9:01 - 9:12. James White refers to something he terms as “Paul’s interpretation” in Romans 9. He then claims that “Paul’s interpretation” indisputably supports Calvinism (assuming the very thing he sets out to prove-as in Circular Logic). Non-Calvinists reject James White’s naked assertion that “Paul’s interpretation” supports Calvinism, and as evidence, non-Calvinists turn to Romans 9’s original source material found in the Old Testament, which contradicts Calvinism’s claims at Romans 9, and knowing this contradiction from the original source material, James White further asserts that Paul has the right to *reinterpret* the original Old Testament source material, through what James White terms an “apostolic interpretation,” which allegedly alters the original meaning of the Old Testament text. So if we’re counting, James White has invented two new terms: “Paul’s interpretation” and an “apostolic interpretation.” The whole reason why non-Calvinists cite the original Old Testament quotes is to show why non-Calvinists reject James White’s two invented terms. Non-Calvinists do not believe that “Paul’s interpretation” teaches Calvinism, nor that Paul has an “apostolic interpretation” that deviates one iota from the meaning in the original Old Testament source material. If Romans 9 is read from the perspective of Paul articulating his method of Jewish evangelism (stemming from Romans 9.1-5), then Romans 9 becomes very straight-forward, and not Calvinistic at all. One other interesting point is that if Calvinists are claiming Romans 9.13 as an “apostolic interpretation” that fundamentally changes the meaning of the original source material in Malachi 1.2-5, then why don’t Calvinists similarly claim an “apostolic interpretation” at Romans 9.12 as well, thus changing 9.12 from the original Genesis meaning of the descendants to the individuals, just like they do at 9.13 in changing the original Malachi meaning from the descendants to the individuals? The fact is that “Paul’s interpretation” at Romans 9 doesn’t alter anything from the original source material in the Old Testament. In fact, he couldn’t, or else he would ruin any rapport he might have in evangelizing his fellow Jews, when attempting to prove that the Scriptures pointed to Christ, and moreover, the very notion of an “apostolic interpretation” (which contradicts the original Old Testament meaning) would make Paul vulnerable to the orthodox Jewish allegation that Paul was inventing a new religion. So, the very idea of “Paul’s interpretation” signifying an “apostolic interpretation” that deviates from the Scriptures would be a complete non-starter.

Mr. White is out of his league his league here.

if anything Flowers has received a reprobate mind

@Richardcontramundum

3 жыл бұрын

chapter verse please

@truth7416

2 жыл бұрын

You cannot defeat the monster of Calvinism you can only warn its victims that there is hope in Jesus.You say you follow John Calvin? The following is from the public record that cannot be wept away, its recorded history of the man you follow. THE FOLLOWING IS CALVIN'S REIN OF TERROR! John Calvin’s Bodycount… The victims are listed, followed by references, (A)…(L), the URLs of which are at the bottom. A. Execution 1. Jacques Gruet (A)”Thus the State issued dogmatic decrees, the force of which had been anticipated earlier, as when Jacques Gruet, a known opponent of Calvin, was arrested, tortured for a month and beheaded on July 26, 1547, for placing a letter in Calvin’s pulpit calling him a hypocrite. Gruet’s book was later found and burned along with his house while his wife was thrown out into the street to watch. ” (C)”Calvin cut off the head of Jacques Gruet “for having written impious letters, libertine verses, and for working to overthrow ecclesiastical ordinances.” (D)Quoting Stephan Zweig’s “The Right to Heresy”: “Jacques Gruet was racked and then executed merely for having called Calvin a hypocrite.” (E)”This regime was resisted by a party incorrectly described as ‘Libertines’, which Calvin succeeded in overcoming by force. Among the opponents executed after torture were Jacques Gruet (1547), Raoul Monnet (1549), and, best known, Michael *Servetus (1553).” (F)”Even eminent men were not safe from Calvin’s control. Jacques Gruet was beheaded for blasphemy, treason, and a threat to the ministers.” (J) 2. Giovanni Valentino Gentile (A)and(G)”Another victim of Calvin’s fiery zeal was Gentile of an Italian sect in Geneva, which also numbered among its adherents Alciati and Gribaldo. More or less Unitarian in their views, they were required to sign a confession drawn up by Calvin in 1558. Gentile signed it reluctantly, but in the upshot he was condemned and imprisoned as a perjurer. He escaped only to be twice incarcerated at Berne where, in 1566, he was beheaded.” (H) & (I) Very full accounts of Gentile 3. Michael Servetus Is much needed about him? Is there any debate about his murder? (A) (C)”Seven years before the conference which was now to take place in Calvin’s house on the proposals of the queen-mother, Michel Servet, a Frenchman, travelling through Switzerland, was arrested at Geneva, tried, condemned, and burned alive, on Calvin’s accusation, for having “attacked the mystery of the Trinity,” in a book which was neither written nor published in Geneva.” (E)(J) 4. Raoul Monnet (E) (J)page 223 “This regime was resisted by a party incorrectly described as “Libertines, which Calvin succeeded in overcoming by force.Among the opponents executed after torture were Jacques Gruet (1547), Raoul Monnet (1549), and best known, Michael Servetus (1553). By 1555, however, all resistance had ceased and Calvin was the uncontested master of the city.” 5. Others (A)”Calvin also had twenty women burned at the stake after accusing them of causing a plague that had swept through Geneva in 1545.” (A)”Calvin did not shrink from his self-appointed task. Within five years fifty-eight sentences of death and seventy-six of exile, besides numerous committals of the most eminent citizens to prison, took place in Geneva.” ( F)”A heretic who also was an anti-Trinitarian was burned at the stake.” NOTE: Probably Servetus B. Banishment (mere banishment!) 1. Castellio (A)”Gruet’s death was more highly criticized by far than the banishment of Castellio or the penalties inflicted on Bolsec - moderate men opposed to extreme views in discipline and doctrine, who fell under suspicion as reactionary.” (B) (K) Very full account of Castellio 2. Bolsec (A)(B)(F)”Jerome Bolsec, a physician who attacked Calvin’s doctrine of predestination, was banished.” (L) 3. Others (A)”Calvin did not shrink from his self-appointed task. Within five years fifty-eight sentences of death and seventy-six of exile, besides numerous committals of the most eminent citizens to prison, took place in Geneva.” A. www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm B. www.gospeltruth.net/heres…_chap5.htm C. www.worldwideschool.org/l…hap16.html D. www.dimensional.com/~randl/calvin.htm E. www.gospelcom.net/chi/HER…l047.shtml F. www.churchlink.com.au/chu…alvin.html G. www.newadvent.org/cathen/03195b.htm H. www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc…xv.xiv.htm I. online.sksm.edu/ouh/chapter/13_XIII.html J. The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church; F.L. Cross and E.A. Livingstone; Oxford University Press; K. www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc….xv.ix.htm (different page from H) L. www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc…v.viii.htm John Calvin is a man who is held up by many evangelicals as an example of the most perfect systematic theologian that ever lived. And yet it would appear that he did not even meet the basic requirements of a NT overseer/bishop as to godly character! 1 Tim 3:2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. The New Testament approach to false teachers is the precise opposite of what Calvin’s modus operandi was: 2 Tim 2:24 The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses {and escape} from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will. As to the relationship of his doctrine to his practice, as he plainly taught that everything that happens is God’s will (I can provide the quotes if you would like), then it necessarily follows that he considered everything he did as God’s will, even having his detractors beheaded, burned at the stake, or banished. I’m saying that one’s theology inevitably works out in one’s practice, and this was all too apparent in the life of John Calvin. If I had someone who disagreed with my theology put to death (had I the political power Calvin had), would I be qualified to teach the Word of God? One’s actions don’t have any bearing on the authenticity of one’s teaching? It seems to me that we should hold ANY theologian to the same moral standard as any other teacher in the body of Christ. john@revivaltheology.net Today CULTS work like this: If you talk to a MORMON about their founder Joseph Smith who invented the movement in 1820. If you were to say that it is heresy for Joseph Smith to say that Jesus was just an ordinary man like any man, that then evolved into a god who then created this universe. And he also teaches that all men will evolve to god hood and then create their own universes. They and their wives will then create and populate that universe by their off spring. The first thing they do is...... DEFEND THE FOUNDER!! DEFEND HIS DISCIPLES !! If you talk to a JEHOVAH WITNESS about their founder Charles Taze Russell who invented the movement in 1870. If you were to say that it is heresy for Charles Russell to say that Jesus was really Michael the Arch Angel that came to earth and became Jesus for a period of time and is now back being an Angel. The first thing they do is..... DEFEND THE FOUNDER!! DEFEND HIS DISCIPLES!! If you talk to a MUSLIM about their founder Muhammad who invented the movement in 570 AD. If you were to say that it is heresy Muhammad to say that Jesus was just a minor prophet and not God in the flesh. The first thing they do is.... DEFEND THE FOUNDER!! DEFEND THE HIS DISCIPLES!! If you talk to a CALVINIST about their founder John Calvin who invented the movement in 1536. If you were to say that it is heresy for John Calvin to say Quote "God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) "QUICK DEFEND THE FOUNDER NO MATTER HOW EVIL IT SOUNDS!" TRUTH IN LOVE

@randalregal2814

2 жыл бұрын

@@truth7416 lol wow you have a great imagination and I to do see how you came up with this junk you hate Calvinism because you are scared to death that if you really would look at it , it might be true

@truth7416

2 жыл бұрын

@@randalregal2814 That is why Calvin and his Heresy are so dangerous. People have been convinced they are saved by a lottery system of Calvin's god. So they can't repent and be Baptized, for Calvin has brain washed them to think that they can do absolutely nothing or it would be works! God is calling all calvinists to come out of that Cult to Himself. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 JOHN CALVIN'S god states : God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) Those that don't see this, can't see this, because they have blinded themselves and will not see. TRUTH IN LOVE

@randalregal2814

2 жыл бұрын

@@truth7416 you just made up a lie reformed theology teaches the witness of the spirit by which it seems you have no idea of it or should we say of you fundamentalist's who walk the aisles every month being resaved over and over

The Gospel has always been an offence to those who don't know God. Calvinism and wolves like White have that affect on people. TRUTH IN LOVE

@ogmakefirefiregood

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing more offensive to sinful man than to tell him God does whatever He pleases with His creation. Romans 9:14-23

@truth7416

2 жыл бұрын

@@ogmakefirefiregood Here is the stupidity of the Calvinist system. You just said the sinful man gets mad at God and out of the other side of your mouth you say the totally depraved man cannot hear God because he is dead! So which is it? Didn't think so. Perhaps this will help anyone open and reading over our shoulders. Predestination example 1: Its kind of like this. A man’s wife is finally pregnant and the couple are over joyed. I hope it is a boy the man said and I hope he will be interested in becoming an electrician like me. I also hope he goes into the trade and if he does, I plan for him to take over the family business some day! But I know that these plans that I have made for him, before one of his days of life begin will be entirely up to my son. I cannot force him, I cannot put a gun to his head, I can only encourage and guide him and hope. In other word’s the man has predestined a plan for his son, He has chosen a plan for his son. He has elected to give all this to his son if he so desires it! Outcome 1 The baby is born and it is a boy. He is interested in his fathers work and goes to electrical trade school, but drops out and becomes a lawyer instead. Outcome 2 He drops out of school becomes a bum, a drunk or a murderer etc. Outcome 3 The son follows his fathers predestinated plan, through trade school and takes over his father’s business. The fathers predestined plans for his son will happen, or will not happen, according to the choices the son makes. Its the same with mankind. There is a master plan given to every human being to know God, reach salvation and eternity in Heaven. But to follow or reject the plan is the choice given to every individual. This is the "Good News Gospel" that the Angels proclaimed when the Messiah was born. Satan has attacked that message from the beginning, twisting it into what is now known as Calvinism or the doctrine of election. Predestination example 2: Grandma saves and saves to buy her granddaughter a plane ticket to France. She has been saving for many years and the day finally arrived and she gave her granddaughter her special gift. The granddaughter goes to the airport and asks the attendant which plane to get on. The attendant says, what is your destination on your ticket? He reads the ticket which says “Destination France.” He also said that flight 446 is a modern jet that was especially built and destined by the airline to fly exclusively to France for its entire service life. So, this aircraft has been predestined to fly to a predestined location, France. The girl gets on the plane and is now destined to travel to France on the predestined plane, that has been predestined by its designers, to reach its predestined, destination! This girl will arrive at her predestined trip that her grandmother predestined years before, as long as she goes to the airport, gets on the right plane and stays on the plane! All this took place by the choices the granddaughter made. Predestination example 3: "The man on an island." Imagine a man has been taken to a desolate island with everything he needs to survive and given only a Bible to occupy his time. This man has no preconceived idea about religion so everything he will learn over the next 10 years he will get directly from the Bible and Gods leading. The man accepts God’s plan of salvation and what he has learned from the Bible. He repents and is born again. The Holy Spirit is now counselling the man from the inside. He studies intensely for the 10 years growing in his faith and walking closer and closer with God daily. After 10 years he comes back to the mainland world and decides he needs to fellowship with other Christians as the Bible says he should. The man approaches a number of different churches and looks through the windows from the outside and says to himself “What are they doing in there what are they saying about God? How do you think this man will compare what he knows to be true, from what he sees going on in the mainline churches today? Do you think he will find what the mainline denominations are teaching will be in harmony to what this true follower of Jesus Christ has learned? You know it won’t be! It then occurred to me that I am that man. I became a Christian in the winter of 1980 and didn’t go to any church for 10 years. I studied on my own directly from the Bible. I did go to some Bible studies, but basically learned directly by Gods leading. TRUTH IN LOVE

@ogmakefirefiregood

2 жыл бұрын

You are that sinful man. Lots of words in your reply. You will be held accountable for them all.

@truth7416

2 жыл бұрын

@@ogmakefirefiregood Isaiah 5 :20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Islam teaches the same doctrine as Calvinism. According to Islam, Allah is absolutely deterministic. As Caner and Caner write: One of the foundational doctrines of Islam is the absolute sovereignty, to the point of determinism, of Allah. Allah knows everything, determines everything, decrees everything, and orders everything. Allah is even the cause of evil (Unveiling Islam, p. 109). It follows that Allah predestines all who will be saved and all who will be eternally damned. Of those who cannot be saved, Surah 2:6-7 states: It follows that Calvinism and Islam are both inherently fatalistic. In Calvinism, the sovereign God elects those who will be saved and rejects all others, as seen repeatedly in Calvin’s writings: …some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death (Institutes, 3.21.5). [God] arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death…(Institutes, 3.23.6). In the same way, Allah leads astray whom he wills, and saves whom he wills (Surah 14:4): Therefore the Calvin god and the Islam god are the same being. Both Cults use the same job description of Satan himself! Jesus said this to the false teachers through out all generations! Matthew 23: 27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Truth In Love

@stevehardwick7285

5 ай бұрын

You claim to know God, yet believe that your will trumps God's will. Sorry, but you get no credit for your salvation.

How do you know when the Devil speaks? It always starts something like this....... Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” GENESIS 3: 3 "DID GOD REALLY SAY?" Satan speaks through Calvinists the same way today! "DID GOD REALLY SAY?" For God so loved THE world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 "DID GOD REALLY SAY?" This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants ALL people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for ALL people. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 "DID GOD REALLY SAY?" For I take no pleasure in ANYONE'S death, declares the Lord GOD. So repent and live! Ezekiel 18:32 "DID GOD REALLY SAY?" Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. Isaiah 45:22 I say this to satan and all his children of the anti-Gospel of Reformed Calvinism. YES! YES! YES! YES! HE DID! YOUR FOOLISHNESS BASED ON MANS WISDOM WILL NOT STAND AGAINST IT! REPENT and be BAPTIZED for the forgiveness of your sins and you will be saved. Calvinism has no salvation in it, for it is just another cult pretending to be a branch of Christianity. TRUTH IN LOVE

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

You got a cheat sheet that you copy and paste from? Was your ex wife a Calvinist or something? Lol!

@andrewdressler6173

3 жыл бұрын

I would be cautious sir. If you are misrepresenting someone and then slandering someone's belief in Christ as believing the devil, you are on very dangerous ground.

@truth7416

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewdressler6173 But heresy and anti gospel teaching is DEATH. Calvinism is death to their followers. It is a doctrine of demons. When they deny this they have exposed themselves for who they are. Never met a Calvinist that can read and agree with these simple to understand verses. Its like trowing a bucket of water on the wicked witch of the north in OZ. They emediately have to start with their word twisting to conform to calvins cult teachings. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. TRUTH IN LOVE

@andrewdressler6173

3 жыл бұрын

@@truth7416 but you may not be properly defining "calvinism." You are on dangerous ground.

@truth7416

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewdressler6173 Nazism is Hitlers words. Calvinism is Calvins words. Its a fact! THE FOLLOWING IS CALVIN'S REIN OF TERROR! John Calvin’s Bodycount… The victims are listed, followed by references, (A)…(L), the URLs of which are at the bottom. A. Execution 1. Jacques Gruet (A)”Thus the State issued dogmatic decrees, the force of which had been anticipated earlier, as when Jacques Gruet, a known opponent of Calvin, was arrested, tortured for a month and beheaded on July 26, 1547, for placing a letter in Calvin’s pulpit calling him a hypocrite. Gruet’s book was later found and burned along with his house while his wife was thrown out into the street to watch.” (C)”Calvin cut off the head of Jacques Gruet “for having written impious letters, libertine verses, and for working to overthrow ecclesiastical ordinances.” (D)Quoting Stephan Zweig’s “The Right to Heresy”: “Jacques Gruet was racked and then executed merely for having called Calvin a hypocrite.” (E)”This regime was resisted by a party incorrectly described as ‘Libertines’, which Calvin succeeded in overcoming by force. Among the opponents executed after torture were Jacques Gruet (1547), Raoul Monnet (1549), and, best known, Michael *Servetus (1553).” (F)”Even eminent men were not safe from Calvin’s control. Jacques Gruet was beheaded for blasphemy, treason, and a threat to the ministers.” (J) 2. Giovanni Valentino Gentile (A)and(G)”Another victim of Calvin’s fiery zeal was Gentile of an Italian sect in Geneva, which also numbered among its adherents Alciati and Gribaldo. More or less Unitarian in their views, they were required to sign a confession drawn up by Calvin in 1558. Gentile signed it reluctantly, but in the upshot he was condemned and imprisoned as a perjurer. He escaped only to be twice incarcerated at Berne where, in 1566, he was beheaded.” (H) & (I) Very full accounts of Gentile 3. Michael Servetus Is much needed about him? Is there any debate about his murder? (A) (C)”Seven years before the conference which was now to take place in Calvin’s house on the proposals of the queen-mother, Michel Servet, a Frenchman, travelling through Switzerland, was arrested at Geneva, tried, condemned, and burned alive, on Calvin’s accusation, for having “attacked the mystery of the Trinity,” in a book which was neither written nor published in Geneva.” (E)(J) 4. Raoul Monnet (E) (J)page 223 “This regime was resisted by a party incorrectly described as “Libertines, which Calvin succeeded in overcoming by force.Among the opponents executed after torture were Jacques Gruet (1547), Raoul Monnet (1549), and best known, Michael Servetus (1553). By 1555, however, all resistance had ceased and Calvin was the uncontested master of the city.” 5. Others (A)”Calvin also had twenty women burned at the stake after accusing them of causing a plague that had swept through Geneva in 1545.” (A)”Calvin did not shrink from his self-appointed task. Within five years fifty-eight sentences of death and seventy-six of exile, besides numerous committals of the most eminent citizens to prison, took place in Geneva.” (F)”A heretic who also was an anti-Trinitarian was burned at the stake.” NOTE: Probably Servetus B. Banishment (mere banishment!) 1. Castellio (A)”Gruet’s death was more highly criticized by far than the banishment of Castellio or the penalties inflicted on Bolsec - moderate men opposed to extreme views in discipline and doctrine, who fell under suspicion as reactionary.” (B) (K) Very full account of Castellio 2. Bolsec (A)(B)(F)”Jerome Bolsec, a physician who attacked Calvin’s doctrine of predestination, was banished.” (L) 3. Others (A)”Calvin did not shrink from his self-appointed task. Within five years fifty-eight sentences of death and seventy-six of exile, besides numerous committals of the most eminent citizens to prison, took place in Geneva.” A. www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm B. www.gospeltruth.net/heres…_chap5.htm C. www.worldwideschool.org/l…hap16.html D. www.dimensional.com/~randl/calvin.htm E. www.gospelcom.net/chi/HER…l047.shtml F. www.churchlink.com.au/chu…alvin.html G. www.newadvent.org/cathen/03195b.htm H. www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc…xv.xiv.htm I. online.sksm.edu/ouh/chapter/13_XIII.html J. The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church; F.L. Cross and E.A. Livingstone; Oxford University Press; K. www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc….xv.ix.htm (different page from H) L. www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc…v.viii.htm John Calvin is a man who is held up by many evangelicals as an example of the most perfect systematic theologian that ever lived. And yet it would appear that he did not even meet the basic requirements of a NT overseer/bishop as to godly character! 1 Tim 3:2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. The New Testament approach to false teachers is the precise opposite of what Calvin’s modus operandi was: 2 Tim 2:24 The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses {and escape} from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will. As to the relationship of his doctrine to his practice, as he plainly taught that everything that happens is God’s will (I can provide the quotes if you would like), then it necessarily follows that he considered everything he did as God’s will, even having his detractors beheaded, burned at the stake, or banished. I’m saying that one’s theology inevitably works out in one’s practice, and this was all too apparent in the life of John Calvin. If I had someone who disagreed with my theology put to death (had I the political power Calvin had), would I be qualified to teach the Word of God? One’s actions don’t have any bearing on the authenticity of one’s teaching? It seems to me that we should hold ANY theologian to the same moral standard as any other teacher in the body of Christ. john@revivaltheology.net Today CULTS work like this: If you talk to a MORMON about their founder Joseph Smith who invented the movement in 1820. If you were to say that it is heresy for Joseph Smith to say that Jesus was just an ordinary man like any man, that then evolved into a god who then created this universe. And he also teaches that all men will evolve to god hood and then create their own universes. They and their wives will then create and populate that universe by their off spring. The first thing they do is...... DEFEND THE FOUNDER!! DEFEND HIS DISCIPLES !! If you talk to a JEHOVAH WITNESS about their founder Charles Taze Russell who invented the movement in 1870. If you were to say that it is heresy for Charles Russell to say that Jesus was really Michael the Arch Angel that came to earth and became Jesus for a period of time and is now back being an Angel. The first thing they do is..... DEFEND THE FOUNDER!! DEFEND HIS DISCIPLES!! If you talk to a MUSLIM about their founder Muhammad who invented the movement in 570 AD. If you were to say that it is heresy Muhammad to say that Jesus was just a minor prophet and not God in the flesh. The first thing they do is.... DEFEND THE FOUNDER!! DEFEND THE HIS DISCIPLES!! If you talk to a CALVINIST about their founder John Calvin who invented the movement in 1536. If you were to say that it is heresy for John Calvin to say Quote "God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) "QUICK DEFEND THE FOUNDER NO MATTER HOW EVIL IT SOUNDS!" TRUTH IN LOVE

Why they don’t put this guy in jail for defamation, he is a liar, he character resemble his father the devil

Dont worry leighton wont change anyones mind......unless God decrees it. So why are you concerned that Leighton's life mission is defeating Calvinism?

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

He's not concerned that Calvinism is being defeated by flower.

@kreefoster

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyr9162 If God is determining all things as James White says, then there is nothing to worry about. Leighton Flowers is doing what God has determined him to do. James White also acts like Leighton has a choice in the matter, which according to White's system Flowers does not have a choice. God is determining.....not Flowers. Also If James White is determined by God to rebuke Flowers who is also determined by God. Wouldn't that be God rebuking himself by secondary means?

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

@@kreefoster Nobody's worried. No God would not be rebuking himself.

@kreefoster

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyr9162 Yeah He would be opposing himself. In essence, arguing with himself, through two people whom him determined to argue about truth. Ironically, Arguing about two opposing views of the same truth.

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

@@kreefoster If God causes 2 people to argue with themselves than the 2 people would be arguing with themselves. Duh!

People that believe in free will have no shame. They don't know how wicked they truely are. If they knew they wouldn't believe in it.

@truth7416

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't it take free will to even have a thought? Do you even hear what your saying? and that by your non existent free will! Islam teaches the same doctrine as Calvinism. According to Islam, Allah is absolutely deterministic. As Caner and Caner write: One of the foundational doctrines of Islam is the absolute sovereignty, to the point of determinism, of Allah. Allah knows everything, determines everything, decrees everything, and orders everything. Allah is even the cause of evil (Unveiling Islam, p. 109). It follows that Allah predestines all who will be saved and all who will be eternally damned. Of those who cannot be saved, Surah 2:6-7 states: It follows that Calvinism and Islam are both inherently fatalistic. In Calvinism, the sovereign God elects those who will be saved and rejects all others, as seen repeatedly in Calvin’s writings: …some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death (Institutes, 3.21.5). [God] arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death…(Institutes, 3.23.6). In the same way, Allah leads astray whom he wills, and saves whom he wills (Surah 14:4): Therefore the Calvin god and the Islam god are the same being. Both Cults use the same job description of Satan himself! Jesus said this to the false teachers through out all generations! Matthew 23: 27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Truth In Love Isaiah 5 :20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

Calvinism denies the bible says salvation is available to ALL but most will not accept..

Flowers is the worst type of heretic. He speaks so quickly and articulately that there are many people out there who are simply enticed by the presentation without the slightest understanding of what he is actually saying. He uses a lot of words to say very little, but does it eloquently enough to snare the undiscerning.

@aletheia8054

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. He’s almost as slick a ConMan as Kenneth Copeland

And just think, a Calvinist can with a clear conscience sing this Calvinistic accurate song to their children. How sick is that? The Calvinist children's hymn: "Jesus loves me, this I know. As for you, I don't think so. Only some to Him belong. We are right and you are wrong. Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! But I hope this isn't effervescent grace that I'm walking in and instead I'm actually deceived and one of the reprobates that He created to burn as a candle for His glory in Hell forever." TRUTH IN LOVE

@florida8953

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure what’s worse, cage stage Calvinists or Calvinist haters who don’t stop crying because they literally don’t get it. You still believe the same thing. Okay God didn’t choose before hand. Instead he chose people he knew would choose him or just gave people free will to choose, etc. In either scenario, God is creating people he knows with 100% certainty will NOT choose Him, so why is He even creating people in the first place He knows won’t choose Him? So He’s creating people he knows are already going to hell? So those people really don’t have a choice then. You believe the same thing, everyone does unless they are a universalist.

@truth7416

2 жыл бұрын

@@florida8953 You say we don't get it! We not only get it, but understand that it is only mans intelligence used in your arguments. I would never argue with a fool, as I would have to come down to a fools level, where I would be beaten ever time by the fools experience. That is what Deformed Theology of Calvin is. Fools looking wise in their own eyes. Truth is : This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-.... Acts 2 :21 TRUTH IN LOVE

I like how JW plays a clip and not the whole video. He takes a tidbit of info and a snippet of a lengthy video & distorts it. James White does look at the Bible & the church fathers with a Calvinistic presupposition. The Bible does NOT teach limited atonement (For God so loved the WORLD), not unconditional election (Chosen in Christ), nor total inability (Chose who you will serve), nor irresistible grace (walked away sorrowfully). I respect and love James White as a brother in Christ but the Bible doesn't teach determinism. You can't build your theology around a philosophical concept that has not true grounding in the whole counsel of God.

@johnathanwhitten1111

3 жыл бұрын

Steven... you’re a long way behind in theology to be hanging around James whites channel. Michael Brown is probably more of your flavor. If 5 point Calvinism wasn’t biblical then everyone from the reformation forward in the reformed tradition could be deemed heretics...

@stevensingleton1855

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnathanwhitten1111 funny you can make that judgement w/o even knowing me 😂 btw I'm not an Armenian so doubt Brown is accurate for me. Don't get angry with the truth, before Augustine there wasn't any kind of deterministic theology taught that would lend itself to support Calvin's views. I believe in the Solas so please don't insult me with your petty deductions because I spoke the truth about James White. Sounds like your Christianity isn't on the level, maybe you should work on that brother 👍

@stevensingleton1855

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnathanwhitten1111 Btw it isn't Biblical and the teaching that God is the author & originator of sin is heresy! When you say there's no free will it was God who caused the fall and God who created sin...that's heresy. That's Calvinism's logical conclusion sir

@apilkey

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevensingleton1855 amen brother keep contending for the faith that was once delivered 🙏🙏

@stevensingleton1855

3 жыл бұрын

@Rod Evans you mean how was I saved like my testimony or the order of salvation theologically?

I hope White keeps playing Leighton’s audio . Calvinites are abandoning their false man made teachings by the boat load! The testimonies are coming in every day.

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

Oh really? James white's channel has twice the amount if viewers as soteriology 101 in about the same amount of years. Flowers 1st video was titled Is Calvinism correct. 6 years later he still hasn't answered that question. Every video is still on that exact same question. No wonder his channel isn't growing.

@johndisalvo6283

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyr9162 He answers the question on EVERY video he makes! Calvinism and CONTEXT don’t get along too good. This resurgence in Calvinistic Gnosticism is part of the last days falling away that Jesus and Paul warned the church about. Nobody just reads the Scriptures and comes up with Calvinism. You have to be indoctrinated into it. Many, many people have put away calvinism because of Leighton’s videos and come to know the Christ of the Scriptures, so it’s not about subscribers or other worldly indicators. It’s about a humble heart receiving the Truth, which Calvinites have much trouble with.

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

@@johndisalvo6283 So there's a resurgence in Calvinism or their abandoning Calvinism by the boatloads? You just contradicted yourself

@johndisalvo6283

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyr9162 The tide comes in and the tide goes out as with other false teachings. Many are attracted to the “heady” man made doctrines of calvinism at first, but if they become students of Scripture they soon see the major flaws and contradictions . Calvinites are pros at twisting words and meanings. The Gospel is so simple, a child can understand it, and rightly so, God intended it to be..

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

@@johndisalvo6283 But you don't seem to know if the tide is in or out.

God has predestined me to hell ?

If I ever figure out that I am one of the elect like you, the first thing I do will be teach the kids in Sunday school the real "Jesus Loves me song" for the elect, as it should be. "Jesus loves me, this I know. As for you, I don't think so. Only some to Him belong. We are right and you are wrong. Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! But I hope this isn't effervescent grace that I'm walking in and instead I'm actually deceived and one of the reprobates that He created to burn as a candle for His glory in Hell forever." TRUTH IN LOVE