Can you buy an electric Fjord Focus?

@stevelehto

3 жыл бұрын

Alas, I can only give this a single thumbs up.

@geoffpriestley7001

3 жыл бұрын

California also has a lot people living in fords

@seneca983

3 жыл бұрын

@@geoffpriestley7001 Don't they get wet constantly?

@Dave-ty2qp

3 жыл бұрын

@@geoffpriestley7001 According to Bob Wells, more people are living in them in Arizona, and New Mexico. LOL

@geoffpriestley7001

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dave-ty2qp and here in the uk but ours are smaller

Steve, I used to own a gas station. 1977 till 2001. I used to make the bulk of my profit from gasoline sales. About 35 cents per gallon. By 2001 the profit dropped to 4-5 cents per gallon. The bulk of profit now is from the convenience store. The gas is just a drawing card. I had to close because I couldn't build a large enough building where I was to make profit. The small amount of profit made off the gas sales now pretty much just covers the cost of the tanks and pumps, especially with all the EPA requirements.

@coryCuc

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely right. Everything the government touches it screws up.

@pansepot1490

3 жыл бұрын

Same everywhere. I live in Italy and I have heard people who work in the sector tell the same story.

@porcelainthunder2213

3 жыл бұрын

The government makes more off gas than the people who sell it.

@coryCuc

3 жыл бұрын

@@porcelainthunder2213 It's a crime how much state and federal taxes are put on each gallon of gas. But then again...that's the government for ya.

@jonsmith1259

3 жыл бұрын

Of course, some less than ethical stations back then made a lot of money from "The empty oil can trick" as well.

Norway is the 8th largest oil exporter in the world. Just putting that out there.

@wimpow

3 жыл бұрын

They just could continue selling it just for sniffing.

@fredygump5578

3 жыл бұрын

Don't smoke your own product, am I right?

Steve is a conference attendee who can replace any panelist if someone on the schedule can’t make it.

@guythall

3 жыл бұрын

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@tayzonday

3 жыл бұрын

@@guythall The comment may be too “inside baseball” for people who attend a lot of business and industry conferences. 😆 The point is that he can talk about anything.

@erikkovacs3097

3 жыл бұрын

Holy shit. I though you died from an overdose outside the Viper Room or the Chateau Marmont after your viral hit Chocolate Rain. I guess you got better.

@guythall

3 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting if he built up his expertise on EVs and the law. And Autonomous driving and the law (and government policy). I'd be curious to hear more about his possibility.

@DiscoFang

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like my sister, who is a law professor. Give her 5 minutes and she becomes an “expert” in a field. She’s the Joe 90 of conference guest speaking. (Look up that reference, even I was too young for Joe 90 the first time round.)

Funny to see this topic pop up here. I'm a Norwegian follower of the channel, and an EV driver for the last 7 years. The major reason for people in Norway to buy EV's are economic. The total cost of ownership in Norway for EV's are such that if you buy an ICE or an EV costing about the same price, but your fuel cost is way less driving electric. Customs, taxes and fees on ICE and hybrids are so high in Norway that EV's -- which currently don't pay any import duties and taxes -- are approx. the same price as a similar ICE vehicles. The limiting factor over the last year has only been delivery issues and model types available from manufacturers. Diesel cars was very popular for a couple of decades because of the better mpg compared to a gas car, but now taxes has changed so that NOX are more important on the new car taxes so diesel sales are more or less nil. The average age when a car has been taken off the road in Norway has been 15 years for most, 25 years for Mercedes. ICE vehicles will most likely not last that long anymore since taxes on use, including toll charges, will make them uneconomic to use for everyday usage. Hobby cars we expect to exist for a long time. BTW, since Norway have more or less only hydro produced electricity it's also quite affordable here.

@DiscoFang

3 жыл бұрын

@@McRod-1 They’re on point, you’re not. Weird conclusion that it’s driven by a false narrative. The only false narratives are the reports and articles such as Steve’s here the gloss over the “why?” There is nothing false about favouring the use of using renewable energy in a country whose landcape is hydroelectric perfection. How they get there is irrelevant - for them.

@xzqzq

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I was wondering what carrot & stick measures government was applying to the situation. Since Norway's' electricity is hydro produced, makes more sense than areas where the electricity is fossil fuel, or nuclear produced. Some years ago, various US cities tried electric municipal transit buses, with electric generation via generators / alternators running off the axles, to deal with range limitations. If that technology can be used on cars, would be helpful in limiting problems with useful range.

@DiscoFang

3 жыл бұрын

I think here in New Zealand we may head the way of added tariffs to ICE car imports in a sliding scale based on engine size. Those tariffs will be used to pay for rebates on EV & PHEV imports - also a sliding scale likely based on tiers of battery capacity. Currently the price gap between ICE & EV is ridiculous - eg: $35Kvs $60K for comparable new small/med cars. I think we sit at high 80’s percent (88% from memory?) of renewables for electricity generation - a combination of hydro, geothermal (minimal) and wind. The other positive is that we have a 240volt domestic power system which means adequate home charging and grid capacity but we are WAY behind on other charging infrastructure. WAY, WAY, WAY behind.

From Leo: Before WWII, our city had milk routes delivered by electric vans. The routes were designed so hopefully there was enough battery left to get back to the depot after the last stop. A gasoline powered truck would go recover any milk vans that did not get back at the end of the day.

@jbbuzzable

3 жыл бұрын

I assume you were using lead acid batteries at that time.

@3089280288

3 жыл бұрын

Too bad the postal service didn't choose that route

@jbbuzzable

3 жыл бұрын

@@3089280288 Yeah. I don't get it.

The other side of range anxiety is where you live. I live in Canuckistan and we have winters and summers. In the winter we need heat in the car and in the summer we use air conditioning. Both of those cut the range in half.

@Drunkenvalley

3 жыл бұрын

No it doesn't. It does significantly reduce it, but it does not halve it.

@Ckom-Tunes

3 жыл бұрын

Did you see the range of the just-released ‘Canadian’ Tesla-151kms. I shit you not!

@Milnoc

3 жыл бұрын

The heating systems are improving fast. Instead of using electric heating coils to produce heat, car makers are figuring out how to capture the heat dissipated by the electric motors and batteries and pump it into the cabin.

@erikkovacs3097

3 жыл бұрын

Electric cars don't do well in the cold. The batteries have to be warmed and there's just not enough waste head from the motor and electronics to do the job. As far as I know there is no solution to this problem other than to just deal with it... or move to Florida.

@craigcarter400

3 жыл бұрын

That is barely enough range to get from Victoria to Nanaimo

I find it somewhat ironic that Norway is leading the charge towards EVs, while at the same time almost their entire economy is centered around petro chemicals. The entire reason Norway is so wealthy is because of oil.

@operator0

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBooban Perhaps, but don't get sanctimonious about it lest you appear hypocritical.

@DiscoFang

3 жыл бұрын

Is Norway sanctimonious about it? It seems it’s other nations, or rather interest groups in other nations, shouting about this. Norwegians themselves know it’s an artificially created demand. I’ve had conversations on forums with Norwegians who want a new gas BMW (for example) but can’t justify it because anything non-EV now has a MASSIVE tax at purchase. It’s far cheaper to buy an EV in Norway.

@sluggoman2551

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBooban Sure dude. Just admit that this is how they generate their wealth. It is exactly because of oil and gas that they are so well off, selling that bad and evil stuff called oil. freetouroslo.com/top-5-reasons-why-norway-has-a-high-standard-of-living/

@greylatern

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like they are preparing for the future......instead of dieing with it🙇

@Luckyyshot

2 жыл бұрын

Since it seems like people are unaware. Norway don't actually directly 'use' the proceeds of their oil exports. Instead it goes into a national investment fund (last year it had reached 1.4 trillion dollars), which is then used to invest in things around the world (idea being that they aren't relying on the oil money now, and wont ever because of the fund). So to conclude: Is Norways economy reliant on oil? No. Is their economy focused on oil? No. Do Norwegians feel the benefit of the oil exports? Probably no (not sure if the proceeds of the fund goes back into it, or the Norwegian economy).

I think ya missed an important point; the stat that I found suggests that 58% of US households have more than one vehicle, it also appears that that rate has been pretty steady for the last 20 years. With electric vehicle range in the 200-250 mile range, and the ability to recharge overnight at home; electrics become pretty tempting for that second commuter vehicle.

I love the idea and technology of electric vehicles. The problem I have is I live in Alaska and with how cold it gets they don't work as good as the lower 48.

@fivespeed3026

3 жыл бұрын

They probably don’t perform well in Norway either.

@Flakzor123

3 жыл бұрын

It's definately harder on the batteries. Over 2 decades ago we went over to Finland with my dad's first gen Prius and the temperature dropped to -30c during the holidays. The batteries totally drained because of the low temp (jumpercables to start a hybrid... lol). I do "believe" the warranty covered a batteryswap once we got back to Sweden as the stock battery clearly didn't perform as intended. I don't know any details about the battery versions before or after but I can't recall any further issues of that sort, then again coldsnaps down to -30c that last almost a week are pretty rare that far south... it happens every few years or so where I live now though.

@guythall

3 жыл бұрын

Alaska is now starting to build fast charging stations. Remember most of your charging is done at home. Many folks don't need a refueling station for months. Our family with three EVs haven't visited a commercial charging station for over a year.

@guythall

3 жыл бұрын

EV are also great for road trips. Even back in 2014 i drove a Tesla from the Mexican border to Fairbanks. I discovered that I could find electricity almost everywhere.

@Flakzor123

3 жыл бұрын

@@fivespeed3026 Scandinavia has a warmer climate than Alaska even though the latitudes are similar. The gulfstream takes care of that (so far). Occasionally strong northerly or easterly winds bring the arctic cold though. Norway gets far more rain than Sweden though (and I presume snow as well) since they screen us with their mountains, the best umbrella is the one that does it's job without any effort on your part =)

Most advanced electric car of its time was the Bailey Car Company, in New Hampshire. This was late 1800s.

I drove from Dallas to Arkansas yesterday and stopped at a Buc-ee's in Royse City Texas to get some cheap gasoline and hit the head. It was so busy that almost every pump was full and you couldn't walk inside without bumping into someone despite the Corona. The demand for gasoline is as strong as ever, at every stop along the way it was busy. Don't count the gasoline engine dead yet.

@ElmRjFudd

3 жыл бұрын

Also, you didn't have to wait 8 hours for a recharge. I can't imagine the time that would add to a cross country trip. Should get better in time however.

@jacobw446

3 жыл бұрын

@@ElmRjFudd Also did not have to worry about replacing expensive batteries every 8 years, which are not safe to the environment.

@tazgamerplays

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacobw446 Replacing batteries in those cars cost more than I pay for a car. I can't afford a brand new car so all my cars are used cars several years old. I couldn't afford to replace the batteries if someone gave me the car for free.

@jacobw446

3 жыл бұрын

@@tazgamerplays That is the fundamental problem with battery cars. The batteries are like food. They degrade over time. A Gasoline engine can simply change its oil, put new gas in it and run again.. even 30 years later. There is a reason why battery cars lost to gasoline cars in the 1900... because they were inefficient, and would not last as long. And it was easier to get gasoline to a pump than electricity. The electricity "problem" has not changed much in past 100 years. Funneling gigawatts of power, from homes, to transportation, is a bad idea on every level. California already can not keep up with electricity demands. Solar and wind will never replace traditional power plants, that are far more reliable in terms of constant power availability.

@clausbecker9350

3 жыл бұрын

​ @ElmRjFudd I understand your concern but modern EVs charge so fast you can hardly get a bite before you are ready for another three to four hrs on the road. Also, even if traveling on gas were a bit slower, you make that back in day to day charging at home. It only takes a second to plug in at home

Steve points it out but not directly, if gas demand plummets there is less need to extract fossil fuels, less fossil fuels means less distillates (the stuff that is not good for gasoline), which means less of everything from paints, plastics (contact lenses to car bumpers), pharmaceuticals (99% of them), electronics, and soon creates a shortage of all the parts that go into the electric cars (among everything else). It's like the pig, the only thing that makes pork cheap is that you can sell all the parts of the pig. If you still need to extract all that fossil to get the 5% of distillates to make the other stuff, what are you going to do with the 95% of it you are not filling your car with - flare it off?

@xzqzq

3 жыл бұрын

Not only that, but the revenue loss from decreased gasoline / diesel sales will have government scrambling to find other means to extract money from your pocket. When the Golden Gate bridge was completed @ 1936, a ' temporary ' toll was charged, to be eliminated once the bridge was paid for. Unsurprisingly, crossing the Golden Gate bridge today still extracts a toll from each car....

I lived in Europe for the last two years. The price of gas (petrol) was around 1,45 euro per litre. I did the conversion at the time, since the dollar vs. euro exchange rate changes constantly, and it worked out to about $6 per gallon. So drivers there also have that as an incentive to buy EVs. Plus, there seemed to be a lot more charging stations at normal street parking spots there.

@TheGuruStud

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they're being scammed. That's the way it works. Tax, tax, tax, buy new pos over and over again.

@georgeh6856

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGuruStud Not even close. The USA gives massive subsidies to big oil and gas companies. People in Europe, and in Norway particularly, are happier and have better outcomes than in the USA. People in the country where I lived had a heck of a lot more vacation time than here. Things worked better there.

@sluggoman2551

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgeh6856 Lol, they have more vacation time over there because it is mandated by law. Duh! Yea, uh huh works so much better over there. Right. US GDP is almost $21 trillion. ALL OF EU COMBINED is about $16 trillion. 27 countries in the EU. Norway btw isn't in the EU. The US GDP per capita is 1.7-times of that of the EU in 2018 and is more than the GDP per capita of the top-10 EU countries by GDP. Also, Norway gets its wealth from oil and gas exports just like a lot of other countries and is what drives its economy. freetouroslo.com/top-5-reasons-why-norway-has-a-high-standard-of-living/ Our economy has its ups and downs but it keeps on rolling. Unlike half the European countries which stagnate year over year. Gee, I wonder why the U.K. got out of the EU? Have a nice day!

I drive a 26 year old Toyota pick-up truck. It still runs like new. And I can fuel it up almost everywhere. And I don't need a windmill or a solar cell array to do it. And it won't take the price of a new one to replace the battery.

@cheesywheeler8322

3 жыл бұрын

So you own a refinery

@clausbecker9350

3 жыл бұрын

Why would you replace the battery? They are not like the batteries in your cell phone and last forever w little loss

@otpyrcralphpierre1742

3 жыл бұрын

@@clausbecker9350 No battery lasts "forever". They have a limited cycle life.

Bought my Volt back in 2017, then I bought a Tesla X, best decision I ever made.. Happiest driver on the road for the last 4 yrs. I drive about 50,000km/yr and I love taking long road trips... I always argue that I can take long road trips faster in an electric car than in a gas car.

Just to clarify, Norway includes hybrids with pure electric car sales in their figures.

@clausbecker9350

3 жыл бұрын

yes, 50% electric, another 30+% electrified.

It varies by location, but gas stations make very little, to even no profit, on gasoline sales. With the large number of gas stations condensed in small areas, competition is extremely high. This means gas prices are constantly being reevaluated to be as low as possible to get you to fill up there. The gas stations' goal is to get you inside the store to pay for heavily marked up convenience store items.

@Foolish188

3 жыл бұрын

The stations goal is to get you inside to buy junk food. But the gas distributor sets the price of gas, not the station. The distributors do compete, but they work hard to Maximize the price of gas. For decades, the two gas stations in my home town have had the highest priced gas in the State. Just off the Interstate, 12 miles and 8 miles to nearest gas. (off the Interstate, 6 miles by back roads their are much lower prices with the same 2 distributors, but drivers on the Interstate aren't going that far out of their way)

They also have a MASSIVE sovereign wealth fund that can fund all the electric grid upgrades, road repair, infrastructure, etc. They made this currency from crude oil and natural gas. Norway's $1.3 trillion sovereign wealth fund.

Norway has a good railway system that people use traveling longer distances so range anxiety isn't as much of a factor.

Gas station will just have to convert to charging stations that resemble truck stops with restaurants and other forms of short-term entertainment for people waiting for their EV to charge.

@Foolish188

3 жыл бұрын

Charging stations don't have any great economic need to be at gas stations. Parking lots and city streets work just as well.

@willdejong7763

3 жыл бұрын

@@Foolish188 I think the point is that because it takes longer to charge an EV that people will have more time to kill, so sitting down for a meal makes sense. Diners with EV chargers are going to become popular, especially on long roads.

He not dead, he's pinning for the fjords!

@ronwade5433

3 жыл бұрын

Pining. Not Pinning.

@johntonge9818

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronwade5433 Thanks!

A large percentage of those in Minnesota are also Norwegian.

Norwegians love Monty Python! Fun fact about the "The dead parrot sketch": it's based on a sketch by Palin and Chapman called "Car Salesman". Btw: "American Beer is a bit like making love in a canoe. It's ***** close to water!" 🤣

@thatjeff7550

3 жыл бұрын

Need to add a correction there: "It's two/too *&^^ close to water."

@DiscoFang

3 жыл бұрын

@@thatjeff7550 Your correction is not an improvement. Learn to edit.

Steve, you forgot the mention, in Norway you have huge incentives to buy an EV and also huge registration fees for gas cars and gas tax.

@mattwilliamson1714

3 жыл бұрын

Except he did say it... it was about 14 seconds after 5:00

"I keep hearing it because I keep saying it."

@ch4.hayabusa

3 жыл бұрын

The more problems we talk about, the more problems we see

I'm thinking of an E- car for my next vehicle as my commute is only 30 miles a day , I'd keep my old Landrover for long journeys at the weekends though.

@Foolish188

3 жыл бұрын

Land Rover for long distance? What do you get per gallon? Gets expensive to travel.

Steve, many older gas stations are already shutting down because they can't afford to update their equipment. Selling gas hasn't been profitable for a long time, and environmental regulations are driving up the cost to maintain a gas stations. Underground Storage Tank (UST) regulations were enacted in 1988, and many old gas stations still use tanks and lines installed before that time! Most small operators don't upgrade because they can't afford to, and they are running out of time. Meanwhile, the gas stations that prioritize selling food are growing like crazy!

@DiscoFang

3 жыл бұрын

If you can call it food.

@fredygump5578

3 жыл бұрын

@@DiscoFang Some people just look for things to gripe about?

Who to thank for the Fjords? 'Slartiblartfast' is a Magrathean, and a designer of planets. His favourite part of the job is creating coastlines, the most notable of which are the fjords found on the coast of Norway on planet Earth, for which he won an award. "From the greatest book in this Galaxy, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"

No wonder I have a proclivity for e-cars. I'm half Norwegian. The other half is Irish so there's a slight yearning for alcohol powered locomotion..

@andrewgates9333

2 жыл бұрын

Conquering Dublin

"If you hadn't nailed it to the perch, it'd be pushing up the daisies!"

@sandybarnes887

3 жыл бұрын

It's merely pining. Switch to the Lumberjack Song.

@BrianFullerton

3 жыл бұрын

Sqawked its last, eh?

@jeffreymontgomery7516

2 жыл бұрын

That's an ex-parrot!

I noticed most of the information online omits what impact the disposal of the electric engine has on the environment.

@Foolish188

3 жыл бұрын

And that most electricity comes from natural gas and coal. And wind turbines use a huge amount of steel that has to be made with coal. Wind mills in the best locations take 7 years to produce more energy than it took to build them. Many will never produce more energy during their lifetimes.

@butteryfriedwizard2219

3 жыл бұрын

@@Foolish188 not to mention the landfills full of blades.

@clausbecker9350

3 жыл бұрын

The electric engine is easy to recycle

I wouldn’t even be able to drive across Michigan, from north to south, on a single charge. Until they can make the range substantially greater, I don’t see them catching on at a great rate here in the states.

@peterdurnien9084

3 жыл бұрын

I still think a hybrid is the way to go.

@gatorboys474

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterdurnien9084 Hybrids cost way too much to manufacture vs an electric car. You need all the systems of an ICE vehicle and an electric vehicle and you keep all the maintenance costs of an ICE vehicle.

@norfolkdragons866

3 жыл бұрын

Wikipedia says North to South is 277 miles - lots of EV's do more than that.

@johnn.4407

3 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, the government will FORCE us to buy electric cars regardless.

@jimfarmer7811

3 жыл бұрын

@@norfolkdragons866 none of the BEV can go 277 miles in the winter.

I see no charging stations in my travels in upstate NY. Also, our electrical grid in the US is BARELY adequate. I shudder to think what will happen when we add a huge additional load.

@jbbuzzable

3 жыл бұрын

Your comment makes me shudder.

@mwechtal

3 жыл бұрын

@@jbbuzzable well, somebody has to think about these issues. More charging stations is easy to fix. However, most people will get home and plug their cars in @ about 5:30 pm. What happens when that surge hits?

@jbbuzzable

3 жыл бұрын

@@mwechtal It depends. The grid in my area will have no problem. Some areas will need to upgrade.

Somewhat ironic given how much of Norway's wealth is (originally) derived from petroleum production. But goes to show how things work

@simon6071

3 жыл бұрын

Norway is a small country. Norwegians have no need to drive long distance like Americans have to do sometimes. Just because Norway can afford to used electric vehicles only, doesn't mean all states in the USA can afford to do so. It's wrong to imply that what's feasible in Norway must be feasible in the USA, as least not now.

@simon6071

3 жыл бұрын

If I lived in any state that has severe winter snow storms, I would keep my gasoline powered car or buy a new gasoline powered car to replace the old one. The power lines often come down during snow storms so people cannot charge their vehicles when power outage happens. However, gas stations can still open because they have power generators to generate electricity for the gas pumps.

@simon6071

3 жыл бұрын

In fact during the power outage in the severe snow storm in Texas in 2021, some people survived instead of frozen to death because they stayed in their gasoline powered vehicles outside with the heat on. With a electric vehicle, it could only last a short time with the heat on and the people would be frozen to death in their electric vehicles.

@3089280288

3 жыл бұрын

@@simon6071 are you from the future?

@simon6071

3 жыл бұрын

VIDEO: Power outrage: Some seeing electric bills as high as $17K in wake of Texas winter storm VIDEO: $900 cost to charge a Tesla in Texas freeze If the people don't get frozen to death in their electric cars stuck in a snow storm and are lucky enough not to have power outage at home, they may be shocked to death with a heart attack after seeing the insanely high electric bill for charging their electric cars at home. Lehto's view of doom and groom for gasoline powered vehicles is just like the view of all attorneys in any lawsuit- ONE-SIDED.

Hi Steve. Gas stations make more money on the food and snack stuff than you think, that's why they have them. Also, Shell is installing chargers nation wide, so while the gas sales may dry up, but the stations themselves will be there forever.

@jeffreymontgomery7516

2 жыл бұрын

You can add two gallons of gas to the car and go in a matter of minutes.... When the EVs can do that, you'll have something. Right now, recommendation is to charge to full and not allow to completely empty, or the battery "dies" and won't take a charge. You can run a gas engine on empty and get to run on fumes for a bit... If you run out completely, just add gas. I don't expect the gas engines to go away anytime soon... Especially not until you can escape Florida during a hurricane without getting stuck on the freeways in a humongous traffic jam where you have start and stop traffic for hours, with no power to the area, and a cold front's moving in.

After 3 years of owning an American made Tesla Model 3, I can tell you it is an absolutely amazing vehicle. At 67,000 kilometres it has only been in the shop to replace a suspension bushing. We also have a nice Volvo that is not being replaced yet but driving 1,000 km in the Volvo costs $130 but the Tesla costs $25 summer & $33 winter for the same distance. When I got it, 0 to 60 mph was 5.2 seconds. After some Over The Air updates, it is well under 5 seconds. America is leading the world with this car.

@donreinke5863

3 жыл бұрын

I will pass on the glorified golf cart Tesla. High tech=high trouble. It will come home to roost someday--its not if.....but when.

@daveturner6612

3 жыл бұрын

@@donreinke5863 Enjoy your carburetor & Kettering ignition then. You will get to know the various taillights of Tesla, that’s all you’ll ever see.

It won't fly in the U.S. although it could work in some towns or cities. But how would someone charge their car overnight if they live in an apartment?

@AlexandarHullRichter

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBooban a lot of apartments only have street parking. They're not going to be filling cities' sidewalks with charging stations any time soon. For one thing, ADA would require complete reconstruction of every sidewalk on which that is done. I don't see cities spending that much for EVs for a while.

@snoopdogie187

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBooban You must not come from a city, there is no way a landlord of a non fancy, only street parking apartment is going to have charging. There is no way to be sure your renters are the one charging, theres not even a way to be sure your renters can park on the same block as where they live. It would have to be at the city level to install charging stations. It might work in some cities but not all of them. As far as an extension cord... good job opening yourself up to a lawsuit when someone trips over it, and they will.

@AlexandarHullRichter

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBooban everywhere I've been (granted, not a lot of places) the city/county owns the sidewalk, and the first 6 feet after the sidewalk. Property owners are sometimes required to maintain the sidewalk (by means of mowing lawn, snow or leaf removal, etc.), but are not allowed to make modifications. Also, if the sidewalk has to get wider to accommodate chargers and wheelchairs (instead of just being wide enough for wheelchairs) it would mean either moving the building, or reconstructing part of the street. Neither of those are things property owners can feasibly do.

@mbak7801

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlexandarHullRichter Norway has.

@sketchesofpayne

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBooban Charging stations are NOT CHEAP.

Hydroelectric power is the main mode of electricity production in Norway and in 2015, hydroelectricity accounted for 95.8% of the national electricity demand. While in the US, only 7 percent was hydroelectrically generated and with environmentalists/conservationists demanding dams be removed to allow natural flow to benefit fish that percentage will likely decrease. So, the question is, where will the electricity to recharge electric vehicles come from?

I would prefer a Hybrid, until we can completely charge without plugin in. We still have some efficiency issues to get full power from Solar.

@guythall

3 жыл бұрын

Ben, check out plug-in hybrids. Best of both worlds, especially the ones that can do 40 miles on electricity before switching over to gas. Remember every morning you wake up with a full battery. Might not have to visit a gas station for months. That would be a shame...

Don't car about resale value. I drive my carts until they are dead and too expensive to fix.

@Foolish188

3 жыл бұрын

Saves money by not worrying about scratches and dings.

Comment from Norway: I suspect many in the US in time will do as we have done in my family: Buy an affordable EV for daily commutes and similar, and having a second gas or diesel car around for the longer trips. And the affordable EVs are coming: In Europe we'll get a small city car with 140 mile range and a price tag of around 20.000 US dollars for sale later this year. The bonus factor for the car being maintenance costs and running costs that are around 1/10th of what you have for combustion engine vehicles - in addition to the fairly affordable cost of purchase. Even more affordable EVs will soon come from China, and most US car brands have set up shop in China already and have EV projects going on there. It is the economy aspect of EVs that eventually will drive the conversion: 3-5 years down the line it is expected that an EV will be more affordable than a comparable conventional car - without any subsidies. And with much lower running and maintenance costs too, people will usually start thinking with their wallets. A small correction: New hybrid cars ("electrified") will still be sold in Norway after 2025. It is solely the gasoline and diesel only cars that are planned to be removed from new car sales, and there's no actual legislation to ban sales of them yet, at least to my knowledge. One should also note that an additional driving force for this EV conversion to take place in Europe are the coming European emission standard Euro 7, planned for implementation in 2025. Combustion vehicles will still be around for decades of course, although at some point Canadian trio Rush' and the lyrics for their song Red Barchetta will probably become a reality...

@pansepot1490

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, very interesting info.

@erikkovacs3097

3 жыл бұрын

Without heavy taxation on gasoline and diesel vehicles and subsidies on electric vehicles, EV's cannot compete. Batteries cost too much and cannot come down in price anymore. In your example of a subcompact with 140 mile range and $20,000 would be $12,000 with a 400 mile range gasoline car all things being equal. One thing the government will notice is a lack of tax revenue from gasoline and diesel sales which will have to be made up somehow and that will be a tax on electric vehicles. Electric vehicles are just not cost competitive and indeed they ate a first world luxury.

@donreinke5863

3 жыл бұрын

Its not going to work here. It is estimated that if every person in California had a glorified golf cart EV it would require doubling the capacity of the power grid. MORE natural gas (and coal) burned, and more spent nuclear fuel from reactors to be dealt with, and that stuff will be dangerous and deadly for thousands of years. BAD idea.

@fredygump5578

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I think the USA will lag far behind, because we have long prioritized keeping gasoline prices low. If we increased the taxes on gasoline, people would be motivated to find a better option. Studies show that ~2 months of high gas prices is all it takes to make people want to buy efficient vehicles! But the moment the price drops, people just as quickly go back to wanting big and inefficient vehicles. So we should probably increase the price with taxes, and then use that tax money to improve aging infrastructure.

@Haukevind

3 жыл бұрын

@@erikkovacs3097 Not really. The battery pack is the one feature that has kept costs high on EVs, and they are still dropping fast as the tech develops and especially as production rates escalate. Bloomberg apparently believe that EVs will be cheaper to buy than than a comparable gas/diesel powered car by 2030.The benchmark needed for EVs to reach the comparable cost as a gas/diesel car is 100 dollars per KwH, and that threshold is expected to be crossed in 2023. One article on the matter: www.caranddriver.com/news/a34992832/battery-price-drop-2023/ - with links to Bloomberg's article about expected battery prices for further study. Do you have any subcompacts with an MSRP of 12.000 dollars in the US currently? The cheapest I could find was the Chevrolet Spark at a bit over 14.000 US dollars for the entry level model. So what brands and makes have I missed?

Some great points you mention Steve!

I have seen article on the electric jeep with the manual transmission.

Thanks, Steve...now I'm pining for the fjords.

Norway gets cold in the winter. I wonder what that will do to all of those lithium battery powered EVs ?

@jbbuzzable

3 жыл бұрын

The EVs have been working quite well there.

@msnpassjan2004

3 жыл бұрын

I think Bjørn Nyland channel found a loss in charge but I don't remember how much, maybe 20% ?

@michael931

2 жыл бұрын

They will be returning all their electric cars in the spring and trading them for gas powered ones... not.

Many Gas station chains are adding chargers. I have stopped at Sheetz and WAWA. Since it typically takes 20 minutes to charge, they have much more time to eat and buy things at the store.

@michaelquinlan2121

3 жыл бұрын

And the charging stations are likely to be taken.

@guythall

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelquinlan2121 it's certainly a race between EV sales and charging station installation. Earlier in this discussion, someone pointed out that all the charging stations he saw were empty.

@guythall

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelquinlan2121 don't forget that most of your charging will be done at home, most l likely while you're sleeping.

@jjanovsky1983

3 жыл бұрын

@@guythall Not all chargers are equal and it is easily seen watching traffic at chargers from various providers. Many Tesla Supercharger stations have high utilization rates because they are conveniently placed, charge fast, and at a reasonable price. Many chargers from other providers are slow and/or unreliable, or expensive to use (also complicated by the need to have an account with various 3rd party charging networks). This has in some places resulted in EV buyers going mostly for Tesla if they want to travel long distances and only get other brands for commuting.

@jayj6770

3 жыл бұрын

unless you are in california the are pretty empty

I predict that even if the adoption curve is low, you will find "gas" stations adding recharging stands. Also you will see the same locations adding generators as the existing electrical grid will not accommodate the amount of EV charging needed as the adoption curve rises. So the "gas" stations will turn the traditional fuel on demand into electricity and be able to charge a premium for fast charging and availability

@sluggoman2551

3 жыл бұрын

And how are they going to make money if the adoption rate is low and not many people are stopping to charge their cars if they switch completely to chargers? Oh but I guess they won't go all electric just add charging stations in which case their incentive to add charging stations is what exactly if the adoption curve is so low? You think it's going to be cheap for them to do this?

@jbbuzzable

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe some. I think most charging stations will be built close to areas that provide sit down meals and places to shop.

@sluggoman2551

3 жыл бұрын

@@jbbuzzable So basically because of charging taking so long to complete, I am not able to do as I please with my time. I am going to be forced into eating, shopping, whatever because of this. I mean just think of how stupid this is. Instead of just going to get gas which takes 10 minutes tops and then going about your business the way YOU DECIDE, you are now a prisoner with a ball and chain around your ankle. Instead of me being able to go to some restaurant of my choosing across town at the TIME I CHOOSE, I have to work my schedule around charging times or eat where I charge. Not practical, convenient or efficient. Like what kind of places do you think are going to be offering sit down meals near these things? 4 star restaurants or Taco Bells?

America is a while different animal we love our cars. It's not just transportation to us.

@coryCuc

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. You're absolutely right. And the huge vast swathes of land and the amount of miles people travel is astronomical compared to Europeans. You can drive 8 hours in Texas and not even leave the state. You can drive all across Europe in 8 hours.

@Isanniel

3 жыл бұрын

@@coryCuc No you can't. Texas is big but your perception of the size of Europe is way of.

@coryCuc

3 жыл бұрын

@@Isanniel I didn't mean literally all over Europe. Point being Europeans live in mostly densely populated areas and you could travel 8 hours through Europe and go through a half dozen countries or so.

@guythall

3 жыл бұрын

No doubt that cars are a big part of our life. Try driving an EV. Kick ass acceleration. EVs have more umph than gas cars. EVs have full torque at zero RPM. They beat the heck out of their gas counterparts at the drag strip. Those big diesel train engines? They are actually electric engines. They only use the diesel engine to fill a battery for an electric motor. A diesel engine would burn up trying to pull a train from a dead start. In fact there was a GM (or Ford?) TV ad showing their upcoming electric pickup pulling a train. Add to that a lower center of gravity, no hesitations, lower fueling costs and no air polluting tailpipe. However, i have to admit you'll lose the rumble, noise and vibration of a gas car. Just quiet, smooth, powerful acceleration.

@coryCuc

3 жыл бұрын

@@guythall Not sure what you're smoking if you think EVs are killing combustion engines at the drag strip? And you don't think people love the sound of a rumbly v8? Or a high naturally aspirated v-10 with twin turbos? And how do you think the fuel cells are produced? What do you think powers the power stations? Fossil fuels. Donut Media did a comparison of the cost of an ev and a combustion vehicle (as well as other studies). It's not as low of a carbon footprint as you think.

There is a video of a guy who drove from southern England to Northern Scotland with an electric car. Some charging stops were free, others charged by the KW. The trip averaged out to equal cost to a gas vehicle! Once “They” have us hooked, the other shoe will drop!$$$$$

@91156

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, there is no free charge. Someone is paying for it.

One thing to consider is whether the electric grid could handle the extra draw on the system. I personally think there will be problems with it.

@91156

3 жыл бұрын

There are already problems with it.

@bikerdad63

3 жыл бұрын

@@91156 I agree, and it's only going to get worse.

@clausbecker9350

3 жыл бұрын

There is plenty of unused capacity at night

Hundo, unfolded, on top of the Cream eight track tape, on top of the first column of law books, on the left side of the first shelf of the main cabinet. 472.

@cheeto4493

3 жыл бұрын

Uhh, I had to come to the comments to find this one. Even zoomed in 400%, I can barely make it out.

"I keep hearing it, cause I keep saying it." This Steve fellow sounds like either a teach or a lawyer.

@aterfelis4708

3 жыл бұрын

Alternative possible professions include, but are not limited to, gas station attendant, tow truck driver, radio personality, or world famous author.

@atticstattic

3 жыл бұрын

Or a disc jockey...

Steve mentions Jay Leno. Doesn't mention he was on the show :-) Just happened across it the other day.

@DiscoFang

3 жыл бұрын

Yes he does, he’s said it several times.

Leno has an old Baker electric car. It merely has several batteries for power.

Norway has ample hydro-electric production. Charging station infrastructure is not as complicated nor as expensive as say the state of California. I believe you will see a large petro driven black market in some places where electricity isn't cheap nor plentiful.

The Norwegian Blue! My favorite dead parrot ...

The Norwegian Blue stuns easily - pretends he's dead. Norway is Europe's biggest oil and gas producer. Cheers Stuart

@memyname1771

3 жыл бұрын

Nailed to the purch?

@andreichichak5242

3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful plumage

A year and half ago I was looking into buying a local, small town gas station. With the building needing repairs, electric market getting stronger, petroleum vehicles getting better mpg AND bigger fuel tanks I started wondering that after a 10-15 CFD or mortgage, would the business be able to still pay for itself or be sell-able then. After all, the larger towns were only 20-30 miles away in various directions.

We've started getting a lot of fast charge points where i live in the uk . Amazon are buying electric delivery vans

The only problem is the electric grid. We already have rolling black outs in some areas In the country.

@gatorboys474

3 жыл бұрын

I am currently driving a Chevy Volt with a Tesla Cybertruck on order. I put solar panels on my roof last year. Problem solved!

@SNAKE465

3 жыл бұрын

norway is mostly hydroelectric 88% is just hydropower. so the power is very stable here but the net is not dimensioned for everybody to have ev or the distance is to great for current ev cars

@noahhastings6145

3 жыл бұрын

@@gatorboys474 Oh, congratulations on the 6 figure income! Or, that sucks about the insane levels of debt you're in...

@mbak7801

3 жыл бұрын

The US has underinvested in infrastructure for decades. Spend the money for a better grid. Problem solved.

When batteries can charge as fast as I can fill my gas tank then I will think about getting one.

@TheBandit7613

3 жыл бұрын

Look at how cheap Nissan leaf cars are to buy used. The batteries go bad in about 3 or 4 years and cost $15,000 to replace. They can stuff their EV up there...

@frankdelucey2137

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBandit7613 I definitely understand. I have a 2000 Toyota 4Runner SR5, My kids always want to go crazy places so I have to bring a spare 5gallon gas can on our adventures. I don't think the battery vehicles can be swapped in the middle of a trail in the mountains lol And I definitely don't think they would make it through the first water/mud hole 😆

I remember hearing that it was a certain Mr Slartibartfast that designed the Fjords of Norway. He said he just loved "the frilly bits". As I recall, he has been given the job of designing the new Africa on the Earth re-build project, so that will be heavily fjorded in future. (If you don't believe me, just check out The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, an easily recognisable book as on its front cover, in large friendly letters, it advises "Don't Panic !")

As others have mentioned, gas stations make their money from the convenience store side of their business. However as time goes on gasoline will be an expense for some of them and they'll stop setting gas. If they have a cafe they might switch to offering charging. Here in Ireland gas stations are also offering postal drop boxes. Not as useful in pandemic times, but once we're back in the office it can be handy.

In California they don't even have enough power to keep the lights on now. Where are they going to get the power to charge all these cars? The 2 remaining Nuclear plants are scheduled to shutdown in the next few years.

@clausbecker9350

3 жыл бұрын

Not a problem since there is plenty of capacity at night.

@gorgly123

3 жыл бұрын

@@clausbecker9350 You mean when the sun goes down and the solar plants aren't producing any power? Usually the wind dies off at night so windmills don't work very good at night too. That will be when people will be plugging in their cars. The dynamic has shifted with solar and wind. At night power demand goes up.

It must help to cut down on range anxiety when you have no place to go.

Steve, would you believe, I haven't used any Gas lawn tools? I have greenpower (battery operated) chainsaw, 8 ft pole saw, leaf blower, and 24 inch lawn mower. And the batteries double as emergency power, because they have a 400 watt power inverter that can run off of them in case your power goes out. As a younger person, I've never had to put gas into a lawn mower etc. I do have to deal with oil though for the chainsaws! Ha. Also, down here where i've recently moved to mexico, gasoline is 22 pesos / liter, which is roughly $4.50/gallon (Mexico doesn't refine oil, so it exports oil up to the us and then imports refined gasoline)

A better question is what is the mix of electric to gas boats in Norwegian fjords.

@alshotrodsandratrods8780

3 жыл бұрын

An even better question is the lawn mower stats. They are jus as irrelevant as the boats. Then lets discuss chain saws and weed whackers.

@fast.biking_freddy

3 жыл бұрын

@@alshotrodsandratrods8780 it's a joke 😂

@alshotrodsandratrods8780

3 жыл бұрын

@@fast.biking_freddy Did you really take my reply seriously or are you joking too?

"Once it starts accelerating, thats when the acceleration gets going" Well, you aren't wrong....

One electric at home for runabout and a big cruiser for the long drives, the need for gas stations on every corner becomes reduced

@yadayada752

3 жыл бұрын

Putting more people out of work

Colorado and Minnesota have few people living on fjords.

Currently electric cars for the cities and densely populated areas I can understand but out in the country is another thing. Try the Australian outback, parts of Africa, South America and Russia!

@craigmartin1750

3 жыл бұрын

Add Canada to your list. I know people who leave home with 400 litres of diesel and hope the get back without running out of fuel. No gas stations and definitely no changing stations.

@clausbecker9350

3 жыл бұрын

I seem to remember the Outback as being pretty sunny. Slab some PV panels on your roof and you are golden

Norway doesn't drive like we do in North America. If I bought a electric vehicle I would be pushing it alot or sitting a huge portion at charging station.

@clausbecker9350

3 жыл бұрын

You would have made a bad choice of car then. Modern EVs like the Kia 6, the Teslas, the Taycan and more charge to 80% in less than 20 min. Then you can go for three to four hrs on the hwy.

@ralphsmith2683

3 жыл бұрын

If I bought AN electric vehicle...not A electric vehicle

@Steve Lehto, our power gird does not have the capacity to all of the electric cars if the US went electric only. Norway does so it is no problem for them.

@guythall

3 жыл бұрын

@Steve, @David, Grid managers are aware of this and moving forward with solutions that also can reduce costs. In California, a study by Pamela MacDougall, senior manager of power grid modernization working with Lawrence Berkeley National Labs and Pacific Gas & Electric, looked at what would happen if EVERY household in a northern California town had an electric car. They found that the best solution to that problem is simply to nudge people away from charging their cars as soon as they get home from work so that charging begins at off-peak times.That alone would resolve most power issues without extra capacity being needed. In fact, EVs can be an important part the solution for grids. EVs can help take pressure off the grid during demand spikes or potential brownouts, MacDougall said. An EV is, after all, a large battery hooked up to the power grid. When demand in an area rises, upcoming EVs can feed power back into the grid relieving some of the demand on generating stations. I've talked with many utility executives that understand the issue and are moving forward with solutions. In fact this gives them more consumers of their product in a way that they can reduce the overall cost of power to all their customers and increase reliability in delivery.

@davidpeterson6147

3 жыл бұрын

@@guythall I worked in the power industry and we would need an increase of 30% (very conservative, closer to 50%) in power production. Using an EV as a source of standby power for the grid during peak times would only be a Band-Aid solution and reduce the range of EV overall if the EV were required to feed power back into the grid. I am glad you did not mention renewable energy source since renewable energy do not have enough of a constant output to meet the needs of the power grid. The winter months would be the biggest challenge since the range of EV are reduced and would require more frequent charging. The ultimate solution is an EV with a monthly range of 1000 miles regardless of the month. This would allow most to charge their EV on weekends. You will find most studies skip over the reduced range of the life of an EV and the impact of the winter months. Germany tried very hard to make a push towards renewable energy sources and EV. It was a complete failure due to the requirement of very pollution intensive power generating sources such as natural gas powered generators and coal powdered plant in neighboring countries. The only readily available means of energy production which can be quickly constructed is nuclear power production which could be constructed to meet the 30% overall increase in our power grid production.

I fuel my car for another 300 miles in less than 4 minutes from pulling off to driving away. And it is nice and toasty inside while outside, between Timmins and Nipigon it is 35 below...

Interesting fact about Norway, a lot of it is not covered in an electric grid.

@ThomasGabrielsen

3 жыл бұрын

What? Where did you get that information from? I have never visited a single house in Norway that is not connected to the power grid.

@JasonW.

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThomasGabrielsen I base this on the grid coverage of Norway, published by the GENI. Obviously in village driving will likely have power.

@ThomasGabrielsen

3 жыл бұрын

@@JasonW. I suggest you find another source because that's simply not true.

Norway's economy is all funded by North Sea oil. The reason they can overpay for EVs.

The media conveniently ignores increasing power grid failures. Just recently in Texas look what happened. Where are you gonna plug in??

@norfolkdragons866

3 жыл бұрын

If your EV is charged before the failure you can run your entire house off of the car for around four days. Having a dodgy grid is a great argument for owning an EV just as a back up battery.

Steve, I'm old enough to remember when very few gas stations not located near an interstate interchange also sold diesel fuel. That was because, diesel cars were a rarity. Now, most gas stations sell both, and I'd bet that, as electric cars become more common, many of them will replace some of their pumps with charging stations.

@Foolish188

3 жыл бұрын

Thank God they sell Diesel. My idiotic discount heating oil provider forgot to deliver. Totally ran out. Had to buy diesel for a couple of days. Next year back to the more expensive distributor. Grr

If you think there's problems with RVs now just wait until they're fighting over limited charge stations in RV parks. Found On Road Dead could have a new meaning.

@Krieghandt

3 жыл бұрын

Luckily, trucks are behind cars atm. But when the big boys decide to go electric, Love's TA, Flying J, and Pilot will have recharging stations in a jiffy.

@kc9scott

3 жыл бұрын

What I’ve heard about RV parks is that their existing electrical hookups are pretty good for charging EVs. If your RV is an EV (probably not such a good vehicle type to build as an EV, since people take long road trips with them), it could charge while you’re doing your normal stuff there.

Watch Bjorn Nyland's KZread channel. He drives EVs all over Norway including above the Arctic circle.

@jnnknnn9244

3 жыл бұрын

A.k.a. ”teslabjorn”, a highly recommended youtuber.👍

So funny...@ beginning when you said fjord, I immediately remembered Monte Python, then you mentioned it! Interesting to see what happens with the electric cars. There is a charging station near me and I never see anyone using it. Hi Heather PEACE

@guythall

3 жыл бұрын

It's amazing to watch the change taking place. The first year I saw a charging station unused. The next year some in use and the following year congested. Disruption.

I'll be over my range anxiety when I retire and can recharge from the solar on my RV. It may be worth hanging on to my 20+ year old truck a few more years until they commercially produce a replacement.

They have to solve the defunct battery disposal/recycling from end of life vehicles and cost of replacement batteries during the life of the vehicle. And the proper disposal of all those batteries.

@norfolkdragons866

3 жыл бұрын

When the battery is no longer powerful enough to drive a car (which seems to be around 150,000 miles), they get repurposed as home storage for folk with solar panels. They will last in that role for around another 5 years before getting recycled - and they are 94% recyclable. Volkswagen has plans to build three big recycling factories for their cars - as in they've already bought the land for them.

@gene8172

3 жыл бұрын

What do they do with dead car batteries now?

@karenfay4545

3 жыл бұрын

@@gene8172 what Norfolk Dragon is all true but not widespread. Recycling of batteries is happening but needs to be MASSIVELY scaled up. Recovery points for discarded batteries needs to become ubiquitous. The big chunks like vehicle batteries of all types is less difficult the really hard part is recycling the diversity of consumer product batteries. Right now the vast majority of these batteries are not being responsibly, properly disposed of and are ending up in places they shouldn’t be.

@karenfay4545

3 жыл бұрын

@@norfolkdragons866 please see my reply elsewhere in this thread and please amplify and or correct anything I set out in that reply.

This past winter killed one of my dewalt batteries. I'm so looking forward to replacing a $2k battery pack because it got too cold to charge, and drained

@staudtj1

3 жыл бұрын

I've owned two electric cars and neither would charge the battery if it were too cold. The Battery packs have built in Thermal Management that preheats the pack so that it can be charged.

@joshuarosen465

3 жыл бұрын

EVs have active thermal management of the batteries that keeps the batteries at a comfortable temperature. They work fine at -40 and they work fine at 120F. The warranty on the battery pack is at least 100K miles, Tesla has a 120K mile eight year warranty. Don't confuse the way batteries are managed in power tools or phones with the way that they are managed in a car. Cars not only control the temperature but also the rate of charge and prevent you from over or undercharging the batteries. That greatly extends the life of the batteries. They have to do that because they don't want to do warranty replacements of battery packs at $15000 a pop. Phone and tool companies have completely different motivations. Apple wants your iPhone's battery to fail, as long as it does so out of warranty, that ensures that you'll buy a new iPhone. That's true of all small appliances and tools, it's important to them that the batteries fail so that you'll have to buy a new one. Car companies can't do that. A car is expected to last at least 10 years, generally more, and they have long warranties which puts the replacement costs on them not on the consumer for a long time, 8 years in Tesla's case.

@jbbuzzable

3 жыл бұрын

You have a $2k dewalt battery pack? What even is that?

Norway has unbounded free hydro electricity, that is why they are going EV. We Americans are generally charging our EVs burning natural gas or coal.

There is also another factor to consider. As real estate, especially in, and around large cities, increases in value, a gas station, which essentially needs to be a ground level operation, with nothing built on top of it, is not going to be a practical use of land. This is already happening. As far as I know, in Midtown Manhattan, there is one gas station, and they charge about three times market rate. On the other hand, charging stations, both high speed, and outlets furnished to parking spaces, can be put anywhere you can drive a car into. They can be on the first floor of a tall building, or in the basement of one. Many people that have a garage basically almost never need such facilities.

@guythall

3 жыл бұрын

Or on the second, third, fourth,... floors.

@klepow

3 жыл бұрын

@@guythall You'd need a really big elevator. 🤣

I just bought my first electric car. A Chevy Bolt. Damn it's fun to drive and has a range of over 200 miles. The newer designs have the same range, AND charge several times faster. I don't think I'll ever buy another gasoline car....

Not gonna happen anytime soon in the US. Cars are very expensive in the small county of Norway. Also very cold there which is not good for battery life.

@MrDernagon

3 жыл бұрын

Actually Norway is very temperate for that latitude because it is at the end of the Gulf Stream. The weather is only slightly colder than Washington state instead of the other regions at the same latitude such as Alaska or Siberia.

@machintelligence

3 жыл бұрын

I suspect that long distance transportation is by rail and most cars are for short trips, primarily, in Norway. I could be wrong, though.

@MrDernagon

3 жыл бұрын

@@machintelligence Most of the population lives in fjords so maybe boat/ferry is more common, but you could be right about railway. Europe in general uses a lot of trains.

@ScubaSteveCanada

3 жыл бұрын

Correct. Not mentioned, by Electrek, was HOW Norway achieved their status. Major incentives, the charging infrastructure is extensive in Norway and convenient. A realistic cutoff date for ending gas/diesel sales. None of which has happened in North America. Tesla turns a profit, not by selling EV vehicles, but by selling carbon credits to other manufacturers (something Elon won't make public announcements about.

@fishgutz4272

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScubaSteveCanada Norway killed 97% of Teslas competition. 😀😃😄

When superconductors were in the news years ago I read about non-chemical electric storage. A capacitor like device that would charge quickly. Have not heard anything about it lately. That could make a fast charge EV and weigh less.

Jay Leno also stated that restoring or maintaining older vehicles is better for the environment than buying new hybrids or evs. Put that in your pipe and smoke it up! Lol

@mostrosticator

3 жыл бұрын

True. Is anyone talking about the batteries and the toxicity of these batteries?

@fast.biking_freddy

3 жыл бұрын

The most environmentally friendly is combining the two: converting your own car to electric.

The agency that just evicted me, made the front page of the "Canton Repository" for corruption the same day I was evicted, Thursday. Class action is pending. Any attorney that wants to help, pls reach out.

@perrygibson8419

3 жыл бұрын

@@420frankp I have. The attorneys I've talked with want me to do the work. One even said "did you soupena the fire Marshall". Wtf, like I know how to soupena someone. I'm working on it though. I've even been discouraged because ohio is a "landlord friendly state". This is why I'm asking for outside help.

@alshotrodsandratrods8780

3 жыл бұрын

@@perrygibson8419 I just asked the clerk of court how to subpoena someone and she gave me the paperwork. But you can't subpoena someone until you have a court date.

@perrygibson8419

3 жыл бұрын

@@alshotrodsandratrods8780 too late for me, in that regard. I'm gonna sue, not only did the court fail me in proper legal representation, they helped in my eviction. The court just let blatant lies fly, not impartial at all. Again, this agency that evicted was on the front page of our local newspaper (Canton Repository)for what they did to me.

@alshotrodsandratrods8780

3 жыл бұрын

@@perrygibson8419 The court doesn't provide you with legal representation unless you are charged with a crime that has the potential for jail time. Eviction isn't a crime. It's a civil matter. You needed to get your own lawyer.

@perrygibson8419

3 жыл бұрын

@@alshotrodsandratrods8780 I understand that. Again, no attorney wanted to help me and the court didn't give me a continuence but gave the complainant one. And there was alot of confusion. Bro, a different magistrate "mediated for hours off record and sided with them. Frankly I was railroaded

Would you buy a used electric car knowing it needs a new battery pack costing more than the car is worth?

@gwcrispi

3 жыл бұрын

This. Very few Teslas have "aged out". I'm already seeing tons of Priuses on used car lots.

@norfolkdragons866

3 жыл бұрын

Second hand prices for used Teslas are strong - there's less depreciation than on similarly priced gas cars. So the market don't think it's a problem. Plenty of people with 100,000 miles on their EV and still got 85% of initial range. Only car I wouldn't buy secondhand is the Leaf - they really messed up the battery management on those.

@dougshrader7721

3 жыл бұрын

@@serge4856 I'm 58, had to replace a cat 1 time, not an issue.

Unleaded gas and electronic ignition killed the corner 2 bay garage . Necessary maintenance was cut to about 10 %.

One thing I thought ahead on with this issue when I bought my 2011 Silverado 4 years ago, I bought it for the fact that it runs on e85. I was hoping this will allow me to keep running this vehicle for longer than most cars could and wait for an affordable electric car.

Hey, Norwegian here I see you know about our electric car enthusiasm but have you seen our gas prices? 😂

@donreinke5863

3 жыл бұрын

And how much are you paying in electric bills to charge those glorified golf carts?

@IsYitzach

3 жыл бұрын

@@donreinke5863 electricity is cheaper than gas per unit of energy. Here, gas is $.94/kWh and electricity is $.13/kWh. Norway actually taxes their gas compared to American gas tax, which hasn't been touched in decades, so they probably have even more incentive than Americans. Also, Tesla makes some pretty sporty cars; hardly golf carts. You really should think before speaking.

@Summit900

3 жыл бұрын

@@IsYitzach You say "think before your speak" right after you say US gas isn't taxed. lol

@donreinke5863

3 жыл бұрын

@@IsYitzach I always think....maybe YOU should. Tesla makes some of the ugliest cars Ive ever seen, on par with the Pontiac Aztek, but then that is completely subjective. Gasoline here is $2.80 a gallon, or roughly 70 cents per liter.and was even cheaper before that loser Biden was fraudulently "elected" Since glorified golf carts have been estimated to at least double electricity demand, (should the majority of people be owning one) nothing is to be gained considering additional natural gas and coal that must be burned to generate the needed electricity, and there is also the factor of spent high level fuel waste from nuclear power plants which will be dangerous/deadly for thousands of years. No way Im buying any electric vehicle.

@IsYitzach

3 жыл бұрын

@@Summit900 I did say it is taxed. It hasn't been upped in so long, it might as not be.

Most Americans are not Norwegians and we don't have the infrastructure to support all the electric cars.

Worth to note is that you don't have to pay VAT on electric cars in norway (25%) and also the car tax you pay every year is lower.

I've already seen a couple gas stations close for good around where I live.

Electric cars are way more expensive to repair as most mechanics have no clue how to repair them, or they take advantage price wise over this

@MikinessAnalog

3 жыл бұрын

Also having a dangerous 300 - 450 Volt battery has a shock hazard potential EV mechanics may want a premium pay for repairing.

@DiscoFang

3 жыл бұрын

It’s funny. In Tesla’s own presentation of the Semi Truck they show cost comparisons for running and maintenance. In that there is a comparison between long term maintenance costs of Tesla Model S’ and equivalent ICE cars. They work out about the same. This is Tesla’s own data.

@MikinessAnalog

3 жыл бұрын

@@DiscoFang Meaning biased. I guess they think people will believe that as much as an independent reviewer.