I think that if you have less subtlety than a comic book written by Garth Ennis, you have officially failed at being satire.

@SquagelZ

Ай бұрын

@Rotom0479 iirc in the comic, Tek Knight was only driven to degeneracy by his brain tumor, and he was horrified by it. And was seeking therapy, sent his sidekick away to protect him.

@ShadowRulah

Ай бұрын

Ennis is on the nose and upsetting in a compelling way. This is insipid.

@Mulletmanalive

Ай бұрын

Ennis was also given the benefit of writing in the early oughts, a period where you could pass off degeneracy as high-brow commentary

@gubshitescholarship7043

Ай бұрын

​​@@SquagelZ I'm at the point where if someone says the comic is bad then why would anyone make a TV adaptation? Especially when fans of the show are saying the comic is too offensive?

@mightquinnable

Ай бұрын

Yes; I don’t like using 4chan as a adjective but the boys comic is the most 4chan type of writing

SOME of Batman's wealthy villains: Two-face (district attorney), Penguin (son of billionaires), Court of owls, Deadshot (son of billionaires), Hush (son of billionaires), Maxie Zeus, Ra's al gul, terrible trio, Falcone, Maroni, Black mask, Catman, Thorne, Daggett, Dr Dorian and Count Vertigo. Batman fights crime, he doesn't profit from it. He actively loses money, blood and friends in his fight for justice. People like Kripke can't understand this because they only see identity, not character. Bruce Wayne is a rich White guy, and to them those things are bad so Bruce must be bad also.

@hope-cat4894

Ай бұрын

He should read Batman: War on Crime. It has Bruce Wayne talking to a rich man who is about to destroy a poor neighborhood, and Bruce is disgusted by him. Bruce has been shown multiple times throughout canon to despise selfish, rich people who take advantage of the weak and poor.

@joevile240

Ай бұрын

​@@hope-cat4894Also, in Stayic Shock, Bruce shows up and builds a rehab center for the people with powers.

@Journey_to_who_knows

28 күн бұрын

It was clearly supposed to be a iron man parody why did they make it Batman. Then took away everything that made the drawn character cool.

@Misterfreezeable

26 күн бұрын

I don't read Batman. How does he make money?

@bencheevers6693

25 күн бұрын

@@Misterfreezeable He owns a controlling interest in a publically traded corporation essentially google/boeing/amazon/whatever the biggest power company is

Fringy hits the nail on the head. Everything these people do is always done with the most cynical, spiteful, and hateful point of view. They hate any kind of heroism and want everyone to be as sad and miserable as they are.

@jonashartman3059

Ай бұрын

Yeah, he's got it figured out. I don't understand this need for pushing the envelope. It doesn't work out most of the time, and it ends up creating really horrible stuff.

@mightquinnable

Ай бұрын

Yup, it’s even worse when you think about where the world is at this time

@boggeddown778

Ай бұрын

Did you know that the creator of the show The Boys is of a certain ethnic background? I'm noticing a pattern with the creators of this degenerate, shock value, demoralizing, hateful, spiteful, cynical "art".

@ProfessorHeavy1

Ай бұрын

The irony is that the original comic series was sometimes heavily criticised for being exactly that: a take on comic book superheroes that was mostly driven by superhero spite and shock value. The TV series was praised for diverging from that. And now look at it. "The Bat-Cave is sort of a dungeon" my ass.

@BDaltonYoung

Ай бұрын

Immoral people hate heroism. Moral relativists (a.k.a. idiots) have to smear everything into shades of grey or risk being reminded of the ugly truth that some things are good and right while others are bad and wrong.

“Whats fascism?” “You know like Batman?” “Wow cool, I wanna be a fascist”

@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805

18 күн бұрын

no joke, a guy told me something was "openly fascist", when I asked "whats fascism?" (because I genuinely wasnt familiar with it) he confidently said "I couldnt give you a good answer for that"

I always love how every season people pretend like it’s the first time anyone has ever complained about the politics in The Boys, when people had been complaining even before it had Stormfront directly insinuate that Pewdiepie was a Nazi.

@lusasedoux479

Ай бұрын

Listening to Stormfront say Anything was so difficult, especially when i would show Blatant Quotes from her to some casual friends of mine, and they'd react like she'd said Nothing Wrong, at first. Like, they sneak so much Garbage Right Past the csual audience, F*cking Somehow. I was outright baffled man, idk wtf is going on.

@AquaStockYT

Ай бұрын

​@@lusasedoux479Ironic too because if she *wasn't* an awful character but only when she was not even remotely political

@ManHamAlsume

Ай бұрын

Stormfront was too based for this show

@jackjaws

Ай бұрын

Storm front didn’t say that. The shrinking girl in Gen V did

@josesosa3337

Ай бұрын

​@@jackjawsThey both did.

Correct. The fun was in seeing normal people figuring out how to take down corrupt and evil demigods. The show lost focus and is zooming in on things we don't care about.

@franzosisch5965

Ай бұрын

Agreed. They had the perfect baseline for an awesome show but ruined it with their messaging. Their messaging that was constantly show to be bad throughout the show, ironically.

@nhagan001

Ай бұрын

I would say the bigger issue is all the morally black characters. Not white, not grey, just black. At one point I could feel that The Boys were on the side of good (their grievances against Supes being very justified), fighting against the corruption. Now? No one is good. You’re just watching people roll around in impossibly more black levels of evil. I wish I could say the political messaging was all that bad, but I was too busy witnessing the destruction of characters over and over for it to matter. It started to feel like a “becoming the thing you swore to destroy”.

@randomhuman2595

Ай бұрын

A Trains story is great

@Markunator

Ай бұрын

@@nhagan001 William Butcher was never a good person.

@Psycorde

Ай бұрын

Basically, the more they deviated from the source material, the worse it got

I love how these are the people who will preach all day about toxic masculinity and the need to be kinder to male rape victims, yet they are the exact same people who go "Hurr-durr, a man being raped is funny!" and play it off for laughs.

@tanner201x8

Ай бұрын

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought the show didn’t make fun of Hughie’s “grape”? The only example I can think of is way back in season 1 when Deep was “graped” but that was more comeuppance than making fun of him

@Szymnides

Ай бұрын

​@tanner201x8 Kripke - man behind the boys was pleased how fun his deconstruction of batman was and dungeon scene with hughie.

@hashkangaroo

Ай бұрын

@@tanner201x8 The showrunner literally said in an interview that he views the rape scene as hilarious.

@happynihilist2573

Ай бұрын

Male Feminists are the real Toxic Males as the old joke goes

@kojoattah3987

Ай бұрын

It’s called safe activism It’s what Disney does 😂 Trying to hit every corner

Season 3 was carried hard by Soldier Boy but since the first episode, it was clear the writers wanted to project their fetishes on each and every single person in the show except for the ones with the right politics

@christo-gj1qk

Ай бұрын

See that's just annoying.

@TheFuzzician

Ай бұрын

Shame how everyone turned on him at the end, when he was the only one trying to actually take out Homelander (and was their best chance).

@TheNo15

Ай бұрын

@@TheFuzzicianthe man they needed, not the one they deserved

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Ай бұрын

@@TheFuzzician The whole thing made no sense. The Boys should have teamed up with Soldier Boy to take out Homelander and THEN take out SB afterwards. But Mother's Milk and his crew would not have it and yet these guys were seen as the heroes.

@ManHamAlsume

Ай бұрын

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 I’ll never understand why MM called Soldier Boy a racist at the end. Soldier Boy showed zero signs of being a racist the entire season.

I'm so fucking sick of postmodern deconstruction and subversion of tropes and stereotypes. I want to watch something fucking heartfelt. Something meaningful. Something unironic. Something that wasn't made to mock something else, but which was made with love and passion, rather than derision and ironic deconstruction. Hollywood is dead, and Hollywood writers killed it.

@Slender_Man_186

Ай бұрын

And that’s why Invincible succeeds where The Boys fails, Invincible is a deconstruction, but one that comes from a deep love of the super hero genre and offers a reconstruction that breaks tropes without breaking tried and true themes. The Boys meanwhile, both the comic and the show despite how much fans of the show claim it’s better, are just cynical and come from a place of hate, they offer nothing constructive, just a petty author and now showrunner venting their jealousy and spitefulness.

@nont18411

Ай бұрын

Everyone wants to do a red wedding but not many of them are as masterful as GRRM.

@HuskyandStarch

Ай бұрын

A-fucking-men. It's a bunch of adult children huffing each other's farts thinking they know better than thousands of years of storytelling and archetypes that speak to something deeper in the audience than pervy poop jokes

@momoom2915

Ай бұрын

Can i give you perhaps a "cringe" series? I Love Outlander, its written for women but its historical and also has politics and wars and so on. First season has some brutal topics and they handle IT Well. Also the men and women dynamic is great! If IT IS absolutely nothing for you i recommend blue eye Samurai, young inspector mourse, the Terror (season 1) and melchior

@SigmaBenLinus

Ай бұрын

Watch Lost

It was pretty obvious from early season 2. Kripke made characters like Soldier Boy as strawmen of the people he hates but got pissed people actually found them entertaining. It obviously got under his skin, so he just keeps tripling and quadrupling down on the crazy. And then you have to read the "media literates" being cringe on social media.

@Slender_Man_186

Ай бұрын

And ironically the same morons claiming to be “media literate” never realized they were strawmen to begin with.

@NoahHunterGamble

Ай бұрын

Probably why we’ll never see soldier boy again sadly…

@GPMM213

29 күн бұрын

@@NoahHunterGamble Honestly, with the way the show is heading, that might be a good thing...

@Journey_to_who_knows

28 күн бұрын

Then he messed up terribly because he is one of the coolest men to walk despite obviously being horrible and amoral. Even the gait he uses with perfect confidence to amble into rooms makes him seem larger than life.

@cynicalperson161

27 күн бұрын

​@@NoahHunterGamble Well he was teased in the Season finale, so we'll have to see what happens.

The writer's not at all disguised fetish.

@Sig509

Ай бұрын

authorities should check Kripke's laptop and home

@marlom7882

26 күн бұрын

@@Sig509100% now that you guys mentioned it my opinion went from “this man is a dumbass hack” to “check his hard drive”

@StandWatie1862

24 күн бұрын

​@Sig509 Oh you already know.

@wontonschannel

24 күн бұрын

people should be looking at jack quaid a bit funny too. bro sat on a cake a little bit too willingly...

@matheusorth5365

14 күн бұрын

Community and Rick & Morty flashbacks

someone please mention the fucking court of owls. the literal 1% if gotham. THATS AN ENEMY OF BATMAN

@arklaw8306

Ай бұрын

Who?

@houghtonjojo8944

Ай бұрын

@@arklaw8306pretty much the Gotham illuminati. Dating back to 2012 it’s a group of the Gotham elite who meet in secret and run the city from the shadows.

@aaronpeterson3838

Ай бұрын

​@@arklaw8306 the court of owl are a group of ultra wealth people that run Gotham from the shadows via corruption. The group has been in the city since it was founded and have a stock of brainwashed zombie assassin's that batman has fought before.

@bryanpate9531

Ай бұрын

Gotham's socialite who secretly run the city they're very cool characters check them out

@mellog1512

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I like the court of owls. I wish they were used more. The only movie I remember them showing up in was Batman vs robin.

The Boys: The writer's fetish and political views. I stopped watching when they fumbled the easiest finale setup ever in season 3, and I'm glad I did because this season just sounds like edgy shock humour plus political garbage.

@shiggydiggy6847

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I was livid when they didn't wrap it up on season 3. It was very baffling that they kept doing it after that point since it genuinely felt like the show has nothing left to resolve besides Homelanders' kid, but that could've been dealt with if they last two episodes were rewritten slightly.

@DSPHistoricalSociety

Ай бұрын

It's FILLED with that!

@Markunator

Ай бұрын

It’s only “political garbage” because you disagree with it…

@Iianator

26 күн бұрын

In the comics when homelander realizes he's not special and just another Vought product that was beyond mediocre he's killed by black noir, a superior and truly inhuman being. In the show he beats soldier boy in a 3v1, beats Maeve while holding back and yet is somehow still a man child and learns nothing from the ordeal

@YBOT-BITTERs

17 күн бұрын

@@Markunator yes lol. Now simp for jenny "fetal alcohol syndrome" Nicholson some more lol

What's that? Hyper political people being incredibly hypocritical over issues depending entirely on who their political allies find good or bad? Shocking, genuinely. I miss the days where there was the semblance of a baseline moral expectation of thoughts and behaviors. At least people used to *pretend* in public that they believed certain immoral acts were immoral regardless of political optics.

@jackh7977

Ай бұрын

We need physical bullying back in schools. It's fine to be weird but you should feel shame and hide your weird fetish shit. This youre perfect the way you are shit is cancerous. Strive to be better. When you make your sexual urges you're entire personality you're a boring person.

@wilder11

Ай бұрын

Yeah those days are gone. We no longer have a working shared moral foundation. We killed God, and are now fighting over the scraps.

@mightquinnable

Ай бұрын

They always been like that, it’s the reason why they make sex scandal a thing.

@la_scrittice_vita

Ай бұрын

Go listen to the other efap highlight they just released. Basically, it's fine to have your dragon torch a city of rich people with slaves. It's only wrong if the poors are hurt.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

Ай бұрын

​@@la_scrittice_vita but the slaves get hurt by definition in that case...

Remember SS1 was made by different Producer, and he left after it After that the current guy took up the job and it all downhill from there

@Timic83tc

Ай бұрын

It's so clear.

@h4tch3tt74

Ай бұрын

The show was never good. The first producer probably realized that and left after his 1 season contract.

@ratboysrule

Ай бұрын

Just like the walking dead.

@Journey_to_who_knows

28 күн бұрын

For what it’s worth it’s interesting seeing the episodes get more gross and deranged as Homelander deteriorates. It kind of made the ending speech a bit more impactful.

@Iianator

26 күн бұрын

​@@Journey_to_who_knows I thought being gross and edgy is what made people hate band wagon the comics?

Ironically I think part of the reason that Invincible was so popular was because even though it's dark and has comedic aspects most of the main characters are very genuine and heroic characters that just have somewhat more realistic personalities, whereas The Boys is just shock value and one liners mostly with a few good scenes once in a blue moon and some talented actors. I feel like people are getting kinda tired of the subversive stuff

@darkpuppetlordful

Ай бұрын

Invincible also has a level of stakes and gravitas for everything that happens in the story, the serious scenes are given space and respect, it doesn't waste time while still being a comfortable pace.

@Sephirothkingdom782

11 күн бұрын

@@darkpuppetlordfulseason 2 was incredible at character work despite being slow.

@theocan

8 күн бұрын

Well think about how Hughie's trauma is instantly shrugged off for the next assault scene, because he has about 3 or 4 in this latest season alone. Then compare that to Mark's genuine PTSD from murdering someone, and how he now has to come to terms with how fragile the world truly is around him. And his last scene is basically him not coming to terms with this but a huge explosion of emotion that he's been trying to hold in for the entirety of season 2. My only worry is that each season of Invincible might be him constantly dealing with the next level of trauma, but the writing has been spot on and I trust them to handle it well. Unlike The Boys which completely runs on shock value.

Never mind having this episode happen to a woman like starlight, Erics career would be over if he even brought it up in a team meeting as a suggestion.

@trevturp6891

27 күн бұрын

What are you talking about?

I think the authorities need to check Kripke’s basement. No, that’s not a Terminator 3 reference.

@Iianator

26 күн бұрын

Alas I am not smart enough to get that line. I was an Aliens nerd

@goddessofchaos7754

25 күн бұрын

​@Iianator "youu are my lucky staaarrrrr......light."

@JoeCool90

21 күн бұрын

@@IianatorMike Kripke’s basement was where John Connor and Catherine Brewster (the protagonists in T-3) had kissed at a party.

Batman has his costumes to equip him for certain jobs and to mark his progression. Robin is Batman's partner. Their relationship is either professional of familial depending on which Robin, and they become known in Gotham for helping people. Nothing about the showrunner's description of him makes sense. Batman doesn't profit off the poor. In Year 1, he strikes at the rich and hunts the "for eating gotham's wealth." Crime in Gotham is usually tied to those who have, not those who don't.

@feliperisseto9113

Ай бұрын

Most of Batman's enemies are very wealthy.

@Vaguer_Weevil

Ай бұрын

You don't get it guys, the Joker's just misunderstood, he's actually a really cool guy deep down probably and so hashtag relatable. He does crimes just to feed all his -goons- starving kids and just wants to have fun, is that SO bad? But noooo, -Richman- Batman has to just ruin everything. >:(

@almalone3282

Ай бұрын

As Despot or Little Platoon said, Batman's enemies are motivated by ideology not by wealth or lack thereof. Even if Gotham turned into a socialist utopia batman's most dangerous villains like Joker, Scarecrow, Bane, Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze, would still be threat to the people of Gotham.

@augustusfren133

Ай бұрын

@@Vaguer_Weevil same people who enjoy that one animated show that is set in hell and angels are dicks and hell is just quirky and gay rather than literal eternal suffering.

@Lauren007E

Ай бұрын

It's literally just the "I never read a Batman comic but Batman literally only beats up mentally ill people guys!" Take Which is funny since even Grath Ennis actually does like Batman and Superman. So even if he did have a darker take it might actually be a proper take not whatever this is

I remember a dissertation or some sort of essay that my mythology teacher had us read that basically made the same opinion on Batman. That Batman is simply keeping the status quo of Gotham, saying it's basically a police state and that Joker is basically the good guy trying to destroy capitalism. Luckily almost all the nerds in class basically said that it was dumb and wrong on the lore. Also, being a fan of Supernatural I thought the Boys was gonna be fun, and then I realized that Seth Rogen was apart of it, and from then on I knew it was gonna be obnoxiously violent, sexual, and a bunch of dumb fart jokes.

My sister was rewatching Grimm a while back. I remember liking the first couple episodes, so I joined her. Halfway through the show one of the characters, a witch, disguises herself as the protagonist's girlfriend and assaults the unaware man. We were both disgusted, but what was worse is that this rape by deception is presented as a mistake and nothing more. Even worse still was that they decided these two characters should fall in love and get married. Hollywood seems unwilling to portray male victims as victims.

@tuhinhazarika5186

Ай бұрын

Yeah, after the incident, the characters first were really offended, but when Nick explained the situation about him getting literally r'ed, they just glossed over it. That and them ending up together really rubbed me the wrong way.

@JarvisPen

Ай бұрын

Ruined his initially great relationship with Juliette. Admittedly, Adalind and Nick had great chemistry later on, but the entire relationship was undermined by how it started. The really angry part was that it was never addressed as rape.

@user-yr7pi3gi2y

Ай бұрын

I surprised somebody watch this show . That was kind of messed up episode.

@ProtoManiac2283

Ай бұрын

I love Grimm but that should've definitely been handled differently

@simplegarak

Ай бұрын

I loved Grimm, but did NOT like Adalinde. That bit was definitely a show low point. (Now Nick & Rosalee? Show high point.)

Zack Snyder understands Batman better than this guy. ZACK SNYDER

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Ай бұрын

The point of the Boys is not about being accurate, though! lol

@IndianTheNaked

Ай бұрын

​@@johnnyskinwalker4095 They're not talking about the show itself, they're talking about Kripke's interpretation of Batman.

@321cheeseman

Ай бұрын

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Inaccurate satire tends to be far less funny and meaningful than accurate satire. What is the purpose of an obvious Batman analog that totally fails to comment or poke fun at what Batman actually is?

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Ай бұрын

@@321cheeseman I agree with you. But people have been joking for ages that Batman and Robin were an item. And that Bruce was "collecting" sidekicks. So they pushed it further saying that they both were into S & M and that the Batcave is essentially a dunjeon. I mean it's not the most exciting take. But I can see someone wanting to make a "sick" version of Batman doing that. The comics version written by Ennis seems to be better than that, though.

@Mac-eo4bc

Ай бұрын

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 No. People from Tumblr/Fanfiction writers were trying to argue their secret fetishes by "Joking" about it. We've had plenty of time to realize this

They literally make fun of the same thing they boast about being so brave for saying in the first place. Watching through each episode of the boys, season after season, it's so F*CKING Hard to Do. I don't reccomend it, to anyone, ever. Don't waste your time, I feel like they've even wasted the Characters time in the Show, I feel so disgusted by the lack of usage of its incredible potential.

@davideventili2881

Ай бұрын

@@allthingslegends Simon pegg is Amazing, it's the writing we're talking about. I don't really like butcher either. So does he want to fucking save Ryan or not? He's all over the place, like Ryan (Is he fucking evil or not?) He alternates between the two at a very inconsistent rate

@davideventili2881

Ай бұрын

@@allthingslegends yeah we went through that in S3 though, the character has regressed

@notgonnapay

Ай бұрын

@@allthingslegendsYeah, Frenchie’s awesome, right? Isn’t it so sick how they made him bisexual and in a serious relationship with a man this season when an attraction toward men had never been established in the slightest? Isn’t it so much better than the obvious choice of him and Kumiko getting together/maintaining their relationship when she’s the only person he’s cared for since they met?

@notgonnapay

Ай бұрын

@@allthingslegendsButcher should be over his conflict with Ryan and be working tirelessly to get Ryan on their side. It’s what his wife would’ve wanted, and she’s the only person who matters to him. At the very least, the pragmatic, Homelander-hating Butcher should want to patch things up with Ryan because we all know he’s the only one who can kill Homelander.

@notgonnapay

Ай бұрын

@@allthingslegends It's not pretentious at all. Frenchie was probably my favorite character along with Kumiko, and they upended their entire relationship so they could spend screentime working out their problems alone instead of helping each other as they naturally would. But I’ve given up my emotional investment in the show after S2 started adding literal conservative strawmen. If I want to watch rich people fellate themselves while spewing propaganda, I’ll turn on MSNBC. As for Butcher, there’s no reason he wouldn’t have gone into that fight planning to take Ryan away from Homelander. He got over his hatred for supes two seasons ago when he started living with one.

As a man who was sexual assaulted and almost graped when I was younger. Watching this episode of the boys caused me to nearly gag because it reminded me of myself. I was on the verge of throwing up all over my desk and had to rush to the restroom. As soon as I calmed down I turned my computer off and did my best to get my mind off of it. And now to know that not only did they include this in the show but the people behind the show things this is hilarious to joke about ? This man is actually giving grapist signs and it’s disgusting.

@jsiahprimus6234

Ай бұрын

Nobody should have to go through that. I hope you're doing okay and continue to push forward

@HelpW4nted

Ай бұрын

Yeah... I think he may need to have his basement and hard drive investigated. I can't imagine someone normal and upstanding finding something so unbelievably horrific to be funny or entertaining.

@mrmusickhimself

26 күн бұрын

I guarantee that Jack Quaid had unknowingly satisfied at least 3 of Eric's kinks, I thought the same thing, not exactly subtle to display your kinks onscreen in ONE scene.

@spacepope87

25 күн бұрын

Grow a pair. The show does a lot of disgusting stuff, and you didn't see that coming?

@garbearfar1394

24 күн бұрын

Don’t keep watching theirs another couple of assaults by deception later in the season to hughie again. Of course it’s glazed over and the only reaction that matters is starlights not hughies.

They made the mistake of thinking people were sticking to the show for the satire. They weren’t, the main attractions for the first season was seeing people without powers overcoming an enemy they theoretically could not defeat. It was a grounded power fantasy with good and interesting characters , that was the best part of the show.

@kale4550

Ай бұрын

The first episode of the show was by far my favorite so far and I'm halfway through season 2. Legit, seeing Hughie and Butcher overcome and outsmart Translucent, and beat the ass of a corrupt superhero is such a hype and fulfilling momeny; the show would be a 10/10 if It didn't stray from the feeling and tone of this episode. It actually felt triumphant and righteous. Sadly every character has to be a piece of garbage morally. I'm still watching but I'm basically ignoring the politics.

@vissermatt1058

Ай бұрын

my largest complaint in season 2, where i gave up and quit, was the boys went from a ragtag group fighting supes... to a hand full of morons who havent been murdered yet cause the plot? the black noir house scene, the grabbing a bunch of hand guns to go fight for homelanders son scene, the beached whale the deep scene, hugie in their hq scene... the list went on and on. the story writers had no fucking clue what they had, and went down a path that is honestly just pathetic. its like driving an awesome prototype vehicle with amazing power source regeneration off a cliff for the lawls

@Plasma_Beam_Games

Ай бұрын

All the scenes I've re-watched from _The Boys_ were nuanced, emotional scenes like Butcher meeting his Dad. Some of the best scenes (like Homelander going back to the lab) manage to be violent and emotional at the same time. Yeah, I think the writers have really misunderstood their own show if they think it's all just about satire and violence.

@Iianator

26 күн бұрын

In season 1 Frenchie says every supe needs a special weakness cause normal weapons and tactics are useless against them. After that they never bring this up again and fight supes with normal weapons

In just mere seconds, reading that interview made me fucking hate the showrunners. So disgusting.

@yharnamenjoyer7648

Ай бұрын

"He's a jew, he thinks violence is funny." -BigBunjieeeeee

The second I saw what book Tek Knight uses as the key to his BDSM lair, I knew how bad it would get. It was 120 Days in Sodom by Marquis de Sade. If you've never read his books, don't. He is where the term Sadism came from, and there is a reason why he died alone in an insane asylum.

@qing7902

Ай бұрын

yeah i picked that up too. im glad they didn’t go far enough to actually recreate anything from that book. then again, it wouldn’t have been televised

@mightquinnable

Ай бұрын

That so cringe, they really put that in the show

@LazyKalor

Ай бұрын

I was disappointed with '120 Days', a lot of shocking stuff but writing quality was very amateurish. Marquis had much better books, seems they didn't put much thought and went with most known book.

@qing7902

Ай бұрын

@@LazyKalor they’re hardly going to put justine in. the implication is that tek knight has a copy of it which he uses for porn, because he’s such a degenerate it’s not some veiled literary reference to the marquis de sade, it’s a reference to the horrible contents of that book

@He-who-wakes

Ай бұрын

​@@mightquinnableso fucking on the nose too

Literally why the hell would sexual assault on a guy be "funny" when it's Hughie being abused by his childhood hero... When even the fucking _Deep_ had a more serious onscreen history with SA? I mean, the obvious comparison to him raping Starlight, but what about the woman who shoved her hands down his gills? Wasn't that meant to be horrific?

@ymisober272

Ай бұрын

The humor is really rooted in the shock value I think it can be played for laughs and tension , and the whole show is about idols being exposed as flawed individuals

Shock value for shock value's sake is a big reason why I stopped watching The Boys, and now that they've used male SA as a joke I'm really never watching it again. Just watch Invincible instead, it's so much better of a show. Spoiler Warning: I really hope Invincible handles Mark's SA properly like in the comics. The comics are one of the only good examples of male SA being treated with the seriousness and care it deserves, and it's really important that the show gets it right too.

@Sarcastic_Sophist

Ай бұрын

I'll admit I'm very concerned that they will remove that plot point given they seemed to want to portray Anissa as the reasonable viltrumite.

@Keychaine

Ай бұрын

​@Sarcastic_Sophist I'm hoping they're making her seem reasonable so that it will lead to a bigger rug pull moment when it actually happens.

@dumoneyyy

Ай бұрын

​@@Sarcastic_Sophist Thats not something the show changed. Anissa's first appearance was not too dissimilar to how she was in the show. Showed up and tried to have a conversation instead of doing the Viltrumite thing and kill first

@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT

Ай бұрын

Invincible sucks as well. Sorry. Watching either one at this point is bad for your brain.

@leecameron9226

Ай бұрын

​@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYTit really isn't the boys season 4 is still great you really can't take a joke can you The boys is just Uber crazy it's not trying to be what you want

‘Hunting poor people’? Ah yes, known poor person: Millionaire crime boss Carmine Falconi

@mikeoxlong1395

29 күн бұрын

Or that poor sad minority Black Mask.

The show tanked when the girl who plays annie became physically unable to express anything other than constipation.

@MirandaSinistra

Ай бұрын

She looks like female Skelator. It's sad considering just how beautiful she was and she ruined it.

@notgonnapay

Ай бұрын

I thought they resurrected Joan Rivers to play Annie this season.

@loudtaste1046

Ай бұрын

Starlight became so annoying

@Sig509

Ай бұрын

Meth, not even once.

@samzilla567

Ай бұрын

I like how Starlight claims she doesn't need Hughie's help on a few occasions, despite the fact that he's rescued her when Homelander kidnapped her and even at her max power level she can only do as much as shove Soldier Boy to the ground.

Not only does our culture not take Male SA seriously, our culture doesn't take ANYTHING Men might be dealing with seriously, Period. I'm 53 and have been struggling with Chronic Pain due to Inoperable Spinal Damage for 31 years. It has destroyed everything in my life. My Career, my Social Life, my Hobbies and my Marriage. My Wife of 15 years in her Anger and Resentment is divorcing me. Not only do I get no sympathy from anyone I know, the undercurrent (except from my Wife and her Sister, who have just flat-out said it) is that I'm Weak and Lazy.

@andrewdau1299

5 күн бұрын

I'm sorry that happened to you man.

Wow bruh I've never heard a take so braindead as "batman hunts down poor people" nahhh this dude is super cracked up top

@Psycorde

Ай бұрын

It's actually not new, leftists came up with it a while ago

If there is one thing worse than a far left woke writer is a far left woke writer that want to be "edgy".

@randomhuman2595

Ай бұрын

Although they sometimes mock the left

@Pers0n97

Ай бұрын

@@randomhuman2595 Well, they used to. Until they didn't. Also the way they mocked the left was always less biting and less spiteful than when they mocked the right.

The thing is with Hughie and avenging Robin, earlier in the season he eventually forgave A-Train, who's been secretly helping The Boys after doing so much bad shit, and this forgiveness is actually one of the only decent fucking things about the show anymore, this dichotomy between Hughie and A-Train, how he doesn't want to end up like Butcher and Homelander just full of hatred, while A-Train in the same cake-farting episode delivers MM to the hospital and gains the admiration of a young kid and in that moment he genuinely feels like a hero, which is one other nice thing the show has going for it right before they're obviously going to kill A-Train cause we can't have decent characters anymore.

@gottesurteil3201

Ай бұрын

A train killed his girlfriend. Did they ever address that?

@gs4011

Ай бұрын

​@@gottesurteil3201yes. Hughie has given A-Train plenty of grief for it, and during A-Train's "police brutality arc" his own hypocrisy is exposed to him when he demands "justice" be served to Blue Hawk.

@gottesurteil3201

Ай бұрын

@@gs4011 was that the guy that he got to kill and didn't forgive? Blue hawk.

@gs4011

Ай бұрын

@@gottesurteil3201 yeah. A-Train murders Blue Hawk, suffers a heart attack and his heart is replaced with Blue Hawk's

@darkpuppetlordful

Ай бұрын

​@@gottesurteil3201Hugie even forgives him for it, saying he doesn't want to live carrying hatred forever. Its honestly a great scene

imma give efap credit, they saw this shit coming straight from s02

@tanner201x8

Ай бұрын

Yup, I thought they were being a bit harsh way back then but now I realize they weren’t being harsh enough

@Herr_Affe

Ай бұрын

It wasn't that hard to see, though. Barely a few episodes deep into S2 and you had a couple characters "alluding" to how difficult it is being black. I dropped the show a few episodes later.

@movieman6456

Ай бұрын

That’s where I dropped off, too.

@kojoattah3987

Ай бұрын

I’ve watched since s1 and yes it’s gone downhill The creator got too comfy now he permanently stained his rep by turning a serious topic into a joke real victims get made fun of now they’re meet with more laughter by the shows they watch What a wonderful world 😅

@ManCheat2

Ай бұрын

shouldve seen it coming from s1 lol

Sister Sage is more racist than Stormfront

@QuothTheRavenclaw11

Ай бұрын

Sister Sage complains about the world and how terrible people are while also admitting she could solve a lot of the world's problems. That kind of mentality only contributes to the problem. I hope Sage eventually gets called out and punished for it. But I wouldn't be surprised if the showrunners agreed with her mentality.

@TheFuzzician

Ай бұрын

Sage is a truly awful character. She is supposed to be super smart, yet does nothing but bitch and complain. You would think someone THAT smart could live a very comfortable life, rather than just "surrounded by books". And what has she done that was so smart? Get Starlight upset and have her beat up Firecracker? That's......fine, but not genius or anything. We would expect Stillwell/Ashley/ Newman/Stormfront to pull off this sort of thing regularly. And her whole "we are superior go humans" is just getting tiresome......

@oongloose-moogloose-rl3dm

Ай бұрын

@@TheFuzzician I know right? It's so superficial, like the writers went 'hmmm how do we highlight the character intelligence? LET'S PUT HER IN A ROOM FULL OF BOOKS'. It's like that robot guy from Portal giving out quotes at random to appear smart. It's even more surprising considering the show already has a well written smart character that is Stan Edgar.

@charleszp938

Ай бұрын

​ The writing of, and around Sage makes no sense. Every company or organism ever could hire her, get the smartest person on Earth to work for them, but they don't? Because they're all unilaterally helmed by hypothetical racist White guys? The show has a blatantly anti-White message, too! It portrays discrimination against supes as a good thing. Supes are stand-ins for White people. Everyone can see it.

@kvltovpersonality6290

Ай бұрын

@@TheFuzzician It's the paradox of wanting a diverse character to be the smartest, most bestest person in the room... but ALSO maintain their victimhood as a marginalized person. You get a character who will just bitch and moan about everything they could do, then doesn't do, then gets mad at you for questioning why they didn't do it

Kripke has always been this way. He just wasn't popular enough for people to give him a platform to expose how gross he is.

@stellviahohenheim

Ай бұрын

Tbh the comic is grosser

@sevrelik

Ай бұрын

He wasn't always though, at least with his writing. Supernatural was never like this, even when including the later, awful seasons of the show. Something broke that man's brain.

@kvltovpersonality6290

Ай бұрын

@@stellviahohenheim Cute opinion, what youtube video essay did you get it from?

@juanrollel3693

Ай бұрын

​@@kvltovpersonality6290 he got it from that dumbass that did that video off season 1 , that video aged lile rotten milk

@sacredbeastzenon

Ай бұрын

@@sevrelik I think he to try and put his best foot forward with Supernatural. Once he proved himself now can do what he really wants.

Look how they massacred my "The Boys"

@randomhuman2595

Ай бұрын

A Trains story is still good

@armandoguerra7658

Ай бұрын

@@randomhuman2595smooth brain consooooomer

@randomhuman2595

Ай бұрын

@@armandoguerra7658 Smooth brain comment

@armandoguerra7658

Ай бұрын

@@randomhuman2595 you’re as original as this show, you’d probably be eating a farted cake right about now

@randomhuman2595

Ай бұрын

@@armandoguerra7658 Thanks for revealing your fet. ish

That Batman critique, Batman being fascist is laughable. The crime families feature heavily in Gotham, these are rich people who own the police and control organized crime. This is in addition to his regular rouges like Joker, Poison Ivy, and Riddler. Penguin himself is rich too. If Batman is anything political he is anti-fascist. But Batman isn't political, he is a paragon story of discipline and passion, and love for his community. Yet despite that, many comics point out the consequences of his obsession, with strained ties with his "Bat Family." He is a commentary on what trauma can do to someone, there are many different reactions to different types of trauma, but one that's often seen is a strong desire to not see that done to others, and to give back to your community. That is Batman. And his no-kill rule is as understandable as it is full of negative consequences. This is why he is such a compelling character. Kripke's comments just show he doesn't know anything about Batman.

@Slender_Man_186

Ай бұрын

Eh, I kinda hate what his no-kill rule has become. When I got into Batman comics I started with the originals, and originally Batman did kill when necessary and stopped killing altogether when he recruited Robin. Modern Batman writers have this weird f$&king tendency to just straight up make him a psychopath, saying that the only reason he doesn’t kill is that he’d never be able to stop and would just become another mass murderer, and to me it’s just insane how this character assassination has been canonized and accepted by the fans.

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Ай бұрын

Well it's not a show making characters like they really are. The point is turning them into sick bastards. lol So Batman is practicing S & M with Robin, etc....

@Theendman42

Ай бұрын

@@Slender_Man_186 I agree with you there, Batman being a psychopath with his no-kill rule being there because he'd kill everyone in sight if he started is poor characterization. A Batman who killed would never let Joker live, so him not killing allows the villain to return for more stories. But I like the interpretation that he doesn't kill so that he wouldn't cause someone out there to go through what he did when his parents were gunned down. Something he sticks to even when it would be an easy case to say he should kill the villain. A character flaw of his.

@nont18411

Ай бұрын

Plus, we already have “Batman but fascist” character. His name is Lex Luthor.

@Chris-sm2uj

Ай бұрын

Batman is hunting super criminals. What does it matter if they are poor?

I'm kinda baffled they went and made Tek Knight a Batman parody when Black Noir already exists. The concept of Tek Knight strikes me as a Iron Man/Tony Stark parody, which given how aggressively the show attacks the MCU, would fit rather well into the narrative. But no, gotta make all of our adolescent Batman jokes that everyone has heard countless times already.

@darkpuppetlordful

Ай бұрын

He is more of an iron man parody in the comics, although its kind of an amalgamation, they just leaned batman because Kripke wanted to make the "haha batman molests robin" joke for the quintillionth time in human history

@prabukr6241

25 күн бұрын

Especially with Webweaver being a spiderman parody, the sidekick dynamic would have worked much better if he was a parody of iron man. He even invites webweaver to his place of operations just like in the first spiderman.

Funnily enough a big problem with the show is how safe it is. It tries to pretend it is edgy by shoving gross out gore and sex, but it almost has no actual effect as that kind of thing just becomes meaningless schlock when used to much (which they do). Even with some of their most outwardly evil characters, they to are milquetoast and can’t even come out and be fully evil and abhorrent, often just barely dipping their toes into depicting the evils the comics do. This is all is supremely ironic as the show is too safe-edgy to actually depict what a really repugnant N@zi or bigot would look like if they were given superpowers, something which the comic doesn’t shy away from. For all its flaws, the comic goes balls the to the wall for good or ill, and this helps sell the despicable characters of the superheroes. In the show their only reference point for bad people seem to be their political opponents, so they are similarly milquetoast as the show writers opponents are in real life. Not they understand that as they view anyone who does not share their opinions as being evil. All of this ironically takes the bite out of the people they want you to hate the most. They want you to view characters like Homelander, Stormfront, and Firecracker as evil racists and bigots (who are stand ins for their political opponents characterizes almost solely by what the popular talking points in left wing circles are at the time) but they are not actually going to be depicted as truly repugnant in their beliefs due to how restrictive Hollywood and its left wing biases are. For example, Stormfront the literal N@zi spouts some milquetoast halfhearted lines about “Aryan purity” and never goes further than calling someone a “black piece of shit” in the show. For a N@zi she is downright progressive and has none of the despicable outwardly evil beliefs that have made them so infamous. Homelander is to inconstant to be judged by anything other than his barely consistent character traits such as his egomania and instability. His intelligent,awareness, and power fluctuates on a dime so whatever plot needs to occur can occur regardless of if it makes no sense with how he is shown to act prior. This is especially bad regarding his powers as he straight up seems to lose his heightened senses in the newest season as he is not able to track anyone through walls anymore and his super hearing never comes into play either despite there being several scenarios where he is searching for people or loud events that he is needed for occur without him knowing and either of these would have tipped him off. Firecracker just straight up admits she is being disingenuous and has a fairly legitimate reason for her motives. So of course they make her a p3do as of course “LOL, those dumb right wingers who are worried about child exploitation must be the real p3do’s!”. She is barely a character, she is basically just a cardboard cutout that spouts whatever right wing talking points the show runners think the right wing believes so they can point out how stupid they are, an immensely easy thing to do considering they literally can just write whatever they want into the world to makes their real world position be correct in the show. Basically its all half-hearted, toothless, biased, and brain-rotted political commentary that is simultaneously trying to be edgy, not offend the various strict ideological beliefs of left-wing Hollywood, and hit every talking point the right wing has (or more likely than not does not actually have) rather than putting a good story first.

@randomhuman2595

Ай бұрын

They're are some episodes where they make fun of woke companies

@Iianator

26 күн бұрын

​@@randomhuman2595keep in note the term "woke COMPANIES"

@garbearfar1394

24 күн бұрын

@@randomhuman2595which ones?

@randomhuman2595

24 күн бұрын

@@garbearfar1394 Episode 5 Season 4

This whole season is rancid. I know the show is supposed to be shocking and gross, but a few moments were downright demented

@leecameron9226

Ай бұрын

Snowflake 😭

@YBOT-BITTERs

Ай бұрын

​@@leecameron9226redditor lol

@shawnlord3419

Ай бұрын

This an’t anything new, season 3 literally started with a rip off ant man running up some other guys urethra

@saberhap2639

28 күн бұрын

@@leecameron9226 I hate you with every fibre

@PCFROMVCS

27 күн бұрын

@shawnlord3419 that was just one part of season 3. There's something specially putrid about cake farts, pinkeye from doing a human centipede, repeatedly spewing fluids out of a spiderhole, ect. I could go on, there's more, and it all borders on fetish material. Not a fun shocking scene with super powers that tows the line

The Critical Drinker: Look who was right recommending not to watch this crap

@njbrx

10 күн бұрын

He called it way back in season 2, once again drinker was right on the money

Batman hunts poor people? I guess we’re just forgetting about the Court of Owls, a cabal of the ultra-wealthy manipulating Gotham? Or Ra’s al Ghul, a wealthy foreign ruler who runs his own assassins guild from his kingdom? Or Penguin, a greedy crime lord?

TONIGHTS EPISODE: THE WRITER'S BARELY DISGUISED...

Season 1 is probably the only season where I don't get annoyed every episode. Afterwards, the show goes from eye-rolling to some of the most brain-rotted and anger-inducing moments I've seen in a series that claims to be a critique on bad ethics and media brainwashing.

@h4tch3tt74

Ай бұрын

Season 1 was just as bad as every season that came after. The show was ALWAYS left wing garbage and attacks against the right wing

@randomhuman2595

Ай бұрын

Season 2 is good

@oldoutlet6946

Ай бұрын

@@randomhuman2595 S2's ok but there were still things every episode that made me worry about the quality and direction the show was going in.

@randomhuman2595

Ай бұрын

@@oldoutlet6946 S3 was good until the finale, S4 has been mediocre so far

This show has been progressively getting more and more in your face with the strawman political commentary. When the genderfluid hero in Gen V started complaining about "their people" always being pushed out of the spotlight for who they are, I had to drop it. I feel like the humour has been getting more and more vile with the sex shit to the point where it's just softcore pronography. It also shows the immaturity of the writers, where the only way they can make a character unlikeable is making them act like a cartoon villain and be into gross sex stuff.

God, listening to that part about how “The Bat Cave is really a sex dungeon if you really think about it” was so bad. The immaturity levels are beyond the roof with this guy.

@AtariDad

Ай бұрын

It's not that much worse than anything in the comic. If you wanna see something really messed up, look up what The Boys' version of Professor X gets up to.

@SaulFavela-ld8kt

Ай бұрын

@@AtariDadthe whole point of the comic was to be disgustingly bad and raunchy, the show runners clearly aren’t going in purely that direction and yet it’s somehow worse than the comic…. His stupid logic is “every superhero farts in their skin tight suit so it’s obvious that every superhero has a huge fart fetish”

Tech Knight is the perfect example of a College Kid at a Communist Rallies interpretation of Batman even though they have never seen any Batman productions

@randomhuman2595

Ай бұрын

Batman is probably quite left wing

@davemustang8173

Ай бұрын

@@randomhuman2595 He's hard on crime and doesn't support murder. He's definitely NOT a democrat at least

@randomhuman2595

Ай бұрын

@davemustang8173 I suppose, but he is hard on rich powerful criminals like the Joker or the Penguin, not poorer ones.

@Markunator

Ай бұрын

⁠@@davemustang8173 Democrats _are_ hard on crime, since they _have_ to be that as American politicians - and what murder do Democrats support that Republicans don’t, exactly?

@erikroman1880

Ай бұрын

​@@davemustang8173knowing batman he probably doesn't care about politics

The fact this "entertainment" is geared towards woke people and this is what they want tells you what we normal people are up against. They can lie about their intentions all they want but if art imitates life than the boys is a dead giveaway

@ZACK67931

Ай бұрын

I'm not woke but, the show entertains me.

the boys experience: 1. Put in scene bashing anything that isnt progressive while glorifying everything that is progressive. 2. Abortion good, pro life evil 3. Homelander=Donald Trump, other Villians= right wingers 4. Cartoonishly caricature the living piss out of everything that could be remotely considered right wing, deify and glorify everything that is progressive or left wing. 5. Overabundance of shock value and gross out gore to the absolute detriment of competent writing 6. Erin Moriarty forgetting what acting is.

The problem with deconstruction is that generally speaking it's easy, therefore the creatively bankrupt can do it. Creation is much harder, but when done well, it lasts forever. Few people can paint a masterpiece, but anyone can start spray painting over it. This is why Batman, Superman, Spiderman, etc. will mean something long after this series is over, because it is part of the creation of a modern (originally American but now worldwide) mythos. The people who built these characters: Stan Lee, Bob Kane, Siegel and Shuster, Christopher Reeves, Kevin Conroy, will be remembered for their parts in building and portraying those myths. Making everything dark and twisted only works so long as the darkness and twists are presented as deviations. Once you make them the norm, they no longer have the same impact on the viewer. The Joker works in a world where people don't all embrace Nietzsche nihilism and Marquis de Sade hedonism, aka the real world.

@kingleech16

Ай бұрын

I've often thought that genuine hope must be one of the hardest things for an author to get right. For those who try to make a hopeful through adversity story, it can often become a Pollyana nightmare of "They've killed and graped everyone I care about, even my dog, but gosh darned it I'm gonna smile right through it!" and they just keep piling on horrific traumas to up the ante. In response, most modern writers seem to say "Yep, that stinks, so let's just do a hopeless nihilistic mess where anyone with the slightest hint of good is a hypocrite, an idiot, or killed off horribly."

As subtle as using a 2x4 to adjusting your glasses. Edit: And remember, Jack Quaid got his start in Hollywood by killing Amandla Stenburg in Hunger Games.

@gottesurteil3201

Ай бұрын

The most based thing Jack Quaid ever did. It's honestly disappointing how beta he is now.

@mightquinnable

Ай бұрын

Huhuhuhu

@SigmaBenLinus

Ай бұрын

@@gottesurteil3201 I mean, look at him. I don't know how you'd think he'd be anything else

@gottesurteil3201

Ай бұрын

@@SigmaBenLinus looks can be deceiving his teenage years were kinder to him.

Ah yes, Batman, famous hunter of poor people. Like the Joker. And Harvey Dent. And Oswald Cobblepot. And Carmine Falconi.

@kingleech16

Ай бұрын

It also ignores the fact that lower tier criminals, like muggers, spend far more time targeting their fellow impoverished people rather than going after rich folks. When you look at victims of drug gangs and the like, you'll seldom find a Rockefeller on the list.

The best thing about the Boys was Jensen Ackles’ portrayal of Soldier Boy. Every scene he was in was awesome

@QuothTheRavenclaw11

Ай бұрын

I hope he's in the next episode and the rest of the season. I only care about him and Homelander anymore.

@TheFuzzician

Ай бұрын

Soldier Boy was the real hero of Season 3. He COULD have taken out Homelander, if only the rest of them didn't turn against him. Yea, he's kind of an asshole, but so is everyone is this world. At least Soldier Boy seems to give a shit. He was utterly disgusted with Homelander, and even after learning that he was his father, still went through with his promise to Butcher.

@shockwavesyndrome6433

Ай бұрын

It’s funny how him and homelander are written to be “evil right wingers” and yet they are everyone’s favorites

@Saint_Augustus

Ай бұрын

Still funny to me how the show tried to potray SB as "rayciss" yet he (by his own admission) was friends with Bill Cosby, went on Solid Gold and sang a rap song, hated Homelander and had a black man on his hero team. Other than MM's parents SB conically killed more white ppl in the show than black ppl😂😂😂

@sonofangron2969

Ай бұрын

I love how they clearly intended Soldier Boy to be a villain, but so many fans not only loved him, but thought Butcher should have let him finish the job…

The show’s flaws are becoming very apparent in this season. All the flaws in the previous seasons have been amplified in Season 4 from the over-reliance on shock value, inconsistency in character motivations, characters just resetting to the way they started at the beginning of the show, and perhaps most of all, very shallow and lazy political satire on the levels of a Daily Wire show like Mr. Birchum.

The Boys: from shock, to cringe

@KaosNova2

24 күн бұрын

I mean the ice skating scene I saw on KZread was like Happy Tree Friends level gore, but slightly more stupid

Copy/Pasting from the full efap my opinion on this: Honestly I hate The Boys as a comic so much it's pretty surprising that the show managed to be worse. My initial hope was that after Season 1 they'd veer into a somewhat serious story about people reverse engineering Compund V and The Seven (and assorted other 'heroes') being tapped to actually fight fellow supers, being given actual challenges and responsibilities to force them to mature, slowly realising how awful they were as people. Also I wanted the entire thing with Becca Butcher to be that she willingly slept with Homelander and cheated, and was shuffled away by Vought without Homelander knowing about his son - another layer of Homelander being FORCED to take responsibility, and explore his actual feelings coming to terms with this. An all powerful - for the most part - character who thought he would never have actual meaningful connections suddenly finding he can have kids? amazing storytelling opportunity for an actual redemption story. Over time using this to show Homelander maturing as a person while Butcher deteriorates in response to the injustice done to him by his Wife and life overall. all these different, novel character concepts that you can do in an actually pretty good satire of these childish, irresponsible and incompetent Supers being made to actually be useful - possibly with Homelander as the enforcement mechanism to make them act, possibly via Vought or The Government threatening Becca and His Son. Imagine the character dynamics of a Homelander desperate to build the idealistic, fake idea of a family he's seen - believing he could, in doing so, gain the happiness and contentment inherent to it - with a woman who he didn't even know was married when they had a fling - All while Becca struggles with the guilt of cheating on her husband because of the allure of power. Then the genuine character interaction of Homelander telling Butcher that he didn't know they were married and she came onto him. A single event facilitating the redemption and repair of a person born in a lab as a test subject while breaking a normal man.

@MirandaSinistra

Ай бұрын

Really wish this had been the direction they took but instead we got...this.

@Lord_Numpty

Ай бұрын

That sounds like a _far_ better premise than the nihilistic, anti-conservative/religion/heroism/decency slog Ennis came up with.

@powerfist1340

Ай бұрын

@@Lord_Numpty It's te entire reason why the 1st season had me somewhat hopeful, i saw they were taking the story in a different direction then the comics and hoped "hey, they could use this to tell an actually interesting story rather then the childish, immature trash Ennis came up with.", but turns out they had a *completely different* form of childish, immature trash in line.

@j.jonahjoestar7924

28 күн бұрын

Let him cook

@garbearfar1394

24 күн бұрын

It’d be even cooler to because butcher could become the villain and tear down homelanders world like he did to his. The cool hero butcher in season 1 could become the villain by the end the show with homelander being redeemed and going from villain to hero. Instead I think the writers just check the news once a week and cut and paste their super hero characters onto real people and send off the script for the actors. They literally use Jan 6 in the finale for S4 bro like how lazy are you??

If it's wrong one way it's wrong both ways. It's not funny. Kripke is a disturbing individual for laugh track rolling about something like that. I like Jack Quaid as an actor, but his character has been reduced to Diary of a Wimpy Hughie because the writers won't give him a chance to grow stronger.

The problem is not that the male sexual assault was comedic. Do it, even if your approach is not funny. The problem is that they decided to add comedic cuts to his screams AND THEN decided to pull off the "oh, males don't like getting raped and we're exploring this now" while Hughie reacts like no man reacts to be sexually assaulted. Utterly insulting to try to pull pull the rug from under our feet with a "actually, this isn't funny, and you should feel bad for thinking it ever was".

I could never get with the cynical nature of the boys franchise in general. The comic is ass, is edgy for edgy sake. The show seem promising, but it seem like the satire was lame as hell when I heard the nazi woman “use memes to pipeline” people; I knew it wasn’t worth a watch. Shows like the boys is why smiling friends stand out🤣this is a adult cartoon that is trying to be cynical

Kripke is well-known for saying that he HATES the Superhero Genre, so it's no surprise he's going to look at all of it in the worst light possible.

@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access

21 күн бұрын

He hates it cos he knows in his heart he’ll never write anything that can truly beat them lol Not cos superhero movies are SO GOOD (they’re not, a lot of them) but just cos he’s a hack

@Wicker_

2 күн бұрын

Likely because the idea of superior people (everyone other than him) upsets him so much.

*Invincible has all the heartlessness of The Boys yet thinks about its characters and plot so much better.*

@revengeofthesith.

Ай бұрын

Are you forgetting Amber exists?

@grandarkfang_1482

Ай бұрын

No, it doesn't.

@oldoutlet6946

Ай бұрын

I think the reason Invincible is far superior to The Boys is because it doesn't stray far from the plotline of the comics while The Boys goes into a completely different direction and suffers for it due to a lot of modern writing taking a nosedive in quality. It's no surprise that the flaws of Invincible (Amber for example) are things that the show changed from the comics.

@Szymnides

Ай бұрын

@@revengeofthesith. atleast they broke up.

@dylanbell268

Ай бұрын

@@revengeofthesith.they toned her down in season 2

"A lot of jokes are funny because there's an element of truth... they're not funny when that's what you think of people." Rags is spot on there. Even the most lazy joke about stereotypes can make me laugh because I know the person telling it doesn't actually believe it. But if they did, I would cringe and endeavor to get away from them as quickly as possible

@johnselden9257

Ай бұрын

So, you don’t think there are typically truths in stereotypes?

@ManCheat2

Ай бұрын

@@johnselden9257 Learn to read bud.

@johnselden9257

Ай бұрын

@@ManCheat2 What did I fail to read? I see the “element of truth” line and then I see the part where if the person “actually believed it, I would cringe and endeavor to get away from them as quickly as possible.” So….what am I missing? Are we talking about the idea that you can believe in the fundamental truth of the stereotype without actually believing, for example, that all Asians are bad drivers? Is that the distinction? Because if so, the comment does not illustrate that and it isn’t my fault for not picking up on any such sentiment.

*I lost interest in The Boys halfway through Season One.* It’s very clear the writers want spectacle with no attention to nuance or understanding. Not worth my time over plenty of decent alternatives.

@h4tch3tt74

Ай бұрын

Its was also left wing garbage from season 1.

@V15.12

18 күн бұрын

Cuz ur boring

Enjoyed season 3 but mainly because of Soldier Boy. Season 4 is just ridiculous. The only reason to still watch is Homelander.

@ShadowRulah

Ай бұрын

Anthony Starr needs a medal and a back brace for what he's done to tey and carry this mess.

@TheFuzzician

Ай бұрын

Butcher actually has somewhat of an interesting thing going on, with his hallucinations and the worm in his head. Let's hope that goes somewhere good.

@ProtoManiac2283

Ай бұрын

I hope they do something good with A-Train but, hoping aside, they're probably gonna kill him off before the season ends

@ErrmNoo

Ай бұрын

@ProtoManiac2283 I think the small scene with the little kid smiling at him and him finally becoming a 'hero" definitely means he's in for a brutal death. He's honestly had a decent arc over the 4 seasons.

@GabesEdtiz

Ай бұрын

@@ShadowRulahFr. His appearance in Gen V only backs up your point. As soon as he appears in that show’s finale it’s made pretty clear his acting was leagues ahead of any of the people we saw on screen up to that point.

They totally messed up thing is that in the comics he was a messed up Batman / Ironman type guy, but he was one of the few supes that wasn't evil. He had a brain tumor that made him uncontrollably have to screw any hole he saw (human, not human, doesn't matter). He eventually dies thinking he saved the world screwing an asteroid while dying on the sidewalk. It was messed up, over the top and kind of funny in a Garth Ennis style way. This.. was not.

Sage is the worst. Her super power is just having a massive chip on her shoulder

@Bruhmin-jw9ie

22 күн бұрын

I'm a smart black woman blah blah blah did you know im black and a woman? Blah blah

So, people weren't expecting this by the second season? Homelander is the only reason why this is even watchable.

Batman was an investor in Arkham. He used his influence to improve conditions for the inmates. In an episode of the animated series, he manipulates Scarecrow, Harley, and the puppet guy (can't remember his name) into testifying against their sadistic warden.

@garbearfar1394

24 күн бұрын

Yeah it’s funny that kripke says he hunts poor people because all I’ve ever known Batman to do is hunt down super villains and throw them into an asylum with the hope of rehabilitation, an asylum he probably bleeds money over because no one else will invest because they think it’s not doing anything with how frequently the villains break out of it 😂

I got a little triggered when they said Batman hunts down poor people. Like bro most of his rouges are psychopaths and murderers lol

@KaosNova2

24 күн бұрын

Victor Zasz, Cornelius Stirk, and a number of other Batman villains murder impoverished people for kicks.

@Wicker_

2 күн бұрын

These people sympathize with psychopaths and murderers. Writers like this are far more similar to them than they are to innocent people, who they despise.

The abortion subplot they forced Annie into this season is disgusting

@ShellshockDM187

Ай бұрын

Agreed along with the pedophilia stuff which in reality is more popular with the left than the right.

Season 1 had one of the producers of Breaking Bad. He left when they insisted on adding culture war stuff.

@The_Punisher

Ай бұрын

Source?

@motor4X4kombat

16 күн бұрын

Speaking of breaking bad the creator of the show said he almost never want to put left and right politics because it dosn't matter the good intentions you have people will make drama not matter what, i think the closest thing of that was when he added neo-nazis in season 5, but even then it dosn't rely on far-right stereotypes like skinheads or klansman they barelly even have a swastika symbols, they are just psycothic assholes beeing psycothic assholes.

7:30 its not just Hollywood, the actual Boys comic is just this. Teenager-tier shock and fart porn.

@AtariDad

Ай бұрын

Yeah, what they do with their version of Professor X in the comics is way worse than this.

There’s a whole documentary on the ‘competitive tickling’ blackmail racket and it’s DARK. What happened to Hughy was probably a producer’s fetish to some extent. But because it happens to a man it’s a joke.

@arturzinurov4781

Ай бұрын

Excuse me a WHAT racket???

@MirandaSinistra

Ай бұрын

I too am deeply confused.

@daviddiggens8841

Ай бұрын

Yes please explain because I am NOT googling that. I feel like I'd end up on a list

@ShadowRulah

Ай бұрын

​@@arturzinurov4781You don't have to look into it. You could just have a good normal life and let this be something you don't understand.

@neocaridinadavidi3134

Ай бұрын

@@ShadowRulah Nahhh we entering the heart of darkness with this one ❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

I stopped after season 1. Tried season 2, got rreeeeaaall hard to watch. Then saw my roommates watch the newest season and my head hurt seeing the cringe "right wing" rally and how everything is full blown not even subtle, artistic, political bias like all movies have already. Then my roommate brought it up later and asked, "Have you been keeping up with the boys?" I said hell no, it's too politically charged and cringe. And even though they are more ok with the themes and beliefs in the show, they told me how cringe it has become and it's just become almost a different show. They had something, but they botched it like the rest because they are crazy for their broken ideology.

@V15.12

18 күн бұрын

Man rhats funny coming from a guy with an american flag as his profile

I will always loathe this faux edgy show

@leecameron9226

Ай бұрын

And I will continue to watch while you cry over the acolyte im sorry star wars sucks but it's because you aren't a child and you hate your life the boys is good you are clearly not a man

When The Boys first dropped in 2019, I immediately wrote it off. I knew what it was. I knew what it was going to continue to be. It was making fun of the mere idea of the superhero. It was deconstructing the genre in a way that wasn’t even remotely intriguing. It was edgy for the sake of being edgy not because it was trying to be unique. It wasn’t interesting. And knowing how modern Hollywood is of course you knew they would go too far with the show’s political leanings. The Boys was ass then and it doesn’t surprise me that it’s still ass now.

@jonashartman3059

Ай бұрын

Well said, sir!

@h4tch3tt74

Ай бұрын

Finally someone else who actually understood the show from season 1.

@Shin_Mothra

Ай бұрын

I initially wrote Invincible off because of that. I was pleasantly surprised to read the comic and see that Mark is pretty much Superman, except he loses a lot. I will never watch The Boys, though.

@JcgLounge

Ай бұрын

@@Shin_Mothra Invincible is good because it isn’t deconstruction. Nor is it making fun of the superhero. It’s simply telling the tale of a young man who realizes his father hides a dark secret. Mark is still a hero, or at least he’s trying to be.

@littlesneets8026

Ай бұрын

@@JcgLounge Invincible is also good because even with parody characters clearly inspired by the titular Marvel and DC archetypes, the characters aren't written to be a snarky deconstruction, and actually tend to have compelling character arcs that in many ways give respect to the original templates they're based on.

I have always hated the idea of "What if a super hero was psychopathic?" Yea it's called a super villain there's fuckloads of them

@vario6492

16 күн бұрын

None of the marvel villains will ever be shown on screen as fucked up as these lot

I know a few people who praised _Cuties_ as a "beautiful, heart-warming movie", so I'm not surprised in the slightest by Kripke's comments about a man getting raped being funny. Also, the pretty apt description of _The Boys_ as a show: "We made our own take on a popular genre by making every character an asshole, BAM! Deconstruction!", reminds me of a Terrible Writing Advice video where he talked about hack writers thinking like this. I thought he was exaggerating for comedic purposes, I didn't imagine a mainstream show would unironically go this route. Deconstructions used to be so much clever and have more substance...

Tbh even since season 1 i found it so odd that they chose the deep to be the unrepentant punching bag, because in the books the deep was not only one of the few characters that survived the series, but was also a black guy, and arguably one of the least villainous supes

The Fallout TV show pretty much copy-paste the Boys formula. Nonsense shock value and pointless gore scenes with jokes everywhere. I'm surprise it took these long to everyone to notice.

@raufm.2135

Ай бұрын

People who have no respect to previous stories or good writing will come to any IP and ruin it be cheering its destruction until they realise what piece of shit they supported

@leecameron9226

Ай бұрын

​@@raufm.2135well im still enjoying it and many others but you enjoy this echo chamber and get offended by almost everything you really don't like it when your point of view is questioned which the boys does brilliantly fragile man child.

Truth be told, original comics went shit when hypocrites protagonists got powers for theselves and the show followed that horrendous plot point. Would have been leagues of justice better if average humans outsmarted arrogant superhumans and corporate overlords. Also, Butcher is the psychopath no better than Homelander that should be put down like a mad dog he is, especially since his wife turned out to be alive.

Maybe I missed something, cos I was only half watching it, but Hughie goes in disguised as web weaver, who it's established has a web hole, which isn't his bum hole, and that Tek Knight has super senses and is super observant? There's even a shot where Hughie walks past the camera and you can see the hole in the costume where the hole would be. And Tek Knight, the super observant pervert obsessed with people's holes doesn't notice? I was expecting him to notice at some point. Did I miss something?

@caseyhart4999

Ай бұрын

That’s a great fucking point.

@MirandaSinistra

Ай бұрын

I actually thought that was how he realized it and he was just letting the dominatrix get off before he confronted Hughie. But no it was that he didn't know his safe word. Not to mention that safe words are typically established beforehand with all parties knowing what it is before they get started.

@bmabhilash01

Ай бұрын

This is satire, stop thinking too much is the clap back you'll get for thinking.

@SeanJacksonTutorials

Ай бұрын

@@bmabhilash01 True. But if the writing gets nonsensical enough that I start to feel gaslit, I have to stop watching. It sucks all the joy out of it.

Abrams, Kurtzman, and Kripke felt like an unholy trinity of talentless hacks and finding out the 3 were friends made total sense.

@andrewdau1299

5 күн бұрын

I'd throw in LIndelof there as well.

They also victim blame Johnny Depp in Gen V, implying that he DARVO'd Amber Heard, when anyone paying attention knows it was the exact opposite.

@6Kubik

24 күн бұрын

They also do this in season 4. The deep lies about his ex wife and says she pooped in his bed. Since he is a liar, they want to assume that Depp is a loar too.

Take a shot every time Rags asks an unnecessary question and tries to turn it into a joke

@dustydesertdisciple6290

Ай бұрын

Rags is definitely my least liked efap member. Mauler and fringy are kool as well as metal when he's on but rags is a poser imo. I've heard him say things to try and make himself sound knowledgeable(like guns for exp) and it obvious he's full of shite. Or he just puppets maulers takes by using slightly different wording. It's good to see someone else take notice on his b's, idk why people like him so much.

@MusicEnjoyerSLS

Ай бұрын

​@@dustydesertdisciple6290 I would gladly pay for an efap channel where all of Rags' words are cut out from the videos

@PepeSilvia01

Ай бұрын

That furry is HORRENDOUS

@happynihilist2573

Ай бұрын

but i like my liver

@grandarkfang_1482

Ай бұрын

Take a shot every time someone complains about Rags.

“Not remembering a safe word is comedy” No it isn’t and I can’t believe he said that. I don’t mean to be graphic but on the site that-shall-not-be-named there’s a video of a couple with an asphyxiation kink and the woman was the one losing oxygen. She ends up panicking and forgets the safe word and starts screaming for help. Husband ignores it thinking it’s a normal response and only realizes she needs help because she wasn’t responding a little too long. She had to be rushed to the hospital. Saying it’s funny someone can be placed on the brink of death for “forgetting a safe word” is so far removed from the reality of kinks that one could consider it a snuff film.

@leecameron9226

Ай бұрын

It is funny cope snowflake

@ymisober272

Ай бұрын

Given the scenario it’s clearly comedy and there’s definitely a shift in tone when Hughies life was actually in danger, the show also acknowledges that hughie did endure trauma and provides him a scene to reflect and vent to starlight

@nani4249

27 күн бұрын

​@ymisober272 I'm sure that eric didn't write that though considering what he said in the interview. The actor who played homelander requested a change of scene while torturing the scientists so maybe someone wanted to add a scene for hughies character

@ymisober272

27 күн бұрын

@@nani4249 Eric’s the show runner I’m pretty sure he’d have to approve the scene at the very least, I’m not familiar w Eric’s comments that gave you a bad perspective of him but I don’t see the relevance when talking about the humor found in this episode The show isn’t making light of sexual assault against men,

@nani4249

27 күн бұрын

@@ymisober272 he literally stated the scene as intended was humous for him, its literally what he said. Starlight sexual assault was treated as a big deal in real life and also in show, he says writing Annie's SA was the most important thing he's done as a writer. But with hughie he says it joke now imagine if he said the deep "forcing" Annie to suck him off was funny for him.

You know you've fucked up when you misinterpret Batman worse than the comic book author who hates superheroes by calling him a fascist.

What made this whole episode worse is Hughie literally lost his father in the previous episode. It was emotional and well executed. A big character moment for Hughie. Then he’s literally getting SA’ed in the next episode. It’s clear the writers don’t care about his character

The irony of the Boys S4 is in their attempts to make people hate homelander, they had him do the most american thing ever. The scene where he kills the guy who put him in the oven as a kid, made most people I know go "man homelander's alright". The writers of this show are so oblivious they didn't realize that homelander offing a guy putting a kid in the oven for "just doing his job" is just what grandpa would have done.

>caters only to the most easily offended professional victim crowd >said victim crowd eventually get offended at your work >pikachu face

It's funny, there's lots of praise for Anthony Starr's Homelander, and rightly so, since he is a great actor. But yet when it comes to season 3, it seems unanimously agreed Jensen Ackles was the only reason to watch. And that's the only reason I watched that season. So what made it so good, that he carried the show I wonder?

@leecameron9226

Ай бұрын

Season 3 was good overall he was just the stand out this is just a dishonest take stan Edgar was also excellent and the boys dynamic was great because they actually had powers and worked well together

@j.jonahjoestar7924

28 күн бұрын

The powers kinda killed the stakes, how cool would it have been to have that same s1 homelander fear aura with soldier boy. Like he can change his mind and kill them anytime.

@leecameron9226

28 күн бұрын

@@j.jonahjoestar7924 what do you mean stakes??????? Bro it removed shitty writing and horrible plot armour which is something I dislike about the show and the story was interesting in season 3

@leecameron9226

28 күн бұрын

@@j.jonahjoestar7924 like In season 4 the plot armour was so annoying similar to season 2

@leecameron9226

28 күн бұрын

@@j.jonahjoestar7924 it was pretty easy to tell they weren't killing anyone important in season 3 they could have that all the stakes will be in season 5 And the show will end and it will make the series hold up if the final season is satisfying

The worst part is that the watchmen did this 50x better and the show runners act like they’re pioneers of postmodern deconstruction

Do they really think the batsuits are made of rubber…?

@Arrestedrabbit

Ай бұрын

The funny George Clooney one looked like it was so obivously all batsuits are in their minds

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Ай бұрын

The Keaton one was rubber

It needs to be said - Homelander is the best, only amazing part of the Boys. He truly is absolutely remarkable as a villain and Antony Starr is beyond talented. That's the reason to watch it. That's it tho

@h4tch3tt74

Ай бұрын

No the only reason to watch any season of the boys is if you're a left wing nutjob.

@randomhuman2595

Ай бұрын

A Trains story is good this season too

Similar to what Suicide Squad did with the Justice League. Or the Jedi in The Acolyte. The far left's cynicism of these characters makes no sense because it isn't based on rationale but resentment. They are programmed to associate white men with evil, whether it's the things they created or the characters themselves, and so it all must be deconstructed or destroyed. That's how you get from "a hero who sacrificed the life he could have had for one of suffering in order to save innocent people from criminals" to "Batman is a fascist that hunts poor people."

What's funny is Bruce Wayne does eventually own Arkham Asylum and becomes head doctor becoming a trained doctor just like his father. It was never for-profit It was always his genuine interest to help people and you can even see that in the animated series when he pays for the treatment of every single villain he fights whenever possible.

I wouldn't be surprised if Invincible season 3 is screwed up by amazon.