To make this ideally fair. The Picasso needed to be teamed up with a Scenic or Zafira of similar ages and the S-Max should’ve been paired with the newer C4 Grand Picasso.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Well yes, but I didn't have one of those here!

@solitaryclusterofneurons598

10 ай бұрын

I'd have said the Citroen C8 with the ES9 V6 rather than the C4 Grand Picasso personally

That was interesting (yes honest) and although ‘the wife’ wanted the Ford… the Picasso proves just how good it is and why regular servicing is all that’s needed and that a logic of “yeah but that £400 repair bill is more than the value of the car” isn’t always the best decision. Service it. Fix it. Drive it. Watched the whole video Richard… as we know all about watch minutes 😉 and because we wanted to.

I actually saw someone using one of those Citroen trollys out in the wild this morning! I was far more excited than I should have been

@robinwells8879

11 ай бұрын

It’s a picnic basket, boot tidy or a festival trolley. That’s nearly as good as the picnic table I had in my Mk2 CRV. Really clever touch

“Caressing widscreen wipers” Comedy gold to brighten my Monday morning. 😂

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Wasn't a joke, the guy's odd.

@kimmohietala5359

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN 🤣

@jwsoaresjones1560

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN He helped bring you to us.

That Notbothering sticker! 🤣👍 S-Max is and always will be cool AF because 5cyl 20V Volvo engine. It's quick and with a remap can actually be fast.

@rimmersbryggeri

11 ай бұрын

What a world we are living in where a volvo engine makes something cool. LOL

@simonelsey

11 ай бұрын

its the st engine @@rimmersbryggeri

@rimmersbryggeri

11 ай бұрын

@@simonelsey I know that. But it's still a volvo engine all the same it was even developed before ford got in on it.

@TassieLorenzo

11 ай бұрын

@@rimmersbryggeri Volvo engines are very cool. Especially the T5. The Yamaha V8 in the S80 and XC90 is very cool too (Yamaha still sell it as a marine engine). C'mon now, how can the Volvo 850 super touring car and Volvo S40 super touring car not be cool with their five-cylinder howl? By extension the road-going Volvo 850R is very cool too. Unfortunately speaking of cool(ing), the Ford 2.5L version of the engine has thinner cylinder walls than the Volvo 2.3L version, despite being in cars (like the Focus ST and Mondeo ST) where it will be driven harder. So they are known to crack the cylinder liners. 😐I guess that won't be a problem on an S-Max that generally won't be driven as hard (or badly remapped with a pop 'n' bang tune...). Speaking of strong engines, the good old Volvo B20 turbo from the Volvo 240 Turbo is legendary for being indestructible and holding up well with 500+ bhp on a stock block too... (Obviously it's an old-school closed deck cast iron engine.)

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

We knew about the liner issues with the 2.5 version, which is one of the reasons this one hasn't been tuned or anything. Just keep it serviced etc and it's good as gold. Clutch is tired now, though (it's the original).

I used to drive a 2.5t sMax as a police dog unit. After a busy night turn over 250 miles the trip computer would show 12 mpg!

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Hahaha! That's good going!

@garrytalbot3456

11 ай бұрын

The Mondeo st 220 s we had at the same time could go as low as 7!

@stevenking2946

11 ай бұрын

Vectra 2.5 v6 sri would get single figures.

I learned a lot from this kitch.... And I spy a red xantia! Hubba Hubba..😊

Great comparison - we'll presented with bonus parcel shelf and cat ... You are spoiling us Mr Kitch

Great video, very entertaining. You've got a real talent for this!

7:30-7:53 is absolutely spot on. Thank you for putting that in words that I've been trying to find for years!

@iBeast_M0de

10 ай бұрын

Give me an estate or an MPV over any SUV every day of the week!

Genius episode!😂😂. Seriously, genius. 👍👏

Hope to see more if these comparison videos, this was brilliant!

Really enjoyed this comparison, also totally agree with your SUV critique.

The Xsara Picasso it's simply one of the most brilliant car designs ever made! Compact in it's 4.3m, but with a cavernous trunk. Adjusting the seats allowed me to carry a full size frame mountain bike! On top the practical touches are simply outstanding. Best of all is that the entire package is inexpensive to buy, run or maintain! All in all. The only car model that I got 2 (two) over time.

I was lucky enough to have the Picasso through Spring/Summer 2022 when the engine in my corsa went boom. Obviously in a year with a proper summer, the air con was a huge miss. But it was a pleasure to drive and live with!

@UPnDOWN

10 ай бұрын

I reckon it's helped a fair few people out over the years!

Best car comparison video ever!

Not surprised about the seats, I had a 206 as my first car and the seats were extremely comfortable and you sank into them while every other car such the R56 Mini Cooper that replaced my 206, the seats are harder and not as comfortable

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Don't get me wrong, the Picasso seats are pretty poor, and in the front the S-Max is much comfier. But, I chose the back end...

The test we didn't know we needed :D

Nearly bought a S Max back in 2017 but a diesel, still a itch I would like to scratch as my wife's and uncle had one from new and it looked pretty cool. My uncle had a Picasso which again was a pretty good car for his young family at the time. Great little comparison through Rich both cars are winners in my eyes.

Another good video 🚘🚙🚗👍👍⭐️⭐️👏👏👏

Perfection, Mr. Kitchen. This presentation shows us the Video Maker that Msr. Seabrook saw in you at the outset. 1,000 subscribers at best...yeah, right. Bravo, Mr. Kitchen, BRAVO.

Great video rich very interesting, I know someone who did this swap too, maybe their more similar than they seem! Entertaining as always! 😁

@e28forever30

27 күн бұрын

they’re

The best wrong test I ever watched 👍

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

I might quote that one day.

Literally the first time I've watched this channel. On the drive I thought I recognised that left hand turn and humpback bridge, then I saw the sign 'Boarhunt' on the reverse drive. Know exactly where this is!

Really great editing at the start - and the Deep Purple reference wasnt missed

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Impressive, considering it wasn't intentional!

Nice use of the Aaaaggguuuuerrrrroooooo !!! Vocals clip lol

The Citroen/Bentley stroke made me chuckle😅

Love it as I went recently from a 05 Picasso 90bhp to a 08 S max 220 bhp so much fun to drive and love it for towing

@UPnDOWN

10 ай бұрын

A 2.5T like this one?

@TheGizwop

10 ай бұрын

Yep its 25T in zetec spec in dark metallic green ment to be (rare 🧐 lol) I love it as only 60 quid more to insure than the Picasso that was a big shockas was expecting a bigger jump but with it not being a titanium like my friends who has 2.0 diesel titanium and it's a lot more than I'm paying and with it only being a zetec without all the extra bells and whistles weight is also a bonus. I absolutely Love its very fun to drive feels pretty sporty to Me and often surprises cars it shouldn't😮😉😉 lol and then can fit a load inside like a small van and a tows like a dream and I Don't miss the diesel torque tbh and the towing geometry is a lot better on the Smax always struggled to reverse manoeuvre with the Picassos Tho on a side note I much preferred by Mark 1 Picasso over the 2 facelift models I had was the first was a lot lot better built interior and a few mechanical bits so mine facelifts became a bit of a mongrel from better parts off the mk1 parts

@TheGizwop

10 ай бұрын

​@@UPnDOWN Have a good day

I have owned a 2012 C3 Picasso 1.6HDi 110BHP exclusive for 2 years and it has been brilliant. We didn't need a massive car but wanted something comfy and had useful space. The back seats slide forwards if you need more boot space, the back is square so has extra height in the boot, the seats are extremely comfy. It has the picnic tables in the back and retractable sun screens in the windows. The engine pulls quite well and on a recent 300 mile trip i got an indicated 63 miles to the gallon. i never thought i would ever say i would enjoy owning a Citroen but i do.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Wait until you try one of the proper Citroens...

Had mine 7 yrs(picasso) , bought for £100....comfy car, great van😊🇬🇧👍

Just a coincidence that the number plate has RK on it? 😉

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

It genuinely is, but then it's actually my wife's car anyway and her initials aren't RK!

I've owned a Xsara Picasso and it is truly a practical vehicle. My partner loved the front passenger seating position. The lack of 7 seats was addressed with the C4 Grand Picasso (I've oned one of those too). The S-Max isn't a fair comparison but I don't think that's the point. The Picasso has given the S-Max a good run for it's money.

I really like the C4 Picasso

Good comparison, my vote goes to..... ..... I'm keeping my Mk4 Mondeo, for all the reasons that you said.

We had a 2nd gen S-Max AWD in 2016 and lived the space for family & digs plus luggage.. plus the AWD meant for the 8 days in its 3 years with us it got up the snow covered lanes to our horses.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Didn't know they did an AWD S-Max!

@davidchandler9260

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN - ye on the 2.0 tdci 150 or 190 it was an option… tge haldex clutch type system so normal front wheel until slip detected.

@matthewblundell9119

11 ай бұрын

​@@UPnDOWNdidn't know that either, guess explains S-Max lack of big flat floor (big flat floor, big flat floor!) :)

@momo1883

4 ай бұрын

Did you sell it?

@davidchandler9260

4 ай бұрын

@@momo1883 - yes mate, back in 2019 .. it was a great car but we decided on getting an auto as spending a lot of time crawling around the M25.

So glad we got to see the cat. We were going to ask 😺

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

I thought of you when I was editing it!

Great comparison vid. I have an smax with the HDI based engine which runs pretty well. You picked up 2 of my design annoyances - what to do with the load cover if deciding using the rear seats when already out and about, and the things falling out of the boot (now cured with an “apple catcher”) - its the same on the mk2!

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

The 2.0 16v HDI engine is a good unit. At the time we bought this S-Max, diesels cost a LOT more than any petrol, even the 5-cyl turbo. Nowadays, not so much. The parcel shelf thing has always annoyed me!

@chrishart8548

11 ай бұрын

​@UPnDOWN I've got a 2011 mondeo with the diesel psa engine I love it. Power and mpg is very good.

@JohnLawley24v

10 ай бұрын

​@@UPnDOWNmine for the volvo just lived in my shed for 7 years after I drove it home, then I gave it to Charlotte (Lotty) when she bought an xc90 a few years back.

i hope to own the picasso some time

That was a great testand of course being a married man myself, if the wife is happy then you are happy. I would take the Picasso myself. This comes from the man who had two Toyota Previas at the same time. Now those were people carriers.

Would love a video about the red Xantia in the background

Your outro music always reminds me of Joy Division Oven Gloves by Half Man Half Biscuit 😊

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

It's one of the tracks from the KZread audio library (cos we can't use normal music)

@johnmoruzzi7236

10 ай бұрын

Nero fiddles while Gordon Burns ! 😅

Really looking forward to the apples v oranges comparison video. Top work Sir, most enjoyable. P.S why are you talking into a make up brush when you were reviewing the back seats? Hubnut has less horsepower in the Berlingo, but a bigger microphone. Its all swings and roundabouts.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Haha! It's the little fluffy mic thing that came with the mic. It's crap, always falls off.

My Sister / Brother in law had a C4 Grand Picasso 1.8 petrol to replace an ancient Sharan, flimsy as hell but it gave great family activity service to Cornwall and the French alps for years. When the kids moved out it and it got flaky it got changed for a daft ugly predictable Quasquai…

Out of curiosity I checked out the French remap company Puretuning to see if they have remap files for the Xsara Picasso 2L HDi (66 kw) and I find out they sell two files. Stage 1 : 120 ps (88 kw), 270 nm, Stage 2 : 135 ps (99 kw), 310 nm. It doesn't seem unrealistic when comparing to the numbers of the C4 Picasso 2L HDi : 136 ps (100 kw), 270 nm.

ive always wondered what those things are in the backs of these and theyre shopping trolleys ?? XD

We have a new car test genius! That was one of the best comparison videos ever. Full marks Rich. We now know conclusively that the two cars are different. A perfect result. Well done. Great job. Nice pussy by the way.

Is the re-entry damage from when Troi crashed it? Yes, it's a Star Trek reference, but it seems appropriate given the Picasso's mileage... 😁

The Xsara Picasso can it’s routes all the way back to the ZX/Peugeot 306 with the Xsara itself being essentially a cosmetic update of the ZX… be fun to drop GTI-6 running gear in one… granted it still won’t have the power of a Volvo T5 engine, but it’s a nice engine all the same, with plenty of torque, fun to properly rev out… hmmm

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

That's what I meant, as the ZX was conceived in the 1980s, and the suspension technology is the same as the Peugeot 205/309/405.

@solitaryclusterofneurons598

10 ай бұрын

Too bad GTI6 engines are near-enough impossible to find in 2023. If only car manufacturers would make 'unofficial' crate engines of their legendary performance engines, and just advertise them explicitly as 'not for road use' or whatever just so they don't have to worry about emissions laws etc

@Si1983h

10 ай бұрын

@@solitaryclusterofneurons598 indeed, I certainly wouldn’t entertain separating one from a viable GTI-6, that would be criminal… but it was a fun engine, small power by modern standards but excellent all the same.

Best review i have seen, and on 2 of my most hated cars (definitely car segment)

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

A segment full of very, very good cars that are quite unlikable generally. Compared to the SUV craze of today, though, I'd have an MPV as a classic car!

Great review. The Ford Focus C Max would obviously have been a closer rival and think it's substantially better than the Picasso too though. Handling, build, equipment, crash test etc etc.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

I dunno, I felt the S-Max was substantially better than the C-Max, personally.

@JohnLawley24v

10 ай бұрын

Of the B-max, C-Max and S-max of 06-13 the C-max was definitely the weakest of them, B-max easier getting in and out with the sliding doors and more comfortable and as much space, S-max more seats or bigger boot.

@FatHead1979

10 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN Well it's certainly a lot bigger than a C-Max due to the MK1 C-Max being based off of a MK2 Focus.

Just sat here now thinking about the umpteen PIcassos weve had and the currently Galaxy on the fleet (2.0 TDCI). Which do I prefer? Its tough. Picassos have done us as A family VERY well over the years even the 1.6 8v one we had (Can see it on my channel). Theyve been reliable and mainly, cheap to run. We had a C4 Picasso (12 plate) for a short while and what a truly horrific thing it was - especially the automatic gearbox... what absolute utter crap! Current 11 plate Galaxy.... love it.. not as comfy as the PIcasso's but a nice place to be inside... Very good economy as well and of course, much larger with 2 extra seats! Parts are a bit more epxenisve though. Dont seem to be able to chuck it about as much as you can with a Picasso, but its not bad to be fair to it, I qute enjoy driving it. Our Picassos have been and back to Paris, which this Galaxy will also be doing - will see how it fairs up. Content on my channel soon, Galaxy goodness.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

We've run the S-Max to Paris and back a few times, it does that journey really well.

Regards trim levels,there was a level higher than the sx in the early noughties called the exclusive. I had a 1.8 petrol on a 02 plate. Had front and back leccy windows,climate control and panoramic roof. Admittedly mine had 75 psi or lower on 2 cylinders and a thirst for petrol only outweighed by its thirst for oil. Had 5 or six xsara pics,from x plate to 54 plate over the past 6 years or so as they are just capable at being a car. The LX was the lowest trim,i had an x plate hdi which didnt even come with ac,the sx added better seats,armrests,ac amd front fogs. The exclusive added Panoramic roof,climate and leccy rear windows. Later in their life they could be had with auto lights,wipers and cruise control. The c4 picasso i had a couple years back on an 08 plate was not as good in my opinion. Being a french sadist myself who is a glutton for punishment i keep going back to french cars and have owned numerous 90s and onwards french motors. 4:22 The s max 2.5 turbo has always been of interest to me though. Great videos sir and keep up the good work.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

There was, yeah. That's why I had to edit the word 'launched' into the vid as when I edited I realised I'd made the error.

@DerbyshireTriker

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN sorry for the correction on my part then! Love the videos either way and great to see someone else loving the quirky french motors.

The T5 S-max is certified modern classic. Please don't buy one. I'm yet to get into on while they're still underated! That said both have legendary engines in their own right. I still remember when the only Diesel worth a look was Citroen or Peugeot. It seemed novel seeing my dad fuel his trucks and the family's cars from the same pump. I had a diesel visa that I ran for a year and I'm sure I only filled it up twice! It was hardly worth turning it off at night.

I used to want a Zaffira Mk2 until I sat in the back on a short drive and found the rear seats were hard and uncomfortable with the backrest too laid back.

I really enjoyed that. But I didn’t understand the Gino D’Acampo bit.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Google it.

@richardhunt809

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN ah yes. Holly and Scofield doing the laughing again.

Ive got the diesel 2.0 smax love the car i thibk best people carrier ypu can buy. Handles well goes well and economical. Also in titanium spec on a 56 plate. Compared to my inlaws 18 plate zafira the spec is pretty much i dentical but god is the zafira dismal. The smax is still good fun on a backroads and ive pushed along fat smaller sportier cars.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

They drive far, far better than people would believe. Comes at the cost of tyres, though!

@HA05GER

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN yeh my one eats tyres but I drive it quite hard and it likes to light up the tyres. I bet the 2.5 is quite fun but they are like gold dust now

You could compare first gen Citroen C4 grand Picasso launched in 2006 to your s max. Plus u can store the parcel shelf in the boot with the 2 rear seats up plus with the 2 seat up there is loads of storage under those seats.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure you can't. It doesn't fit anywhere, even in the footwell in the middle row.

@brendanc5519

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN I was talking about the C4 grand Picasso. Parcel shelf can now be stored in the boot for unplanned extra passengers. sorry for not being clear.

Same issue with the load cover in my Galaxy, drives me nuts, such an obvious design flaw. Which is why it's spent five years propped up in the porch (the load cover, not the Galaxy).

Is the Turbo Daily in the background yours? Would love to see a revival or something

@jackscott8931

11 ай бұрын

He does have a couple of videos on it waaaaaaaay back in the video history. Some of the first probably. I'd like to see it get some love too, although it'd need *alot* of love now I suspect.

@mefastman77

11 ай бұрын

@@jackscott8931 thanks, I wasn't aware but that looks like a nice Daily

@groeacht8525

11 ай бұрын

@mefastman77 I believe he's looking to sell it on as soon as the cats found a new home, it needs some work but has a brand new stainless exhaust

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

As these guys have said, it's been around a little while. Low mileage, needs love, would make an awesome retro camper. It's not a Turbo Daily, it's just a Daily (35-8).

@mefastman77

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN yeah, I actually watched the first video on it, little beast, great configuration apart from it being just the n/a, no rev counter :P

Newer, larger, more expensive car wins comparison. And I watched to the final titles. I did enjoy the way you capped the S-Max as the fruit of a successful educational career with a quotation from _Down With Skool_. As also your combination of cynicism and enthusiasm about cars and the industry. Oh, but you missed the crucial distinguisher: in which car are kids more likely to throw up?

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

I like the way you draw parallels in something I've said when I had no idea it was there!

@michaelwright2986

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN It's what might be called inspiration: the way creativity gets given bonuses without being conscious of them.

Not only would I use that shopping trolley, I would display it proudly. Centerpiece of the shopping experience if I had one. And if you dont agree with me, and think thats wrong, well then I dont wanna be right.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

I will support you when you inherit the earth.

I once got 7 internal doors inside my Picasso.

Sound. The 5 cylinder engine is just amazing. But seats. Nobody can make seats like the French. I have an XF Premium Luxury, and the heated and cooled leather seats can be adjusted in 16 different ways. The seats in the wife's DS3 are waaay more comfortable.

As a Ford employee I'm not surprised at all that the build quality is worse than on a much cheaper, older vehicle.

@FatHead1979

10 ай бұрын

Same goes for virtually all (If not all) mainstream brands, these days even certain current Audi and VW models feel a bit cheap once you're sat in them.

Apparently there are only 5 red 2006 ford smaxs left on the road with mot's in the uk but it doesnt specify if it is the 2.5 it just states across all the petrol models

@amack9771

11 ай бұрын

According to howrareismycar

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Problem is there are two different types of red, too, so I think that includes both of them.

The Citroen wins because it’s a six door. Five from a Picasso and one from a BX. 😀

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

😆

"if it was on a UK plate" ... haha - and with that, the NI unionist viewership (both of them) cry out in anguish ;). That pervy Ian caressing the wiper...

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Ah...shit. Hopefully they knew what I meant!

i had xsara estate 2.0hdi , best car ive had for a long time done 250,000 when it went to car heaven than brought a xsara picasso ,wife wanted it brought 1.6 8v desire petrol Hated it ... had no power in the end clutch went , engine seals went , alterantor went all at same time Plus cills gone would need repair ....I reckon if i stuck withderv i would have like it but with petrol engine i hated it ...I did like the size of it very roomy ...just the engine ..

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

I used to potter a 1.6 8v Picasso around in a job at a furniture shop, and it was asking a bit too much of it tbf. Same engine in a Imp is much more fun!

If you wanted more Citroen seats, what was there? I vaguely recall a rather bland looking agalaxy-esque MPV that was badge engineered across the marques, Was that a seven seater?

@dungbetel

11 ай бұрын

The Evasion / Peugeot 806 / Fiat / Lancia had 8 seats as an optional extra I think

@twenty_years_with_a_saxo

11 ай бұрын

There was the Synergie and later the C8.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, the Synergie/806/Uylsse/Lancia that we never got was available, but that was a jump up in size even from the S-Max (was effectively a mini-van). Then the C8/807, which wasn't van-based and was a dedicated MPV, but again bigger than an S-Max. To be fair, if I needed 7 seats I'd consider the cars first, badge second.

@PaddyWV

11 ай бұрын

Cheers folks!

If you have a bread knife its wise to keep them happy

It's a funny thing for me with the piccaso my parents had one when I was in my early teens, not unlike this one it was a 2002 52 sx and at the time I absolutely hated the thing I thought it felt flimsy and really cheap quality, but looking back I've got to wonder did 13 year old me judge it unfairly looking at it now I can see it is quirky it's not cool it's not stylish even but it is quirky and dare I say it interesting.

Is that the Euro N Cat?

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Groan

Love this. I’ve been on a few long ish journeys in the back of an S-Max…..a high performance turbo diesel (how many petrols did they make, don’t think I’ve ever spotted a petrol S-Max certainly not a lowly spec petrol) and the ride was horrible. Like being in a washing machine for 2 hours. If there’s guaranteed lots of traffic where u drive….do you need to spend more money to get more power? This would apply to all car sectors, right down to superminis. Choosing the lesser engine might lower insurance, push up economy, and if it’s petrol without a turbo, less points of failure. Btw, David Brent saying “I want to be popular” is the Ford S-Max. 😂

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

The petrol is rare, yes. Diesels much more common, however in answer to your second point, the petrol was cheaper to buy (at the time). Significantly so!

You can only take and show one of them at The Festival of the Unexceptional 😊. Casso wins 🎉

Said it before and I'll say it again, I'd much rather be seen in a Zafira VXR than a Mokka

time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted

I have a Citroen c4 picasso and quashqui both diesel citroen 1.6 diesel and 1.5 diesel like the soft comfatable drive of the citroen (as good as my old sierra shaped granada 2 liter petrol )ok nissan not sporty but yes feels more responsive but .. on long journeys front and back seat passengers prefer my 57 plate citroen , yep shes old but passes every mot with ok tyres or wiper replacements WOW i hear folk moan about french cars but to be honest ive had renaults ,citroens no problems but vauxhalls ford was happier with french ...

Picasso for me coz I had one and every member of the family loved it. Can't go S-Max coz I had a C-Max diesel new for three years and I cannot say how bad that car was without offending people - everything that could go wrong did - several times. So bad was the C-Max I have avoided Fords since and will never have one again

@HA05GER

11 ай бұрын

I'd say the same about Vauxhall nothing but trouble for me and all my fords bullet proof. My smax diesel is on 170k got it 5 years ago only thing under bonnet I've replaced is the alternator. My previous car a. 2012 focus diesel bout with 13k sold with 130k and a lot of abuse also just an alternator. Weird how the luck goes.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

I think reliability is often just luck of the draw, to be honest. The S-Max has gone through periods where it just trucks on with zero niggles, though as with all Fords, there's a point it gets to where you think they just didn't intend to see it last that long, whereas with the Picasso you get the feeling it'll go as long as you want it to.

@FatHead1979

10 ай бұрын

@darrenwilson8042 Did your C-Max have the infamous 1.6 TDCi 16v engine in it by any chance?

@HA05GER

10 ай бұрын

@@FatHead1979 that engine ain't as bad as made out to be. You have to bare in mind it's probably the mosted used diesel engine across Europe. The dv6 was used by ford, Volvo, Peugeot, Citroen and even BMW in the mini. I had one bought it with 13k sold it with about 130k never skipped a beat and I ragged the crap out of it which probably helped 😂. Friend of mine has it in the fiesta he prides himself on never servicing it at one point it went 3 years without a service it runs perfectly never an issue. My sister in law has one and no issues apart from the DPf because she just doesn't drive it hard enough. If they are looked after they tend to be pretty good all in all unless in the mini for some reason they are really shite in the mini. I don't know if BMW did something to them but they tend to be crap.

@darrenwilson8042

10 ай бұрын

@@FatHead1979 - yep - it was blessed with that lump that is fit only to be a boat anchor lol

Vecky is looking a bit sad, lurking in the background. 🙁

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Oh yes. Needs rescuing by somebody, really.

I wonder how it would fare against a galaxy of the same year,same fuel ect?

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

The Picasso or the S-Max?

@FatHead1979

10 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN Surely must mean versus the S-Max, the Galaxy would SWALLOW the Picassi whole!

i think there would have been one better s max for comparison in this video, and that would be the 2.2 tdci, the same one that is found in the titanium x sport mk4 mondeo. probably about the best ford diesel engine. would be a lot more comparable on fuel with the picasso and its comparing a diesel to a diesel, all be it a 200bhp 2.2 diesel with a 90bhp 2.0 french diesel

@FatHead1979

10 ай бұрын

It's technically a Peugeot engine, like the 2.0 TDCi and 1.6 TDCi of similar vintage.

I think the 1st grn cmax is probably more loke the Picasso and ur smax is more loke the c4 Picasso or c4 grand Picasso

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Most likely, but I didn't have one of those here!

Big flat floor. Big flat floor. Big flat velour.

Red bad luck colour bloke😅

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

It has been bumped into a couple of times...

MPV's get worse fuel economy but atleast the tradeoff is space. SUV's have worse fuel economy but the tradeoff is... I'm not sure really. Seeing more somehow... out the same glass? :-/

if you hadnt used a 2.5 petrol and used a diesel instead the fuel would be mid 50s

@UPnDOWN

10 ай бұрын

Apparently not. Most owners reckon they get high 30s to low 40s.

Calling any car/van 'Sport' when they are never going to compete in any kind of sport is meaningless, in my opinion. They probably won't be in any fit state to banger race, at their end of life, which probably the closest to sport they might get 😅 The whole SUV segment is a total sham, with even convertible ones available. What 'Sport' uses pretend drop-top off-roaders? Lol

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

The only sport I can think of that uses SUVs is the sport of marketing and one-upmanship with your neighbours.

@jwsoaresjones1560

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN Don't forget the "sport" of pretending that actually looking down on others on the road equals actual safety. Until you roll over. Life is on a screen, innit?

Wanna sell the S-max? 🙃

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

It's my wife's car, I'll ask her.

@pashwesty3313

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN amazing 👌 thankyou

This was like top gear but for real. Ambistious but rubbish. Not in a bad way.

You look very short

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Pretty short, yeah (5ft 8in). Not sure what that has to do with anything, but thanks for the algorithm boost.

@jackcrews5391

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN my wording is pants, on my TV with your latest video, you looked miniature against, the ford and citroen.

ford rules all french junk 😂

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

When the S-Max has managed 513k miles, we'll talk. (Spoiler alert: It won't)

Mat Watson, get the heck out of here.

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Who's Mat Watson?

@deviatefishy

11 ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN Precisely.

Who buys a Ford car now ?

@UPnDOWN

11 ай бұрын

Quite a few still do, though not as many as before, granted.

@johnearle8095

3 ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with ford's they still have the best ride and handling set up than most other cars.

Great video 😂. I really want another Picasso. 🫣

@julienbee3467

11 ай бұрын

The mark 1 ?