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@JR-pu9bn

8 ай бұрын

1: Only Classic and Modern Sonic are apart of the Mainline games but the whole “Everything thing is Canon” Twitter Thread by Sega was referring to alternate timelines which don’t connect to the main games. 2: Both are the same Sonic which is why they have nearly the same moves and have to fit within a certain timeline like Ilzuka said.

@oleratodiale9518

8 ай бұрын

yes

@mayracordero382

8 ай бұрын

I love the classic sonic timeline and I wouldn't change it!

@icader7194

8 ай бұрын

Basically the simplest order for the canon timeline as Sonic experienced it: In chronological order: Sonic 1 through Knuckles, Generations (Classic), Mania, Forces (Classic), Superstars-End of Classic Era, Sonic Adventure-Gens (Modern)-Lost World-Forces (Modern)-Frontiers. And time is considered a dimension. Forces (Avatar) is next, and I think it should be thrown in with the Boom series.

@ClassicSonicAndFriend

8 ай бұрын

No

I think that Sonic 1, 2, 3, CD, Mania, and Superstars occur before Sonic Adventure. When it comes to time travel in Sonic Mania, Generations, and Forces Classic Sonic memory has to be wiped which must be why he does not recognize himself. The timeline is very messy but by Sega having a Lore master all future games they make will be cannon in Some way.

@PJRNWY

8 ай бұрын

Yo I see you everywhere man

@Sonicboy45662

8 ай бұрын

Im a fan

@Sonixteam67

8 ай бұрын

No because sonic mania connects to sonic forces

@michelefoxall5542

8 ай бұрын

Bro it is s1 cd 2 3

@TheDutchGhost

8 ай бұрын

​@@michelefoxall5542 A case can be made that SegaSonic Arcade takes place before Sonic 1

This is easily explained via the multiple doctors specials. The nature of time causes them to only retain information of the events while they coexist. Once returned to their respective time periods, they'll lose the information until they once again coexist in the same time period.

@SonicHubYT

8 ай бұрын

I like that theory

@jts.1535

8 ай бұрын

Ah Kingdom Hearts uses this exact theory

@HenshinFanatic

8 ай бұрын

@@jts.1535 Well I took it from the venerable British Sci-Fi programme Doctor Who.

@Preteristboy

8 ай бұрын

-I like that theory, but doesn't Forces contradict that?- Sorry, I totally misread this. I like this theory a lot!

@Chapmike

8 ай бұрын

Well that mostly works, but there's one problem though. As Sonic Mania doesn't involve anyone's future self, there's no reason they shouldn't remember the Phantom Ruby, especially Eggman. And yet in the Forces prequel comics, it's pretty obvious he doesn't know what it is.

I think it's simple as Classic Sonic is rewriting the past after he went back to his time in Generations and Modern crew are remembering those events as Classic crew experiences them.

In Doctor Who, whenever the Doctor meets himself, all the past versions forget ever meeting until time synchs up and catches up.

I Love Sonic Superstars despite the tries.

I think there are 2 timelines still. Classic Sonic goes through Sonic 1-3&K, then transitions straight to Adventure. Then, they carry on to Generations and takes Classic from after 3&K into Generations and splits the timeline where classic experiences Mania and Superstars.

@VideoViperX

8 ай бұрын

Adventure will prob not happen in the classic timeline now so there aren't 2 modern sonics in future. Modern Sonic did not experience Mania and Superstars too just to clear it up.

@faz10do

16 күн бұрын

Finally you and I are actually smart

@unkownunkown2420

14 күн бұрын

@@faz10dothat’s not intelligence that’s just head cannon it’s already been confirmed that classic sonic and modern sonic is the same person

@faz10do

14 күн бұрын

@@unkownunkown2420 you do realize lizuka is fucking stupid right? I mean he has literally stated that Sonic has dementia

@faz10do

14 күн бұрын

@@unkownunkown2420 and yeah he was the same sonic. But then they fucked it up in forces so at this point he is a different sonic

Classic Sonic lore is so good. It’s like fairytale stories with magic and all that but they pull it off so well.

Sonic Generations takes place both before and after Sonic Superstars. Sega is just THAT deep.

The memory wipe theory holds the most water. It’s just funny that Sonic essentially experiences Crisis City THREE times (2006, Classic - Genrations, Modern - Generations), but will only remember it once as Modern Sonic. Technically 2006 was erased, so there’s that too. But where is Sonic 4? It’s supposed to be immediately after S3&K (but so is Mania).

How is ruining the time split connecting all Sonic media? It's already connected, but as a different timeline/dimension. They juat created some huge plot holes. How did Eggman get his name from Sonic, as he stated in Frontiers, if he heard it from his future self? As for connecting the media, like the movies, Boom, Archie etc, they could just say that they are different dimensions. Even a random person like me has better ideas than the lore managers.

@ORLY911

8 ай бұрын

I think sega just wants to unify everything now to avoid brand confusion, rather than worrying about plot holes or continuity errors. I will say the more worry about canon the less likely people are to play more of the games as they get stuck on "well should I play X or not?"

9:04 Kinda reminds me of that one Ben 10: Ultimate Alien episode where Ben meets his younger self. At the end of the episode, younger Ben was returned to his time, but would think of the events as just a dream so it wouldn’t affect his older self. That could have happened with Classic Sonic 🤔 There would be some possible holes in this theory if you consider how Classic reacted to Tails saying he was “from another dimension” though

@SonicHubYT

8 ай бұрын

Narratively there is a way to make it work, and also it is fiction so the rules can be made to fit the Sonic universe it doesnt have to be set in stone

@Gnidel

8 ай бұрын

It could have worked if it didn't happen twice.

@SonicHubYT

8 ай бұрын

@@Gnidel FR

@d4rksonic474

8 ай бұрын

Then again, the translation of Forces was wonky and "censored". Maybe Tails didn't say such thing in the Japanese version.

@SonicHubYT

8 ай бұрын

@@d4rksonic474 I forgot to say this in the video but mistranslation was also a possibility for that dialogue!

modern sonic never went to generations from his past. he never experienced it before. as tails said, anything is possible. classic sonic will have the same adventures but he has two small adventures and maybe a talking disability that makes him different. his fur is a different shade of blue and his eyes are different. they can't just change as he grows up. Edit:I JUST REALISED THEIR EYELIDS

At this point i dont even mind Classic Sonic's Timeline being a separate one, cramming every game, TV show and comic into the same Timeline causes more problems that it solves

@TheDutchGhost

8 ай бұрын

Agreed, it is would have the same messy-ness as other IPs with multiple entries, series, and spin offs as well as expanded media. Trying to make that all a coherent whole goes beyond fandom and into obsession. And whenever a new entry or publication comes out said obsessed people would claim it could conflict with their perfect timeline and make a fit. Best to go the Gundam approach with this and create separate timelines.

Keep in mind that perhaps in the 06 Sonic game, it not only erased the events of the game, but also erased part of his memory that would allow him to remember his previous endeavours with time travel.

They need to fire the lore team. They are doing more damage. "Dimension" can still be used as meaning a different point in time.

@EdgardoLat

4 ай бұрын

That's why I think

I have a theory behind the timeline: so Modern does not recognize the events from the perspective of his younger self because it is a fixed event, the more Classic Sonic has been there, it adds more to Modern Sonics memory, although Modern could potentially remember the event in the end, to keep the multiverse in tact, Classic does not remember it causing some sort of an infinite loop between the Sonics although ofcorse they both move on, due to the laws of the Sonic universe time travel, it is a fixed event that has happened in both the Classic and Modern timeline at the same time, so basically it is an unlimited restart with new sonics in place of the olds to keep the modern timeline going, but adding endless possibilities of the multiverse expanding, this is the point that creates a new sonic from a different dimension, although the events are ALMOST identical, each time they've met, it's a very slight and unnoticeable change to the unlimited timelines caused by Generations and Forces respectively

@mewtwo34

8 ай бұрын

I tink the moment Classic was bought into the present, his own personal future was altereted. The timelines split with one being Moderns timeline where all his past games and adventures took place and were canon and "New" Classic Sonics timeline where he grows up to be a completely seperate Version of sonic with memories of his future adventures(although this timeline those adventures probably don't happen or play out differently now that he has the memories of them)

It’s a game series about a blue rat how are things so complicated

@derple8524

8 ай бұрын

When different people come in and mess things up like pontaff did with the inconsistent story telling since Colors all the way to Forces, glad they are bringing people in to clean it up

Here are the reasons why a single timeline doesn't work, at least without further explanation: 1. Tails doesn't remember Green Hill in Generations (Classic Tails went there at the end of Generations as well as Mania). 2. Sonic doesn't remember seeing Shadow in the future twice. 3. Eggman doesn't recognize the Phantom Ruby in the Forces prequel comic. Even if you go with the memory wipe theory (which I like), it doesn't explain why Eggman doesn't recognize the Phantom Ruby, which he supposedly used before in Mania.

@carsignite95912

8 ай бұрын

I think that the Ruby wiped eggman's memory of it after the battle against him,sonic, and the heavy king. But that's just a theory... A GAME THEORY!

@cool7492

8 ай бұрын

@@carsignite95912 That's the theory we would have to go with if we considered the series to be a single timeline. Eggman being caught in the Phantom Ruby's explosion in Encore Mode may have wiped his memory of it. Though now that I think of it, we still have the issue of Tails being in Green Hill in Mania. I wish the lore team thought things through.

@JayRedGear

8 ай бұрын

@@carsignite95912 IDW even supports this as after his defeat in Forces, he lost his memory and went by the name of Mr. Tinkerer.

Classic Sonic is definitely one of the best and iconic characters in the entire series. First appearing in 1991, the first ever character invented. He is definitely a GOAT as we all should agree. I think in Generations he's from the past and probably not from another dimension. There are many theories surrounding Classic Sonic in that game for sure, and I would assume he's Canon. People have their own opinions on this character, but I agree with yours. I wonder where that story will go next.

Don’t see a lot of people mention this theory (even though it’s officially supported) but it is a thing with his brain, being with his modern self in the future is not natural so the timeline sort of corrects itself by erasing his memories when he gets back to the past, this prevents him from making any decisions based off of the future that would in turn cause a paradox. (Archie, though not canon, explains this and they show classic sonic basically saying that he has a very foggy memory about generations). This works reverse the other way around too, his memories are made clear again when he goes to the future again (but removed again when he returns to the past).

@hover8642

8 ай бұрын

This also works with Tails too. Time travel in Little Planet works different though, traveling through time there is simple and organized with the time posts and the Time Stones, so Sonic remembers traveling around time periods there because the planet is meant to work together with time. The Time Eater is chaotic and rips apart time, it is not meant to work well with it.

i think you missed it. the only way to explain it is that superstars occurs in modern sonic's timeline, that's why sonic recalls the memory on tailstube. also the opening cutscene is a continuation of the ending of origins which are the 4 main classics (which is uninterrupted by generations). this is why it's after mania and before adventure. pretty clean transition

@mandalorianjedi232

4 ай бұрын

It goes origins (the 8 bit games fall somewhere between or after as stated in tailstube that triple trouble and knuckles chaotix are canon) then generations happens after all that and then mania forces (from classics perspective) and then superstars also segasonic as stated by Ian Flynn goes after sonic r

Tbh sega should stop craming every single every single into into one, making every more complex and consuming. Because every all in one doesn't solve the paradoxs or anything. It will be better of as a separate timeline branching off the main one. Like, didn't they confirm a multiverse exists?

@MJGaming57_REAL

8 ай бұрын

Fr!!

@VideoViperX

8 ай бұрын

This comment gave me a seizure

@kevinm.5951

8 ай бұрын

I think they wanted to give a lire reason as to why modern sonic looks different from classic Splitting the timeline though could be easier overall but it diesn't explain the redesigb, lore wise. It would only help with characters not returning and thats it and it gets even nire confusing with forces since technically the tineline splits again. The easiest thing to do is just say classic sonic reappearing in generations was an anonaly and wasn't actually the sonic of the past. They almost did that with forces but backed out and made him from mania instead

@KOTSOSMC2002

8 ай бұрын

Sonic Adventure has a Sonic CD flashback, Sonic Prime has both a Sonic 2 and a Sonic 3 & Knuckles flashback, Generations has missing posters for Ray, Might and Fang in City Escape Act 2 (aka Modern, not Classic), the IDW comics have references and connections to everything from the OG 4 mainline Classic games to SegaSonic to Schoolhouse to Popcorn Shop to Patrol Car to Sonic 4: Episode II to, well, just about everything, as well as Classic characters and places such as the OG Death Egg, Mecha Sonic MkII, Mecha Knuckles making appearances (not to mention Classic events getting mentioned). Sonic Pocket Adventure showing Classic Eggman change his uniform into the Modern one on-screen. TailsTube references Classic a million times and states clearly they're all one timeline. Back to Sonic Adventure, that directly picked up lore, character status, character developments and just about everything from the Classic Era and evolved it, as well as directly translating Classic characters to Modern in such a natural way you forget they were even Classic characters to begin with (prime example, the Chaotix). I could go on and on and this isn't a counterargument to "they're not one timeline" since it was never your point to begin with. It's simply my way of saying yes, there was indeed always a conscious effort of making it all appear as one timeline, ever since the inception of Modern. Modern was never intended to be a separate timeline (which wasn't even a notion practiced a lot at the time like it is now) nor a (soft or hard) reboot. Classic = Modern was always the intention, there was always an effort to maintain that intention and in my opinion they aaall fit in quite nicely all things considered. Only big issues stem from Generations and Forces treating time travel as dimension travel which was, to my understanding, a simple misunderstanding they made during translation.

@paperluigi6132

8 ай бұрын

*Godzilla had a stroke reading this and f***ing died*

everytime classic sonic goes to the future and when he goes back is actually a amazing idea

I’d say Classic Sonic’s situation is like what happened in Sonic 06 when the fire gets blown out they go back in time, forget everything, and continue as if nothing happened.

I think I'm starting to get it, but I don't know. I appreciate that we have Classic games coming out, but the fact that they're just limited in between what happens in Sonic Superstars and Sonic Adventure makes it a little... forced? I don't know if that was the correct word; most likely isn't. This would mean at some point, we would have to see Classic Sonic eventually evolve into Modern Sonic and go onto Sonic Adventure. I don't really know what the best way would be to handle Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic, but what they're doing kinda works, I guess. I'm still confused about his inclusion in Generations and Forces, though, since how does that happen along with Sonic Superstars? You may not know this, but on the Sonic Mania art, Classic Sonic and Tails have a purple tint in their eyes, while Classic Knuckles doesn't. This is supposed to be because they were in Sonic Generations and went back to the... Classic Universe? Yet, in Sonic Superstars, Classic Sonic and Tails no longer have that purple tint in their eyes as we see in the official renders, so how did that side effect just go away? I think we still need more and better explanations. I doubt they'll be able to form a perfect tie-in with these two Sonics, but we can hope for something that, at the very least, makes sense.

@jboyathegamer

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I'm starting to get this lore stuff As well

I think time traveling via chaos emeralds or however Silver travels are the only ways to keep your memory.

Classic Sonic may have forgotten the adventure, like a time travel amnesia.

Maybe somehow by going back to his time it erased his memories of going into the future

The whole alternate timeline being created theory is kind of messy as well. The reason why is because since Classic Sonic time travels twice that means that he time travels creating an alternate timeline then creates another alternate timeline when he travels again and then that Classic Sonic will also create another alternate timeline and then continue creating alternate timelines over and over and over again making it extremely messy to even comprehend. I know a lot about alternate timelines and universes.

thinking that the timelines are the same accept for classic going to the future. thats what mames classic sonic "from another dimension" but after classic sonic goes back to his time line the story plays out the same. the diffrence would be that when classic sonic experiences sonic generations, he will know what happens. modern sonic didnt know what was going on during generations because this was the first time it happend

Classic's memory being wiped makes sense So we should go with that I dont like the split timeline because mighty and the others would be stuck on classics dimension

Comic story line looking real true the more and more information comes about. I strongly feel like Sonic is the cause for time being twisted & that meeting past sonic altered A LOT.

The End appears in the background of Egg Fortress zone in Superstars

@SonicTheBlueBlur1991

8 ай бұрын

That's not the End. On Twitter it's already been confirmed that it isn't The End

FINALLY ONE TIMELINE. Classic sonic being a younger sonic makes sense. FINALLY. I WIN. I hated the separate timelines.

@EdgardoLat

4 ай бұрын

Not only You bro

man.. time travel is so regular for sonic, he can't really keep track of things. he meets so many hedgehogs, gets flung into a future that will never be, goes across dimensions to meet blaze who possibly is a time traveler too who might have met sonic already. he gets turned into a werewolf, he dies and comes back via the chaos emeralds. so much crazy stuff happens to sonic, and you expect him to remember he met himself forever ago?

sonic1,sonic2 ,sonicCD, sonic3,sonic mia , and sonic superstar are the Classic sonic time lini

lets go awesome new video!

They're trying to simplify it as best as they can but it's becoming more complicated than ir appears

My thought it is its like Doctor Who when multiple Doctors meet. Only the later incarnation will remember what happened because of timey wimey shenanigans

Your point about Sonic and whether or not he remembers. Did you ever think maybe that's where he gets his confidence from? He's already confident, but now he knows a bit of what's gonna happen, he can win the day, and he knows its gonna be fun. And you shouldn't worry about Lore anymore, Ian Flynn behind lore, we got a lot coming now for Sonic story. This is the guy who Saved the Archie Comics and got it about another Decade. With the full of Sega helping him Sonic should get considerably better.

What I don’t like about this now is that no matter what comes out it’ll always be “before adventure” classic can never just branch, whatever they might make after superstars Izuka will give the same answer “it takes place after superstars and before adventure” kinda sucks

Generations was the paradox meaning that the event never happened before it was pretty much like a 1 off occurrence that split the timeline so after that point every after that point was new

So classic sonic forgets about generations when he goes home but when he comes back to forces he gets his memories of generations back?

If memories get wiped when returning to your timeline, wth is silver doing in forces

I was thinking, what if classic’s memory stayed after generations and forces both, but (hypothetically) he goes through the stories between adventure and colors and forgets about his generations and forces adventures during that time period? taking some of the random dialogue from sonic frontiers, the sonic riders series is canon because Sonic mentions the Babylon Rogues and even Sticks from Sonic Boom, so I’m just thinking what if Classic Sonic forgot his old adventures? Modern Sonic does feel familiar with Green Hill and Chemical Plant in the cutscenes of Generations, but doesn’t fully remember until his encounter with classic

Sonic 1 all the way to Sonic Generations can be a loop

i feel like since classic sonic is a past version of modern sonic modern sonic recieves the memories from classic sonic and remembers them

My idea which could be completely wrong is that after sonic forces the phantom movie did some stuff to classic sonic’s mind and he forgot about all of his adventures in the future. It’s messy and doesn’t make that much sense but I think it’s a pretty good way to tie things together

So heres my theory there are some events that stay the same, sonic 1-3&k+cd, then generations happens pulls the younger sonic from the timeline and he learns the air dash, this then splits the timeline, leading up to mania, I think mania is an alternate timeline were sonic using info of the air dash learns the drop dash, and is then pulled into forces wether or not superstars can exist without sonic knowing the drop dash, I'm not too sure but I think mania follows the story of what happed to classic l, and modern still has the original story without mania, thus not remembering teamming up before

"Its more consistent with time travel rules. But we are dealing with fiction here" You uhhh..... you DO know time travel isn't real right? There aren't any rules....... because it doesn't really exist. The rules are whatever the writers say they are.

There's another thing going on actually if you remember the classic sonic from generations after fighting Eggman's death egg robot has gone to meet his future self and the Eggman of the past has been taken away and we never saw the death egg base explode in there so it has never fallen into angel island even if it has still fallen in angel island it doesn't make sense the events of Sonic 3 and Knuckles still happen since Eggman of the past was imprisoned inside the time void and classic Sonic and Tails had no reason to go to Angel Island since they never saw the death egg base crashing on Angel Island in the first place

fun fact: classic sonic forggeting the events of forces STILL wouldn't explain why Tails, Knuckles and even Eggman forgot the whole phantom ruby thing in sonic mania, and why it's powers are different in forces

Does anyone else think that these KZreadrs are thinking about it a lot? It’s not so difficult to know where sonic superstars are located, after sonic mania before sonic 4, end

@InitialAA

8 ай бұрын

Iizuka says before Adventure, I don't think they want to acknowledge 4 as canon any longer. I think it'd be better if they designate the Mania timeline and normal timeline as 2 similar yet a different timelines. The mania timeline Sonic will go through similar things as modern sonic in his future with some differences and the modern timeline is just y'know as is, without the new classic installments as canon

@MattiusYT

8 ай бұрын

@@InitialAASonic 4 will always be canon, izuka says after mania and before adventure, but it’s a somewhat ambiguous answer. It’s as if I said that sonic Superstars happens after mania and before frontiers 🫤

@MattiusYT

8 ай бұрын

@@InitialAAThe “modern line” is supposed to happen in sonic 4 not in adventure

My theory is just that past eggman won’t try time manipulation again because he experienced a failure already which means sonic generations only happens once IN THEIR OWN SELF

Even though I prefer the split timeline idea, I honestly respect sega for even trying to make sense about it. It's clear that in recent years sega is trying to clear up the sonic timeline and making it all in one timeline does it easier that way. We just gotta ignore the prior "different dimension" statement since that's just not in canon anymore

BUT THAT'S JUST A THEORY A GAME THEORY

So technically, they're Sonic's adventures that we haven't even heard about ether from video games or comics

I think that Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic are one, but the Classic Sonic from Forces and Gens is different. I think there are 2 Classic Sonics where the first one did not experience Gens, but the second one did experience Gens and Forces. How is this possible you ask? Well, Classic Sonic from another dimension was brought to Gens and Forces, because of the Time Eater and the Phantom Ruby. They affected other dimensions which causes that Classic Sonic was brought to Gens and Forces. I actually think Classic Sonic is just Sonic from another dimension and that the other Classic Sonic isn’t Classic Sonic, it's Modern Sonic from the past.

Is Chaotix and Fighters canon? Because Mighty knows Knuckles in the Mania Plus trailer, Fighters was the first appearance of Amy’s Piko Piko Hammer (although Fighters has 8 Emeralds so yeah…) though I’m sure that Chaotix is canon

Avengers and DBZ explain this pretty well. The instant time travel occurred, a split timeline was created. Modern sonics timeline is the maintimeline unaltered and classic Sonic, through the act of time travel, branched into a new alternate timeline because he now has knowledge of the future. So this version of Classic sonic will grow up to be a different version of Modern sonic with a whole new continuity. Everytime he travels in time, he's just traveling back into the main timeline(like Trunks did in Super) before his timeline branched off. I mentioned DBZ earlier because essentially thats how it worked, Future Trunks couldn't alter his timeline because he created a new branch in time each time he time traveled. Like Bruce said in Avengers “If you travel to the past, that past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can't now be changed by your new future."

I dont know how i missed this video! This whole Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic split definitely has caused eye brow raises everywhere in the Sonic community! Sure we have Sonic Generations to thank for that but now things are all over the place!

@SonicHubYT

8 ай бұрын

Theres a lot of fire content you missed out on in the backlog, check it out!

@BLUESTREAK91

8 ай бұрын

@@SonicHubYT Will do😎🌀

my head cannon is the modern from generations experienced the games like we have, 1 2 3 (technically mania and superstars) adventure 1 and so on, then when generations happened he met classic for the first time, like he never time traveled when originally going through life, but then eggman does his tomfoolery and messes with the timeline. so thats why modern doesnt know classic

Oh god… then there’s the cartoons and comics… Btw I got a sonic superstars ad while watching this

Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimy

@marshelldoonan7798

5 ай бұрын

Exactly

Well I have to rewatch this

I feel they also need to explain why there are classic springs on the Starfall islands. Was that only on Chaos Island, or throughout the game? I feel we will have Classic Sonic in another modern game eventually.

@TrnskaDevelopmentTeam

8 ай бұрын

Springs and grind rails etc are explained in update, they are not real, they are all part of interaction between Sonic's brain and Cyber Space (AKA hallucinations).

@BoyleVoices

8 ай бұрын

@@TrnskaDevelopmentTeam Oh that’s right, thanks for that. That’s even more of an explanation showing that Sonic remembers his classic days.

I personally think that the Sonic timeline overrides itself in a way. When Sonic CD's or Sonic 06's time travel junk happens, contrary to the split timeline theory, they simply override the events of the timeline completely. But one important part of the Sonic games time travel is that characters who time travel always remember the events that happened, even though the timeline itself was rewritten. Sonic, Eggman and Amy still remember the events of Sonic CD, even Sonic and Elise at the end of 06' still feel a sense of deja vu even after almost all the events of the game a erased.

At the end of generations classic sonic is trying to do a homming attack, and in superstars he can do one, with an emerald but he can. I think they're modernizing the classic gameplay until it's similar to adventure's but in 2d

This video helped me figure some things out! Thank you SonicHub!! YOU SAVED MY CONFUSION!!! 😅

I think time is a broken mess held together with the theoretical equivolent of spit and duct tape anyway.

Splitting the timeline don’t need to make different sonics, when the split happens it could have 2 timelines with the same sonic and same games, but both being in different timelines, that would explain why modern sonic don’t remember generations events

Well super stars does give some insight to how sonic learned the homing attack I guess

With Generations Classic Sonic only seen portions of the future not full story. Though he did time travel it limited due everyone being stuck outside of time in a white void thanks to the Time Eater. Plus if time travel were to be so sensitive in this series then Sonic CD would a be huge mess. Lastly the Mania to Forces to Sonic Mania(Plus) is a Time Travel Loop meaning it was meant to happen with the Phantom Ruby causing a Fixed Point in time, and once Classic Sonic resolves things they get put back in place again.

For me I’d say sonic superstars is a modern adventure and I just put it as head cannon to make this a lot less confusing. If this was modern sonic when he was still classic then it would make sense as the end is here watching. Edit: Classic sonic can’t be forgetting everything as he recognised modern tails and wasn’t suprised at the idea of Modern sonic. He also understood modern sonic saying it’s been generations since he’s seen him. We also see in the mania plus intro he’s saying goodbye to tails before he gets there and realises he’s back home and that he has come from forces.

think of that moment in loki season 2 episode 1

I heve friend in sega and he saying that when they time travel they back they like don't know that hwepend already

Ok, so, I started to think in an explanation, but, I think I've got a theory/headcannon So, basicaly, little planet is a/has entities who protect the timeline and they visit the places where something quite not right happens, like, "earth's timeline", where, something like generarions happens, so, it/they repair it and such.

The real answer is no amount of explanation will ever make Sonic lore cohesive but that's a boring mindset so here's my take on this. I think what Tailstube was trying to fix up the confusion many people had regarding both Sonic's during the Mania/Forces era. A lot of people believed the classic games (Sonic 1, CD, 2, etc) and the modern games (Adventure, onward) were 2 different timelines or dimensions and neither Sonic experienced each other's respective adventures. (Modern Sonic never experienced the classics and vice versa) Obviously the initial intent was that both Sonics were indeed the same person just from different points in time but Mania and especially Forces caused mass confusion within the community.

@ayylmao8031

8 ай бұрын

This is why I'm more excited about the lore in the future of the series for the modern games because those games won't have as much restriction as the classic lore.

Now I really don't understand... Wher does Sonic 4 fit in now? If Superstars is sequel to Mania and there we have Knuckles and Amy, how the heck has Sonic became Modern in Sonic 4 if it takes place right after Sonic and Knuckles? Then this should mean Classic Sonic got into Generations after Sonic and Knuckles... Eventually, we find out Classic and Modern Sonic are two different persons because two things are happening in the same time: Classic Sonic goes through Mania story and Modern Sonic goes through Sonic 4. But we know that those two are actually same person from different points of Sonic's life... Lore manager should explain this better than doing some silly animations that are not affecting Sonic lore even 1%.

Only being partway through the video, but my head cannon is that in the original timeline, Sonic Adventure followed Sonic & Knuckles (or Sonic 3D Blast if you're counting that as a mainline game), but when Sonic Generations happened, it rewrote Classic Sonic's timeline so Sonic Mania and Sonic Superstars ended up filling in the gap between the two, and the consequences continue to grow as Modern Classic Sonic has more adventures. For example, when Sonic Frontiers takes place, Classic Sonic had not yet lived through Sonic Superstars, so Sonic Superstars was not yet canon in Sonic Frontier's Sonic's past, but now that Sonic Superstars has happened, in whichever Sonic Game comes next Sonic Superstars will have happened before Sonic Adventure. As both Sonics continue to live on their respective timelines, Modern Sonic's past continues to shift and change as well, always trying to heal itself, and set itself back on the original path, but Classic Sonic's new Adventures constantly changing it, forcing Modern Sonic's past to have to readjust to compensate for it. It opens up a bunch of paradox's into Sonic's backstory, but Sonic, always on the move as he is, can appreciate not just the present, but a past that's always in motion.

@r-giireactions2235

8 ай бұрын

If you look at it like this, for modern Sonic, it's kind of like waking up from amnesia, whenever Classic Sonic goes on another adventure, it's like Modern Sonic's memory is opened up to another adventure that wasn't part of his memory prior. But it happens so subtly, Sonic may not even be aware of the change, like when you wake up from a dream that was connected to a dream you've had a few nights before, but you totally forgot, but you now remember because it was referenced by your dream from last night that you DO remember.

Well it can be like after Sonic 06 the timeline split into two timeline A and B and then during Sonic Generations after the game he went back to his timeline and experience Mania and Forces and then again went back to experience Mania plus encore mode and then superstars while Modern Sonic experience Frontiers after Generation, Lost World and Forces

sonic generations cause an alternate timeline to be form and because of that the original (modern timeline) goes sonic 1-3 and CD sonic superstars adventure 1-2 sonic heroes up till sonic generations is when the timeline splits and creates a new ongoing timeline for classic sonic so the events he goes through are slightly different from moderns sonic for example generations pulled him into (what would’ve been his future) because its not supposed to happen so classics sonic timeline (which technically still is still regular sonic js altered events due to generations and forces) his events go sonic 1-2-CD-3-time travels to generations-sonic mania-travels back for sonic forces-sonic mania(second part)-sonic superstars-sonic adventure 1 meaning because generations classic sonic still WILL become what modern sonic sonic is today but with more events that happen before adventure 1 so timeline in the beginning but the events of generations cause it to become an identical timeline with a few extra events (hope that makes sense to everyone)

I think it's important to note that sonic superstars is probably independent of mania. So when modern sonic was growing up and going through his classic adventures, he didn't need the adventures of mania and forces to make superstars happen.

@SonicHubYT

8 ай бұрын

Well the thing is Iizuka says that superstars and mania take place in same timeline, with superstars coming after mania. My thing is it’s weird how the sonic of the past helps save the future twice and travels to it, without his modern self having recollection of those adventures

@walter4nia403

8 ай бұрын

@@SonicHubYT I see what you're saying. But I'm interpreting it as iizuka taking things from classic sonic's perspective, specifically the classic sonic that went through the events of mania and forces whereas modern sonic had only superstars come sometime after 3&k. My understanding is that we have two different sonics that both went through the superstars story. But I get what you're saying too

@SonicHubYT

8 ай бұрын

@@walter4nia403 that’s interesting I didn’t look at it that way, been seeing a lot of cool theories in the comments so it’s been fun to check them all out

There has to be more than 1 timeline, because what about the handheld titles? For example, there are 2 versions of Colors & Generations and they have different adaptations than their handheld counterparts. If the console adaptations are the true versions of the story that has to mean the handheld versions are either non canon (which would contradict their statement about every game tying into one another) or on a different timeline completely

I am starting to get the Timeline with Classic Sonic. I can definitely see Sonic Superstars taken place before Sonic Adventure 1. This is confusing me because if Sonic Forces takes place after Sonic Mania the how does Sonic Superstars take place before Sonic Superstars. Sonic Forces kinda confused me with the timeline a little bit. I am definitely confused with the thing when Tails Said in Sonic Forces that Classic Sonic is from the other dimension but Generations made it pretty clear that it was a time travel story. The timeline with Modern and Classic Sonic timeline is kinda confusing but I kinda understand what’s going on with the Classic Sonic Timeline but the thing about the Inclusion Forces is that this kinda makes Classic Sonic Timeline a little more confusing and Forces changes up some stuff with Classic Sonic like Classic Sonic is from a different dimension when Generations literally said that it was a time Travel Story. I’m definitely confused about the Classic Sonic went from Sonic 1 to Sonic Generations then the next game he went to in the Classic Sonic Timeline was Sonic Forces and In Generations Classic Sonic experience all the adventures that Modern Sonic went through. The Classic Sonic Timeline made a little bit more sense but I still kinda didn’t get it but eventually I’ll understand the Classic Timeline.

my personal theory is that even tho classic and modern sonic are the same person, modern sonic never experienced generations or forces from classic's perspective, so he'd never have those memories. Classic sonic's timeline would continue as modern's did, since he never really saw enough in generations to 100% know the future.

You make good videos

Polished timeline sonic one then moves on to mania then goes to sonic forces creating an alternative dimensions therefore on classic sonic knows the future while one does not.

I think that classic sonic travels to generations during the events of sonic CD due to the constant time travel that take place in the game

@elcu-chao95

6 ай бұрын

He literally starts in green hill... However, little planet as an answer isn't that bad

Didn’t Ian Flynn mention on his podcast that the “other dimension” line in forces was just changed back to how it was in generations? Like Classic Sonic is just a younger version of Modern Sonic? I swear I heard Ian say that at some point

@SonicHubYT

8 ай бұрын

He probably mentioned the updated timeline at some point but I figured it was best to just let the tails tube clarify the timeline situation

as the sonic timeline goes when sonic forces was released that was generations 2 as classic sonic 30th return which messed up the plot .now this is where people get confused as we know sonic adventrure is before sonic superstars but the timeline inclueds the fangames like sonic and the fallen star and theres a sonic adventure dx fangame so now it does mach whith the time line and who knows in the future more multiverses will apprer so now the timeline goes backwards and does not go forward .

i always thought there were 2 classic sonics,one thats young modern sonic who goes through all the mainline games (becomes modern in adventure ). and the other that goes through sonic 1,2,3 and normal mania, appears in forces, and goes back to mania plus. and before you ask how the characters in forces know about this sonic, i think they mistaked him for the classic sonic in gens

2 things, classic sonic forgot + he’s mute

You never put in triple trouble cuz according to the prequel comic for sonic superstars Fang's big break Fang has met both Sonic and Knuckles but in the prequel animation Fang has a bad dream with Sonic, Amy, Tails, and Knuckles so he knows all four of them meaning the idw comic where the heavy king controls Eggman's robots which makes that comic canon and how Sonic and his friends all know Fang

easy answer that clears this confusion: neo-classic timeline

So is it a time loop for sonic cause does classic sonic meet another classic sonic since you know generations

Classic sonic forgot wen he go his time lini

He wouldn't remember it if it created an offshoot Because there is an infinite number of Timelines So that means the one for Mania never remembered it Because he changed his own timeline So somewhere in the multi verse. There is a classic sonic that does know how to defeat the Timeeater And remembers doing so.

Maybe modern sonic has no idea about classic sonic because it not a time loop, modern sonic never time traveled as classic sonic. It’s just another cycle of the universe