"It's like i tell my...", No, Leighton, I†'s Nothing like that! There is a major problem when we are consistently condemning other's views of Holy Scripture while never having one that you can lay out that says, this is what GOD Is Saying, based on proper Hermeneutics in Biblical Exegesis. Grace, Peace, and LOVE to all †he Elect of YHWH In YESHUA

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

My friend, analogies are never 1 to 1 comparisons with what one is trying to describe. Just like when Jesus says the Kingdom of God is like a mustard seed. The mustard seed is being used to help one understand a facet of an undescribable thing. So analogies are very useful and Dr. Flowers employs them as such. James White himself has used analogies as we all do. Also, what do you mean that Dr. Flowers never has views that he lays out based on what God says with proper hermeneutics and exegesis? He does this in every video he's ever recorded. You may not agree with his viewpoint, but he does do it. So I don't understand your gripe to be honest.

@pateunuchity884

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueLifeAdventures But some analogies are just plain wrong. How much worse being wrong about Biblical truth?! Love potions, robots, programmers, firemen, stakeouts, birthday parties, Presidential phone calls…it’s just all so terrible. I hardly have words for it!!

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@pateunuchity884 Some analogies that people make are wrong for sure. But, tell me a specific analogy of Leighton's that you disagree with and why?

@pateunuchity884

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueLifeAdventures Presidential phone call. Our lines are disconnected. We are in exile. Love potion God doesn’t drug or manipulate ANYONE. This scenario implies wicked intent. (Date rape) Police sting operation God is infinite and omniscient This makes the arm of the Lord short. God cannot do anything apart from the will of man being untouched

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

@@pateunuchity884 Lol You could go on all day about its analogies. How about the prodigal son? He mis uses The Bible analogies even. He thinks the son is an unbeliever. The son.... the son!!! Hello?

For those who say Dr. White is too harsh, understand that the Truth hurts regardless of how it’s presented... doesn’t it? My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was more harsh when speaking to the Pharisees. Would they tell Jesus Christ that he needed to be less harsh?

@Emper0rH0rde

3 жыл бұрын

Dr. White shows zero fruit of the spirit. And it is incredibly arrogant to compare him to Jesus.

@Emper0rH0rde

3 жыл бұрын

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." - Galatians 5:22-23 Does that describe Dr. White's conduct?

Leighton poppin’ free willies all over the place. You know I just watched “As Good as it Gets” recently, this part reminded me of Leighton soo much. “How do you write women so well” admirer. Nicholson responds, “I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability”.

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

The same could be said of Calvinists: "How does one write Calvinists so well?" "Think of a person and then take away their reason and personal accountability."

@pateunuchity884

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueLifeAdventures Leighton’s autonomous freewill or the will of indifference is the very definition of zero accountability.

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@pateunuchity884 Calvinist theology gives man zero accountability for his sin and puts it back on God.

@pateunuchity884

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueLifeAdventures LFW can’t even be used as a standard in a court of law. Read up on it. The whole concept is a philosophical myth.

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@pateunuchity884 I haven't said anything about libertarian free will. It's not relevant. What is relevant is what Scripture says and what God says through Scripture. That alone make Calvinist theology false.

Leighton Story time Flowers......Popeless Catholic....🤣😂 I love the man and pray for him, but get so frustrated with him. As usual, nothing but analogies, allegories, and after these years I still don’t know where he stands. Same with Kevin Thompson. Lots of talk and super long videos, with hardly any Scriptures.

@franciscusgomarus5086

2 жыл бұрын

Kevin Thompson is far worse than Flowers, if that is possible. He is downright heretical.

The truth about sin is,everyone sins with knowledge of the evil they are doing,this is why all people can be held responsible,whether they are elect or not.

Good analogy... a popeless catholic.

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

So we should accept James White's analogies, but never Leighton's? Hahaha!! Oh, the irony!!

It seems Leighton Flowers has nothing else to do aside fighting the Sovereignty of God in all things including salvation of a chosen people.

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

According to Calvinism he was decreed to fight God's sovereignty so who are you, oh man, to talk back to God?

People who follow Leighton think his stories are good exegesis.

Man, we are miles away from Flowers' theology. I'm reluctant to further elaborate, if you know what I mean... ?

One of the basic errors in Leighton Flowers’ (mis)apprehension of Scripture, concerns the Biblical nature of SIN - he understands ’sin’ to be a moral infraction, when sin - in the Biblical sense - represents man’s ontological condition… Ie ‘sin’ is not the stuff we do - it is what we ARE! We are sinners, and because we are sinners, we sin! BIIIIIIIIG difference! Autonomians like Leighton Flowers just don’t seem to be able to get the fundamentals of the Faith right… Did he flunk Christianity 101?

Inverted TULIPS are ugly Flowers

Genesis 50..where God meant it for good, the brothers for evil is not some super secret gnostic peak into the fabric of reality...as in how all things "work". Moreover, it is eisegesis to say the brothers purpose of evil was purposed by God...its not their purpose that God purposed, but the act. Read the text. God is not purposing their evil intent. It does not say God purposed your purpose for good. That's the common eisegesis read into the text. God does not ordain moral evil, but through infinite wisdom and power brings about His counsel and purpose no matter the purpose of man to do evil.

@danielomitted1867

Ай бұрын

You should see plainly in Genesis 50 God having intent in even the evil actions of men, for his own good and holy purposes. If God does not ordain moral evil then you have to explain quite a few things 1. God ordaining Jobs losses, which included being plundered by bandits 2. God sending the Assyrians against Israel to kill and plunder them 3. God predestined the crucifixion of Christ which included the evil acts of men. Psalm 105:25 "He turned their hearts to hate his people, to deal craftily with his servants."

"And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know" i Cor. 8:2

@BeefyPreacher

8 ай бұрын

“If anyone takes verses out of context and puts them on KZread comment sections, he shall be stoned.”

@davidxinidakis4119

8 ай бұрын

The spiritrit of malice and accusation is not of God but of Satan. When u call for someones death u should be certain not to accuse someone who is Gods child, for He is their Helper. It is one thing to disagree and be passionate, another thing to say what u have said sir. On another note, if ur comments are of the same tenor i will report you not just to youtube but to the authority which God has ordained, government, police. You will not threaten me without consequence for your threats. Meanwhile as someone who professes to be Christian your attitude berays another spirit. I pray the Lord rebukes you. But if u continue to leave hateful replies to my comments, and insinuate death threats there will be consequences immediately.

God wrote all of human history before time.

@livingforjesus8551

8 ай бұрын

So, you are saying God wrote that transgender to be a transgender, and to shoot up that school, and kill 3 adults, and 3 children? God wrote for that to happen? Are you serious? Here let's look at Jeremiah 19:5, in this verse, it says, that those things the humans did, it didn't even come into God's mind. That one verse alone, disproves your saying, that God wrote all if human history, before time. There is a verse that says, a whole hist of things happen by time, and chance, that means God had no part in it. You are just wrong on the matter. James said, all that is in the world the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the prude of the life, come from the world, and not from God. So, all those things, God did not write that story. assage Resources Jeremiah 19:5 King James Version 5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: Ecclesiastes 9:11 King James Version 11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

@Thinking-Biblically

6 ай бұрын

​@@livingforjesus8551 what do you do with verses about God using babylon as His war hammer to punish the jews?

@livingforjesus8551

6 ай бұрын

@@Thinking-Biblically I can't see my comment, so, don't know what I wrote. Since the original comment says, "God wrote all of human history before time," I could only guess that it was against that comment. Anyways, so, God used Babylon as his war hammer, ok, what then, that doesn't mean he wrote all of human history. Take for instance, Jeremiah 19:5 says that it didn't even come into God's mind. If ut didn't even come into him mind, how could he have wrote all of humans history?

@Thinking-Biblically

6 ай бұрын

@@livingforjesus8551 are you an open theist? Can we both agree that God does not contradict himself? Read Proverbs 5:21 Psalm 139:2-3 and isaiah 46:8-11. God declares the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done. We have to interpret scripture with scripture because that is the only infallible way of doing it. And in scripture we see that God does not contradict himself and that he has perfect foreknowledge of everything past present and future. You seem to think because God says in Jeremiah 19:5 the phrase "nor did it come into my mind" means that he didn't know about it which would clearly contradict God knowing everything past present and future so we know that it doesn't mean that. Let's look at the context a little bit "we find that the essence of the context is that the people of Judah are about to experience God's judgment because they have violated God's absolute holiness. In worshiping the pagan gods of the surrounding nations and engaging in their most despicable practices, Judah was doing something that God "did not command or speak" something that was foreign to his holiness. They had made the land God had given them and in which he had condescended to dwell with them "an alien place" the phrase "nor did it come into my mind" indicates not a lack of foreknowledge on God's part but rather that to entertain the thought of such vile deeds much less to command it would be completely and utterly foreign to the nature of God"

@Thinking-Biblically

6 ай бұрын

@@livingforjesus8551 also think of this just food for thought. If God doesn't know all things take for instance all your sins past present and future then how could He make atonement for all the sin that he didn't even know you would do?

Leighton is a propagandist not a theologian.

He that winneth souls is wise.

Are we really so “liberal” now that we Christians are “offended” so easily? I didn’t see any arrogance at all in this video. I did see a confident James White who is probably very weary of correcting people who misrepresent Reformed Theology defend God’s sovereignty which requires refuting the other viewpoint. I also saw (or heard) Flowers using analogies rather than scripture to argue his side. It can be a disconcerting thing to watch a believer be utterly refuted, especially if we hold to the same doctrine as they do. If you were offended by Dr White’s behavior, then maybe it’s because he killed one of your “darlings”. I imagine Paul was probably pretty “offensive” to watch when he withstood Peter to his face. But I bet that, Peter being one of Christ’s chosen, accepted the rebuke, realized his mistake, confessed his sin and moved on.

@TrueLifeAdventures

4 жыл бұрын

What's the problem with an analogy?

@oracleoftroy

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueLifeAdventures If the analogy is biblical or includes all the elements of biblical teachings, or if the aspects of the Bible that aren't accounted for in the analogy are still respected elsewhere, it can be ok, but if the analogy is used to replace biblical teaching, that is a problem.

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@oracleoftroy Kind of like when Calvinists use the story of Lazurus out of context and make it wrongly analogous to total depravity or total inability? Yep.

@oracleoftroy

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueLifeAdventures Paul said that we are dead in our trespasses and sin. Calvinist use the physical death and resurrection of Lazarus to illustrate the spiritual death and resurrection Paul teaches about. That is one of the silliest objections I've heard to Reformed theology, as it is objecting to Paul's teaching because we sometimes illustrate it with Lazarus, but pull all our understanding of the spiritual meaning behind it directly from the Bible. We don't need Lazarus to explain our view, Leighton needs his analogies because the Bible doesn't support his view.

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@oracleoftroy Alot of cool sounding words you got there, but you need to give me one verse, just one, that shows where being dead in trespasses and sins means that we are unable to respond to God in light of His grace, His Scripture and it's power and the light of Jesus that lights all men. I'll wait while you go and search for that verse...

Flowers always tell us what he thinks verse what scripture says it is clear by human philosophy by which he applies to scripture brings him away from what God is saying

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly right. Ultimate truth to him is measured by what he thinks is logical.

@randalregal2814

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyr9162 thank you that shows the depravity of man and that Gods ways and thoughts are higher than the heavens then ours

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

@@randalregal2814 Yep Isaiah 55:8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the Lord.

@randalregal2814

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyr9162 yes sir

James, when it comes to Flowers never debate him again. But on top of that, God always acts meticulously and determinist! There is no action taken by the Almighty God that is not deterministic. Essentially lay the flowers has zero understanding!

Leighton Flowers is out to win hearts and minds. James White is out to win an argument.

@shilohplatt789

2 жыл бұрын

The truth indeed is not winning hearts and minds, but makes them hate it. Reformed people are out to proclaim truth because that is Gods command.

@justanotherbaptistjew5659

2 жыл бұрын

James White goes out witnessing to Mormons, Muslims, and Roman Catholics, proclaiming the Gospel boldly. Leighton Flowers doesn’t make anything except for anti-Calvinist content.

@repentorperish1386

2 жыл бұрын

Winning an argument with someone already saved that we think is believing a lie isnt winning hearts and minds?

@throwawaypt2throwawaypt2-xp8nx

7 ай бұрын

yet somehow Leighton still fails to win hearts and minds ඞ

@lordjared2572

6 ай бұрын

same response with a child who lost a boardgame match with his/her friend and could only say "you're ugly"

Responsible fatalism, haaaaaa

Good grief James White! What evil is God restraining if God decrees everything that shall come to pass? His own evil that He decreed? WHAT!?

@johnmyers3450

3 жыл бұрын

Misrepresentation. God decreed the ends as well as the means by which He gets to the end which includes the creaturely will of man. God is not the author of sin, His decree establishes secondary causes.

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnmyers3450 Ok, chapter and verse for what you're talking about. Thanks!

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnmyers3450 Seems to me like you're basing your comment off of the Westminister, which is not authoritative in the least.

@billyr9162

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueLifeAdventures If you program a robot to smash things and then you hold it up for awhile so it doesn't smashes as much then you restrain the robot from doing that which you programmed to do. You predestined it to do what it does and you predestine it to be restrained from doing what it does. That's what the programer and author does. He writes the play. You can even star in the play and direct it at the same time. Because it's his play.

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyr9162 Lol! Yeah, but if you write the entire program from end to beginning, as Calvinists suggest God has done with humans, then any restraint the human exercises must have been part of the original "code". There's no need for God to program someone to do something and then restrain the program. You write the restraint into the code to begin with. Unless you want to argue that God is unable to do this, I'd stay away from this line of thinking. It's too flimsy an argument to carry any weight.

Leighton flowers is like a gnat on the wall he just won’t go away

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

According to Calvinism, God has decreed Leighton to not go away. Who are you, oh man, to talk back to God?

@BRNRDNCK

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueLifeAdventures What a stupid comment. God’s sovereignty leaves individuals culpable. This comment could be applied to literally every single human action, like rapes, tortures, and murders. Think harder before you try to be clever because you’re not.

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@BRNRDNCK Oh really? Pray tell how is that God has ordained everything that comes to pass and yet He is not culpable in rapes and murders? Your position disagrees with John Piper and many other Calvinists. Perhaps you're not too clever yourself.

@BRNRDNCK

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueLifeAdventures For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. -Colossians 1:16 Many are the plans in a person’s heart, but it is the Lord’s purpose that prevails. Proverbs 19:21 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Proverbs 16:4 His dominion is an eternal dominion; his kingdom endures from generation to generation. 35 All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: “What have you done? Daniel 4:34-35 In Christian brotherhood I encourage you to read and pray over the inspired 33rd Psalm, not as a challenge, although it may be challenging, but for spiritual and doctrinal edification. God bless!

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@BRNRDNCK Again I ask, how has God determined all things and yet is not culpable in rapes, murders, etc.? Nothing you've quoted here addressed that God predetermined all things. Unfortunately for the Calvinist, they cannot separate their definition of determinism from God's culpability in causing man's sinful behavior directly. Would you mind showing me how they are separate? Also, we know God does as He pleases, but what does He please to do? Can you tell me exactly? I've heard all this drivel before. It's twisting of Scripture to fit the Calvinist narrative. I'm sorry that you're stuck in it.

Dr. White, you should debate Leighton Flowers again. You will always triumph because Leighton doesn't do exegesis of the text. If you make Leighton stick to what the text actually says, he won't make it.

@discjockeydoll9643

4 жыл бұрын

Leighton surely will not stick to the specific text of the debate. He is going to pull from every which way and rail off into his analogies..

@gabrielkinzel3389

3 жыл бұрын

@@discjockeydoll9643 This is true, sadly

@cecillyons3439

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Because Flowers can’t give answers because God decrees all things. Even evil. Just admit it Flowers. God perfect plan caused all the babies to die, all the under aged girls to be raped, all the drunks to drive, and all the Christians to debate! Am I right guys! Back me up on this!!!

@Jondoe_04

5 ай бұрын

Do you know not only have they debate it was on Romans 9, but they are going to debate soon, I think it's on John 6

@c-qpo

4 ай бұрын

@@cecillyons3439the police also cause👈 criminals to sell drugs in a sting operation..guess what the criminal is still guilty!!they set up all the events for the person to commit the crime in their own free will..perfect example of how someone can cause another person to do something yet that person is guilty…making man the sovereign controller of the world doesn’t help this issue..it’s the exact same result God knew what would happen and still chose to create the world,that would still make Him the cause,your just pushing back the inevitable

Leighton says that he an Calvinists share, "some of the same vocabulary, but have a different dictionary". Yes! This is correct. For example, when we talk about Human Libertarian Free Will, how does Leighton Flowers, and other synergists like him, define it? 'The power of contrary choice'. Whereas the Bible defines Human Libertarian Free Will as: 1) a will that never assents to any errant propositions as if they were true; and, 2) a will that never wills to do anything other than that which is good and well-pleasing to God. (cf. Jn. 8:31-38). At the "Free Will Debate" in Houston, Leighton Flowers opened a modern dictionary and gave its "definition" of 'choice': "the act of selecting, or making a decision when faced with two or more options". Then, Leighton exclaimed with great enthusiasm [falsely placed], "That's Free Will!". In other word, in Leighton Flowers deluded mind, 'choice' and 'free will' are synonymous terms! They mean the same thing, according to him. Two problems with this: 1) if you define 'free will' as 'the power of contrary choice' then "choice" and 'free will' cannot by synonymous terms. You cannot use the word you're trying to define, or any of its synonyms, in the definition itself; otherwise, you're not communicating a definition; rather, you are giving a Tautology. 2) the dictionary "definition" of 'choice' that Leighton Flowers pulled from a modern Webster's Dictionary is flawed. "the act of selecting, or making a decision when faced with two or more options" is NOT a definition at all! It's a Tautology as well. The words, "selecting," and, "deciding" (or, "making a decision") are SYNONYMS OF CHOICE. THEY MEAN THE SAME THING AS 'CHOICE'! Once again, the folks at Webster's must not have been logicians because they didn't give a definition; instead, they gave a Tautology (and, Tautologies are NOT definitions). So, what does 'choice' actually mean? Choice is simply, 'a mental act which initiates, or results in further action'. That men make 'choices' is NOT the issue; both Calvinists, and semi-Pelagians like Leighton Flowers agree that men make choices every single day. The question is whether man, fallen in Adam, and being spiritual children of the wicked one (as Scripture teaches they are) possesses 'the power of contrary choice'. I would suggest that you cannot hold that man possesses 'the power of contrary choice' and at the same time hold to the infallible, omni-prescience of God. They are contradictory concepts. This is why Leighton Flowers, Dr. William Lane Craig, and all other synergists, must ATTACK the omni-prescience of God in their false theological views, and make God's knowledge DEPENDENT on His creation and creatures for His knowledge of it and them. Which is what Dr. Craig does with his Molinistic nonsense (which he got from the Jesuits; as he fully admits). *Soli Deo Gloria*

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

Why do you see it as an attack if they are only doing what God has decreed them to do? Who are you, oh man, to talk back to God?

@ Dr. James White Leighton is using mereological nihilism (No parts, "flattening it out", "it's all the same") to suggest that God, since He has determined all things, MUST be responsible for the free, morally evil choices and actions of the secondary causes He made (rape, murder, etc.). Leighton says, "If God makes a demon with a creaturely freewill, and God already determined the evil the demon would do, then God is responsible for the evil the demon does, since, God already determined it would happen.". Hey Leighton, does Gods' determinism of the free morally evil choices of the demon, absolutely mean God is directly, primarily responsible for the evil done by the demon? No, it doesn't! God gave the demon creaturely freewill, and God makes the demon responsible for its' own evil. God determines the limits of the demons' evil as part of His passive decree, as in the case of Job and satan..Job 1:12, Job 2:6. This is where Leighton gets it wrong about how God Determines the evil of the secondary causes. God says the creature can go this far, but no further. God restrains the evil, He doesn't cause it. God determines the limits of the evil done by the secondary causes (humans, satan, demons) as part of His passive decree. On the other hand, Our predetermination/predestination to salvation by God is done by God Himself as part of His active decree..Ephesians 1:4-5, Romans 8:29-30, Acts 13:48, Colossians 3:12, 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

I really really doubt John Piper would act like James White as he disrespects Leighton flowers.

@ryangallmeier6647

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't see any disrespect towards Leighton from James. Questioning Leighton Flowers' bad apologetics methodology, sure. No disrespect, though. If you're really that sensitive about it, apologetics probably isn't good for you. However, knowing God's doctrine is of infinite importance; and sometimes it requires us to give a defense of it in the midst of error, lies, and falsehoods (especially the errors of those professing to be followers of Christ). Leighton holds to all kinds of erroneous doctrine, so it's proper for Bible-believing Christians to call him out on it.

@jameshoyt3692

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryangallmeier6647 if you can't see the disrespectful attitude of James white, then apologetics isn't for you! I am afraid you would copy James white's attitude of being condescending towards orhers instead of correcting with gentleness. 2 Timothy 2:25

@ryangallmeier6647

4 жыл бұрын

@@jameshoyt3692 letting your emotions control you once again, James Hoyt. Thanks for demonstrating that for everyone to see.

@jameshoyt3692

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryangallmeier6647 haha no I don't think too many people are thinking that. But I see you going around calling everyone emotional who thinks James white comes across as rude.

@ryangallmeier6647

4 жыл бұрын

@@jameshoyt3692 Just your opinion, James. And people should be more concerned about the Theology taught in God's Word than there own opinions of "rudeness". Leighton Flowers, for example, is one of the rudest semi-Pelagians out there.

A Conversation with satan! Ask him if God exists! Answer “No” Tell satan that you know God exists! Answer “There are many gods” Tell satan that you know there is only one God! Answer “Yes but he is a very cruel god.” Tell satan that he loves you! Answer “ no he only loves some people” Tell satan that the Bible says God loves all people! Answer “ you don’t understand the Bible.” Ask satan what it means. Answer “ Calvinism” TRUTH IN LOVE

@billyr9162

2 жыл бұрын

Malachi 1:2-4 [2]I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, [3]And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. [4]Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever. Ooops

@justanotherbaptistjew5659

2 жыл бұрын

Very convincing argument, devised by your ingenious wit 🙄

@livingforjesus8551

8 ай бұрын

​@@billyr9162 So, we should hate our mother and father, and whole Family like Jesus said?

@billyr9162

8 ай бұрын

@@livingforjesus8551 Yes. In the same way jesus said to hate yourself

@livingforjesus8551

8 ай бұрын

@@billyr9162 So, Jessu was telling us to break one of the commandments, to honor our father and mother? That makes Jesus a sinner, and the least in the kingdom. You have a different Jesus than what is taught in the Bible. Matthew 5:19 King James Version 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Dr. White i used to respect you but the way you take Mr. Flowers comments and twist them to your liking and act so arrogant and condescending it is really a big turn off. I cannot listen to you anymore. God bless you

@ryangallmeier6647

4 жыл бұрын

So, it's your emotional state that you're most concerned about? Gee, I thought issues in Theology were infinitely more important that one's emotionally-driven opinions about another's character. Nope, I'll stick with issues in Systematic Theology over the emotional sensibilities of others. Maybe you should also contemplate your priorities with respect to God's Word, and the doctrines contained therein.

@pateunuchity884

4 жыл бұрын

Flower children are so emo. 🙄

@TrueLifeAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryangallmeier6647 The guy listed the twisting of Flower's words by White as his first issue followed by his perception of White's arrogance and condescension. Perhaps it's you that are emotional. Secondly, if the commenter doesn't want to listen to White anymore you should respect that since, with respect to Calvinism, this choice would have been predestined by God in the first place. Food for thought.

Listen White, regardless of whether you are right or not, the way that you go about rebutting Flowers makes you come across as egotistical and self righteous. You need to work on that

@ryangallmeier6647

4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps James simply recognizes the arrogant way in which Flowers is expressing his false views concerning the fundamental issues. The arrogance of Leighton Flowers is truly astounding, and he doesn't even seem to recognize his own arrogance, let alone his ignorance. For example, he has a video entitled: "Human Autonomy: a Defense of Divine Holiness". Now, how many Christians can actually assert that human beings possess, or have ever possessed "autonomy". From the very beginning of the creation of the first man, Adam, he was "under law"; Adam was never "autonomous" (a law unto himself). As soon as he was given a law meant the he was "under law" (Hyponomous); NOT "autonomous" (a law unto himself). In fact, there are no creatures, at any time ever, that were "autonomous". In other words, autonomy is not an attribute that belongs to ANY of God's creatures (not the angels, not mankind, and not any beasts of the field...etc.). Rather, autonomy is an attribute of God ALONE! God alone possesses "autonomy". Even Jesus, in His humanity, in the incarnation, wasn't "autonomous"; He was "born under the law" (Gk. ὑπὸ νόμον, hypo nomon, Gal. 4:4). Yet, Leighton Flowers gives to man an attribute that belongs to God alone...this is an example of IDOLATRY. And, at the end of the day, Leighton Flowers is too ignorant to know that's what he is doing in his false theology. Yep, that gets very frustrating: Flowers' ignorance coupled with his arrogance. But, James addresses some of the major flaws not only in Flowers' theology, but his approach to apologetics as well. It would be better to concentrate on the issues, and not on _ad hominem_ arguments against James. Just because it's your opinion that James "comes across as egotistical and self righteous," doesn't mean that others do, or that you're correct. Maybe keep your opinions about someone's character to yourself. Discuss the issues, not the man.

@julienstevenson3112

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryangallmeier6647 Perhaps you should go and watch some of the videos that Flowers does about White. You will find that he is anything but arrogant

@ryangallmeier6647

4 жыл бұрын

@@julienstevenson3112 The most arrogant man I've ever listened to from the semi-Pelagian camp. Taking multiple clips from James White out of context and stringing them all together? I've seen 'em all, Julien, and it's a cowardly tactic by a cowardly Leighton Flowers. It's NOT the way to do apologetics. He should be ashamed of himself for than nonsense. But, bad theology tends to do that to folks. I wouldn't recommend anyone follow Leighton Flowers' lead, because his false theological views about himself are sheer arrogance: claiming that he is a "self-determining" creature, and that he creates his own thoughts 'ex nihilo', and claiming that he is autonomous [a law unto himself], when God ALONE possesses autonomy (no creature does!). This is all the arrogant theology which leads to his bad apologetic methodology. Shame that you can't see that. But I pray that God will open your eyes to see it. Don't be led by your emotions, Julien. You should be more concerned about proper Systematic Theology (biblically-derived).

@julienstevenson3112

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryangallmeier6647 He isn't pelagian or semi pelagian, he very much believes that mankind cannot repent of their own accord, only after God is the initiator. His exegesis is fine, and if you go and listen to his podcast, you will see that. As a side note, yes, we are autonomous. We are not a law unto ourselves, but we do make decisions for ourselves and of our own free will, that is what autonomous means. Of course we are under the law set in place by God, but that has absolutely nothing to do with our ability to think for ourselves

@julienstevenson3112

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryangallmeier6647 We ARE self determining insofar as we make our own decisions of our own choosing. Yes, God can and does interfere when he pleases, but that is at his pleasure, not every single decision ever

3 person stil a unity in god, how does that work?? Predestand free choice? Arrogant calvinist,with a regenerate heart

@gabrielkinzel3389

3 жыл бұрын

Did you mean degenerate, not regenerate?

@thedonsj2172

3 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielkinzel3389 no

@gabrielkinzel3389

3 жыл бұрын

@@thedonsj2172 oh, then I thoroughly don't understand your comment.

@g.m.tea.3952

3 жыл бұрын

@@thedonsj2172 it's what The Bible teaches.. The Triune God...We believe in Trinity because it's in The Bible...and we finite beings can't understand or comprehend it..and if you deny the Trinity...you don't believe in. The God of The Bible

Calvinists don't think that God is smart enough to predict what is going to happen because there are just too many variables. Leighton doesn't say that that NOTHING or ANYONE isn't predetermined to salvation, in fact he does teach there are times when God does. The burden of proof that EVERYTHING is determined is on the Calvinist.

@lukeclark5528

2 жыл бұрын

Proverbs 16:33 Ephesians 1:11 Isaiah 46:8-11 and also the entirety of Isaiah ch. 40-50 has many verses concerning God and His knowledge of all events, past and future, particularly because he created and said that things would happen 1 John 3:20 Psalm 33:13-15 There's definitely more, but the Bible has a pretty firm opinion on God's perfect knowledge of all things. God knows everything because He made everything. It is by his Word that all things are created, sustained and held together. He cannot be creator and omniscient and then be ignorant of some aspects of his creation, which he knows perfectly. God is fully knowledgeable and sovereign over the universe because he is the creator and sustainer of it.

@wretchedpoet29

2 жыл бұрын

@@lukeclark5528 Amen!

@repentorperish1386

2 жыл бұрын

We are not saying he cant, we are saying he can't based on the bible saying he works out all things. Another strawman argument

@Thisisvaughn

Жыл бұрын

If predestination is okay one time, then why not every time?

@lordjared2572

6 ай бұрын

friend, I see which persona you channeled through with this comment, I know exactly the person you were influenced by. I was under the same influence in my first month or two in the faith. I can only pray that you have read through the Bible multiple times + historic creeds & confessions, and thus grown more mature in the faith over these 2 years.