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When I went to U. of Michigan, 50 years ago, it was common practice for the staff to invite "controversial" speakers -- the head of the Communist Party, a public Neo-Nazi, a famously racist southern senator, etc. -- and the professors would order their student to attend, take notes, and prepare to make arguments at the next class afterward. The students responded with marvelous reports, arguments, debates, etc. None of them ever claimed to be "damaged" or "traumatized" by the experience. Clearly, the experience sharpened their wits and made them intellectually tougher, and nobody ever asked to have the program discontinued. ...How have the mighty fallen.

@jimlivininoz

Жыл бұрын

Yawn 🥱 the projection from white pseudo intellectuals

@user-sg8kq7ii3y

Жыл бұрын

50 years ago I am willing to bet that the University of Michigan (like most Universities in the United States) were white male dominated, and had very little ethnic or religious diversity amongst its staff. I am willing to bet that there was a severe lack of opportunities for women - both in leadership positions as well as for opportunities like athletics. Even WHITE women lacked leadership opportunities in those days. Even worse - Asian, Hispanic and Black women were virtually non-existent in college leadership positions. The vast majority of professors were white males; the majority of athletic coaches were white males; the vast majority of college administrators were white males; the vast majority of college advisory boards were white males. So you basically had white males doing all of the educating. Not sure how much learning can occur with such a lack of diversity.

@davidcottrell1308

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely.

I completely agree with Jonathan Haidt that the world has become a hysterical mess post 2015. It seems like every day there's a new conflict or crisis popping up, and it can be overwhelming to keep up with it all. But it's important to remember that despite all the chaos, there are still good people out there working to make the world a better place. He’s right. The best way to possibly reason with somebody is to listen hard

@lreeher

Жыл бұрын

Not "the world" but in particular the United States.

@big_red_machine3547

Жыл бұрын

@@lreeher How about “The West instead of “The world?”

What a refreshing conversation! I'm a get x person who is very thoughtful about the topics you are discussing. This is my first exposure to Jonathan Haidt and I'm impressed!

It's become so exhausting just to keep some friendships going because so many people are unable to listen to ideas outside their own, isolated, righteous, liberalism. I am a liberal thinker, fighting my own just to keep intellectual integrity alive - on life support.

I’m here because of the Tim Ferris podcast interview with Dr. Jonathan Haidt. The courage, the intellectual curiosity and the capacity to love of this man is inspiring.

Tim, this is one of those episodes where you know it is going to be good, but it is actually better than expected. Specially from the GenZ part, near the end. I hope you have him again, when he puts out his next book, which I hope is on this theme. As soon as you asked him to get more personal, he really got the message across in a more potent way. Thanks very much, for yet another great one. Cheers from Portugal ;)

Thank you so much for asking Jonathan about his personal habits. They were so good to hear.

Wow, Tim!!! What a great interview, and that's for linking all of the info Jon had provided throughout the discussion.

i've been listening on and off to Tim Ferris for almost a decade now. I'm starting to see a lot of different media guys that blew up in the 2010s get older in the past decade and its a reminder of my age as i've gotten older myself. Whatever Tim is doing with his health, it's working because he looks pretty much the same (with the exception of the hair). I have to go back to 4HBody and do a refresh lol

Excellent guest. Can’t wait to listen!!!

Thank you for this amazing interview!

Excellent discussion, gentlemen...thank you!

that morning routine reading stoicism/budishm/philosophy is exactly what I do before doing anything else at all. amazing. Im so happy this episode made it into the world.

@jzen1455

Жыл бұрын

Ironically, the recent guest on The Daily Stoic talks about certainty and how to defend it as opposed to having a open mind.

@XOXOX4242

Жыл бұрын

@@jzen1455 interesting, who was the guest and what was his arguement to defent certainty? I tend to agree with da vinci, who said 'the primary delusion people suffer from is their own opinions' and Socrates, who stated 'the more I know, the more I know that I dont know'

Thank you Tim and Jonathan for sharing your knowledge and experience online. The core value which shines brightest is respect. When we deviate too far from respecting others we become distant from happiness. I look forward to listening to more from both of you. 😊

Thanks gentlemen !!! ,A great interview!!! A Happy New Year !!

One of my favourite interviews. Thank you!

Excellent content! Bravo! Love the work of Jonathan Haidt! One of my favorute podcasts the last months I think! 👌👌 Thank you Tim & Jonathan!!

@democracymeansdcstatehood3606

Жыл бұрын

Have you mostly been watching stuff by right wing white men?

@jer-bearzy

Жыл бұрын

I am a J Haidt stalker

Jonathan Haidt is an amazing psychologist, no doubt

Such a fantastic book and conversation. I have learned a lot from Haidt on engaging people from varying perspectives to better understand views different than my own. His 6 part understanding of morality and politics is an amazing grid to think through challenging topics. In addition to the rider and the elephant (Hume's argument). I have carried a lot of his ideas into my podcast at Intersecting Ideas.

Brilliant interview!

The essay you mention around @11:00 was by George Orwell, "Shooting an Elephant."

Thank you so much Tim❤

As someone who was very liberal from birth (1980), was homeless from 16-19, traveled from 20-24, married a soldier, went through 3 deployments while he was in, waited 10 years before having kids, and now have an autoimmune disorder... I absolutely agree. Travel or opening up your mind is a very good thing to go through. You learn empathy and compassion. Love and hate. You gain common sense. You learn to look at the world, and ultimately yourself and your place in it, from many different angles. Then as you grow you you have to fit all this new information into yourself and your own corner of the world. I was classic liberal. I'm not constitutional conservative. I never EVER thought that would happen. It started years ago but 2020 solidified it. It was an interesting time to have an identity crisis 🥴 You said something that I have said many times, sometimes while crying in despair. That we need the left and the right to make this work. The left pushes us to become more. To change. To grow. The right keeps us from going all Thelma and Louise over the cliff... We are now falling over the cliff. Those of us who have figured out what we are supposed to be doing and why everyone is so important to keeping the teeter totter balanced, are desperately trying to win the tug of war. To save ourselves, we must save us all.

@ubergeraldine

Жыл бұрын

In hugely travelled and lived in Africa for 15 years. What I learned was pretty much what you said = but also that somethings are not assimilable. Some cultures cannot meld. So you move on.

@rosalbadelriogarcia9598

Жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as #autoimmune disorder where your body attacks itself. You are reacting to histamine. Maybe from the food you eat? Your autoimmune system mostly recognizes Germs and viruses. You could try a high fatty amino acid nutritional regiment where you prioritize 1_FAT-(lard, tallow, suet, duck, fat, coconut oil, olive oil, flax oil and stay away from oils that get processed unnaturally do have avocado's, walnuts cheese, butter all heavy saturated fats will have the correct Omega and the proper form of VitD and fat soluble vitamins and fatty aminos) 2_PROTEIN-(any meat from any animal specially fatty meats like pork) cheeses, eggs, cracklings and jerky can be carried around at all times and any fat and protein should be eaten to satisfy all HUNGER. 3_SALT- human beings need crazy amounts of salt. Every culture worldwide has high salt smoked meats that like jerky gets carried around or stored or dried for later use and portability. Salt everything to taste. #TheSaltFix #BestEverfoodReviewShow 4_Magnesium #yorkCardiology 5_potassium 6_calcium 7_seasonal carbohydrates that agree with your country of origin genetically... Like some countries don't eat cactus or beans etc and yuca or cassaba is not supposed to be in every Continent and even potatoes should not be eaten by everyone etc you decide as you get healthy but do eat many green fruits and vegetables. All carbs ARE ALL THE VEGETATION natural or refined. The Doze is the poison. #keto #carnivoreCure #metabolicMind #CharlieFoundation #dietDr #proteinLeverageHyphothesis #DrDaleBrenesen #DrDonaldLayman #DrJasonFung #LowCarbUSA #LowCarbDownUnder #LiesMyDoctorToldMe #RichardPerkins #HolisticHerdManagement #savoryInstitute #AllanSAVORY #joelSalatin #reindeerherdsman #FOODDESERT #tissuehealing #burnvictims Heal your body heal your brain. #metabolicHealthSummit

So inspiring intervew!!! 👏👏👏❤️ Thank you, thank you!!

Very encouraging!

i recommend this book and the happiness hypothesis

Going to India in 1996 completely changed me. I saw so much happiness there, lack of anxiety and resentment and no anger in irritating situations.

@ms-jl6dl

Жыл бұрын

India is 1,3 billion people and about as big as USA. And "you've seen India"?

@bobdillaber1195

Жыл бұрын

@ms 13 Tell us all about your experience in India . We're waiting. Then we'll compare your experience to his to see who has more to contribute to a valuable discussion.

@ubergeraldine

Жыл бұрын

It's a different sporty if you look harder. Thousands of street kids, drug and alcohol addiction in the backwaters of Kerala where fishing communities were wiped out by the tsunami still suffering ... women going to the middle east for work, their young daughters shouldering their absence in ways you don't want to know... visited a doctor friend three years ago working there. Its not all happiness at all.

@lynnebucher6537

Жыл бұрын

​@@ubergeraldine well to be fair, she said she went in 1996... 27 years ago.

@karouselkar3149

Жыл бұрын

over 22 years have passed since you saw some of India. Without info as to living conditions and geography there is little context... And likely much has changed there just as it has nearly planet wide

great content

Would like to know more about his FGM point. I don't think circumcisions are comparable. He used it and then backed off it and moved on but this is very important because this is NOT acceptable on a moral or cultural level simply for the sake of tolerance or understanding?

@zantecarroll4448

Жыл бұрын

I love the topic of intellectual bravery...questioning pompous, self-proclaimed intellectual and moral superiority! Does clearly opposing a variety of male dominated religions imperative to force a mother to choose between the threat of social banishment, most likely plunging her and her daughter into poverty and stripping them both of social dignity, or... ... to mutilate, or oversee the mutilating of her very young daughters vagina, so the child wont grow up to be 'too' sexual and offend her future husbands fragile sensibilities (not that far in the future as the older men of these fundamentalist patriarchal religions often prefer very very young wives) and eliminate any chance the grown woman might want to have sex with anyone else (now theres a husband with intellectual fragility), does this not-really-very-nuanced issue really fall into the category of a cookie cutter false morality to be bravely questioned and turned around to see if it really was as bad as all that? Imagine if in some parallel universe there were two women discussing morality and intellectual fragility and chuckling about one of their female mentors admirable, if perverse, display of intellectual bravery by questioning whether the herd mentality, black and white view of the 'tragedy' of a growing number of physically healthy men in contemporary societies committing suicide really was such a bad bad thing after all? Perhaps it wasn't really one of the greatest tragedies of the time? Maybe it was just the intellectual fragility, the reflexive liberal moral outrage that jumped to an erroneous, finger-pointing conclusion? Smugly demanding immediate action on solving this social tragedy! I don't know..growing numbers of healthy men committing suicide sounds bad..really really bad.. But lets not be a weak and intellectually fragile thinker and jump to conclusions...lets be brave and consider that it might not be all that bad?..lets turn it around and see if it really really makes sense to call it bad? ..Really bad. Here's a false intellectual morality to be 'bravely' questioned .. Isn't the child's blood on the hands of the clerics of the religions who declare the mutilating of her vagina moral and necessary and for her own good? Is it the mothers who should go to prison? I would be more impressed if his mentor chose that false morality to illustrate intellectual bravery

@SusannahPerri

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree. Please see my comment too. It’s especially offensive coming from privileged, white American men.

@zantecarroll4448

Жыл бұрын

@@SusannahPerri yes exactly ! If you have a chance please read my long winded rant, i tried to make a parallel to illuminate how irritatingly disingenuous i found the comment on fgm!

@SusannahPerri

Жыл бұрын

@@zantecarroll4448 I did read your comment, thank you for writing it! I am shocked at the other responses not calling them on it. They treat it like it’s merely part of an intellectual discussion. Doesn’t effect them I guess. The very definition of white privilege, and I don’t throw terms out like that often. But it applies here.

@zantecarroll4448

Жыл бұрын

@@SusannahPerri yes! it is very weird that no one else seems to have called it out ..i think i know why... because he put in a little warning before he said it...the subtext was clear..'if you call this out you are a member of this despised class of intellectually fragile liberals who use morality convulsively for your own agenda' ... thats why i took the time to write the parallel because i found his remark unbelievably disingenuous and sneaky because if you didn't know more about fgm you might believe him and the other thing i found quite despicable was their little smirks and chuckles ..as if they were getting away with something ..with what i cant help wondering?..what possible reason could a grown man have to try to diminish the horrors of mutilating a little girls vagina ? And frame it as intellectual bravery? and if you disagreed with it you were guilty of intellectual fragility and moralizing! thanks for reading it i felt rather alone in my exasperation i usually enjoy tim ferris podcasts by the way Did you know Vangoghs grandson was stabbed to death in the street by a muslim man for making a film about a young woman, a victim of fgm who had escaped her husband. the filmmaker was found the next morning with a note attached to the knife in his stomach calling him an infidel or a heretic i cant remember exactly. Perhaps it is the starkness of the misogyny and the undeniable pure sadistic domination of a defenseless little girl, the worst possible betrayal by the people she depends on, and possibly worse than what is done to the child is what is done to the mother and the father, the moral injury to them cannot possibly ever be overcome ...to mutilate your own child? the whole dynamic is so inarguably indefensible that maybe it triggers in some men, and women, the fear that society, the family, as unconscious symbols in our collective psyche are busy amputating precious parts of ourselves? that society as it has stood for a very long time cannot be relied upon? i don't know? i cannot grasp any other response than the urgent need to protect those children and their mothers.

I see Jonathan Haidt, I click the like button. Great interview.

This was brilliant, enlightening, scary, and uncomfortable. I loved it. I read Coddling last year and just picked up Cancelling. I'll be applying these ideas in my pedagogy and, hopefully, challenging students in meaningful ways.

Such a fantastic talk. I gained so much insight. Thank you.

Absolutely exceptional! Thank you so much!

This podcast is most interesting and balanced - the sort of language that appeals to me. I attended school during an era wherein caning was still used in boys schools and girls were hit with a ruler. The teachers were very strict. While I believe that this approach was somewhat severe it did instill in us respect for others morals and how to conduct oneself in social situations. This is lacking in some of the younger generations. Thank you

@honeybadger5933

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Putting a child in "Time out" has grown up into "Safe spaces". No discipline or consequences for bad behavior is being taught anymore.

@user-sg8kq7ii3y

Жыл бұрын

If you grew up in a time when hitting children in schools were still allowed, then you also grew up in a time when things like systemic child molestation (like was discovered in the Catholic Church) was rampant in institutions.

This was dope

As a parent of ALL GenZ kids, it's obvious to me, online gaming, particularly for boys, IS their social network development, or much of it. They may meet online, kids in the neighborhood, but from different schools, and that quickly transfers to pickup baseball in the park or floor hockey in someone's driveway during the summer months, long bike rides to the the local lake to swim, or expeditions into some wilderness, etc. Girls also use chats to actively seek out other teens with similar interest, and as they age it become tiktok about ways to be the best at, makeup, organization, finance, self defense, crocheting, etc. Girls teach each other skills, is my observation.

@nedhill1242

Жыл бұрын

Your experience is completely different than what’s really happening with kids in general. Social media is causing girls to go insane and suicide, anxiety and all other forms of mental health issues and most of this trans nonsense today is because of social media especially with young girls. Social media is an evil. I was a child of the 70s. We didn’t have video games, cable, TV, or the Internet. We had lots of friends and we played sports year-round and we rode bicycles and we were gone from early in the morning till the street lights came on at night. We didn’t need video games and social media to make friends. You went outside and you played. You played with the kids in your neighborhood you played with the kids that lived in your town you played with kids they went to your school. You didn’t need any of that other bullshit that’s screwing up kids today.

People also hesitate to challenge ideas because they are afraid of the responsibility doing so will likely require: explaining what they mean in greater detail and with evidence. It's one thing to be afraid of backlash, and another to lack self-confidence. I suppose that both of these issues play into the importance of becoming antifragile. And they are also items that a reworking of core academic education could (should, really) address.

When are social media companies going to be held accountable for the damage they are wreaking on society?

Interesting you brought up Sam, who strangely seems to have become the most fragile mind in America

Man this was a good one. Hope he can drop by again to talk about his next books and more!

Sounds like he developed a deeper level of empathy for the evil in those who are blind to the truth of their loving nature. To have compassion for those who are living in Ego is transformative. LSD is a way if using a thing of the world, to step out of ego and open the mind/spiritual truth, to a new perspective.

I would recommend Job Chapter 28 transcends all this.

@9UaYXxB

Жыл бұрын

The Book of Job is preposterous. It is the height of absurdity.

I really enjoyed your conversation and your perspectives. I also became motivated to share a perspective from the framework of the tail end of the Baby Boomer Generation. When I perceive generation before the Baby Boomer generation I see the use of toxic shaming being handed down as an unbroken tradition. I bizarrely take a sense of generational pride in that I thought my Baby Boomer Generation overcame toxic shaming and would be seen as the watershed generation to put an end to it. Now, I humbly claim we overcame toxic shaming, but the latest generations have rediscovered the power of toxic shaming, and have little to no hesitation to using it to gain power. We failed to instill tolerance of tolerance, we fail to instill the importance of context, we failed to instill the importance of intentions, we failed to put a pin in toxic shaming, and now we fail to be accountable and dissect our failure to evolve and adapt to the changing environment of antisocial media.

Haidt is fantastic as usual!

Shooting an elephant by George Orwell?

Studying facts

“Shooting an Elephant “, George Orwell, 1936

Skepticism is good.

Questioning and looking at the other side, is just the old, 'playing the Devil's advocate '. What if?....Good to always keep an open mind.

43:31 You crack me up!

9:05 how does someone even begin to compare the two? 😶

So if you consider the diametric opposite - you have to keep considering the diametric opposite etc etc. I believe Christopher S Hyatt and Robert Anton Wilson did this - note the book Prometheus Rising. But what has it gained? Not a lot. The animal has a certain design. Some thinkers think they can outsmart it but it always reverts to type; a life form with consciousness manifesting through the fractal on which it is manifest.

1:37:46 Calvinball?

Excellent interview, Tim, Answered so many questions I had on suicide, Gen Z kids

@32:00 Re Tim being apolitical until 10 years ago: this is definitely a generational thing. I'm about Tim's age, and not only did I have the same experience, but I notice that most people around our age and raised in the culture as it existed in the 80s & 90s trend toward either being apolitical, or so skeptical of politics and politicians that it seems absurd to subscribe to a left / right paradigm. At least, it did in the US.

@jzen1455

Жыл бұрын

I was born in the early 80s and am more apolitical and skeptical of everything. I find gen X tends to be this way as well. However, a significant portion (but less so than younger generations) still just go along with whatever their "team" believes in. I remember how things culture and politics have changed over the years. I remember how many mainstream democrats from Obama and prior were against same-sex marriage, for strong immigration restrictions, welfare reform, free trade, and further to the right than they are now. I remember how republicans were more religious, overtly racist, authoritarian but have become more libertarian and secular overall. I remember the many ways various acceptable forms of behaviors have changed in my lifetime. I think many either have forgotten how things were or were too young to remember.

@integrativepsychonautics

Жыл бұрын

@@jzen1455 Well said! I remember all these things too, you're absolutely right on all these points

Yeah, I was going to say... team sports... that's ultimate self-sacrifice for the better of the team, although it might include moments of personal attention.

I too view the world from a more detached perspective. I view my interaction with the world as one long continuous anthropological, sociological, psychological case study on human behavior as a scientist would observe animals in the wild. I also view the world as a complex video game with certain cause/effect parameters.

@scottsherman5262

Жыл бұрын

Let me guess...no kids??

@karensams994

8 ай бұрын

@@scottsherman5262lollllllllll

To wrestling I would add Martial Arts, because teaching kids to fight is very good for their self-confidence.

What Haidt is starting to understand is that the left right dynamic is just two extremes of ourselves.

@nedhill1242

Жыл бұрын

There are very few extremist on the right. In fact, the average republican conservative libertarian is far closer to the middle today than the average person on the left. Even the New York Times has done studies on this and the average Democrat the average person on the left is even more progressive than progressives in Europe. The left and this country has lost its mind. That’s why millions and millions of Democrats voted for Trump. That’s why people like Tulsi Gabbard are leaving the Democratic Party. People like Jimmy Dore and Bill Maher. Call him the Democrats a cult. People like Bret Weinstein calling the Democrats a cult. Because it is.

@hyperretroactivehyperretro5992

Жыл бұрын

@@nedhill1242 I said extremes and you come back and reply with average think about that.

@nedhill1242

Жыл бұрын

@@hyperretroactivehyperretro5992 Lol Average think My aren’t we impressed with ourselves. There was nothing average about my response. It was simply facts about the reality of left and right in America. But I went back and read your comment and realized I mis-read it. But as far as the common itself, it is the reality of the current situation. Facts don’t care about high mindedness.

@hyperretroactivehyperretro5992

Жыл бұрын

@@nedhill1242 Yes but my comment was about the extremes. Which do exist both left and right. And who has more or is more is kind of silly and irrelevant.

@nedhill1242

Жыл бұрын

@@hyperretroactivehyperretro5992 There are extremists on both sides. But they are very few on the right and they are marginalized. The extremist are running the Democratic Party and Hollywood publishing, etc. Woke-ism is beyond extreme. No limitations on abortion is extreme. Even in Europe, abortion is limited to 12 weeks in almost every country. Even the New York Times part of the story about eight or 10 years ago that the Democrats are now farther left than the progressives in Europe, and they were nowhere near is bat shit crazy 10 years ago as they are today. You’re living in fantasyland if you don’t think the left is not extreme right now in this country. But they’re that way because they are in fact authoritarian’s and fascists. It’s Marxism straight up. Especially the culture war. That is straight out of cultural Marxism coming from the 1960s out of France. The Marxist philosophers that created postmodernism which evolved into critical theory. That then came to American universities in the 70s and 80s and here we are today. Search KZread for the 1984 interview with Yuri Bezmenov.

Most of this interview is very edifying and intelligent. However, about the FGM practice: I was surprised to not hear Tim or John condemn it outright. Are they hinting that they believe it's acceptable under certain circumstances because of a cultural and religious history? I was hoping they wouldn't let it slide to the question of its lack of moral validity not even being addressed and instead hinting that such a conversation should be merely a simple "exchange of cultural ideas and good listening skills." Then again, that also raises the question of the moral acceptability of MGM (male genital mutilation, better known as circumcision). I didn't hear them mention that subject, either. It seems some medical practices are too entrenched into some religions and cultures that one barely hears any critical arguments against them in the wider academic forums. Perhaps true intellectual bravery would be to compile the best studies and widely share all the risks, drawbacks, and problems with these two mutilating practices -- and put one's own name at the top of the publication.

1:25:00 I have an answer for this... When people are right with God, He gives them the Holy Spirit. This enhances their lives, gives them peace and drives them to better themselves and find their purpose in life. This is not the only reason, but is a major factor. It transformed _my_ life and I didn't even go to church for several years - so your hypothesis about being a member of a community is not entirely correct.

I have the quote from the 3rd Zen Patriarch on my notebook cover. But this is the translation I have and like.:The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. However your translation would be more palatable to the general populace. Great talk

Whoever says KZread is free is talking out their behind - all these excellent recommended books and book lists are making me almost bankrupt lol

And now the definition of LinkedIn, the Coddling of the business mind. It’s everywhere.

Is there any scientific evidence that ballet is the worst sports for a girl to participate at early age? I am a dad who has a 16 months old girl. I am very curious to find out more on this end.

@judybell799

5 ай бұрын

I also would like to hear more on this topic. I spent 10 or more years taking ballet lessons and my teachers challenged us to be better and be disciplined. Physically the strengthening and posture exercises benefitted me gor decades after I discontinued the classes.

I love Kurt Vonnegut but I have to agree that Shakespeare is better.

J. Haidt is an astute caring observer of current social behavioural trends who deeply cares about making a real difference to enable clear and honest dialogue between generations alongside helping parents, driven by pragmatic and insightful actionable ideas. Thanks for airing his ideas @timferriss You might enjoy talking to Robert Sapolsky, Francis Fukuyama, Karl Deisseroth and Iain McGilchrist

3rd =) great Talk with a great mind

@democracymeansdcstatehood3606

Жыл бұрын

Are you cisgender, white, male, right wing ideology as well? This seems like an identity politics bubble

@NWforager

Жыл бұрын

@@democracymeansdcstatehood3606 consider myself a liberal guy with dark brown skin . sorry to not fit your target nemesis

Foreign travel has caused me to be more Conservative as I now live in a country more Conservative than the US and I love it. Could never return to woke USA.

🕊

Rick?

I was born in 93.....AD!

Shooting the elephant is by George Orwell.

What a reminder of how American society fell..

Do you think forced vaccinations are barbaric or wrong? (Especially when not effective against the spread) If yes should we undermine this?

@kirktownander2573

Жыл бұрын

Please direct me to double blind, peer reviewed longitudinal studies that conclude that vaccines are ineffective.

@kirktownander2573

Жыл бұрын

Can you refer me to double-blind peer reviewed studies that show that vaccines are ineffective?

@davebrown7009

Жыл бұрын

@@kirktownander2573 - Kirk - vaccines don’t stop the spread. They don’t stop people from getting the disease. They reduce symptoms and for some this is a necessary trade off. Don’t need a double blind study - I can see there effectiveness in real life. See China

15:07 = Irrefutable facts

It’s a different world. “Face the music” Wow you’re mean.

hmm - at around the 1h 20m mark he said something to the effect of "How do you get smarter/stronger? Cut down on the moralism is a start" which seems to ignore all of the very smart people who have a high degree of morals. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding. I don't believe he's expressed support for this idea prior to this time stamp, or perhaps it didn't register with me. Regardless, it seems like his approach to getting smarter and stronger is only possible by cutting down on ones morals. That seems to be needlessly one sided to me. Or perhaps he addresses is elsewhere in the talk and I'm just misunderstanding. A pattern of this talk became quite clear as it progressed - Dr. Haidt spoke in very declarative sentences which implies unassailable facts or "settled science" yet he also admits to being wrong at times (like when he wouldn't allow his son to play Fortnight). So this style is concerning - he's very authoritative and feels like he's right in what he's saying but he's also human and makes mistakes BUT his speaking style does not seem to allow for mistakes. So when he says things like "Kids need to be in team sports as opposed to individual sports because they have fewer mental problems later in life" and follows it up with statements like "this is what the data supports" then he's wholesale dismissing the benefits of individual sports. He's basically homogenizing the raising of kids. While earlier in the talk he talked about how the homogenization of universities is what's led to so many problems today. Now I realize that may not have been his point or may not be accurate to his way of thinking but he's certainly making these broad types of statements and does so with authority so it seems like he doesn't leave any room for debate or being wrong. This pattern is deeply troublesome and has caused so many issues in society. VERY concerning

I identify as a Christian, but the way I see the nature of God is not the one that I was raised to understand within a fundamentalist church, very rigid, so I think that when one answers the question about a religious identity, the next question is about how we see the nature of God. I believe I see the human spirit operating around me, and through that, connection. I also see the energy and intelligence of the natural world around me and that we are part of the natural world. To me, God is the sum total of all that, of existence. I like where that leads me; but does that make me not a Christian? I have no Church now, because they ask me to make statements about my belief I can’t make, so my spiritual growth is a DIY project. 😊

@S.J.L

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I can relate to your story. Religions are systems of symbols & metaphors & allegories to understand Nature, Divinity & how one should aim to live. No one should question you. You have the capacity & nature to sense God independently. I still go to church occasionally but I'm not dogmatic. The primary relationship is a personal one between you & God. If that leads you to being part of a religious community then that's great but it's a private matter.

@billlets5460

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You could be on to something.

@michaelfoxbrass

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Check out Biologos, the organization that Francis Collins of the NIH founded. Also, the Disciples of Christ denomination. I believe you’ll find in each a strong intellectual community where you can continue to explore your relationship with God.

@retroafro1

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Well Jehovah Witnesses translated a truer representation of the Greek and Hebrew scriptures. I studied the bible used in the west and it has been so distorted and altered. JWs have no church or cross etc and from my current research they are more on it than the rest of Christianity... But they get shot down very quick because people can't get their head around certain things, so they dispose JWs as a whole... Chekc out Alexander Thomson, he is a biblical critic and he has a paper in JWs and insists its evidently translated closer to the Greek and Hebrew scriptures than the King James Bible.... I really enjoy how JWs have deciphered alot of the scriptures and it makes more sense than the king James Bible.... It just takes time to to study and see it

@JoyInJesusJourney

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God is a personal God. You don't need religion. We do need relationships.

Now go listen to Sean Caroll, they have the same voice..

Should it Stick ? No. WD-40. Should it be Lose ? No. Gorilla Tape.

There's better perspectives out there, the most important is don't limit yourself by putting yourself in a box of pseudointellectualism

@scottsherman5262

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Correct, I like it right here in my own personal box of actual intellectualism. I made it myself, & yes, those are purpleheart butterfly joints...good eye.

Why do we so quickly forget about the men and women who invented the like button and other things on social media touring, and letting people know they screwed up and this can ruin the world

I love the topic of intellectual bravery...questioning pompous, self-proclaimed intellectual and moral superiority! Does clearly opposing a variety of male dominated religions imperative to force a mother to choose between the threat of social banishment, most likely plunging her and her daughter into poverty and stripping them both of social dignity, or... ... to mutilate, or oversee the mutilating of her very young daughters vagina, so the child wont grow up to be 'too' sexual and offend her future husbands fragile sensibilities (not that far in the future as the older men of these fundamentalist patriarchal religions often prefer very very young wives) and eliminate any chance the grown woman might want to have sex with anyone else (now theres a husband with intellectual fragility), does this not-really-very-nuanced issue really fall into the category of a cookie cutter false morality to be bravely questioned and turned around to see if it really was as bad as all that? Imagine if in some parallel universe there were two women discussing morality and intellectual fragility and chuckling about one of their female mentors admirable, if perverse, display of intellectual bravery by questioning whether the herd mentality, black and white view of the 'tragedy' of a growing number of physically healthy men in contemporary societies committing suicide really was such a bad bad thing after all? Perhaps it wasn't really one of the greatest tragedies of the time? Maybe it was just the intellectual fragility, the reflexive liberal moral outrage that jumped to an erroneous, finger-pointing conclusion? Smugly demanding immediate action on solving this social tragedy! I don't know..growing numbers of healthy men committing suicide sounds bad..really really bad.. But lets not be a weak and intellectually fragile thinker and jump to conclusions...lets be brave and consider that it might not be all that bad?..lets turn it around and see if it really really makes sense to call it bad? ..Really bad. Here's a false intellectual morality to be 'bravely' questioned .. Isn't the child's blood on the hands of the clerics of the religions who declare the mutilating of her vagina moral and necessary and for her own good? Is it the mothers who should go to prison? I would be more impressed if his mentor chose that false morality to illustrate intellectual bravery

George Orwell wrote that essay

@Andre_Agassi

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And it was he who shot the elephant

I think Gen Z are extremely resilient. Yeah, I get it, most of the headlines are about them feeling entitled and dismissive of experienced people who came before them. But I think many of them feel assaulted, and adding that they had to live with the restrictions of the pandemic -- while during high school or early college -- has made them quite strong and capable. I believe Z'ers will be confronted with some huge decisions for our species and their strong resolve will serve us well and they will end up surprising many, many people.

@nedhill1242

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A very large percentage of them are fragile as hell which is why college campuses have gone insane. It’s why you see a lot of the craziness going on in America right now. They are brainwashed.

I loved this whole discussion until you shared that you believed Trump wanted to go to nuclear war LOL... Talk about a paradigm shift!

In this last year Sam Harris has shown himself not to be reasonable, or evidence based.

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More recently Sam has lost his mind - if one listens to his non-sensical justification of his 'wrongness' regarding the pandemic response etc

".. become more antifragile..."

@9UaYXxB

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'anti-fragile' is such a clumsy doofus use of language. Surely 'robust', or 'durable', or 'resilient'. .... And there are ample other much better expressions. Americans are constantly using language so ineptly.

Sounds like Malcolm Gladwell

First Niall Ferguson now Jonathan Haidt… is Tim Ferris becoming based?

JESUS said _''Why do look at the speck in your brothers eye? lnstead, remove the plank in your own eye and you can see to remove the speck in your brothers eye''_ ~ Matt 7:3

How is slick Rick's Maxim to turn everything around not just a colloquial way to describe hegel's dialectic? Go ahead and unpack that for the lay up bro. I think before the great change he describes on social media platforms in 2013 2014 can the use of social media platforms in the Arab spring., When Twitter became a workaround for media blackouts and you could see NATO leaning government communications on the ground and Anons helping or trolling or debating astroturfing elements. That is truly with the medium became the message inside the beltway. Maybe notwithstanding mine altering steroids or CGI action adventure films, or mass media propaganda, I believe nothing requires a greater leap of faith than atheism. Steven Prothro discussing the pluralism of God and "God is not one", GK Chesterton, and the Cecilia Knox have convinced me of that. My point of view is organic and unmodified by false memories morning cartoons or psychedelic drugs, or any combination thereof, with all due respect to Scooby-Doo and shaggy too.

Darrell Davis has lost a lot of his shine. He went on the Tim Pool show last year and turned out to be quite racist himself. He got in a couple of huge arguments with Tim including not only being in favor of reparations, but saying anyone that is against reparations is a racist.

The kids that were raised wrong are having kids. It’s over

I appreciate that there is a crisis in the elite institutions, and that certain patterns of child rearing have made anxiety disorders ubiquitous, but this is a hard, hard world. People are not nice, and the young don't have anything easy. A world where people who do their jobs well get to have one, where the differences between people are smaller, where a summer job pays a year of state university tuition, and where young people have the privacy to make stupid mistakes without it following them forever is a much easier world in which to come of age. This world isn't nice or nicer. Was it nice to Tyre Nichols? Was it nice to Tara Reade? Was it nice to those who went public with a vaccine injury? It wasn't even nice to Eric Clapton when he got injured. Kids who grew up with school shooter drills have to hear about how incredibly coddled they are. You never know when someone will lash out at you and destroy your life, for _nothing._

To do your job, you have to have a "sense of tolerance...." (listen at 1:11:55)? This is utter nonsense! Tolerance is one of the most disrespectful concepts there is.