If they claim this video, we should probably give a new case to Coffeezilla.

@hahahahahaha786

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure he has a video on ishowspeed already for his promotion of a pump and dump

@matthewyoho5422

Жыл бұрын

@@hahahahahaha786 He does, as do many other content creators on the platform.

@ashgamble1168

Жыл бұрын

seems more like an attorney Tom kinda gig

@itsmesteve1081

Жыл бұрын

He's probably been on this case since last year already. Look at the Logan Paul scam with the eggs. He was already investigating over a year prior to exposing Logan. It's just a matter of time now. Legal eagle and so many other KZread lawyers will probably get in on this too

_"yeah I am doing the crime but please stop talking about it"_ - speed Interesting choice

From everything I've seen about Ishowspeed, insufferable is an understatement. I'm not surprised.

@cynthiahembree3957

Жыл бұрын

He has been banned from any Riot game for life. I don't even think Tyler1 has managed that. For sexist comments might I add and then he turned around and tried to make it look like riots fault because someone allegedly said something racist in an incident that was completely separated from his ban

@justinb2824

Жыл бұрын

He's the Spongebob Squarepants of the streamer community.

@UltraTaka1

Жыл бұрын

@@cynthiahembree3957 Tyler was the original ‘banned by riot streamer’ back in like 2016, it stuck for a long time but they had a change of heart eventually, now they more or less claim him.

@Josie.770

Жыл бұрын

@@KallTech league of legends is free and doesn't use vanguard. Just don't play valorant if you're that afraid of their anti-cheat.

@lazyratto

Жыл бұрын

First time I heard about this guy he was streaming porn Mods to kids..so yea.

Speed has been in controversies since the day he started and nearly every KZreadr/Streamer keeps defending the man. It's finally good to see them not defending him anymore.

@RoseKindred

Жыл бұрын

Seems they are no longer defending him because he was the one going for their money. There are still a lot of people unfortunately that are defending this.

@ItsMeMonkeyDLuffy

Жыл бұрын

Speed is a joke, don’t know why this type of personality gets to this kind of fame. People will regret it eventually

@CaspianNomad

Жыл бұрын

If you abuse the copyright system KZread its the golden rule being broken. Guaranteed way to turn every community against you

@skeel77730

Жыл бұрын

but but he is only a child of 17 years old for the past 3 years he can't do anything wrong he a good boy

@Soyboy10

Жыл бұрын

@@ItsMeMonkeyDLuffy mostly kids probably

I got a copyright claim on a snippet of royalty-free music that I had purchased. I disputed it, stating that is was fair-use due to being royalty-free, and the copyright claim was removed. I think these phony companies get away with this mostly because creators are nervous about disputing them, but if the creator is definitely and unequivocajly in the right, they should always dispute the claim.

so it's really just "guilty until proven innocent, and to prove yourself innocent you need a huge amount of money"

@danialyousaf6456

Жыл бұрын

That's the legal system for you

@Prawnsly

Жыл бұрын

@@danialyousaf6456 literally :(

@TheChefGaming

Жыл бұрын

That's how the civil system works. It is a pay to play based system.

His admission was a bad idea. For those who are clearly not using his content, they could easily form a class action lawsuit and sue him into the ground.

@morbanmel

Жыл бұрын

I hope they do.

@Jchueire

Жыл бұрын

Exactly how I thought. Round up several people that were impacted by his moves and sue him.

@zimbu_

Жыл бұрын

The video mentions he was on TV in the UK. But if he's permanently residing in the US and someone with decent reach finds other US based KZreadrs to join in on class action, then could work out yes.

@MakerInMotion

Жыл бұрын

I hope so, but I would need to hear that from a lawyer. A copyright lawyer specifically. If Leonard French has made any videos on it, listen to whatever he says.

@sdc1767

Жыл бұрын

It's risky. If the lawsuits goes ass up, a random judge could set a legal precedent that ends the current understanding of fair use. If it's appealed to the supreme court it could end fair use until congress changes the laws. A lot of younger people don't understand how modern our understanding of fair use is. 15 years ago if you said I should be able to make money from uploading a video of me reacting to somebody else's content most people would think you were high.

I got a copyright claim years ago. Weird part was I created the song. I disputed it. I don't remember the name but I did some research and they seemed to make money off bogus copyright claims. So they are banking on people being too afraid to dispute it.

@johnpenguinthe3rd13

Жыл бұрын

I think what scares a lot of people is that they have to give out their REAL address when defending against bogus copyright claims... pretty much doxxing themselves. Not on this account, but on a new account I plan on uploading my own music by the end of this year. I'm looking into P.O Boxes so I don't have to give out my real address (I've heard about virtual P.O Boxes that directs your mail to a physical address in another state or country and they then redirect the mail to your real address. However, I have no clue if that is allowed when defending against bogus copyright claims. Currently looking into that).

It's just a hustle.for ishowspeed. Calling on his morality doesn't accomplish a thing, because he doesn't care. The only thing that will make him stop doing this, is when he stops making money off of it.

To shed some light on the relationship of copyright claims vs strikes discussed at 6:00 -- A copyright claim where the creator takes no action indeed does not equal a strike. On the screenshot shown, however, you can see "Dispute rejected" meaning the creator attempted to dispute the claim and was shut down. At this point, the creator's next option is to Appeal the rejection, and if that appeal is also rejected, at that point, they receive a strike. So copyright claims can become strikes if the creator attempts to dispute it, is rejected, appeals the rejection, and the appeal fails. I recently went through this when a band sampled the PS1 startup sound in a song, and then suddenly all my PS1 let's plays were getting copyright claimed and my disputes were rejected. I decided to Appeal, writing an essay about how that sound was created before this band existed, and even if anyone is going to claim their copyright on it, it should be Sony. Thankfully, the appeal was successful and I haven't had an issue since.

@TheDaniel746

Жыл бұрын

That is really scummy of em. I dont know why KZread still has copyright problems after a decade since the first time copyright becomes a massive thing/problem for KZread.

@nalcarya

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDaniel746 As Kira said multiple times in this video, it's not a problem of KZread or a problem KZread can fix. It's how the legal system is setup as easily abusable and not transparent is what the problem is. KZread is under no obligation to deal with that for anyone. Theoretically someone who's making honest fair use of copyrighted material should have no problem getting their shit reinstated, but to get to that fair assessment they'd have to go beyond KZread to the courts. And that costs money, time and energy almost no one has. So companies/people bank on that and just file all the claims they can.

@hanspecans

Жыл бұрын

So you can basically do the equivalent of swatting on KZread as much as you like.

@FranNyan

Жыл бұрын

@@mushyroom9569 It's a of a mix of both. In order to retain legal immunity under safe harbor provisions, youtube has to do certain things regarding copyright claims. That they make these claims all but impossible to fight, don't have humans reviewing things and require such a lopsided amount of doxing is on youtube. But the legal system is very much part of the problem. They have to show that they are taking action to remove what appear to be bad actors from the system, else they open themselves up to a shittone of legal liability.

@seancarroll9849

Жыл бұрын

Sterling (The Jimquisition) has an inventive way of dealing with such issues. It's called the 'Let them fight.' tactic. If you are fighting NINTENDO of all companies over the same video, you would drop the matter entirely, too. If Nintendo okays the video, why shouldn't you, right?

I’ve always had a negative stance towards speed and hoping he loses his platform. He’s had too many chances and the whole ‘he’s only young’ goes so far. If you’re so incompetent and irresponsible maybe this isn’t the thing for you?

Just another moment where I'm glad to say I never heard of that person until watching this video.

@onomatopoeia7505

Жыл бұрын

Seconded.

@jarigustafsson7620

Жыл бұрын

Lucky u.

“ but he’s just a kid” and he bout to learn what adult consequences are

@TheAtomicSpoon

Жыл бұрын

"Fuck around and find out" has no age limit.

@sdsd4108

Жыл бұрын

No he won’t cause he’s literally protected by a wall of 100k+ kids who will continue to watch his shit

Seems Like KZread could require claimants to identify themselves.

@dmacarthur5356

Жыл бұрын

I know right? They are sending their money to someone. Why not require them to register with YT with a business license number. After the Panama Papers most countries require the full list of anyone who receives money from a LLC so this could be easily identified as a legit copyright holder.

Remember when speed hosted alleged crypto scammers on his stream and his chat kept warning him as though he didn't know, and other streamers and youtubers made excuses for him as though he didn't know? How about we stop giving this man a free pass, and start shunning him?

@naosou921

Жыл бұрын

Who is "we"? I don't watch his stuff. I never did, and I will continue not doing it. I imagine you don't watch him either. Hell, I reckon most people in Kira's community doesn't watch him. There is basically no intersection of communities here. KaiCenai, IShowSpeed, Adin Ross, BruceDropEmOff... These people have a very separate community from the rest of streamers. It is very insular, and they are going to continue to watch their stuff regardless of all this, they don't care.

@naosou921

Жыл бұрын

@@KallTech Alright, other than attacking me for no apparent reason, what exactly do you suggest? Like I said, their communities do not intersect. The "W community", as they call themselves, doesn't give a shit about what any of those guys do. What are other streamers supposed to do that would actually matter?

@medea27

Жыл бұрын

@@naosou921 I suspect that the streamers/KZreadrs that the OP was referring to are ones that overlap communities... there were big gamers like xQc & that crowd that played with iShowSpeed at the time of the crypto BS and were giving him the 'free pass'. It would matter to _their_ viewers to hear those big streamers calling him out for this crap instead of waving it away with a "oh he's only young" excuse... and there are plenty of fans who have a foot in both communities.

@dontron6992

Жыл бұрын

That fake ass Ronaldo will never not be hilarious.

@TheLarryDungeon

Жыл бұрын

@@naosou921 Who is we? the Nintendo Wii? I know that shit ain't right. I know u ain't mean US? Cause only US I think of is the U.S

It seems to me that a pattern of filing erroneous claims and denying the initial appeal to countless streamers should constitute a breach of the system and potentially cause legal action. But, of course, nobody in the criminal system will bother....

@dougray30

Жыл бұрын

P.S. what I think doesn't matter, since I've never even heard of this guy and he's got 15 million subscribers.

@fluffrier

Жыл бұрын

Who knows. At some point maybe the abuse will get serious enough that a class action lawsuit will be filed and break some corp's bank as example.

@dougray30

Жыл бұрын

@@fluffrier The Feds taking it up with criminal or civil action would be better, as they have much deeper pockets to fight with.

@boldCactuslad

Жыл бұрын

as these platforms become larger the chance of some business/group/rich man - or a fan who happens to be a lawyer in need of some pro bono fame - filing suit grows. One year we'll have mountains of civil and criminal suit content to watch.

@FranNyan

Жыл бұрын

We just have to hope he pisses off the riiight sort of person with good legal connections and deep pockets who are willing to go after him with every dollar of spite they have.

Saw that video yesterday and my God, him being young cannot be an excuse forever. He is ultimately still doing horrible stuff and cashing in by taking advantage of YT's horrible copyright system. I hope he gets banned, loses everything, and comes back a better person starting from the ground

@urgae9125

Жыл бұрын

Literally, I’m the same age as him, I know better. I knew he fucked up over the NFT scam he did, people need to take off the training wheels for him.

@freyja4818

Жыл бұрын

He's not 13. He's an adult now, we don't let adults commit fraud.

He can admit it because he knows nothing is going to happen to him

The biggest gripe with this whole copyright thing is that anyone and their grandmom can file a copyright claim. How is it that unverified nobodys can just do that? It's insane. Also at some point mentioning speeds age is getting old, don't you think? He's been a content creator for years and should be much smarter about this stuff by now. He has no excuse if he keeps continuing doing the same mistake over and over again. Plus he has a whole crew behind him now that's supposed to educate and prevent him from going completely apeshit.

Speed is a freakin PRIME candidate to be turned into a lolcow. I cant believe it hasnt happened yet, he would be such an excellent lolcow

@readilium3432

Жыл бұрын

He would just claim all the videos of people mocking him

Even QuantumTV is notorious for this!

@denniskarlsson6173

Жыл бұрын

Ugh don't remind me of that snake

The fact that people willingly watch stuff from this speed-dude really, really makes me sad.

@sdsd4108

Жыл бұрын

The man is entertaining especially for kids.Go to one of his streams and chances are you will not be bored unlike 99% of other streamers

@syndan9245

Жыл бұрын

​@@sdsd4108 you sound like an enabler

My original YT channel was copyright claimed by a company that existed solely to claim-attack videos. I had lost access to it due to a glitch when Google took over YT, and it took years to get back into my account. Imagine my surprise to find that my video had not only been claimed by a company that didn't own the music used, but they had MONETISED my video and been making money off of it the whole time I was gone. When reading the terms of disputing the claim, I discovered that all they had to do was reply with "Nuh uh, it's mine." to get my whole channel shut down. Lie or not. I walked away from making anything on YT. What was the point? Anyone could just take what I made, so why bother?

@cornishcat11

Жыл бұрын

that is fucking brutal mate

@keccakec

Жыл бұрын

@@jaystatiion He probably means when Google was integrated like 5-6 years ago.

@lothwicke

Жыл бұрын

@@jaystatiion While the buyout did happen that far back, I was referring to when a Google account became mandatory for YT interaction, which was somewhere in the vicinity of 10 years ago. I regained access to my account in 2016, I think? Anyways, believe it or don't. Have the best day!

Remember when he was being racist towards Asian people during the world cup? Amazing how people forget and have double standards

@nunpho

Жыл бұрын

Yep plus how he had that fake Ronaldo, fake ps5 giveaway, gambling and other scams 🤦🏻‍♀️. All while screaming. I don't know how people can watch him

@SvendleBerries

Жыл бұрын

@@nunpho Something Ive learned in my life is that there are a great number of people out there that are just stupid. Far too many, really. Its why people like Speed can get where they are. Its why prank channels were extremely popular for a while. Its why "reality" TV took over every decent tv channel. People are morons.

@cornishcat11

Жыл бұрын

@@SvendleBerries most of the human race summed up in a few lines. well done

@thetruestar6348

Жыл бұрын

He is cough a certain color cough so he is a victim in all situations

@MiniDallas000

Жыл бұрын

@@SvendleBerries The Mainstream

Literally never heard of Speed before, insane that he's so big and getting away with shit like this

@missquake

Жыл бұрын

He did worse

@sdsd4108

Жыл бұрын

He’s uncancelable and don’t think he will be going away any time soon

Perhaps one step closer to the solution would be that the entity that have their video claimed gets more information on the claimant, so it will at least be a level playing field. If I get to get for example Kira's full personal info, it would only be fair if he got mine. Why should I get to claim his videos virtually anynomous, but he can't counterclaim anynomously?

@kirareacts

Жыл бұрын

In terms of the counter claim being anonymous that can't legally be the case. But I agree you should get the initial claimaints info. You technically do, since the company is the claimant and if its registered you can look it up... the issue is abusers can make a fake company name.

@biggusdickus1234

Жыл бұрын

@@kirareacts There should be some kind of verification that it's an actual company doing the claiming, honestly.

KZreadrs need to start a shared fund to fight this BS, or maybe insurance for countering claims. That would kill these false claims FAST

@hauntedshadowslegacy2826

Жыл бұрын

A shared fund was started when H3H3 was dealing with their own onslaught of copyright abuse. Dunno if the fund is still around or if anyone's been authorized to draw from it since then, but it did exist at one point at the very least.

@syndan9245

Жыл бұрын

​@HauntedShadowsLegacy nope, got dissolved pretty much instantly as there was no cash from the gofundme left. Especially nowadays h3h3 couldn't care less anymore

Instead of KZread letting them claim the entire video and them getting the entire revenue for that video. What KZread should do is tell them they are getting the percentage of said video where their stuff was supposedly used, especially if KZread can tell what percentage of the “copyrighted” content was used. That itself would probably deter most people from going nuts with copyright claims because they won’t get the entire ad revenue for that video itself.

I never knew who speed was until his crypto scam. In only a few minutes of looking him up, all I could find was a screaming knucklehead that plots and plans drama and getting himself banned, as a business strategy. I am trying to care about this video because it's Kira.

we had something similar happening in internet Germany less than a year ago. A streamer copyright striked "exposed" type videos and their reactions where he got critizied, immediately sending ripples through the whole community as he effectively opened pandoras box, something the reaction scene has considered an unwritten rule never to do. This system gives people power to silence critizism about them because nobody wants to lose their channel. 3 strikes and you're out

I filed a counter claim once and it just got ignored by YT.

@miciso666

Жыл бұрын

cuz yt doesnt lose money... if anything they gain money as far as i know.

@Homiloko2

Жыл бұрын

YT is not supposed to interfere. If they interfere with a DMCA claim, they can get sued. It's how the DMCA law works. When you filed a counter claim, you're basically asking the person who claimed your video to give up. It's their choice to ignore it. If you want to contest, you have to take them to court. Yes, it is ridiculous, but it's not really YT's fault, it's the broken copyright laws.

Kira: the watermark they add when they steal your video is most likely one of many tactics to confuse the automated content ID system. Adding watermarks, background music, and zooming in randomly (see "cops" on KZread) is just a way to confuse the automated copy id system.

@TheFakeyCakeMaker

Жыл бұрын

No it's not, it's not the 90s any more.

@Weggorino

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFakeyCakeMaker When was any of this happening in the 90's? Are you lost?

Right. Someone needs to make a commentary on Kira's video if he gets copy-blighted. And if that one gets copy-blighted, someone else make another, etc. Ultimately I wanna see 5 hour long video with dozens of tiny commentary cams windows ❤

This stuff has to be poorly enforced because I've seen at least a dozen channels that upload Joe Rogan podcast clips unedited and get millions of views. Spotify exclusive stuff. The only sanctioned youtube clips are on his official channel. How does a huge company like Spotify not crush them like bugs?

He's one I've heard of since he started and never understood how he either got big or what people saw in him. I still think the same. If he's like this with his content then wouldn't it just be better to leave him be and never talk about him?

@danialyousaf6456

Жыл бұрын

He's a kid, it makes sense he'd attract other kids to his channel/stream as well. The whole acting like a dog, barking and screaming is really degrading and the fact he doesn't realize that shows how braindead he is. He's acting subhuman for his fans entertainment.

It's the "We investigated ourselves and found ourselves innocent" trope all over again ffs

Dudes openly racist and has scammed his community, now this? How is he possibly still this popular??

@SleepySloth2705

Жыл бұрын

His channel pulls in millions of subs and views, making him the ultimate golden goose for youtube

@gemodorgon

Жыл бұрын

It seems the meta is to be the biggest most gapingest arsehole so people talk about you. Controversy is money.

@TheAtomicSpoon

Жыл бұрын

Because kids are stupid. That's why.

The aspect I don't understand is why are the copyright claimers given so much power when it's two entities that both are claiming the content, so why does one entity get an unfair advantage? One entity says "that's my content" and KZread is required to assume credibility of the claim. Why then can't the other entity also say "that's my content" and be given equal credibility by KZread?

Sucks about the G9, man. It's really a great monitor so hope you can get it solved.

speed made his career off of shock content so im not surprised to find that he's lacking severely in moral fibre

The one video i have ever made for YT got claimed as soon as i uploaded it for using copyright free music. As i had nothing to loose i decided to fight it and responded. This gave the claimant 30 days to respond to which of course they didnt and it was dropped. I truely believe it was a fake company just claiming to make the 30 days of revenue and as it didnt make any money it wasnt worth their time. Put me off creating any more videos after that.

@johnpenguinthe3rd13

Жыл бұрын

When you put in the dispute, did you have to supply all your personal info (real name , address, etc?) or is that only if they respond before the end of the 30 days?

@dubydoomk2859

Жыл бұрын

@@johnpenguinthe3rd13 I did yes, i used a address they could contact on my behalf

nice ishowscam thumbnail. ps. he says "bruh" at 30 wpm to prove his innocence

You'll have to update us all if this video gets claimed too. This is a ridiculous story.

Amazing, never heard of him.

@cleanerben9636

Жыл бұрын

same.

@Stepatee

Жыл бұрын

Welp...now you have.

@Swellington_

Жыл бұрын

Me neither and I’m glad

@peger

Жыл бұрын

i think he promote some nft or crypto scam

@Liondanceforme

Жыл бұрын

@@peger wasnt he in that one stream with the fake ronaldo? might be wrong

Something that bugs me about KZread's copyright system. I once got a strike and the strike mentioned exactly which videos need to be taken down but what was left out was what aspect of the videos were the cause of needing to strike. I had to watch videos of KZreadrs who had the same situation as me to get an idea of why this was happening. I took the videos down but I will still never understand why the company could have claimed/blocked the videos and sent me a message to take them down for whatever reason.

You'd think with all the money he's stealing, he could afford a shirt.

Pinely had that video, "how to steal a youtube video" it's a good one

I get being in KZread’s shoes, and the liability parameters they must work with, but this is downright insane. I’m a Mangaka and the thought of someone getting my royalties for original work… nope. That’s not just immoral, but a precedent that will eventually result in someone or people going down in flames. Oof made me sick to my stomach

Speed is gonna be the next Jake Paul, isn't he?

@nunpho

Жыл бұрын

Well he already is a scammer

@jarigustafsson7620

Жыл бұрын

FUCK NO

wow, stuff like this is why I haven't tried to become a YTer.

8:35 there's a huge issue with corporate copyright trolls whose large chunk of income is false claims, and since most people don't bother to verify if it is indeed the company which owns said content they run rampant. There's also another scummy practice but it's at least not illegal so I aint gonna talk about it

Problem is always the same, its perjury to file false claim, nobody does anything.

I posted of a video of a small indie game on youtube that was copyright claimed for music. The music they were claiming was a classical piece, which by it's age might be public domain, but by performance may not be. Luckily the game provided credits for who the piece was performed by, I could verify it was a public domain performance, so I went all in on "fight me bro". The initial appeal for a copyright claim is sent directly to the people that placed the copyright claim against you - not sure how many people know this. The company rejected my appeal since they felt they confidently owned the piece. This is where it gets spicy. You do have the option to escalate the claim, however, in doing so you have to agree to terms that you understand you will be open to legal action for the validity of your appeal. You need to provide your actual real information (name, address, etc). This information is given to the company that copyright claimed me, though I never received any information about the company besides their name. It is a very scary thing to click through that process. Everything about the process is framed to dissuade you from escalating your appeal. I rode the "fuck it" train all the way to the last station, and the other side backed out (at the last minute of course cuz fuck me and the horse I rode in on). So I prevailed. But I mean goddam. It's not easy. It's not fun.

@hanspecans

Жыл бұрын

It’s almost like the system is created to favor rich criminals.

@toobig7150

Жыл бұрын

what if i dont even live in the US? What would i have to fear? (EU btw)

@johnpenguinthe3rd13

Жыл бұрын

QUESTIONS: 1) Are you allowed to supply them with a P.O Box and NOT your home address? 2) Are you allowed to supply them with an address from a mail forwarding system (they are kind of / sort of like a P.O Box, but it's a normal physical address and they receive your mail and they then redirect your mail to your real address. I used one company like that years ago when ordering stuff online which was based in Germany and they redirected my stuff to North America).

@bunnerkins

Жыл бұрын

@@johnpenguinthe3rd13 From what I recall, it was made clear to me that the information I was providing was not about contacting me, it was an attestation of my identify. Like, I attest that I am this person, and that I am known to reside in this location.

it would sure suck if a bunch of naughty people copyright struck his channel into a crater. but this is the internet. you dont have to piss off everyone. just a few people.

The FTX jumper is the real talking point of the video for me . Dont know if he is in on the meme or it is just plain irony.

I had a copyright claim on a video due to some music. The one I used and their claim were both based on a song from Zelda but were completely different songs. I disputed the claim and got no reply for 28 days until the claim was removed by default. Thankfully I'm not monetized but that video wouldn't have made a penny because this company decided to go with the false claim.

@johnpenguinthe3rd13

Жыл бұрын

So if a fake company decides to claim a video and it's disputed and after 28 - 30 days they decide to not reply (which removes the claim) even if the video hit (for example) 10 million views and the creator is monetized, they do NOT make any money off the video's first 30 days because of the fake copyright claim which I guess eliminated all potential revenue for that period?

The thing that sucks is at this point there's really nothing that can be done that would matter specifically to ISS. He's rich, and even if he managed to get himself cancelled, he's set for life. But hopefully something can be done with YT so that in the future people are protected from someone like this.

To fix the problem all KZread needs to do is demand those who claim to have a copyright show proof of it.

@Toastybees

Жыл бұрын

They legally can't. Blame the DMCA, it says content that is claimed must be taken down immediately to prevent any further harm to the owner (it assumes anyone claiming is in the right). If they demanded proof they would be liable for any lost revenue in the time between the claim and takedown. Also there is legal precedent that says once you own something you are under no obligation to prove ownership unless challenged by legal authorities, or else you would constantly have to defend your ownership. If you buy something at Walmart you legally don't have to show your receipt to the door person on the way out. It's out of their hands unless they want to be liable for damages on every stolen video. If you want it changed, you have to change how DMCA works.

@hauntedshadowslegacy2826

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@@Toastybees At the very least, KZread should get three forms of good contact information from a would-be claimant before the claimant can actually make a claim. It's not about proof, it's about ensuring KZread doesn't get sued for allowing false claims on their platform- y'know like BUNGIE DID! Because KZread is currently a safe harbor for criminal activity. The very least they could do that doesn't step on the toes of copyright owners is require three forms of contact for distribution when a claim is disputed. When a dispute comes through, KZread should hand all contact info from BOTH sides to each other and dust their hands of it. Only requiring contact info from one party is biased and has resulted in the dumpster fire we've been seeing for the past ten or so years.

@DaMu24

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Lolno

@Toastybees

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@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 It's not bias, it's literally how the law is written. KZread has to take down claimed material immediately, period, to prevent further harm to the claimant. There is no legal way around this.

I had a live stream on my channel one time it got copyright claimed. It was a song in the background of one of the people in the call. You had to turn it all the way up to hear anything at all. I figured no one is going to watch a 8 hour live stream from a 100 ish sub channel so I just deleted it. On my crafting channel I was doing a audiobook/crafting stream and only used public domain audio books and someone was claming them so I responded something like “i wish there was a way to report people to KZread for constantly falsely claiming videos and them loose the right to make claims after 3 false claims.” like magic they dropped the claim. Each and every time. So incredibly annoying.

I saw this last night. The sad part, according to law, "Fair Use" is not a guarantee that you can use anyone else's content. It is a defense/justification. There are the "Fair Use Test" or tenets that courts consider but arguments have been made that by making money (ad revenue) the content is no longer considered Fair Use because you are making a profit. So then Transformative has to be considered. The law is so patched together that even copyright attornies have difficulty and it can all rely on the judge you get. You can also be overly aggressive in enforcing your copyright, but you have to decide if is it worth the backlash. I keep bringing up an "artist" who takes photos offline, deletes the comments, and prints on canvas to sell for 100K. He has won almost every copyright case from professional models, photographers, and unfortunately, the everyday person cannot bring it to court due to costs.

@Sniperbear13

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there are factors that do have to be made clear such as was its Transformative? IE does it do enough to be considered a new work? with photography a lot has to be taken into consideration such as the framing of the photo, the level of exposure, and so on. its really a mess.

@Shinobin333

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From the video it seems that Speed seems to also send claim to people for mentioning his name WITHOUT any footage. I don't think that "Fair Use" isn't even necessary for that. There was NO USE.

@Sniperbear13

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@@Shinobin333 his name is not copyrighted, so no that would be a gross violation.

@RoseKindred

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@@Sniperbear13 I agree, it's such a mess. In my example above, the "artist" just downloads the image, deletes comments, and puts a phrase or comment as if he was the original poster, then proceeds to print it on canvas. Sometimes this has actually damaged the original person, such as a woman who posted the picture, he put in a smexy comment and it caused issues because she is not that "outgoing." He even took from a professional modeling agency. It typically boils down to who can spend more in court, and Speed here can definitely outspend all the people he claims.

ESO recently made a video talking about this. Apparently there's a bunch of companies with 1-3 employees sending these fake DMCA claims and stealing ad revenue and no one is doing anything to stop them. It is insane.

50 bucks I says speed ends up in jail in less than 5 years for some dumb shit. Im calling it right now.

Asmongold and Charlie said that you can clip your heart out of their videos. Much respect to these two. Also Kira's video are always so enlightening =)

@ThePeoplesElbow2013

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Hasan's has also said he actually likes that clip channels can make money off of his content, I would even say he lightly encourages it on stream from time to time when his twitch chat brings it up.

@sameerdodger

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@@ThePeoplesElbow2013 He doesn't even 'lightly' encourage it, he endorses it. he understands the difference between him reacting to something and sharing his opinion, to people making original content. He allows anybody to clip and make money from his channel. All react youtubers should have the philosophy imo.

@pizzlerot2730

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I honestly don't understand why people defend this behavior. These clip channels aren't "making original content," and what they do make does NOT fall under fair use. They literally clip streams from Twitch, *maybe* put an intro or outro banner in there, and post it wholesale. That's theft. It's just theft, there's no way around it. And the fact that Charlie and whoever don't care enough to go after them doesn't mean that it's okay to do, that's an absolute braindead argument. Kira literally just showed everyone here how much of a systemic problem clip channels are, and there are still people defending them in the comments... I can't even 🤦🏼‍♂️

the easiest way to stop these claims is to put a $100 fee to do it, the winner of the claim takes the $100 so if a company is sending out thousands of claims hoping just to grab the money from the easy fruit, then they would have to put the money up to start each claim and if your claim is genuine then you would be willing to pay the $100

Imagine if someone randomly started claiming speeds ad revenue, he would absolutely flip his shit.

They need to use the Jim Sterling solution. The way KZread's copyright system works is that when two or more competing claims are on a video, no claiment gets any of that ad revenue. So, you do what Jim Sterling did. You intentionally plant content from letigious companies in your videos (Nintendo and Konami for example), when talking about people or topics you know will get claimed and no one will get the revenue. If you can manage a sponsor on the video even better, but at a minimum you'll deny the trolls. I still think KZreadrs should set up separate companies they own, then claim thier own videos as soon as they post them - which you would of course never contest. Because it's you. The ad revenue would also go to you - via the company you own. And on the off chance it is claimed elsewhere, the claims would compete and block others from taking it.

The solution is, take them to court. If legal costs are too high (which might very well be the case) don't do it as a single youtuber, but as a group, I'm not a lawyer neither from the US, but if enough people were afffected a Class Action might be a way to keep the costs lower. Waiting (and hoping) for KZread to do something is just... waiting for Godot, it would take too much work for little to no gain.

People seem to forget that copyright law is basically written by the film (disney) and music industry. Even if KZread wanted to lean more into defending the accused, armies of corporate lawyers would suit up and start doing so much paperwork it'll damage the Amazon rainforest

Regarding copyright claims 6:30 : It would be interesting if somebody made a monetized video which is a compilation of clips of various other content creators. Now what would happen if each of those, let's say 50 or 100 shown content creators, would file a copyright claim. Who would get the revenue. Is it split, first come - first served, nobody? Always interesting to look at fringe cases in half-assed rulesets.

someone is harassing angry joe with dmca. he cant figure it out yet. they claimed nudity on his top 10 games video and others

Ishowspeed is the embodiment of loud=funny.

GROSS This needs more attention.. It needs to be spammed on Twitter and KZread. No one should have to just accept the fact that there's a millionaire bully trying to ruin people's livelihood on this platform. Keep talking about this - Keep bringing attention to this.

Hoo boy, this brings back memories. A decade or so ago, around 2013-2014, I remember a similar situation with all of the "Mystery Science Theater 3000" videos being copyright claimed by a 3rd party company. The weird part was that in the end it turned out the original owners weren't involved at all. MST3k was a 90's show that was on Comedy Central and the SyFy channel. Basically, you would have three guys watching bad movies and making fun of them. It wasn't uncommon for some of the episodes to regularly be taken down due to copyright strikes due to some of the weird legal issues (some of the movies they watched that were regularly removed were classic rubber suit "Godzilla versus a monster" like Godzilla versus Megalon). But the weird part was that it wasn't just those specific episodes being removed, it was nearly all of them. The company that owned the rights to MST3k (Best Brains, Inc.) wasn't behind the removals either. After a little digging it turned out that the company responsible for the copyright strikes wasn't connected to Best Brains, Inc. at all. This company's entire business model basically boiled down to them going around and copyright striking videos for content they thought violated the copyright rules, and then going to the original owner of that content to show them how much of their stuff was being "stolen" by other channels. This 3rd party company would then try to get a deal with the original creator where the content creator would pay the company every month to have them go around and remove videos so the content creator wouldn't have to worry about it. So channels were having videos claimed by a company that didn't even have a copyright claim to the very content they were claiming.

That's rough about the monitor issues, good luck with that!

Stuff needs to be done differently. They know people are copyright-claiming stuff they have no business to. No claim or strike should be able to go through until it's manually reviewed.

I swear I could listen you talk all day mate. You have a very calming voice

Love the thumbnail Kira, looks like Keenan Thompson from an "All That" sketch.

I remember something like this happened to a youtube musician called The Fat Rat. Someone claimed his song, "The Calling" was theirs and his video, that was getting millions of views, was loosing a lot of money to some company that had taken his song, made their remix and then claimed his original work as their own.

KZreadrs need to grow a set and start taking these companies to court. When those companies lose, they can cover your court costs. They will stop after enough cases where they lose money

18:28 You didn't talk enough in this video Kira. LOL Solid reaction!

for the keeping the video up, i would recommend, that the claimant has to say a price to YT, and put it to YT. that can be disputed by the video produce, who than has to put the amount to YT if he still wants to have it up for that price (he/she can say no, even if they think they win, to get the money the other party say it is worth). and the money goes to the winning party in the court battle.

Well done Kira. Great coverage.

This is a hugely important topic. You always have a balanced professional approach in your analysis, and it’s extremely helpful to fellow creators. This platform is a better place with you on it, Kira.

That look you give to the camera at the end should be a gif

I saw the thumbnail and it startled me a little, I even jumped a tad bit 😂😂

I had never heard of this ISlowspeed before but I assume that his viewers are teenagers and wouldn't care.

You should look at the various Joe Rogan clippers. I am still surprised that there are so many of them. Knowing he is in spotify and I think there is only one official JRE in youtube.

Can we get an update on how fast he claims this video think i saw his face in one of the tweets LOL

man this just makes me so glad i 'gave up' on having a youtube/twitch career, what a nightmare also man. this is just what happens when you give a 19 year old idiot insane amounts of power over other people

Nice screen-ception at 9:38 where Speed's video is 5 layers down.

It's like he picking on ppl who are smaller than him

It's very simple. If there are hundreds of thousands of dollars, or even millions, at stake here, the aggrieved content creators need to find a class action attorney and sue the company and ishowspeed. They should be able to get an injunction to stop this from happening and get most of the stolen funds returned (with the attorney's of course getting a sizeable chunk of it). That's it. They are violating US law, and can be held accountable in court. If they don't bother suing, nothing will happen. ishowspeed should also be concerned with this, because if they actually sue and win, that could lead to YT banning him for violating their policies, which would end his current career.

I heard about him a few months ago from Coffeezilla when he was promoting a crypto scam. I’m living in a different dimension, those view counts are high yet I’ve never seen one of his videos.

IshowScams still scamming.

He is trying to silence anyone talking shit about him. Can't have anyone shit talking if all videos that mention you are claimed.

Not wearing a shirt on stream should be enough to get kicked off YT by itself.

I am glad that you defended KZread to some extent. The law as it stands - where someone publishing user submitted content isn't liable for copyright claims - is basically the only reason that KZread or platforms like it can exist at all. Without that law, no one would ever run a streaming site, because it would be far too much of a liability to ever be worth it. Can recommend Legal Eagle's "KZreadr Extortion? MxR Plays v. Jukin" video which goes into the DMCA a bit more.

@hauntedshadowslegacy2826

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But KZread is acting like an enforcer. They're just getting away with it because they're only enforcing for one side. It just so happens that the one side is clearly able to then use the one-sided enforcement to commit crimes en mass. KZread has gotten sued for it by Bungie, but once is not enough. We need smaller creators to band together and start a class action.

@FTZPLTC

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​@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 KZread isn't acting like the enforcer, they're just doing what the law requires of them. I know that sounds callous but it's true. And you're right: we DO need creators to band together and start a class action suit. It's a lot of hassle but, regrettably, that is the system that exists and that allows a site like KZread to host so much content without being responsible for what it hosts.

Why are a lot of the most popular people on this site such bad people.

i have to wonder if that Bungie lawsuit ever happened. or did it just fade into the nether?

I literally have never heard of Speed except when he was promoting a crypto scam a few months ago (and smashed a bunch of PS5s for good measure) and then later of course claimed to have no idea about it being a scam.