(Rob) - First time viewer, thank you for making this video. You nailed everything, from the light properties to the business issues that can happen when you make claims that can’t be backed up (visually or with science). You just can’t call something the softest light ever, when literally anything larger will produce softer light.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@Sharpen we've already talked but I'm honored to have you grace my channel, thank you!

@PhotoMan-ft1xj

Жыл бұрын

Just because silver is larger doesn't mean it produces less specularity either. What Brandon is saying is in order to achieve what the blackdish can do you, you have to go BIGGGGG with your with or your silver. But you still can't run from the specularity. Turn down your power? And compromise light spread, even distribution of light? All of this to try and produce what he is saying and has PROVEN the blackdish can do. Straight out of Camera let's not forget. You think you can produce better images straight out of camera then Brandon, I'd love to see you try. I see all these people talking but none of you can touch his talent or images. That's the crazy part

@JEDINITE30

Жыл бұрын

@@PhotoMan-ft1xj silver is larger? LOL! Everything in this post tells me you know nothing about light. Turning down power doesn't compromise light spread. Photons keep going. Specularity is a direct result of light intensity + the reflectivity of the surface being hit. Even distribution of light is proper diffusion, angles of light, and an understanding of the inverse square law. His photos look the same as they always have, way before the blackdish was invented. BTW, any decent photographer takes great photos straight out of camera; editing is for style and flare. I can't understand why so many feel like taking great photos straight out of camera is such a hard feat to accomplish. A lot of so-called photographers must take some really bad photos straight out of camera smh.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@PhotoMan-ft1xj what you’ve said is wrong on several fronts, but thank you for giving us some of your time to leave your thoughts. Much appreciated.

@robhallphoto

Жыл бұрын

@@PhotoMan-ft1xj your account was created 1 day ago and leaves 6 comments on this video defending the product with the same falsehoods. That’s not sus at all😅🤦‍♂️

Thankyou Anthony for going to trouble of making this video. You were very "diplomatic"! and explained all your points calmly and coherantly. It a free world out there, and if someone wants to come up with something and try and sell it, that's perfectly fine. But want is not fine is imbalance in education and information for beginners, not knowing the fundamentals and being influenced by pure marketing or BS. There is so much of this that happens on YT and FB. Props to you 👏👏

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I don’t heart very many comment but this one earned it! Thanks @Photo.

Just excellent, Anthony. Photography is literally communicating with light. Learning about point sources, transmission, and reflection is key. I think that’s why photo classes used to start with monochrome. It was not only cheaper to buy and process; it taught the use of light without the extra considerations of color, warm vs. cool, etc.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

100% @Jim Worthington, I think gaining an understanding of light without the addition of color and other components is crucial and should be something every photographer does. Of course we know in this internet "I wanna know everything now" era, a lot of up and coming photographers are buying a camera, watching a KZread vid or two, and then proclaiming to be the next best thing to grace the photography world, smh.

I started to watch Brandon's videos some days ago and I was curious about his black dish. KZread just recommended this video and I find it very informative and useful. I really appreciate you taking the time to give your opinion about it based on facts. Greetings form Colombia.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Very much appreciated @Leo Martinez, I very much thank you for watching and commenting.

Great light lesson Anthony, I'm glad you broke it down. I look forward to you doing some testing. Peace👍

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @Rob M, I'm looking forward to it as well because of course I can use knowledge and logic to formulate my opinions but I can't say anything with certainty until I actually have it in hand.

Good talk about the black dish and demonstrating the reflection from a white and black background to show the true resutl. Great video.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @Agnetha LaDuff, I hope you've been well.

@agnethaladuff8559

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife I'm doing good and always enjoy watching your videos!

Excellent explanation, you show how a good knowledge of lighting is crucial. thank you!

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much @Sebastian Bereś! I absolutely believe good knowledge of lighting is crucial - after all, photography is really a matter of light. I appreciate you watching and always supporting my channel.

This is an excellent argument. Facts and scientific process. I’ve been mostly a wildlife and landscape person. Now I’m studying portraits and beauty. This type of information you have given is essential for all photography styles to understand along with the business of photography. I truly appreciate it. Thanks.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for commenting @entrigueall2661, I very much appreciate your perspective. 🙏🏾

Well said. A great, in depth presentation of your points.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @Lonnie George! I definitely put forth a lot of effort into how I deliver my content in my videos.

You know your stuff. I kept nodding my head in approved.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @Douglas S, I greatly appreciate that. I tend to only talk about things I actually know something about. ;-)

Great job breaking down the key points to this particular modifier. When it was announced, I questioned some of what was stated. Ultimately I’ll just have to test it myself and see what I get from that particular modifier when compared to its counterparts. Nice video bro

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Same @TJ_Fox25. One of my homies pre-ordered one and he's going to ship it to me to test it out. I'm definitely skeptical of the true benefit/performance of this thing but of course I need to test it to know for sure. Looking forward to it.

@visionz_n_media

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife I’m looking forward to seeing your testing on it. I know you won’t hold back or sugar coat the truth.

Top educational video on how light works! Can't wait for your final extended review of the Black Dish! 😅

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @wazaraki, I hope to be doing that review real soon!

Great job Anthony, you really nailed the effect a black surface has on light in general. Will be looking forward to you actually doing a comparison review video with the Black Dish .

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @Richard Newland! A good friend of mine has pre-ordered one so a review/comparison video will definitely be coming! I appreciate you watching.

@richardnewland2613

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife thinking about light modifiers in general, I'm wondering if painting one side of the black plate white would help if more output was needed?

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@richardnewland2613 I would say only marginal gains. The walls of the modifier play a bigger factor than the plate, which is more for eliminating the hotspot than it is for increasing output.

@evocati6523

Жыл бұрын

What do you need to compare? It's a scam product that claims to defy physics

I experimented with what Brandon is now selling, and it did not work for me. A light meter will show that black is absorbing more than 90% of the light.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@Jimmy Myers that doesn't surprise me.

Great video and thank you

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @bionome!

Toglife the Science Guy Great video! I was thinking many of the things you covered in this video when I saw the blacksoft box video. Flash battery life cut in half.🥴🥴🥴

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, ayyeee, I might have to use that moniker @Philander Eargle Photography lolol. For someone using a smaller flash like an AD200 or even AD300, I think this modifier may push it to its limits and IMHO that would negate any possible benefit from the modifier. But, time will tell, I will be testing this thing whenever it actually gets shipped out.

@philanderearglephotography1912

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife black absorbs light. It would take a 600 pro to produce any usable amount of light. It's like that black hole effect, it will take a lot of light to escape that black box. I really wanted to see the SOOC shots to get true results. I'll be waiting on your findings.

great breakdown!

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @ Rob!

Excellent lesson on light. Thanks

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @RastaGuy58!

On point discussion about this lighting modifier and light physics in general. Only quibble is that softness is size of light surface relative to size of subject PLUS distance from subject. It's important to include distance in planning/executing soft lighting effect. Also you can have soft light with either high rate of fall off or gradual rate of fall off -- size and distance come into play here as well.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Well technically @Dan Howell, distance changes the relative size and that's what ultimately plays a factor in the softness or lack thereof. And the falloff doesn't really dictate softness, it's more so the transition from highlight to shadow. I can have a light source close to my subject and the falloff would be abrupt, that abrupt falloff would be the case whether it was a small light source producing hard light or a large light source producing soft light. That's inverse square law which is separate from the softness of the light. Again, the transition from the highlight to shadow is really what determines the softness of light, from a perceptional standpoint.

@Marshallchandra

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife large source producing soft light cause abrupt changes? Wouldn't it just dimly lit everything?

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@Marshallchandra dimly lit everything - no - but the shadows would depend on light placement. If you broad light the subject, you wouldn't have much shadow but if you butterfly or split light them, you would still have shadows even with a large light source, the transitions from highlight to shadow would be really, really smooth.

Excellent video. And so on point from a business perspective.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @Somehwere in America Wil Moore (love the name, BTW, lol)

Yo, so you got my sub. Quite literally the thoughts that were running through my head as I watched BC's videos. I'm not knocking him and I been subbed to him for years at this point but there's nothing to argue about when it comes to the science of light. Optics kind of goes against the claims being made. So, I'd have to say I am skeptical as well. Especially without an R&D department to verify these claims. Keep doing you bruh, I appreciate video.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Very much appreciate you @Yujin Beasley, thank you so much for watching, commenting, and subbing!!

Thank you Anthony for this video. It is refreshing to see a photographer that actually know what they are talking about. I lost respect for Brandon Cole a few weeks ago when he post a video where he shot a model late at night and it was flashy. He blamed the flash and not his skills. I said use a smaller modifier or a different modifier like a strip box with a grid. He commented back to me that no one carries extra great with them for a shoot and that a strip box is only used for a hair light. He then told me to go Learn how to use lighting. At that point I realized that he is a KZreadrs and not an educator. I have been a student of this craft for close to 30 years. I have a studio in flagstaff and I have a staff of four photographers that work for me. I grew up in photography before KZread and have been a PPA member for close to 30 years. I love learning and will listen to almost anything almost once. I loved your points about the inner fabric and the size. I have several different sizes in studio, they are just tools that help me to get my work done. I am impressed by what you did. I did not preorder, I hope that this comes in a profoto mount. I would love to attach this to my D2 and put it through its paces. Keep up the good work.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Interesting @karlweb1, I did a photoshoot about a month or so ago and I used a strip as my key light because I wanted full body coverage and an even exposure; of course it worked out exactly as I had planned and was the correct modifier for what I was looking to achieve. The problem with this KZread space is that everyone is an "expert" and if you don't do something exactly as they would do it, you're wrong. It's a shame really. Anyway, I humbly appreciate you taking the time to give me your thoughts and insight. I just followed you on IG.

@karlweb1

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife you are right about the expert thing. A lot of new minds being shaped by people that barely know more than they do. I have used a snoot, 5” reflector, mola Demi, strip Bix 22, 36, 43 assorted umbrellas all for mail lights. When you learn to fish you can eat forever. It’s crazy to see want to be educators with 200 and 400 thousand followers and they have no clue and then there are real educators lol Sal, Kay and Seth with under 10K We live in a different time Thanks for the flow I will go and follow you back. Enjoy

That was a really good and we'll thoughtout breakdown Anthony. Thank you. I'm all for new innovation, but I really don't think this will be all that revolutionary. However, I do look forward to your tests and review after you get it and try it. Because I would love to be proven wrong in this situation. Good video.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Honestly @Brad MacMillan, I want to be proven wrong as well, because I truly want to see everyone win. But having been a photographer for so long and having a pretty good understanding of light, it's hard for me, at a surface level, to see the benefit. But time will tell, a good friend of mine has pre-ordered one so I will be testing this thing out soon. I appreciate you watching and commenting.

Amazing explanations. And also, buy black :)

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @Fel M. and I will always stand by and support black...but sometimes I prefer to be towards the back of the line. ;-)

One little thing, although completely agree with your overall point about white/black vs silver... I wouldn't have compared silver to grey... the reason silver outputs light out of a modifier differently is it's reflective properties, not it's inherent color appearance. When light from a flash bulb is reflected off white interior of modifier, it is being reflected relatively evenly.. whereas off silver, there are variations of reflected intensity across reflective area due to angle changes and material folding etc. This means then overall effective area of reflected light to a particular point is less. A diffusion sheet over front of modifier can then revert this difference between white and silver, because the light that was travelling in straight lines off the reflected silver, is now being scattered.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@Photo I used the gray comparison for simplicity, but those folds actually have a marginal impact on something like a face. A perfectly smooth silver interior will still have more specularity than an equally smooth white interior. Of course what makes silver silver is the metallic tint added to it, and that makes silver much more reflective than gray,but note, bouncing light off of grey will yield more contrast than white, so the metallic properties of silver isn’t the only reason for its specularity. Very much appreciate your comment, I always love a good discussion!

Well said. 👍🏻

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @TheSunnySuttons, I always try to be logical and tactful in my videos, but apparently I'm still a hater to some, oh well. :-)

Hello Anthony,: Looking forward to your testing and review of the Black Beauty dish. In my oppion you can simply spray paint the inside of ANY modifier a flat black and get pretty much the same results for less than 5 dollars.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@Richard Newland I actually thought about doing that just for the heck of it, but I opted not to, to avoid any more blowback (not that I care, but I'm not trying to stir the pot either).

@richardnewland2613

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife I just had a new idea. What if just the white defuser cloth on the front was black ? how would that effect the output of light and if it would work to reduce hot spots on the face. Or would it simply block most of the light from lighting the subject?

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@richardnewland2613 very interesting question! I'm going to see if I can get my hands on some black ripstop nylon (which is a very similar material to diffusion material) and we'll see!

Thanks for the very non-inflammatory and informed take on all of this. Yes people should support an entrepreneur's business, but I think it's also fair to want to help people spend their money wisely with all of the information available to them. Personally, I think this shows he has the support behind him and he should focus on his brand more than this particular product. The Black Dish doesn't just have to be a softbox that eats up several stops of light (there's no way it only loses 1.5 stops when double diffusion fabric does this already).

@bigboi36

Жыл бұрын

All Diffusers diffuse light using less or more power is a given!

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@Justin Haugen he definitely has support and I love to see it. To be frank, I think his marketing is doing him more harm than good. The same way the R5 would have had less hoopla about the 8K and overheating if Canon didn't highlight 8K the way it did, the same is happening here. Sometimes it's best to let the product speak for itself.

Thank you for the excellently explained video! I'm considering getting Manny Ortiz's Beauty Dish since EZ Glow isn't available here in Europe, and the shipping costs are too high. However, I'm unsure whether to get the one with a silver or white interior... Is there a significant difference between them, and what would you recommend?

@AnthonyToglife

21 күн бұрын

If you're going to use diffusion, there's is no discernible difference between white or silver (even though some KZreadrs will swear there is). Even if there was, it would be soooo minimal that for all intent it wouldn't matter. If you're using the modifier without diffusion, there absolutely is a difference! I always go with white because silver can be too specular and I don't particularly go for specularity when I shoot. But, it really comes down to preference.

Great video. Looking forward to you hands on test.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @TyChee! Here's a link to my hands on test, with the Black Dish along side a white and silver Glow EZ Lock 42" beauty dish: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIadlMWRebm5is4.html&lc=UgzFSRtgRwWi5mAIrqJ4AaABAg

Way to take them to class Tog. The basic understanding of light is important to any photographer.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

So important @Infinite One Productions.

First time I`ve seen your channel and video. I searched for «Black Dish Review» cause I couldn`t understand that a black surfaced modifier would be anything but a modifier destroying your strobe output, and wanted to see what reviews would say… I honestly can`t find any positives with a black dish and was surprised when B Cole announced he was working on it. I haven`t tried it though, but it just seems like common sense that it won`t give anything but the need for even stronger strobes. I like B Cole and admire his effort, but I do not think this will be a jackpot. Thanks for a good and informativ video, I ´ve learned a lot myself.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Check out this video @ksphotography730 where I do a hands on test with the Black Dish, along side a white and silver beauty dish. It'll likely answer any lingering questions or thoughts you may have. kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIadlMWRebm5is4.html

All valid points

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Thank you @Isaac Saunders, I appreciate you watching and commenting.

@is92173

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife it's the least I can do for creators that put energy into making free enjoyable content. A like is free, a sub is free, and leaving a comment is free yet they benefit the creators so much.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100%, and that is greatly appreciated!

I was going to address this when I heard about it but tbh I’m glad I didn’t as socially it’s been a mess & I don’t want to hate on someone trying to do something. There’s a lot of products out there and some have been staples forever for a reason. You def took a more diplomatic approach and I wish this didn’t become something personal rather than just addressing the never ending misconceptions and misinformation from this platform that really has no vetting aside from comments after the fact.. I think there’s a lot of things at play here unfortunately but in the end light is a science and a feel. You can’t debate the science (which I think as with most people he misconceived)…the feel that’s up to what you like and are trying to create. So I’m with you on the marketing in that regard. so really he took a risk and he’s trying to sell it. If people end up liking it then cool but to validate what he thinks it’s doing when it’s really not.. I don’t know man.. I will say depending what units this will be mounted on out there in the market I do wonder if having to crank the light so much to compensate for all that absorption will cause over heating issues to some peoples lights. Especially if pushing HSS..and also throwing diffusion in front of of it will throttle the power even more (also makes no sense but that’s another discussion) and also will they start to see flash duration issues from constantly shooting maybe 4 stops up or something. I don’t know. I didn’t try this thing but based on my experience to date, what I know from the science of light and using everything out there. I can’t see this being something for me I wish him luck but he does need to chill and accept that not everyone’s going to be buying into it

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

It definitely did turn into a mess @LastXwitness lol, so yeah, you made the right call. At the end of the day I stand behind everything I’ve said, and this video, which is why it’s still up. I was accused by some of “tearing down another black man” and “not supporting black” but I personally will not arbitrarily support something regardless of who’s behind it. I’ve never been one to just “fall in line” and the reality is, for anyone, if you put out a solid product that is marketed correctly, there’s no person or video that can really discredit it. With KZread it comes with people disagreeing with you or coming at you sideways in the comments, it comes with the turf and my shoulders are broad so I can bear the weight. 😉 I appreciate you commenting big dawg, you’re a beast in this YT community!

@LastXwitness

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife my micro channel is not beast level LOL but thanks 🫀

I think the light output will be reduced drastically, to the point of just some light-spill around the black plate - giving less reflections, but all due to lesser light, and somehow producing a look of a "diffused ring light", don't know how to say better... Would love to see an image of the surface when the flash goes off.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

The thing is @Ronny Keller, the same could be achieved by simply turning down the flash power using a standard modifier. When I do my testing of this joint, I'll definitely provide every test and image the world could possibly want to see. ;-)

Well covered. I spotted the blackdish last night and the first thing I did was check the date... nope it's not April 1st. You can't change the physics and science behind light not matter what name you stick on the side of a product.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Hahahah, "nope it's not April 1st" lolol, that made me laugh out loud for real.

I was watching Brandon’s livestream on IG/FB today and he mentioned he saw your YT test. So I had to come check it out! Interesting…

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Apparently black doesn't absorb light though, so disregard the test in this video, and science. ;-)

@PhotoMan-ft1xj

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's interesting at all. just another black man who can't do what someone else does, trying to diss them for likes and views. I saw Brandon's video and I looked up this one. All I can say is you cant talk trash and try to trash talk someone's work if you are trash. He has obviously been doing this much longer. His work is impeccable. His posing, editing, and use of flash and the way he masters it, is undeniable. Just look at his videos. For someone like this guy to try and trash his product just makes no sense at all. Try going 1 v 1 vs Brandon in an off camera flash, outside, model, posing, editing and all and see what happens. Otherwise I think it's wiser to just sit and be quiet, and work on your own. craft. You can look at someone work and see if they understand lighting and for someone to talk about how to use flash, You are not good at it all from your videos.

Anthony, I've been photographing for 50 years. I started doing portraits in a studio with 2500 Watts of incandescent light. You know your stuff, young man. I would add a bit more explanation to the difference between "soft light" and "diffused light." What you said was correct: The relative size of the light to the subject is what controls the width of the transition between shadow and highlight. I would add the explanation that the reason they get conflated is because a diffusion surface is how we make a small light operate like a large light, so it's common for people to hear "soft light" and "diffusion" in the same context.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you 100% here @Kirk Darling!

Great video. I saw it said I don’t know how this is going work but I’ma buy a black owed beauty dish lol

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Ya know, I fully stand behind anyone buying it to support black, I’m here for it! I also know we can’t support every black business so I’mma sit this one out. 😂

@WTE28

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife what are your main reason you won't support Brandon?

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@WTE28 who says I’m not supporting him?

@WTE28

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife you just said we can't help every black business, then go on to say you going to "sit this one out" Making that comment comes off as your not going to purchase to support him

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@WTE28 when you purchase something from one black business, do you buy something from every other black business offering a similar product or service? Likely not, but that doesn't mean you want those other black businesses to fail, right? Just because I'm choosing to not purchase this product doesn't mean I don't support the person behind it. Further more, support doesn't mean you have to buy their product; if that's the case, there's likely a LOT of black businesses in your area you aren't supporting.

You do you and continue to educate yourself through the scientific method. Nice message. I teach courses specifically about beauty dishes and I educate how to assess beauty dishes. The demo in this video is a great illustration and can be repeated. Do you get the dish and do you have a video about it?

@AnthonyToglife

10 ай бұрын

I do have the dish @bricelangston8634 and I did a live video using it and comparing it to white and silver. kzread.infoZRi2cXIVSZk

I am just like you. I want to Support just need to wait for farther testing of the product. Straight out of camera would have been nice. As I messaged him on the amount of power difference, he stated that I would only loss a 1/3 of light. Grids and lowering you power could do the same. Plus editing. Thanks for the knowledge.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure why he was originally saying 1/3 because in his last couple vids he's stated it's around 1.5 - 2 stops of light loss, which is within the range I would have expected. I'm looking forward to testing this thing though, I may be surprised that it actually performs better than I think it will.

Thanks, I never thought about soft and diffused being different. I remember people saying for softer light you can bring the light closer, I'm now imagining this is because it increases the relative size of the light in relation to the subject right? But then because of inverse square law and it being closer, that means that there will be more specular highlights right? So if you wanted low specularity and high softness you'd need a HUGE light far away? Am I understanding correctly?

@AnthonyToglife

21 күн бұрын

You are correct in that bringing the light closer increases the relative size, which makes the light softer. You are incorrect in that there is more specularity when it's closer. The inverse square law simply means the light falls off faster (i.e. your transition from highlight to shadow). Specularity is something completely different.

Good video. I went back and looked at his launch video again. When the diffusion panel is being put on, angle showed the interior of the box. The interior did not look black at all. It looked more like a dark grey. The shot was outside during the day, so it perhaps was the camera angle. The comparison photograph in that video looks like it was done with a mannequin , not a real person. The only difference between it, and the competitor was contrast. The black dish was more contrasts, but not by much. I hope this product goes on to be successful for him, but from what I see now, it looks like it will just be another modifier in the marketplace.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@weeum1 I noticed the increased contrast as well but I really think it was a result of less light hitting the subject moreso than the modifier creating more contrast. To properly test it he would have need to use a light meter to make sure the relative light output was the same on both subjects. I still stand behind - any properties of the black (or dark grey) interior will be negated pushing it through two white diffusion panels. With diffusion, it will be just another modifier in the marketplace.

U should do a Manny Ortiz beauty dish vs Black Dish

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I’ll keep that in mind next time my hands are on one.

Agreed

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Enough said right there @Michael Chen, lol. Appreciate you watching and commenting.

@mchenfoto

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife There is more than one way to get a smooth look.with a softbox and modifiers I I guess the physics was not worked out! I don’t need to fall into the hype. 40” inch as a ideal size give me a break. The ideal size may depend on what you want the outcome to be.

and the SILVER has a reflective surface. It's not a matte grey... it's a metallic silver. Light is bouncing around more inside a silver modifier than a white modifier because of the metallic quality of the interior. Also... great video. Very factual focused and considerate to the create of this product.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate you commenting, thank you! 💪🏾

It be our own people that nail us to the cross..

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

That is often true @Frankie G TV, but quite frankly I don't have to buy a product from someone simply because they're black, and I'm not nailing them to a cross by choosing to "sit this one out". You are entitled to your feelings on it, I'll maintain mine as well.

@LMoProVisualComm

Жыл бұрын

There's this thing called TRUTH IN ADVERTISING!!! But moreover; if it's functionally and fundamentally flawed that's not the consumers problem... BUILD A BETTER MOUSE TRAP

Thanks for your explanation. If this product turns out to be just another beauty dish on the market just as good as Westcott I am all for it. If it is a step better I am all for it. The all black interior is very interesting!!! I can't wait to test it out for myself. Congrats Brandon Cole for your product. Ppl are always trying to knock others down for trying to come out with a product of there own. Buy Black ⚫️

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@EGcanonian first and foremost I appreciate your comment, thank you for giving me your time. Second, I don't think anyone is trying to knock Cole down. For some reason it seems like if anyone has an opinion that isn't "I'm going to buy it", they're a hater or knocking someone down, and that couldn't be further from the truth. If you understand the properties of light, you should understand the skepticism about a black interior modifier. If I created a square wheel for your car, you would be skeptical that it would be a viable option for you - would you be knocking me down or hating on me for stating that you were skeptical? Of course not, but for some reason with this dish, people are haters for not wanting to buy it. The biggest issue with this dish is Cole's marketing; he's saying it is doing something no other modifier has done or can do, he is magnifying the skepticism by being so grande with his claims (that he has never proven, by the way).

The idea of using black material/black reflector plate only to push that loss of light through a white diffuser panel seems to be counter productive. You may as well just use a black grid. Why kill your batteries trying to get the proper exposure. But I guess if people like/love dark contrast images; oh well ..

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I agree @Iem mobley, for sure. But I'll definitely be testing it out once I get my hands on one (just in case any Cole fans are lurking, I'm not buying it, my homie is and I'll be using his to test) LOLOL.

@PhotoMan-ft1xj

Жыл бұрын

Killing the battery? How long are your photoshoots again? Since you think you have to keep it on full power all day? Have you seen Brandon's videos? Better yet, have you seen the RESULTS from the blackdish? Have you downloaded the raw files from the last like 6 videos he has put out? Have you read the comments from everyone who has the blackdish now? I'm guessing no to all of that? Good job then...

They are selling cut in 1/2 lantern softboxes on aliexpress so i guess weird light mods are a thing now. There is nothing new under the sun. If a black lined modifier did something unique or better or cheaper i'm pretty sure we would have heard about it, or the concept behind it. The beauty dish has been around 80 + years. I'm pretty sure in all that time someone painted a beauty dish black, or cut up a yard of duvatyne and lined a softbox by tucking in under the rods. Course now i'm going to spend the next 30 mins googling this thing and watching vids.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you @cecilsharps. I do believe in innovation, but I also believe that sometimes we want to create a solution to a problem so bad that we may get lost in the details of what we're doing without realizing the "problem" isn't much of a problem to begin with.

I saw BC's new video with his tests. They proved absolutely nothing. In his first test with silver, white, and black dishes, he kept the strobe the same power for all of them and his black dish was more underexposed as expected. The next test was the strobe power being adjusted so that all the modifiers had the same intensity and they all had the same soft shadows and specularity in the highlights on the mannequin as expected. His blackdish was actually a little brighter in the highlights compared to the others, but that could just be slight differences in distance. They all looked the same. I downloaded the sample files to take a closer peep. I zoomed in to do side by side comparisons, closely looking at the transitions in the shadows. All the same. The only real difference I saw was that the blackdish had a slight magenta tint to it on the mannequin's face. That is more than likely due to a slight pigmentation in manufacturing of the material, because not every manufacturer has a particular standard that is strictly adhered to. Small tweaks to the temp and tint sliders in Lr can do the same thing (I tested it out on the raw sample files). So the reality is that it does the same thing that any other beauty dish or softbox can do except the blackdish eats up more of your strobe power.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I agree @Whosthemaster shonuff. His fans have been coming at me hard the past couple of days but I would say the same thing to them that I've said to Cole directly - I'm skeptical. I too looked at the RAW files and I saw no discernible differences aside from tinting (WB and tint as you mentioned). The shadows and highlights were the same. If the test had been done on an actual person, I think the specularity and shadow transitions would also be the same. But, apparently I'm a hater because I have a logical opinion without actually having the dish. Oh well. :-)

@JEDINITE30

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife People in the era have a weird way of thinking. They don't understand that you don't have to have a piece of equipment to understand the physics involved and know if it does what is claimed. They have a student/teacher mindset. Any other person with knowledge is considered a disruption to the class. A lot of photographers gain some knowledge, shoot for some time, and think they know it all. They know the "what" but never learn the "why." Their followers are mostly newbies and believe anything they hear. And if anything challenges what their savior is saying it is considered "hating" instead of constructive criticism. The blackdish is an example of the placebo effect in my opinion. But if people want to buy it then that's on them. I'm not trying to knock BC or tear him down and I hope he is successful with his product, it is just that his true colors are beginning to show. His knowledge, capabilities, and his attitude. He's even hiding comments on his posts of people that will potentially compromise his product with the truth. I have a friend that told me they made a comment and I can't see it on my end lol. If he can get enough people to buy it and make a lot of money from it then he is brilliant. More power to him.

@DavidGriffin

Жыл бұрын

The problem is when information seekers become cult members. They believe anything. After 20 years shooting... All I could say is lol. Moe power to him. I know it's bad... But damn if photographers use black to reduce light how tf you gonna convince me to use it to add light. I have up right there and laughed. I hope he sell two in each size to every idiot. They'll realize what happened to them when they have to buy a flash 2 stops stronger to get the same amount of light at a given distance. 😂

@JEDINITE30

Жыл бұрын

​@@DavidGriffin Right! And recycle times, the overall life of their strobe, overpowering the sun, etc. Those that are new to flash that have nothing but a speed-light or 100 watt strobe to work with and buy this as their first modifier will be in for a big surprise. Like you said, they'll realize they need to buy a higher power strobe when those distances come in to play or get another modifier that is more efficient at pushing light. We all know a little loss of anything in photography goes a long way.

@bigboi36

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidGriffin He just getting started. More Products to come. I'll pick you up a shirt. What size you need...A smedium? I'm on it!

Best description of light properties that I have heard. You did a great job!

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@Thomas Wright I wanted to really break it down in this video, I appreciate you confirming that I had at least a little success in doing so. 🙏🏾

And with one video...you took down a whole company 😅. Kidding

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, that’s funny @Tony Captures. I always say, life is a buffet, we each get to pick and choose what we eat!

@LMoProVisualComm

Жыл бұрын

Do I need the Black Dish: um, no🤷🏾‍♂️

I might plastidip my beauty dish and try it. If I don’t like it at least it will peel off.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Yooooo, I haven't used Plastidip in at least 5 years, forgot all about good ole Plastidip @Huffoto! That is a great idea, my wheels are spinning lolol.

@Huffoto

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife Doing a before and after shoot changing from silver to white to black with the same dish would be very interesting.

Hmmm BC challenging the narrative is something we have to be very open minded about all valid points and we're waiting to see what happens

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

What narrative are you referring to @Jason Medas? Serious question.

yeah the marketing and hype is way over the top and instantly makes me skeptical. Add in the fact that he is so quick to basically tell people they are stupid and don't know anything about light or not as experienced as him in comments on his youtube again pushes me away from interest. And lastly deflecting when being asked about power suck of the product. Not to mention the price.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I can't disagree with anything you've said @Scott Dietz. Sometimes the best thing you can do when marketing a product is to talk less and allow the product to market itself. The more you talk, the more targets you place on your back.

Only size matters ???😉 The distribution of light directions also matters. For example , when you put a honeycomb in the front of a reflector, the size is not changed but the quality of light is. Anyway, grab one of these and test it ! My guess is that it will drastically reduce the power of your light but only real life test will tell.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@Benoit TISSIER 😂 I think that’s the main thing I want to test - light output reduction. I may be very pleasantly surprised to find it is marginal, we will see. A good friend of mine ordered one, so I’ll definitely be testing it.

@bigboi36

Жыл бұрын

yup black will eat the light but will it give the results Im looking for? If it does then I'm Gucci! Simple.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@bigboi36 I had a response but I deleted it because I realized this is a different comment from the several others you’ve commented on. I do sincerely hope you’re more jovial and positive in your personal life than you are in these comments. You like the Black Dish, I don’t, move on good sir. 😉

I preorderd the modifier solely on the fact that it was a black owned product. Didn't really see any straight out of camera images or comparison images but bought it anyway. Haven't had time to fully put it to it's paces but seen BC post a video showing a quick look at what the images Sooc look like so I complimented him on doing so and buddy went off on me! I didn't know there was this much controversy surrounding the thing

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@silverdoggg I don’t know what it’s like these days outside of my channel but I know it was a firestorm over here for a solid month after I dropped this video, lol. Sometimes people can be way too defensive, unnecessarily, and it’s never a good look. Criticism, critique, suggestions, it all comes with the turf of being in this space, you don’t have to like it but IMHO it’s too much energy to attack every single person that leaves it. But to each their own, I stay in my own lane and out the way. 🙂

thanks. Overall, it is just basic, even simple physics. On the other side, beauty dishes are next to reflectors most photographers have no real clue how to use. I cannot count how many times I saw an outdoor shoot and the photographer or assistant is pointing the reflector from below… BD have a very distinct look-to achieve this BD look you really have to be really pedantic, a BD is a super static tool. It is impossible to use it with a lot of ambient light. You have to aim the shadow of the center disc in the center of the face. impossible outdoors. you need bright modelling light. otherwise the effect changes to a simple bigger round reflector. Diffusion on a BD also kills the effect-then it is just a round softbox. and because you absolutly need the center disc shadow in the center of the face and the light wraps around - your model cannot move much. try it in a studio, see the difference. … and even worse, it is also important where the flash bulb sits. a lot of cheap BD are just decoration and don't work at all - unfortunately most of the budget ones for bowens mount are totally useless. best ones are the 70cm softlighters from elinchrom. super annyoing to use bc of the elinchrome mount. but they are so huge that they are even working with 3/4 portraits . If you want bigger there are some behemoth ones from mola.

@bigboi36

Жыл бұрын

THIS IS THE BEST RESPONSE YET! Thank You sir, what you have stated is controlled light. Very controlled.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I agree @Taste of Taboo, most BD's aren't used the way BD's were intended to be used, and especially once you're pushing the light through two layers of diffusion, it becomes more just a name than actual function. On the flip side, I also think a modifier can be used outside of its intention and still produce pleasing, flattering light. At the end of the day it's all in the hands of the photographer.

@TasteofTaboo

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife true. I'm also using a collapsable bd, really the same like the black dish but with silver, because it is not so deep and usable in tighter spaces as a nice soft box. Jinbei seams to do all the OEM stuff. Super cheap if you get them from them. Btw with all these cheaper non flash manufacturer light mondifiers we miss some nice tools / options like really good grids in different angles and options in diffusion Material - like 1/3, 2/3, .full diffusion. With a 1/3 diffusion light mondifiera can keep their look and just tone down some edge. On the other hand these stuff was ultra expensive... But somehow nice. As example paying 1k just for an grid was normal...

@kirkdarling4120

Жыл бұрын

@Taste of Taboo "You have to aim the shadow of the center disc in the center of the face." BAM! There's someone who knows what a beauty dish is! Hardly anyone these days even recognize that a properly designed beauty dish casts an internal shadow ("umbra") that's to be used to slightly reduce exposure of the surfaces closest to the light (generally, forehead, nose, cheeks).

Have you tested the Black Dish?

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I have @stevenhebron816 - kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIadlMWRebm5is4.html

What Brandon was saying was that he understands the whole science of black absorbing light but that flash is 2 to 3 times more powerful than continuous light. He may have a point there. It's also a warmer light. He also said you lose about 1.5 stops of light. It would be pointless to use a continuous light through his Black Dish. I completely agree with you on what makes light soft (and the whole bit on diffusion). Definitely not the color. I do think it might produce more contrast and that's what I really want the dish for, and to see if the highlights are really at least a little less specular.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Here's the thing @Jason Bodden, that demonstration in my video was to illustrate why people had questions/doubts about a black interior, it was never meant to say light wouldn't/couldn't reflect off of black - I even stated in that bit that if I could turn my light up more I could get light to reflect through the bottle, but that was people's concern - how much light was being lost. Cole wasn't initially talking about the light output loss and in his responses to comments he was originally saying "1/3 the light". This notion that continuous light and flash are drastically different in terms of what I was illustrating is completely wrong; light is light. I could perform the same exact thing with an AD400 and there would still be significantly more light reflecting off of white over black. I'm still very skeptical over his dish being different than a white interior, especially going through diffusion, but I'm very much looking forward to testing it out.

@jasonbodden8816

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife Hey, I get you 100%, man. I'm definitely with you on pretty much everything you said. Yeah, I just think the only real difference MIGHT be contrast. Might. We'll both see soon enough. Now, flash is stronger than continuous light so to that end flash would probably have an easier time of the black. But the technical result will be the same amount of light loss regardless of the type of light I agree. Ordered mine and you can bet I'll be doing thorough testing. My thinking is that it may be ever so slightly different than white but I'll put it to the test for sure. Great channel, bud.

@motherless1000

Жыл бұрын

For the players with extra diamonds in their gold chains. Bringing my 2400 watt strobe and deep black dish to flex baby! I know I could do it with a speedlight and white beauty dish and get the same results but I want to look like the pimp I am. Image is everything 😊

@Photomeike

Жыл бұрын

@@motherless1000 🤣🤣🤣

@bigboi36

Жыл бұрын

@@motherless1000 Kick in da door...(Biggie Smalls voice)

The issue here is social media and it’s egalitarian foundation. Social media doesn’t work if people are allowed to be critical of other people. In real life we don’t have control over where we physically are, or who is around us. How we express our views around others is restricted. On the internet we can always be where we want and we have control over who we communicate with. This has lead to the egalitarian rules of social media - critical comments are not well accepted here. I could market the worst product ever, and I would expect to be defended by a part of the social media community. Here’s the thing: we are rats in an experiment, the reward we are looking for is the feeling of being intelligent. That’s what it comes down to, we all just want to feel smarter or have more likes. Social media thrives on that. I have posted one of the worst images and got over 1000 likes - nobody is being critical. I call this a comfort zone. A teaching environment MUST be critical. Learning means separating good information from bad information. That can’t happen when the bad information is protected by the rules of the comfort zone. This video, and the surrounding argument has convinced me not to make videos.

@AnthonyToglife

6 ай бұрын

I appreciate your perspective, thank you! 🙏🏾

When I saw Brandon Cole's video for his Black Dish I was not sure if it would work. I was going to buy one to support him and to try it for myself but it was to expensive. I decided to wait for a third party to test it for the market. There are lots of good you tubers out there who do a very good job of testing products. It won't be long before we see actual test of the Black Dish. I am very disappointed in you. You are the crab in the bucket grabbing Brandon's feet to keep him from climbing out the bucket. You didn't even acquire a Black Dish to test it yourself before making your video. You had nothing positive to say about the Black Dish. You didn't say how easy or hard it was to setup, what material was used to make it, how well or how badly it was constructed, was the price margin good or bad. You didn't even praise your brother for acquiring the funds to produce and market a product like that. His product may be a scam, a lack of lighting knowledge on his part or yours, or it may prove to be a good usable product. We will know shortly. Brandon is your brother. You should have given him the benefit of the doubt and at lease tested his product before making the video. We have enough of the other people keeping us down without us doing it to each other just for a few ratings. One more question. What successful product did you market that makes you qualified to give marketing advice? The Black Dish may or may not prove to be something special, we all will see. I watch lots of photography videos. Mainly made by Us. This is the first one I have ever commented on. I was very disappointed with you. You are doing a great job with your videos don't tarnish your reputation just to get more ratings.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I’m curious @Carl Morris, did you actually watch my video?

@jasonbodden8816

Жыл бұрын

@Carl Morris You clearly did NOT watch this video. Anthony STARTED OUT THE MF VIDEO by stating he’s supporting Brandon regardless of what he thinks or is saying in the video. You typed a huge rant on the very thing Anthony stated MULTIPLE TIMES that he wasn’t trying to do, which is pull Brandon down. Anthony stressed this at the beginning and even more at the end. He’s not trying to be negative, just realistic. He was very right on a lot of things and quite logical on the rest of his musings. It has zero to do with being negative. Don’t make the man out to be an a**hole. So sit the f**k down and stay at the back of the class. Facts and logic don’t care about your feelings.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonbodden8816 ayeee, I appreciate you my man! I literally made a point to word and craft my video in a way to where I was very clear, but I guess some folks just look at a title or listen to hear-say and come full blast in the comments. Comes with the territory lol.

@p.t.ngwolo1003

Жыл бұрын

I think you should test the dish for the sake of the appearance that you are tearing down your brother without testing his product.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@p.t.ngwolo1003 please elaborate on how I’m tearing him down…

Has anyone used the BlackDish yet? I thinkj Brandon Cole is on to something.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@David Shepherd I know a couple of people who have used one and they like the results. I have not seen a comparison video yet though to see if the results they're getting are the same or similar to that of a white dish.

@PhotoMan-ft1xj

Жыл бұрын

I saw on his IG many people have it right now and have had nothing but good things to say about it. All of them. I think this guy really just needed views and likes. I mean he's trying to go after a lion in this industry. Someone who's been doing it and mastering flash much much longer than him. All you have to do is look at his work. I am going to order one myself. Like Brandon stated in his video, it is a tool and it definitely is less editing with less specularity, that's a fact. But people like Anthony, he won't buy it, he won't support another black creator. he will sit back and talk with his 4k followers and keep practicing his OCF.

@jasonbodden8816

Жыл бұрын

@@PhotoMan-ft1xj You're making this about race and not scientific fact. A black surface will NOT make your light softer, just make you increase your flash power to get more bounce out of it as black largely absorbs and has little actual reflecting capability (but like Anthony says, you push enough light into a black surface you'll get some light reflected back but the increase in power to do so isn't necessarily a good thing). It's not that @Anthony Toglife - you do realize that Anthony is *BLACK*, right? - doesn't want to support another content creator. He just doesn't want to throw money behind something he believes most likely won't benefit him. It doesn't matter what ethnicity the content creator is. And guess what? NEWSFLASH - that's *HIS* choice. People like you are quick to spew foolish, inaccurate accusations about people just to support the dumb ass narrative you default to. At least Anthony thinks for himself instead of being a blind fanboy just because Cole happens to be a fellow black content creator/photographer. Nobody is hating on Brandon Cole, just calling out scientific inaccuracies in his marketing. But Voltaire once said, "It is difficult to free fools of the chains that they revere" so you have fun swimming in your ignorance.

Where is the product to review your thoughts …whatever this video is.. get the product 1st …then start the comparison and whatever the subject your explain

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I'm not quite following what you're saying @Mark Tatham, but this video isn't a review of the product, it's talking about light and the impact that white, silver, and black have on it. Once I have the modifier in hand, I'll thoroughly test it.

man in all honestly I thought the " black Dish " was a Parody or something , WTF is a 200+$ black non reflective modifier gonna do to a photo??

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

If it were released on April 1st, I may have thought the same @Antitesis. Time will tell, I believe they are starting to ship now so we should start seeing some videos popping up about it.

😂Every manufacturer - Profoto, Broncolor, Godox, Aputure, Westcott; or product spokesman; is gonna say, "THIS CHANGES THE GAME!! FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, YADDA YADDA YADDA.." That's the nature of You Tube photography hustling. Brandon would've been better off reminding people about the "Plume Chimney", or Profoto's Hardbox, and comparing this collapsible softbox-beauty dish to that, as an attempt at combining a blackbox point-source with a collapsible beauty dish, to get a light source that essentially flags itself.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate your insight, thank you!

Your explanation of the silver reflection does not sound correct. Silver reflective surfaces in photography are never smooth so we can essentially consider them to be made up of a bunch of small mirrors where light is reflected in all directions. The reflected light will sometimes combine when it hits the surface being photographed creating the specular highlights. All highly reflective surfaces when they are creased will behave in this same manner, both silver and gold, only due to the direction of the reflected light.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

You are partially correct but also partially incorrect @Ronald Walcott. The creases/folds do impact the light in that they change the direction of light, but even a completely smooth silver surface will be more specular than an equally smooth white surface. Don't believe me, try it for yourself. And the specularity isn't solely caused by the creases/folds; this can also be easily tested and proven. Those creases/folds definitely play a factor, but they are not the sole factor, the impact they have really depend on the size of the modifier. Larger modifiers will see less of an impact from those creases/folds. Silver contains metallic tinting to making it silver, and that metallic tinting is much more reflective than white - this is the main basis of the increased specularity, but as I also mentioned in the video, specularity has more to do with the surface being hit than the surface casting the light.

@ronaldwalcott5090

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife You have misunderstood what I said. The creases create the illusion of a multiple mirrored effect. Look at how light is reflected from a mirror ball. Secondly, I never said that white will create a specular affect. The material used for silver and gold is obviously more reflective so there is no need to mention it. Light reflecting off white will always produce a more even light while silver and gold can produce reflective points of varying intensity based on the angle of reflection.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldwalcott5090 what I understood from your original comment is that you said the light is more specular due to the creases, my response is saying that isn't entirely true. Help me fill in the blank if I missed something...

Scientifically, it’s going to fail but only God can make foolish things succeed. Let’s hope and pray for the best.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

This comment made me laugh pretty hard 😂😂😂 but I legitimately want to see him so hoping for the best @Amaury Santos!

@asjesus1

Жыл бұрын

The design is going to drain batteries drastically. The only ones really winning will be the portable power makers; that’s if the black dish succeeds

@LMoProVisualComm

Жыл бұрын

That science part 😆😆😆

@asjesus1

Жыл бұрын

@@LMoProVisualComm ey Im a neard with humor man 😆

@BijanStewart

Жыл бұрын

@@asjesus1 He did say in his video you still have to know the right situation to use the modifier in. I don't think it would be wise to use it in situations where you have to over power the sun, but there could be a use for it in other scenarios. But it's probably best we all wait until a few get the product and can provide independent testing vs bringing down the product because it's unconventional.

Wow, I just watched the video introducing the new beauty dish and I can't help laughing. First off, white reflects, black absorbs, so all it's doing is killing light output, which was obvious by the underexposed look of the sample images. The mannequin image example showed the black beauty dish darkened everything to the point of darkening the eyes (so beautiful blue eyes would be hardly recognisable as blue) while blocking up shadows (there was plenty of hair detail in the shadows of the white beauty dish, and it was almost solid black in places with the black beauty dish). Funniest of all was the images of a model where there was a completely burnt out area (like a specular highlight) the full length of her thigh. I'd say the black beauty dish is killing the images, not enhancing them. You'd definitely have to increase power on your flash and still get a contrasty image with very little shadow detail. The look is certainly different, but not in a good way. I can't help wondering if this new light modifier was designed for the wrong reasons.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

That's a very interesting perspective @cooloox, certainly something I didn't think of or immediately notice. I know the dish has shipped so we should start to see some content soon. I appreciate you watching and commenting!

Here is my thing and @sharpen. I understand this but when you look at Brandon Cole's work vs your work or anyone else here making these comments, his work is head over heels better than any of you. So this man obviously knows lighting BETTER than any of you. So here is what I propose to anyone. Take your modifier and your skills do and a 1 v 1 vs BCOLE and his OCF, POSING and editing skills and see what happens. It's easy to talk about someone but the funny thing is none of you would DARE go against him. His work is incredible. I just don't see how someone with no work or credibility can talk about someone whose work is incredible. That is the definition of a critic and a hater. Basically. I wouldn't dare talk about someone I was no where NEAR as good as just saying. He has been posting and killing it. This is for nothing but views, not education. It's always your own people hating and trying to keep you down. Because again, you would NEVER step to him in a 1 v 1.

@JEDINITE30

Жыл бұрын

He shoots a lot of gorgeous models and they make the pictures more than anything. Anybody with average skill that takes pictures of beautiful models are going to have nice images. Look at his family photos on his website, average. Taking photos of regular people is a true representation of skill. I bet know body minds stepping to him ( I definitely don't mind all. It's not about me. It's about him). He has some skill and he is not a bad photogher at all, but a lot of people can out-shoot him. The only thing is that his credibility will be on the line and if he loses then he's done. I don't think he'll take that risk if he's smart.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

It really isn’t this serious @Photo Man, but I appreciate you taking the time to give your thoughts. I would go toe to toe with Cole any day of the week, I have zero fear, but I see no need to prove myself to anyone, so this would be a moot conversation to have. I am curious though, did you buy a Black Dish?

@PhotoMan-ft1xj

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife I follow alotof creators and just recently made my KZread to learn more about off camera flash. I was told to follow B. Cole as he is one of the few on KZread on location doing work daily. That's why I follow him, Francisco and others. I have trouble controlling light and see the Blackdish as great option. I am purchasing mine next week as they should be in according to Cole IG. Did you buy or just talking

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@PhotoMan-ft1xj 👍🏾

Maybe cause I’m half sleep but all I heard was white vs black and thought this was a political statement.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Lolol I can see that @IMDABROWN

White,Black,Silver all changes the intensity of light. I dont think the Black Dish was MADE to reflect light so the testing of the sanitizer bottle was null and void. It was MADE so that the light intensity is not intensed. 15yrs ago people was in hoopla over silver lined light modifiers because it gave you almost a stop more of light although we all know white gave a softer light. The topic at hand should be the DIFFUSED characteristics of the light as this is what matters and not whats being reflected.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

And the point of that demonstration @My Own Thinking Cap was to illustrate why people were skeptical/questioning the black interior, which I mentioned in the video. ;-) But to your point, if the modifier didn't reflect any light, the modifier would be null and void, so reflectivity is still important.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Side note @My Own Thinking Cap, my recollection may be a bit fuzzy but I believe some of the earliest softboxes were silver lined; I'm not so sure there was any hoopla over silver lined softboxes in 2007...

@ThatManDWill

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife in your testing you had the light pointed at the background instead of the bottle. Thats not what the BLACK DISH was created for to be used as a background light. Another thing if you take a light meter and set the power using the same settings using a white and silver modifier, are you going to get different lighting exposures?

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@ThatManDWill the point of the illustration was merely to show that black was less reflective, which was to illustrate people's concern that if black was less reflective, the light output out of a modifier would be dimensioned, because at the time of my video publishing there was no mention of the amount of light output loss. Why are you so hung up on my illustration intending to show how the Black Dish would function, which I never once said that was the intent and I made clear in my initial response?

@ThatManDWill

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife silver lined modifiers has always been around but back then in thing was to use a white diffused modifier because it gave a softer light. There was one company that claimed their silver lined modifiers gave out more power than its competitors. At the end of the day how can one critique something that they haven't even gotten their hands on. On the outside looking in it looks like hate and on that note be great black man be great !!!

There’s really no logic behind it. It’s literally just making your strobe equipment less effective. You can achieve the same thing by turning your power down and feathering your light. There’s no benefit to making it more difficult. As a fellow black creator it is wild that other black people are trying to play the “it be your own” card and discredit your voice as some sort of pseudo-support for a product that simply can’t work as described.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I have to say @Glass Avenue Photography, I have been disappointed by the race cards being played. It would be one thing if I made a video bashing the dish without any sound reasoning or logic, but not only did I not bash the dish, this video was about light, not the dish. But it comes with the territory of being a KZreadr, lol. I'm on multiple records saying I'm skeptical about this dish, and I'll stand behind that every day of the week, haha.

@bigboi36

Жыл бұрын

No logic? You realize ALL modifiers diffuse light right? Some more than others. What makes the Blackdish any different?

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@bigboi36 what makes it different? Well, it’s being marketed as doing something no other modifier on the market can do, and your comment emphasizes the point of there being minimal logic behind it.

@bigboi36

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife Again You can say the same about nearly every light bending modifier out there . Controlled lighting with everything you use. Many are scared of using ambient light in their photos where they try to kill it at all cost simply because they do NOT no how to control it. Ambient light is your friend :)

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@bigboi36 please point me to the last modifier before the Black Dish that was marketed as being revolutionary and able to do things that no other modifier can do. I don’t think anyone is saying the dish can’t serve as a modifier, people just don’t see this revolution that’s being marketed.

It is a scam hes working on the premise that you are not suppise to upset anyone by being negative. This presenter was struggling not to say it is bollocks! He did very well keeping his views on the right side of sanity. 😅

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

If there's one thing I can say about this KZread space, you will ALWAYS have people who agree with you and people who don't, we have to take the good with the bad, comes with the territory, lol. Thanks for commenting.

You need to buy the soft box before you can say anything until then I think you should keep quite

@bigboi36

Жыл бұрын

The speculation is incredible. Brandon has been totally open about his workflow. His work speaks for itself and there are many testimonials out there. There are So many light modifiers out there and over the last 20 years of event, concert, corporate and weddings I've tried nearly all of them. All of them worked and some definitely better than others.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Interesting @Oneil Russell, I didn’t realize I needed to have a softbox in my possession to talk about the properties of light, but carry on telling me what I need to do on my channel.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I had to comment @Robert Daniels, you sure did waste a lot of time replying on multiple comments 😂😂😂 are you on Cole’s payroll?!

@bigboi36

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife I'm Gonna buy it I LOVE NEW ..Ish

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@@bigboi36 I mean, all of this would be for nothing if you didn’t so I would hope you were gonna buy it. 😂

It's always your own people

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

@Shot By Shan elaborate…

@shotbyshan77

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife Just from reading your tone in the comments. You say you don’t want him to fail but you do a lot of “lol” and even make a point to mention that although you plan to test the beauty dish, you made sure to make it clear that you will not be buying it but using the dish that the homie will buy. You are being real condescending and sounding like a hater. If you “support homie”, you could still not buy it but also just STFU and make a video about something else instead of “intelligently” low key bashing his product. So no, you don’t support him so why even act like you do. It’s like when dudes start a sentence with “I am not a hater” but then start hating. So again, it’s always your own people…. If you supported him you would buy it and test it and make an informed commentary about the product. If you think it’s so bad, why would you even want to borrow one to test? SMH you are a smart guy and know exactly what you are doing.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Well, transparency is key @Shot By Shan. If I'm testing it but not buying it, that's important to note, the same way us KZreadrs mention when a product was provided to us for free for testing. Supporting someone doesn't mean buying their product; if I create a square wheel for cars, are you going to buy it to support? Doubtful, because no matter what I claim, you'd be very skeptical that it would be a sensible product to buy. If you actually watched the video, you would clearly know that I didn't speak much about the actual product, I spoke to the properties of light. But it's clear that some people are insistent on making this video more than what it is, and that's fine, you're free to your own opinion. If, however, you don't like my videos, instead of telling me to STFU, here's a better suggestion: don't watch my videos. You have that choice.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

Oh, to answer your question @Shot By Shan on why I want to test it, that's simple, just because I don't believe the product will live up to the hype he has claimed, I still can't say that definitely until I test it. Now, if this product is tested and it's proven to not live up to his hype, will you come back and apologize or will you find another way to bash me?

@ChillWill1238

Жыл бұрын

I just wanted a livestream with three photographers who touched on the Black Dish. They wanted to see how it works. Based on well known principles of light and photography, it seems counterintuitive that a black interior soft box would have any benefit beyond what’s already available. I applaud the entrepreneurial spirit of any Black person, but they should not expect to be supported just because of that. Success or failure will depend on how well their product or service compares to others. Period. If the exaggerated claims for this product cannot be proven, Brandon will have to accept the criticism and consider this a lesson learned.

Good lord the lack of lighting knowledge. Possibly the dumbest product idea I have seen. Making the interior of the beauty dish black does nothing to make the light "softer". "softness" is primarily determined by the relative size of the modifier to the subject. As soon as you put a layer of diffusion over the dish, THAT is what is illuminating your subject. The light from the bulb is hitting the diffusion and scattering, turning the entire surface area of the diffusion into your light source. It is literally the same concept as using a scrim. You take a light, put it behind the scrim, and now the entire scrim becomes your light source. What does this ultimately mean? It means that it doesn't really matter how you light up the diffusion. Whether its a white, silver, or black interior. At the end of the day, the diffusion is your light source, and the only thing that matters is how big that diffusion is. The different interiors will just be more or less effective at bouncing light. That is all. Silver is the most efficient. Black would be very inefficient. Meaning you will have to run your lights at a higher power to light up the diffusion at an equal illumination to the white or silver. But there is also one other problem with the black interior. Because the white and silver interiors REFLECT light, the will light up the diffusion more evenly giving you a more even surface illumination. The black interior isn't bouncing any light, so your entire light source illuminating the diffusion is concentrated at the bulb, meaning you have a hot spot in the center. The middle of your diffusion will be very bright and will feather off to the edges in brightness. This creates an uneven light source and also marginally less "soft" light due to that uneven illumination. So, you might be wondering what if you don't use a diffusion? Good question. If you don't use a layer of diffusion on the black dish, its essentially the same thing as running an open bulb. You have no surfaces to reflect from, so the ONLY thing lighting up your subject is the bulb. You may as well not have anything on the light. The only benefit you would have is controlling spill, but there are a million cheaper and better ways to do that. Barn doors, cinefoil, v-flats, etc. And you know what the absolute dumbest part of all this is? The deflector plate. The whole point of a beauty dish is to use the REFLECTION from the side walls to light up your subject. If you have a black interior, you can't use the side walls for lighting. So the only thing doing any of the lighting is the bulb. By putting a deflector plate in front of it, you are blocking the ONLY source of light. The sides can't do anything. And the WHOLE point of a beauty dish is for the reflector to bounce light into the side walls and the side walls light up your subject with collimated light. It is what gives a beauty dish its unique look. It is literally what makes a beauty dish work. So bottom line, there is no good way to use this modifier. If you run it with diffusion, you basically just have a softbox that is very inefficient and you have to crank the power on your strobe. If you run it without a deflector plate you are effectively using a bare bulb. And using the deflector plate just makes both the other options even worse. I am at a total disbelief at how utterly pointless and stupid this is. There is no way to use this product in an effective way. Not a single way. It is a waste of money and I really really hope nobody buys this garbage product because of some "hype". Take a moment to ACTUALLY understand lighting. And shame on the person who "invented" this as they lack so much fundamental understanding and are conning people into buying a dumb product.

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

You definitely made some good and very valid points here @pewp pewp. I think it's safe to say we all have choices and whatever choice is made, there's no right or wrong, there's only what works for you. I'm team Glow EZ Lock all day every day, lol.

First of all you don't have the dish. Buy the dish

@AnthonyToglife

10 ай бұрын

Actually I do have it, but carry on.

What an incredible scam this thing is

@AnthonyToglife

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate your thoughts @ritrattoaziendale!