The Black Dinner - Scottish History - Extra History
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The Black Dinner is a dark side of history that starts with a chain of revenge that will reverberate through Scotland and the ages. Contributing to many murders and famous stories that you hear today.
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@Texanprime
Жыл бұрын
Please do Texas revolution please extra history
@humanperson3365
Жыл бұрын
Love these vids
@yolosnazzy4175
Жыл бұрын
please do chechnya war
@enriconassetti4946
Жыл бұрын
@@Texanprime do that please extra history
@eduardogutierrez4698
Жыл бұрын
What about the Lies episode on Frederick the Great?
Dying because you ordered a passageway to be blocked off because you kept losing tennis balls is one of those things that we don't give a second thought to in history but would be called unrealistic in a work of fiction.
@tugatomskanimation6370
Жыл бұрын
Reality is indeed stranger than fiction.
@coolmikeknight9933
Жыл бұрын
True i know one thing id hate to go down like that
@ferretyluv
Жыл бұрын
It’d be called a perfect Chekhov’s gun.
@ineednochannelyoutube2651
Жыл бұрын
@@ferretyluv It could also work as karmic justice if the king was corruptly cutting off necessary functions of state for personal reasons.
@michaelthomas5433
Жыл бұрын
You always get overthrown when you lose your balls.
What a brave and selfless lady who was willing to have her arm snapped in two just to protect her king.
@ecurewitz
Жыл бұрын
That was one badass queen
@nikolozgilles
Жыл бұрын
What happened to her
@krankarvolund7771
Жыл бұрын
@@ecurewitz They drew the queen, but they said it was a servant who did it ^^'
@ecurewitz
Жыл бұрын
@@krankarvolund7771 my bad
@crazydawn22
Жыл бұрын
extreme hodor
That servant who put her arm in lock is a real one.
@alexinfinite7142
Жыл бұрын
Beat me to it. What a bad ass
@Darkgun231
Жыл бұрын
That wasn't a servant, that was his wife.
@RedWizrobe
Жыл бұрын
@@Darkgun231 On closer inspection, you seem to be right, though their faces/hair don't took the same and are wearing different clothes. Either that's a completely different person with the initials JB, or the animator for this episode made two different illustrations for Joan of Beaufort. Either way, someone on the EC team don goofed.
@MrTmac9k
Жыл бұрын
That's the origin of the phrase "Katy bar the door."
@Rert
Жыл бұрын
@RedWizzrobe The initals are incorrect. The woman that barred the door was Catherine Douglas, one of the Queens ladies in waiting.
Blocking sewers to stop losing tennis balls but losing his life instead. Wow...
@BeastWarsFan
Жыл бұрын
Hindsight, am I right? BWF
@vgalis
Жыл бұрын
I suppose dying is a guaranteed way to never lose another another tennis ball.
@mumfydonut1980
Жыл бұрын
well, dead people are notorious for their inability to lose tennis balls so I'd say he won in the end
Tennis has a surprising history of being adjacent to deaths of royalty. Anne Boleyn was watching a tennis match when she received the summons to a council meeting that informed her of her forthcoming execution, for example. Edit: typo fix
@krankarvolund7771
Жыл бұрын
There's also a french king who died because, while going to watch a tennis match, hit his head so hard against the frame of a door, he died a few hours later ^^
@Amadeus451
Жыл бұрын
@@krankarvolund7771 or the one who played tennis all day then started chugging cold wine ave keeled over within a few minutes. He was a Louis, but I don't remember which one.
@thomasrinschler6783
Жыл бұрын
@@Amadeus451 Louis X. His early death and his posthumous son's death only a few days after birth started the first steps towards the Hundred Years War.
@Oxtocoatl13
Жыл бұрын
We should either ban this sport or aggressively advocate making it mote popular, depending on one's opinion of the royalty.
@krankarvolund7771
Жыл бұрын
@@Amadeus451 Louis X le Hutin ^^
I was way exited when I saw this. Because when my uncle traced our family line a couple years back. William Crichton was the earliest forefathers he could find. Thank you for bringing this lesser known story to life.
@destruct0503
Жыл бұрын
TRAITORSS
@Kumimono
Жыл бұрын
One wonders, in which spot of the revenge cycle you are in, hiring assassins, or being vary of ones. :D
@theuglywolf2536
Жыл бұрын
Highly doubt there's any relation to the actual Crighton family. A common mistake made among amateur familial historians is to think having the same surname means being a part of the same family. In truth, your family was likely under the servitude of the Crichton lordship, as in Scottish tradition your family name was that of your masters.
@Frznwhrlpll
Жыл бұрын
@@theuglywolf2536 personally that wouldn't change a single feeling I had but I'm not concerned about my direct family lineage just the time periods and where certain people may have been
@skylarelizabeth4092
11 ай бұрын
And mine was Alexander Livingston!
I had no idea the Red Wedding was inspired by a real event
@jerinmathew4726
Жыл бұрын
The whole series is loosely based on many historic events
@HenningGu
Жыл бұрын
I'd actually be surprised if inviting your enemy only to kill them didn't happen at some point in real life.
@charles2703
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, George loves (loved?) putting in stuff like that. Cersei and Jamie are clearly inspired by Artemisia II and Mausolus.
@izzad777
Жыл бұрын
Spoiler alert. Most of the horrific events that happened in ASOIAF is inspired from real events. Humans are very capable of inflicting unthinkable level of cruelty on one another and had been doing so far longer than we are able to write records about it or create tales inspired by it. The only reason humans survive as a species is because the combination of our resilience and the acts of brave, good people to ensure that humans don't effed themselves to death. The scariest thing about this is that these events will continue to happen, and we have to continue to be resilient and brave to act against it. If somehow we stopped doing it, there is no future to humanity.
@emmettturner9452
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure EC already did a series on War of the Roses.
Looking forward to this one! Scotland has such an amazing, complex history.
@scottanos9981
Жыл бұрын
A lot of honor killings and clan factionalism that transferred to the Hatfield-McCoy feud of the Appalachian United States!
@anttibjorklund1869
Жыл бұрын
I think this was a one-off
@17Watman
Жыл бұрын
George RR Martin thought the same.
The Saint Bartholomew's Day massacre is closer to the Red Wedding. Because, you know, it was a wedding.
@Kenzalina_
Ай бұрын
I know you wrote this a year ago but I completely agree!
Who needs fiction when history can give us all the drama we could ever ask for? 😅
@francisman60
Жыл бұрын
Reality is sometimes stranger than fiction
@ecurewitz
Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@khameronsmith108
Ай бұрын
Just don't let Ridley Scott make it into a movie. He'll make the most fantastic historical story the most boring watch imaginable
You know, being stabbed to death in the sewers because you ordered it to be clogged just got to be up there with one of the more humiliating ways to go out xP
@kingpiye7060
Жыл бұрын
Not really?How do you even make that conclusion its just unforeseen and unexpected really.
Love this - would be great to see you do some more Scottish history. Mary Queen of Scots is crying out for a multi-part series - one of the most crazy lives of anyone in late medieval history: queen of two countries, and mother of the king of another.
You should really do an episode on the Stockholm Blood Bath. It’s a real Game of Thrones-worthy story of battle, determination, betrayal and death.
@MPbmfm
Жыл бұрын
Yes the Stockholm Bloodbath was way more bloody, about 100 were executed in 3 days
@hotdogboxd
Жыл бұрын
and in Vasa's desire to avenge his father, he freed sweden from the danish yoke!
The thing I love about the Middle Ages is that it can be as a silly as a Disney movie and as a deadly as a John Wick movie
If you want another real life Red Wedding story you should make a video about the Bloodbath of Stockholm. King Christian II invites the Swedish nobility to a great feast. They party for about three days, then Christian has the guests arrested, and summarily beheaded. Around 90 people in total were executed, and it set the stage for the secession of Sweden from the Kalmar Union when Gustav Vasa, whose parents had been executed, led a revolt and took the throne as Gustav I.
Speaking of Game of Thrones, I hear the Glencoe Massacre also provided inspiration for the Red Wedding.
@ferretyluv
Жыл бұрын
That’s the one I heard about.
@krankarvolund7771
Жыл бұрын
Except that in Glencoe, it's the guests who murdered the host ^^
@Brandonhayhew
Жыл бұрын
The Rus princess had her quests burned alive in bathhouse
@theawesomeman9821
Жыл бұрын
Goerge RR Martin has already admitted to being influence by this massacre on various televised interviews that can be found on KZread.
@lucaswatson1913
Жыл бұрын
GRRM said so himself in an interview
I love that you are covering Scottish history. I would love to see more series about Scotland!
The legendary patrons have been legends for so long! I appreciate their contributions immensely.
thank you for uploading this, i remember watching a documentary which included this event (it was on edinburgh castle) yet i completely forgot the name of such occurrence but now i do!
Imagine being named Douglas Douglas.
@seanisnotjohn
Жыл бұрын
Douglas Douglas, Count of Douglas
8:36 That pie of facts with the pinch on fiction to the smell of tales, that has to be one of the best analogies for how to describe how history is turned into the media we consume now. Absolutely amazing, love it!
Another of these were the Swedish 14th century "Håtuna Games" between the three brothers Birger, Erik, and Valdemar Birger was crowned king and due to political games forced out his brothers from court and forbad them to rejoin unless he invited them, also forbidding them from doing their own foreign affairs except through the king. This culimated in a civil war that went nowhere and sputtered out in 1306. Still, Erik and Valdemar plotted revenge for their treatment and on 26th of september when Birger held his wedding feast in Håtuna, the two brothers armed themselves and their men in secret, taking their brother captive and planning to kill his infant son that a loyal knight (Actually a swedish equivalent of a courtier, but that is not important) had whisked away with to denmark. Agreeing to share the power with his brothers, Birger was kept prisoner even after the promise. Erik now controlled Sweden by having the largest realm, but that only lasted until the Danish king who had taken in Birger's son attacked and plundered around in Erik's realm. This lead to the retaliation of Erik and Valdemar against Scania, plundering it in turn with mercenaries from germany. Calling for aid, the danish king called the norwegian king who arrived and helped defeat the two brothers, who as a condition of the peace, let Birger go and become king again. This lead to an uneasy peace between the three brothers that lasted for ten years, until 1317, Birger once again called for a feast and invited his two brothers in what is now called "Nyköping's Feast" where he showed that he had forgiven civil war that had caused such strife between them. As the night went on, he finally declared "I have forgiven the war, but I never forgot the Håtuna Games!" and the guards stormed the hall to arrest the two brothers. He kept them locked up in the dungeon, gloating over his final victory. There they died on his orders, but in retaliation, the loyal knights of Erik and Valdemar stormed the keep and forced Birger to flee Sweden, but his son was taken captive. In exile, he died 1321, just after the news came that his son had been executed. And so, Magnus VII, son of Erik, took the throne. And so ended the Håtuna Games. Hope you ended this overly long post about a fascinating event that is often overlooked!
@MerkhVision
Ай бұрын
Very interesting, thanks for explaining!
Oh man, you guys make me want a series on the Interregna from Margaret the Maid to Robert the Bruce so bad.
The. There was the “Nykoping Banquet” of 1317, when King Birger of Sweden starved his brothers to death in revenge for the HATUNALEKEN of 1306 (which translates best as “fun and games at Hatuna”).
Hi, good video, can you please do the Texan revolution?
I've heard George RR Martin doesn't like fan fiction. Which is ironic because he writes historical fan fictions.
@ferretyluv
Жыл бұрын
Not really. He does more “ripped from the headlines.” No more fan fiction than Law and Order.
One interesting bit of Scottish lore you could cover, simply because there are so many conflicting accounts, regards the extinction of wolves in Great Britain. We know the last one was killed in Scotland, but the time and place is murky and subject to folklore.
Loved this one, but a teeeeny tiny nitpick. As an Edunburgher born and bred, it's pronounced Edin-Bu-RUh (as in, rUn or rUg). Americans get really weird looks from us when they call it Edinburrow. It'd be like us coming over and saying, "I've always dreamed of coming to Nee Yoorch."
@mystecoregames
Жыл бұрын
That and calling Glasgow, Glass Cow, even once corrected.
As a Black Douglas this episode was thrilling xD
I always felt like the Red Wedding was more based off of the Bloodfeast of Roskilde, from danish history
God I love this channel so much! Cheers to the entire team for keeping me constantly educated and entertained for nearly 7 years now!
Incredible content as always! Keep it up guys!
wow, I never heard this story before despite living in Scotland all my life. Perhaps someday, I'll spend more time looking into more history of my homeland rather than the more English related history I was taught growing up
@GabrielForth
Жыл бұрын
Check out @ScotlandHistoryTours, Bruce's videos are well put together, amusing and informative. They also last between 15 - 25 minutes so are bitesize.
@edukid1984
Жыл бұрын
That's the point of your Westminster-sanctioned history lessons in schools. To reinforce the "British" identity (with England being the dominant force obviously) to keep the union intact and weed out separatist ideas from a young age.
@jamiesimms7084
2 ай бұрын
@@edukid1984I don't think this has anything to do with the Scottish independence party
SATURDAY EXTRA HISTORY!! Great topic. Thanks EH for another great video.
The " Murder Castle" actually looks rather lovely in the clear daylight, if still a bit imposing.
*Rains of Castamere intensifies*
The Glencoe massacre was another inspiration for the Red Wedding.
Marvelous stuff, as always!
Wow. This also felt like inspiration for the betrayal of Leto Atredes in Dune.
@shambhav9534
5 ай бұрын
Why though? What resemblance do you see?
Wow what a heinous act to kill 2 young men like that with such treachery.
Another amazing video from you guys!
this is similar to what the Campbells did to the MacDonalds as well, except that the Campbells were the guests.
This was a really good and interesting story. I loved the animation!
I read that as The Real Bed Wetting and was amused.
Thank you for sharing such a high-quality video. I can tell that you put a lot of thought and care into making it. Keep up the excellent work!
The Glencoe Massacre: "what am I, a joke to you?"
“And who are you the proud lord said…”
Great job, guys! Scottish history is always interesting!
The dedication you must feel as a servant to let your arm get painfully snapped to defend your master.
Now I need a history on tennis balls.
There was actually a very similar event to the red wedding that (supposedly) happened in Danmark. The Blood feast at Roskilde
2:53 Robert the Bruce playing chess with England.
St Barthomlews day massacre also has the resemblance of being at an actual wedding
Great videos as usual ❤️
Great Video! The art styles differ by artist. That makes this channel unique. And the stories are chosen by your patreons. Keep the work up!
You guys should do a series about gustavus adolphus I always wanted to know more about him
I am reminded of everything on Gargoyles that wasn't about NY or fairies. Also basically the entire plot of Final Fantasy Tactics, but that's historical back-stabbing for you.
@ShardNetwork
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, plenty of stuff that led to the more fantastic parts stemmed from people being hungry for power or land. And a LOT of betrayal. If the Castle Wyvern clan woke up in an empty castle like Demona wanted, there's a slim chance they wouldn't have started the chain of events leading them to New York.
Yay! Another extra history video😊 you gotta love the enthusiasm of this awesome narrator
Al-Mamun’s assassination was also similar a good inspiration for Game Of Throne’s Red Weddding.
I hope you guys, one day, do a series on the War of the Roses
Also look into the Glencoe massacre, which was supposedly the inspiration of the Red Wedding in GOT.
Thanks!
@extrahistory
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Beth! Your support really helps the show!
Actually there was a red wedding before this in Greece in the Successor State of the Byzantine Empire called Epirus (from the thumbnail click). Theodore Doukas and ambitious leader poised to restore the Eastern Roman Empire after the 4th Crusade took the throne of Epirus and he lured Peter of Courenay (if i recall he was the Latin Emperor) with offers of Food and Wine as well as support for the 5th crusade. Once the Latins let their guard down they were captured or massacred. He was excommunicated afterwards by the Pope as the Despotate leaders faked their conversion to Roman Catholicism as only a political solution. He faked his apologies to the Pope and started going campaign to restore the Empire by capturing what remains of the now almost dead body of the Crusader State of Thessaloniki which made the Pope angry yet again and excommunicated him again. Fun part he did not cared also he switched back to Orthodox Christanity back again once he thought this charade went far enough.
I suggest you look into The Nyköping Banquet for a similar drama-esque style historical event of intrigue
Holy cow. I’m RELATED to these Stuarts and had no idea about how incredibly complex it all was.
@VanatruFreyr
Жыл бұрын
Are you really related or are you an American with the same name claiming royal heritage? Because in reality the Stewart family died out with Queen Anne in 1714.
8:20 *"TWENTY-SIX STAB WOUNDS. YOU DIDNT WANT TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE, HUH?!"*
@Packless1
Жыл бұрын
...it was a tragic accident...when he cleaned his dagger, it unfortunately set off... ☠☠☠ ...26 times...? ...in his BACK...??? 😮🤔😨 ...as i said...a very tragic accident...!!! 😉😱😉😱😉😱😉
@DamonNomad82
Жыл бұрын
"It was an alphabet stabbing! I just wanted to make sure every letter from A to Z was represented!"
Good video, could you do the 80 years war?
Why have you never done an episode about Wales?
@hallamhal
Жыл бұрын
An episode about Owain Glyndwr would be amazing
Okay, but what happened to the Chancellor? Did he get away with his part in the murders, or did Karma catch up to him?
@woodlandcreature8857
Жыл бұрын
The Crichtons continued to remain influential in Scotland well into the mid 16th century, when they were outshined by other families like the Hamiltons and Gordons
@alexandersturnn4530
Жыл бұрын
@@woodlandcreature8857 I see. Thanks.
'Damn it, I knew I should have listened to my dad and do fencing instead!'
Did anyone else get confused thinking this was Jimmy 1 of England and 6 of Scotland?
Wasn’t the red wedding more reminiscent of the Stockholm bloodbath by the Danes?
Please do Texas revolution please extra history
@enriconassetti4946
Жыл бұрын
Yes i would also like that
Scottish history is secretly so interesting like skara brae
Ooft. Edinburgh isnt a hard one dude. Its Edin-burr-uh not Edin-burrow for future heads up. Also deid is not death. Deid = dead. Past tense. So its more, once they have been put to death they are then deid. While you have said "They have been put to dead". If you need someoe to run this stuff by im happy to help. Am native.
@extra history would you do a video on the troubles? I don't know too much about it but wanna know more smd the recent video on the republics fight is interesting
3:49 High perched fortress = perfect murder spot, ah I love cat logic :). Great story, thanks for sharing this.
“You, my friend, have come to the right place - SCOTLAND”
Could you do about the chartists And could you cite your scoured NOT because I need them for alevel history course work Totally
Scottish history is so wonderfully colorful!😅
This is one of the historical stories that inspired the red wedding from game of thrones
@buia499
Жыл бұрын
He said that in the beginning of the video
Would love to see you guys do a series on Napoleon or on the American revolution
Loving the Scottish history, but please as a Scotsman, it's "Edin-bu-ruh" not "Edin-bu-row" 😁
"There have been many tales. Tainted by truth. Twisted by time. Some choose to forget, yet it still weaves webs in their minds." Blackmore's Night. The Hanging Tree.
I thought it was the Massacre of Glencoe that inspired the Red Wedding? 🤔
Good name for a new food network show staring Al Roker doing restaurant reviews...
I wonder if there will be an Extra Fantasy History someday in the future that will have a series for different stories such as Game of Thrones, Lord of The Rings, and Wheel of Time
God dang that title is menacing, even more cuz there isn’t context till you watch.
When I saw this episode (red wedding) on Game of Thrones.... I knew I heard of something like this before. LOL.
My cast iron pan keeps me fed on a buissy schedule too
love how short name of the video is. Its so short that its off
Loved the video, only thing that annoyed me was the mispronunciation of Edinburgh XD
Vlad the Impaler: How adorable!
@jon-paulfilkins7820
Жыл бұрын
Olga of Kiev: I Know, Its so sweet.
PANR has tuned in. How's everyone holding up?
Hey if we're gonna do astounding Scottish betrayals, why not show off the notorious betrayal of the Campbell Clan at the Massacre of Glencoe.
who needs fiction when the truth is often stranger than fiction and history so much more interesting
How absolutely barbaric. Imagine being a king and re-using tennis balls dipped in sewage instead of just writing them off and buying new ones. Are we certain it wasn't his former tennis partners who orchestrated his murder?
Awsome
Definitely the inspiration for the Red Wedding