The Biggest Coward On The Titanic You’ve Never Heard About, But You Saw His Car In The Movie

That 1912 Renault Type CB Coupe de Ville that is featured in James Cameron’s 1997 Titanic film really was on the Titanic. It wasn’t just placed there so that Rose and Jack could get it on. In real-life, it was the only car listed on Titanic’s cargo manifest and there has been so much talk about this car and whether it can be found. Can it operate if it is found?
Well, the real story isn’t about that car. It’s about the couple who owned that car.
The man’s name was William E. Carter. He was from Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania and he was rich. He didn’t work hard for his money. He was born into it. And it seemed like a lot of good things came easily to him. One of those good things was his wife. Her name was Lucile. She was said to have been one of the most beautiful women in her native Baltimore - really among all of the society women of her day. And William snatched her up and was able to call Lucile his own.
She was also traveling on the Titanic with William. And so were their two children. The entire family made it safely off of the Titanic. They were all rescued. And in the immediate days following the disaster, both William and his wife were heralded as heroes in the press for the brave actions that they took after Titanic hit the iceberg.
And if that was the entire truth about their story, I wouldn’t be talking about it here. Because that’s boring. That’s just history. But this is Hot Mess History - where we dig into the dirty side of history. The stuff that they typically don’t put in people’s obituaries.
Today, we’re going to take a look at the story of a Titanic family who traveled first class. They had a lot of money, but were led by someone who didn’t seem to have a lot of morals.
This is the story of the wealthy and well-connected William E. Carter and the lovely Lucile and the real truth about what happened to them on the Titanic and after the Titanic.
This is a story that proves that having it all, isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be - and that even though we get the story straight from the horse’s mouth…that doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s the truth.
You'll hear a firsthand account of one couple’s hours of heroic actions - a story that was printed and read all over the world…that turned out to be only partially true.
It’s another Hot Mess History scandal from Ti. Your source for the hottest scandals from 1870 - 1940. Whether you are looking for scandals from The Gilded Age, The Titanic, or The Great Depression…you can find them on this channel.
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  • @TisHotMessHistory
    @TisHotMessHistory14 күн бұрын

    To see more Titanic passenger scandals, enjoy this playlist: kzread.info/head/PLJTOm-WxzySlrsFX1TeN3-KAUdWm6mqgT To see this video about Madeleine Astor that I mentioned at the end of this one, click here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gXiNj9OiddGZkc4.html

  • @charliebuck-bc9cz

    @charliebuck-bc9cz

    5 күн бұрын

    He was piece of crap a Erica spoiled piece of crap

  • @DeidreL9
    @DeidreL94 күн бұрын

    My great great uncle died on the Titanic. I’m pleased to say he was a gentleman, and brave. They must have been terrified, just TERRIFIED. God rest their souls❤️

  • @JoeMicalizziMPC
    @JoeMicalizziMPC12 күн бұрын

    Congratulations in NOT using an A I voice to narrate this video. You did a great job!

  • @larrybailey7669

    @larrybailey7669

    10 күн бұрын

    I agree, I love hearing a real person's voice.

  • @daddynme

    @daddynme

    8 күн бұрын

    Except it’s pronounced “Ray - no” not “Runault”

  • @TheProfessorNM

    @TheProfessorNM

    8 күн бұрын

    Hate AI voice I always change the video

  • @victorcarrillo1570

    @victorcarrillo1570

    7 күн бұрын

    Maybe an AI would've got to the point quicker without all that boring crap.

  • @AJdet-2

    @AJdet-2

    6 күн бұрын

    That was AI 😊

  • @jimpalmer1969
    @jimpalmer19695 күн бұрын

    My grandfather had a ticket for the Titanic. He was 9 years old at the time. He was with his mother, father and younger brother. They had been living in New London South Africa while my great grandfather was head of sales for Moline Plow S. Africa. They were taking a ship from S. Africa to the U.K. but the ship was late getting to the U.K. causing them to miss the Titanic sailing. My grandfather was very interested in the Titanic story and lived long enough to see the first submersible to see the wreck of the Titanic. Years ago I was telling this story to a co-worker, he replied and said his grandmother had the exact same story.

  • @muckle8

    @muckle8

    Күн бұрын

    @jimpalmer1969 a very small world! I still believe that’s the Olympic down there though .

  • @SciHeartJourney
    @SciHeartJourney9 күн бұрын

    "I have a child!" - Billy Zane in Titanic 🤣

  • @usainengland
    @usainengland14 күн бұрын

    I met the great granddaughter of a Titanic passenger. It was a really meaningful accident. I was talking to my friend in her shop. The movie had just come out. I told my friend that I wouldn’t the film because I was ambivalent about people capitalising on such a tragedy. A customer turned to me and said, “Thank you, I appreciate that you are considering the deaths. My great grandmother died on the Titanic.” Of course I was shocked. She hugged me. “You are an exceptional person.” Even remembering this encounter makes me tearful. I feel so fortunate and saddened to regard history differently from most people. Love your channel. Keep educating people. The Past matters.

  • @donnix1192

    @donnix1192

    13 күн бұрын

    My great grandfather was Titanic crewman and survivor, Albert Horswill. I always wondered what he would have thought about the Titanic Entertainment Complex, and the use of a tragedy for entertainment.

  • @usainengland

    @usainengland

    13 күн бұрын

    @@donnix1192 Thanks for your reply. I can’t even imagine how conflicted family members may feel. I am truly grateful to any ancestors of Titanic passengers that speak up. Sometimes tragedy shouldn’t be made into a money-making display. Sending you my best wishes.

  • @Pope6006

    @Pope6006

    13 күн бұрын

    Yeah... I met John the Baptist too on the Titanic!!!

  • @usainengland

    @usainengland

    12 күн бұрын

    @@Pope6006 You are just a sad, mistrustful person. Sometimes people share the wealth of their life experiences online. Too bad you assume the worst.

  • @zombiedoggie2732

    @zombiedoggie2732

    12 күн бұрын

    it was the James Cameron movie Titanic that got me interested in the ship itself, the stories on her, and other ships as well. It started my passion for maritime history. Rest assured, I am far from the only one that got their start on the movie to find more about her passengers. Not everyone is fangirling over Jack and Rose. Some of us, fangirl over the ship.

  • @robertmccracken6930
    @robertmccracken69306 күн бұрын

    Leaving your money to your wife only on the condition that she never remarries is exactly the super ego type of thing I would expect from the wealthy of that time.

  • @margaretr5701

    @margaretr5701

    4 күн бұрын

    The reason for requesting your widow doesn't remarry, was because in those times, women weren't allowed to control their own money, so if she remarried, it left her hands and was controlled by the new husband. This would likely take wealth from the deceased husbands family, into the new husbands family, or businesses, or even lost to high risk ventures, even gambling.

  • @David-dh9fk

    @David-dh9fk

    3 күн бұрын

    His money, his choice.

  • @Princess-us5so

    @Princess-us5so

    3 күн бұрын

    ​@@David-dh9fk Yeah well we have choices too. I will not be controlled even after his death that's for sure if that was me

  • @erfahren

    @erfahren

    2 күн бұрын

    "wealthy nobility" is an oxymoron

  • @pennierkaide4985
    @pennierkaide498514 күн бұрын

    Lucille trying to find a biscuit to stuff in her son's mouth to keep him quiet so she can think about what do🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    14 күн бұрын

    I can only imagine how many things were going through her mind at that moment. LOL!

  • @SmilerORocker

    @SmilerORocker

    14 күн бұрын

    Kept seeing your comment while watching.... kept picturing Lucille Ball 😂😂😂 👍🇮🇪

  • @InLoveWith41

    @InLoveWith41

    13 күн бұрын

    Like boy our ship just sank. Thank God, shut up and be well. Kids don't care 😂

  • @countessAugusta

    @countessAugusta

    12 күн бұрын

    😂​@@SmilerORocker

  • @samanthabenavides4319

    @samanthabenavides4319

    12 күн бұрын

    Almost relatable 😂

  • @billwillson890
    @billwillson8906 күн бұрын

    Cowards are known to be good at survival

  • @user-xb1sc2fw2j

    @user-xb1sc2fw2j

    5 күн бұрын

    And fools are good at dying.

  • @mikekinsella2822

    @mikekinsella2822

    5 күн бұрын

    @@user-xb1sc2fw2j Would you rather be a live coward or a dead hero?

  • @markgarrett3647

    @markgarrett3647

    Күн бұрын

    ​@@user-xb1sc2fw2jPsycho

  • @rosealexander9007
    @rosealexander900712 күн бұрын

    I cant imagine changing my clothes 5 times a day. That's absurd.

  • @Txl8y817

    @Txl8y817

    9 күн бұрын

    I'm right there with you. But in the reality of that time, they really had nothing better to do.

  • @rosealexander9007

    @rosealexander9007

    9 күн бұрын

    @@Txl8y817 lol I guess you are right.

  • @emilytaege

    @emilytaege

    9 күн бұрын

    Well in their defense, when I am on a cruise ship I as a normal layperson probably change three times a day - a normal outfit for breakfast, a SCANDALOUS two-piece swimsuit around noon, and then something kind of nice for dinner and clubbing 😊 of course my clothing doesn’t need a servant to help me in and out of it!!!

  • @rosealexander9007

    @rosealexander9007

    8 күн бұрын

    @@emilytaege lol I see very good points. 🙂

  • @Cmatsoukis

    @Cmatsoukis

    6 күн бұрын

    They had no AC lol. I’ve easily gone through 3-4 shirts on a hot day

  • @pattycoe7435
    @pattycoe743513 күн бұрын

    In seeing William’s photos, the only attractive thing about him was his bank account.

  • @WeTHEPreordainedPeople...

    @WeTHEPreordainedPeople...

    13 күн бұрын

    Damn... Patty, you read my mind!😅

  • @voyaristika5673

    @voyaristika5673

    12 күн бұрын

    Then seeing the sweet children and thinking what she had to do to get them here....ewww....can I just have the munny?

  • @witnesstoitall1144

    @witnesstoitall1144

    11 күн бұрын

    That's most men with wealth.look at diddy and Jay z and Bill gates.

  • @jameskelly7782

    @jameskelly7782

    11 күн бұрын

    ....Gomez ( Addams family) ancestor.....explains a lot about the show.....unearned wealth.

  • @zombiedoggie2732

    @zombiedoggie2732

    10 күн бұрын

    I wonder why that was why they talked a good deal about Lucille's beauty. To offset his ugly.

  • @eshim3961
    @eshim396114 күн бұрын

    I read about the Carter family and knew a little little about the story, but like all these videos, with extensive research, it becomes a real story. Knocked it out of the park as usual! 😁

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    11 күн бұрын

    Awwwwe! Thank you so much, Eshi! I know that you read up on Titanic passengers, so that's quite a compliment coming from YOU.

  • @keydraworldexplorer5389
    @keydraworldexplorer53898 күн бұрын

    Mr Carter took off like Bruce Jenner. I died laughing and imagined Brice in coattails sprinting down the hall

  • @SciHeartJourney
    @SciHeartJourney9 күн бұрын

    'I never saw him again' He bravely ran away, away. Like Sir Robin. 🤣

  • @carolann3249
    @carolann324914 күн бұрын

    Glad Lucille divorced this spoilt brat of a man . He obviously was a shallow and callous person . He abandoned his children and wife . His son ‘s version of events were heart - breaking and really sad . He had real empathy for the men who couldn’t be saved .

  • @MovieMakingMan

    @MovieMakingMan

    13 күн бұрын

    Typical rich person.

  • @roxannemoser

    @roxannemoser

    9 күн бұрын

    ,nbgvbbbbb;bbbbb;; b bb

  • @MovieMakingMan

    @MovieMakingMan

    9 күн бұрын

    @@roxannemoser Exactly. You said it with so much more eloquence than I could 👍🏼

  • @Geeparis

    @Geeparis

    9 күн бұрын

    William actes exactly how most men today would act because chivalry has died

  • @tonyaharmon1383

    @tonyaharmon1383

    7 күн бұрын

    ​MOST . . . .😢

  • @IDPhotoMan
    @IDPhotoMan7 күн бұрын

    Not only does he LOOK like a weasel, he acted like one too.

  • @kevindalby520
    @kevindalby52014 күн бұрын

    There are only two of those cars made, one is on the bottom of the ocean, the other one is on exhibit at the Volo Auto Museum in their Titanic exhibit in Volo, Illinois.

  • @user-ky3ti7fs3i
    @user-ky3ti7fs3i6 күн бұрын

    I'm surprised he didn't ask her if his car was ok.

  • @actualkarenokboomer3158
    @actualkarenokboomer31586 күн бұрын

    I worked in the Titanic Exhibit when it was in Oklahoma City from about Nov 2002-July 2003. I did a lot of research, not as much as you have, but my job was to answer questions. Everyone was given a boarding pass with a name and there was a display at the end with who survived and who didn't, but there were a lot of mistakes. Most of the questions referred to the movie and "Was there really a car?" was the one I got most. Also, was there a Rose, yes there was she and Rose Abbott was with her two teenage sons who were too old for a lifeboat. They went in the water holding hands, but only she survived, after a lifeboat picked her up. There was a Jack Thayer, 17, first class, who also went in the water and ended up on the upside-down lifeboat. He was one of the ones who testified that the shop broke in half before sinking, but they kept it a secret. HIs son, a bomber pilot, was shot down in WW II in 1943, his mother who was also on the Titanic died on the anniversary of the sinking in 1944 and he was found in a car with his wrists and throat cut that was ruled a homicide and he did suffer from depression.

  • @Elora445

    @Elora445

    Күн бұрын

    Ruled a homicide? Really? Quite a stretch.

  • @sew2prosper
    @sew2prosper14 күн бұрын

    Finally, a YTer that doesn't talk fast like a cheetah throughout the video. Thank God. This was very enjoyable to listen to. And I never understood why a man would need a servant to get dressed. A woman I can see, those dresses had straps in the back that needed to get to. The Titanic was a beautiful ship.

  • @tourbillon13

    @tourbillon13

    4 күн бұрын

    King Charles' Valet puts the Toothpaste on his Toothbrush each morning... I kid you not. 🙄

  • @margaretr5701

    @margaretr5701

    4 күн бұрын

    @@tourbillon13 Gossip!

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    Күн бұрын

    Hi Sew 2 Prosper! I'm so glad that you enjoyed the video as well as my speaking pace. The whole 'manservant' thing seems a little strange to me too. Thank you for watching!

  • @lesterreed9948
    @lesterreed99486 күн бұрын

    I found the back stories very interesting, sounds to me he wanted his wife to pass away when the Titanic sank.

  • @JRNarian
    @JRNarian14 күн бұрын

    Please keep making more Titanic drama! Love your humor too :)

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    13 күн бұрын

    Hi! I will definitely keep the Titanic stories coming. They are so interesting to me. I love how messy they are. I'm so glad that you enjoy them. Thank you for being a Messtorian!

  • @tonyaharmon1383

    @tonyaharmon1383

    7 күн бұрын

    ​@TisHotMessHistory HaHaHa - Messtorian! This Was My Introduction To Your Channel! Love That Word & You've Done A Great Job!! I Subbed!!❤😊

  • @deealexander5325
    @deealexander532513 күн бұрын

    I love stories about the actual PEOPLE on the Titanic! And I love your story telling!

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    3 сағат бұрын

    Hi Dee! Thank you for your compliment! I love the stories about the people too. I am working on the story of a crazy 1920's doctor right now. After I finish it, I'll have another Titanic couple scandal ready for you.

  • @Richardsonprincess00
    @Richardsonprincess0014 күн бұрын

    William Carter got himself into trouble when he sneaked into collapsed C after Ismay before loading away, costing his marriage as well his reputation in Philadelphia high society.

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    14 күн бұрын

    True.

  • @johnvonundzu2170

    @johnvonundzu2170

    14 күн бұрын

    If he was on collapsible C, he would have been on Titanic long after his family had left the ship. C was the last boat to leave Titanic. Am I missing something?

  • @jameslongest6410

    @jameslongest6410

    13 күн бұрын

    ​@@johnvonundzu2170Collapsible C was the last boat launched from the starboard side. Collapsible D on the port side was the last to be actually launched from the ship. (about 5 minutes or so afterwards.) Collapsibles A and B floated free of the ship (as it finally sank) about 10 minutes after that.

  • @zombiedoggie2732

    @zombiedoggie2732

    12 күн бұрын

    yet William Carter doesn't have a legacy of being cast as a villain, and villainized like Ismay was. Ismay did his best to help survivors onto boats. He stepped up. Yet a journalist with an axe to grind destroyed Ismay.

  • @maireadnic8280

    @maireadnic8280

    12 күн бұрын

    @@zombiedoggie2732 The difference was that William Ranolph Hearst, who owned a huge proportion of English language newspapers in the US and abroad LOATHED JB Ismay. Hearst was determined to use this tragedy to destroy Ismay’s reputation. Newspapers largely syndicated articles, not dissimilar to Reuters/Associated Press today. The outcome would be like having Rupert Murdoch deciding to use Fox News as an attack dog today. And people still believe the bullshit. Like for example Ismay insisting on Titanic winning the Blue Riband, despite having a slower top speed than the Mauretania and taking the longer winter route.

  • @jcd3869
    @jcd38696 күн бұрын

    I live in Newport RI and had no idea her daughter was "Betty Boop" and lived just a few miles away from me until she was 100 YO! A popular breakfast joint used to have her pics all over the place and I never knew who Betty Boop was nor why it was all over the cafe until this video. Will take a drive over this morning to check it out! Wow what a high quality production and rare content about the "people" of the Titanic makes it so much more real. Def subscrubed thx!

  • @edricawebb1578
    @edricawebb157812 күн бұрын

    Incredible research. Hats off to your hard work, and thank you for bringing this otherwise not-known history to us!

  • @markwhitney4580
    @markwhitney45809 күн бұрын

    I think one of the morals of this story is, "Never take a Renault on a passenger liner."

  • @harrietyounger6118
    @harrietyounger611810 күн бұрын

    Boxing her ears sounds the worst. Even boxers don't hit the head like that because of the risks. I would say the riding crop was equally awful but I have to say he sounds like a psychopath and none of the complaints are acceptable.

  • @willyvonbusche729
    @willyvonbusche7296 күн бұрын

    I usually avoid very long videos like this but this time I am very glad that I did not. It is the best and most interesting video I have watched in years. Another thing is that is was a pleasure to listening to your voice. It was perfect. To listen to a narration by a real human is just a blessing. Unfortunately this is becoming rarer and rarer on KZread due to plain laziness and lack of quality control from KZread. So, I am very grateful for this video and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. You hereby have a new subscriber.

  • @christinesalyer600

    @christinesalyer600

    15 сағат бұрын

    Agree❤

  • @willyvonbusche729

    @willyvonbusche729

    11 сағат бұрын

    @@christinesalyer600 Thank you. I appreciate that.

  • @dianekennelly2224
    @dianekennelly222414 күн бұрын

    You did a fabulous job of telling this story. Good job! Another great story after all of your research. Thank you.

  • @BeckZ918

    @BeckZ918

    13 күн бұрын

    So agree! It had everything. Laughs, tears, and pure anger….lol I wanted to put my fits through my own wall for how he treated her. My best friend from high school was in a very abusive, first marriage and GOD it was so hard to watch. She got out but it wasn’t easy. She’s came and lived with me to get away from him. Still bffs after 40 years. Definitely my soul sister! But I guess it made me think this poor woman had all this money and came from a great family but had zero power. Just kept in gilded cage. So happy she found happiness. My friend also did in her second marriage. One of my greatest fear is an abusive relationship for my 18 year old granddaughter. ❤

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    12 күн бұрын

    Hi Diane! Thank you for your kind words. I'm so glad that you enjoyed this story! I'm working on your next one now.

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    12 күн бұрын

    @@BeckZ918 thank you so much for your compliment on the video. Thank you for being there for your best friend when she needed you the most. I'm glad that she's happy now. I wish the absolute best for your granddaughter.

  • @debbiejarus1723
    @debbiejarus172313 күн бұрын

    And they still try to paint J. Bruce Ismay as the "Titanic Villain"! Lol!

  • @Animei9
    @Animei913 күн бұрын

    Ismay didn't deserve the treatment he received after the disaster, but this guy sure did. What a miserable excuse for a man. If you think it's crazy that people got back on ships after Titanic, and I'm with you on that, you should read about Violet Jessup. A woman who was truly unsinkable

  • @AndreiPopescu

    @AndreiPopescu

    10 күн бұрын

    The ships were designed to carry enough lifeboats, but Ismay and a few others reduced the number, so they are to blame for how things turned out.

  • @Animei9

    @Animei9

    10 күн бұрын

    @@AndreiPopescu actually that's not true. It's a very complex issue but the main points are that they had the number of lifeboats required by law and they never could have deployed additional boats. Two of the collapsible boats floated off because they weren't able to launch them. There's a lot more involved. If you're interested, there's a ton of information available on the topic. I've found it all very interesting. There's other YT videos on it, as well as the most in-depth book on the Titanic ever written, "On a Sea of Glass". I highly recommend that book

  • @AndreiPopescu

    @AndreiPopescu

    9 күн бұрын

    @@Animei9 There was this man, Alexander Carlisle, who realized that the laws were outdated and he wanted the ships to have the number of lifeboats they needed. He quit the company when his suggestion was turned down. Also if the Titanic had enough lifeboats they could have launched then quicker since they would have not wasted time filtering passengers. With every family that had male members over 14 the crew would have to argue with the female members to leave their husbands/fathers/brothers/sons behind - some even refused to do so and stayed on the ship.

  • @Animei9

    @Animei9

    9 күн бұрын

    @@AndreiPopescu it was so much more complicated than that. Part of the reason the boats were launching without enough passengers was because passengers didn't want to get on the boats. They weren't originally intended for more than ferrying people from one ship to another and there wasn't another ship there. They were difficult and frightening to get into. People honestly believed that the Titanic couldn't sink. Not to mention that a year before a ship wreaked and all the women and children were put on lifeboats. All the boats sank. The only survivors were the men who stayed on the ship. People on the Titanic knew about that wreak. Last, but not least, the ship was listing. Davits at that time were not capable of overcoming that list. Ships sank after the Titanic with enough lifeboats and still couldn't save everyone because the boats couldn't be deployed due to listing. People always want simple answers and scapegoats, but sometimes there just aren't any. The reason that Ismay got crucified had nothing to do with his actions in regards to the Titanic and everything to do with the fact that William R. Hurst hated him and used the tragedy to spread "news" that he wanted to tell and the other news services picked up on. Everyone likes getting little bits of info here and there and choosing what they want to believe because they want to believe it's all they need and it doesn't take any effort. But truly studying a subject is it's own reward. History is so much more fascinating that what they teach in school

  • @TheDisneylover23
    @TheDisneylover236 күн бұрын

    Very good video. I greatly enjoyed all the tea!

  • @user-ri5yn7lm5x
    @user-ri5yn7lm5x7 күн бұрын

    She did the only thing she could do, TELL THE TRUTH AND SET HIM FREE SHE'S GOT CLASS.............

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    7 күн бұрын

    I agree!

  • @12345682900
    @123456829009 күн бұрын

    The production value, including the narration, of this documentary is outstanding; I enjoyed it very much. Thank you!

  • @rotorheadv8
    @rotorheadv87 күн бұрын

    in a life for death situation, you fight or you die.

  • @lindasimons691
    @lindasimons6918 күн бұрын

    So happy this popped up into my feed. Enjoyed the story and your telling. Thx

  • @patbowman6723
    @patbowman672314 күн бұрын

    These stories get better and better, I've love your voice. Today I was rather annoyed that I had an appointment right in the middle of your post. It was a doctor or I would have canceled. You have the touch with your writing and speaking and a flair for the dramatic. Thank you so much for your skill.

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    Күн бұрын

    Hi Pat! You are too kind. Thank you so much for your wonderful compliments. I hope that all went well at your appointment with your doctor. I'm SO glad that you didn't cancel to listen to me. Hahaha! Thank YOU for supporting my content by listening and watching. It means so much to me.

  • @jimdavis6833
    @jimdavis68338 күн бұрын

    I just love this narrator's sarcasm.

  • @kattlady1
    @kattlady113 күн бұрын

    Thank you for sharing the lives of the family members after the titanic..

  • @sandisteinberg731
    @sandisteinberg73114 күн бұрын

    Thank you for all the details of life aboard the Titanic.

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    4 күн бұрын

    Hi Sandi! Thank YOU for watching. I'm glad that you liked the details.

  • @shellyhm2477
    @shellyhm24777 күн бұрын

    What an interesting story! I thoroughly enjoyed it.

  • @paulasmall5113
    @paulasmall511314 күн бұрын

    Im thinking he shouldve been happy his wife couldnt boil grits

  • @joannbowden6220

    @joannbowden6220

    12 күн бұрын

    Or had one of those cute little Derringer pistols! 😊😊

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    10 күн бұрын

    LOL! True, Paula!

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    10 күн бұрын

    @@joannbowden6220 woah! That would have worked too!

  • @Cobbmtngirl
    @Cobbmtngirl14 күн бұрын

    What a selfish jerk! No, Ti you aren’t being harsh & judgmental. It’s the truth. So sad about the dogs. “I don’t want to speculate too much about the ponies actions” 🤣🤣Thanks for another titanic hot mess!❤

  • @Cobbmtngirl

    @Cobbmtngirl

    14 күн бұрын

    Oh, and Charlie is adorable!

  • @chriswasniowski3149

    @chriswasniowski3149

    14 күн бұрын

    one law for the rich and others laws for the poor

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    14 күн бұрын

    @@Cobbmtngirl I had never heard of this guy until I was doing the research for the Kate Phillips story. He is probably the biggest jerk who was on the ship. I get sad every time I think about those dogs. I am 100% Team Pony. LOL! Thank you for watching! Charlie is my big mouth distraction. Hahaha!

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    14 күн бұрын

    @@chriswasniowski3149 - it seems that way and it's unfortunate.

  • @robertbarron4274
    @robertbarron427412 күн бұрын

    The stockings would have been scandalous because they revealed the shape, and drew attention to, the leg, which was seen as far too much of a temptation to men. Women had to be cautious with their ankles, legs and body parts below the waist.

  • @mamita75
    @mamita7512 күн бұрын

    This was fantastic! Lucille’s daughter from her second marriage, Betty Brooke, is in the documentary Behind the Hedgerow. It’s about Eileen Gillespie Slocum. It’s sounds like Lucille had a great life after her divorce 😊

  • @annfisher3316

    @annfisher3316

    11 күн бұрын

    You peeked my interest and l see this is available on YT, watching it next. 😊

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    11 күн бұрын

    Hi Mamita! I'm so glad that you enjoyed this story. Thank you for the info on the other documentary. Sounds interesting. I'll check it out one of these days when I find some free time. It really does seem like Lucille had a good life with her second husband. She deserved it.

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    11 күн бұрын

    @@annfisher3316 hey! Cool that you found it. Let me know what you think about it.

  • @marilynwainwright7578
    @marilynwainwright75787 күн бұрын

    So broken hearted too when I hear the loss of all the doggies😥

  • @MotherMagenta
    @MotherMagenta14 күн бұрын

    I love your channel so much! You walk us through the stories so beautifully ❤

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    14 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much! I really enjoy telling these stories. I'm so thankful for people like you who want to hear them.

  • @Txl8y817

    @Txl8y817

    9 күн бұрын

    Me too. This was my first video but I'm now a subscriber

  • @tonyaharmon1383

    @tonyaharmon1383

    7 күн бұрын

    ​@@Txl8y817 Me Too, Just Now!!❤😊

  • @Txl8y817
    @Txl8y8179 күн бұрын

    This was a great listen! I love hearing the REAL (Good & bad), stories about the lives of the survivor and victims on the Titanic. Just to add though. The car has been found on previous expeditions and there are photos of the wheels and axles out there. The car itself was thin metal and the sea has eaten it away almost completely. And to throw up some shine on a woman, Molly Brown was the richest woman on the Titanic. (Not Madeline Astor as some claim).

  • @here_we_go_again2571
    @here_we_go_again257113 күн бұрын

    Goody! Another Hot Mess! ❤👍😊 I don't blame her for divorcing him, after leaving her and the children to possibly drown! Junior's account is probably one of the most accurate about what happened on the deck of the Titanic.

  • @lynnschaeferle-zh4go
    @lynnschaeferle-zh4go13 күн бұрын

    Rey No. Those ladies still needed a lady’s maid to get in and out of their clothes. Thank you for a real depicting

  • @wendyleewilliams1157
    @wendyleewilliams115714 күн бұрын

    ❤God bless the dogs who were on that sinking ship. If everyone could have been saved.

  • @davidinnis6796

    @davidinnis6796

    14 күн бұрын

    Yeah, I would've saved the dogs before the 1st class.

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    12 күн бұрын

    Wendy, I feel the same way you do. Thinking about those dogs makes me sad every time.

  • @timeforcoffee485
    @timeforcoffee48514 күн бұрын

    Thank you for this. It is always great to hear fresh stories from this tragedy. Your research is fantastic.

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    11 күн бұрын

    Thank YOU for watching. I appreciate your kind words. I absolutely love sharing these stories. I'm thankful that you enjoy hearing them.

  • @andrewtavendale5838
    @andrewtavendale583812 күн бұрын

    She was first class. No heroism from her ...is it heroic to wait in line at carnival ride? The people that sacrificed their lives ..

  • @Braddoc68

    @Braddoc68

    4 күн бұрын

    Agree. He was pathetic, but she should not be hailed as a hero for boarding a life boat.

  • @idrawpeopleandanimals7252
    @idrawpeopleandanimals72526 күн бұрын

    I love your voice! You're a wonderful narrator and storyteller. Now subbed! ❤

  • @ericabowman2657
    @ericabowman265714 күн бұрын

    I just learned something new about titanic! Wow!

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    14 күн бұрын

    Hi Erica! I'm so glad that you got some new info out of this. Thank you for watching!

  • @timsarahmok9124
    @timsarahmok912414 күн бұрын

    I love your content! Such a treat to watch 🥰

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    14 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much! I am guessing that you are Sarah. But I'm going to play it safe and thank you both - Tim & Sarah. I truly appreciate your support!

  • @voyaristika5673
    @voyaristika567312 күн бұрын

    So I got a text from my daughter..."Hot Mess has new Titanic video, it's sooo good." I said "oh boy" to self and here I am. This video was soooo good, as usual! The Madeline Astor one is really good, too** The dogs that were lost always makes me so sad. Poor William Jr. I can't imagine ever being able to look at that man knowing he felt NOTHING for saving his CHILDREN! Horrible man, beyond cowardly horrible. Lucille actually had to see his unattractive face in her life after that night. I love your channel. Your delivery is delightful and your research so thorough. Want more! 😊 I'm still laughing about Charlie. That photo is perfect for the circumstance. He's adorable and gives a great testimonial on the joy of sleeping. 😉 🥰 😂

  • @MicheleSmall-wn4ph

    @MicheleSmall-wn4ph

    10 күн бұрын

    That’s what I think about, the dogs 🐕 that were lost. I can’t even imagine how terrified and alone they felt. It’s heartbreaking 💔. 💔💔💔💔🐾🐾🐾🐾🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @user-xk2xb9ws3l
    @user-xk2xb9ws3l8 күн бұрын

    I thoroughly enjoyed this . Thanks so much!

  • @naticristellavi8236
    @naticristellavi823612 күн бұрын

    For him to want to move often was a way to control his wife. Moving often she couldn't make friends, which will keep her isolated from society.

  • @2degucitas

    @2degucitas

    10 күн бұрын

    Perhaps he could hide his mistresses that way, as well.

  • @bohdandouglas8929

    @bohdandouglas8929

    9 күн бұрын

    It was a huge job for the wife to "shut down" a house. Certain items would be packed and moved. Many expensive items would be stored away for safekeeping. She would handle the logistics of servants, who would stay, who would go, what to do with food on hand, what clothing they would take,etc. Not to mention arranging appropriate transportation. This would make Lucille's life very stressful.

  • @waynecoleman-ou9te
    @waynecoleman-ou9te10 күн бұрын

    The real hero's died that night.

  • @tonyaharmon1383

    @tonyaharmon1383

    7 күн бұрын

    Agreed!😢

  • @billyo6710

    @billyo6710

    7 күн бұрын

    And most were forgotten except by their loved ones.

  • @zacharyking900

    @zacharyking900

    7 күн бұрын

    Heros

  • @GrantWaller.-hf6jn

    @GrantWaller.-hf6jn

    6 күн бұрын

    That is why the terms unknown soldier and unsung hero exists.

  • @randallcraft4071

    @randallcraft4071

    6 күн бұрын

    Aint that the truth the men running the village pumps I'm trying to keep the ship floating just a little longer so people could escape Are the real heroes

  • @countessAugusta
    @countessAugusta12 күн бұрын

    He wasnt just cowardly. He was cruel and malicious

  • @stevenrussell5340

    @stevenrussell5340

    8 күн бұрын

    Maybe that is a good reason he did not make it, God was punishing him for greed, and self-righteousness. ✝

  • @KarenLopez-in5ih

    @KarenLopez-in5ih

    6 күн бұрын

    ​@@stevenrussell5340can we say this about ♀️🐍that use biased gender based laws to extort rob men?only to be deleted by their divorce for profit husbands?

  • @PonderousProse
    @PonderousProse11 күн бұрын

    Just subbed! As a history lover, I can't believe it took me this long to stumble across your channel! I really enjoyed your work, and look forward to more.

  • @tonyaharmon1383

    @tonyaharmon1383

    7 күн бұрын

    I Just Found & Subbed Too!😊

  • @karentucker2161
    @karentucker216114 күн бұрын

    Learnwd something new about the titanic ❤. I don't know why, but i love learning about the people on that ship

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    5 күн бұрын

    Hi Karen! I'm so glad that you got something new out of this video. I'm with you. I love learning about those passengers too. I'm going to release the video that I'm working on now - it's about a crazy 1920's doctor. After that, I'll work on a video for another Titanic couple that's similar to this one.

  • @Pgschool37
    @Pgschool3714 күн бұрын

    Great job of fact-based storytelling! The before and after the Titanic mini-series of events was way more interesting IMO.

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    13 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much! I'll work on some more of these throughout this year.

  • @MrOnelegnick
    @MrOnelegnick11 күн бұрын

    Her old man got on the rich man escape vessel which got him tonthe carpathia with in an hour. Why he had time for breakfast and such.

  • @JohnLaws-sg8yh
    @JohnLaws-sg8yh7 күн бұрын

    How do we not know Lucille is lying? After all, she waits until divorce court to tell this story. Why didn't she verify he wasn't at the lifeboat helping her and his children into the boat from Mrs Astor? There are too many loose ends to be a credible story.

  • @jeannadriver9552
    @jeannadriver955212 күн бұрын

    Excellent presentation! Yes, you tripped me up when you "ended" the episode - I checked the time left before you admitted the prank. Brat-child! 🤣 And I love your puppy-dawg,; So cute!

  • @kateealer7
    @kateealer711 күн бұрын

    All they did was eat and change clothes all day?! No wonder Rose wanted to throw herself off the ship.

  • @MarinCipollina

    @MarinCipollina

    9 күн бұрын

    You're stuck on a big boat for several days.. what else is there to do ?

  • @lilacicecream

    @lilacicecream

    8 күн бұрын

    Its fiction.

  • @geoffball4431

    @geoffball4431

    6 күн бұрын

    I went on P&O cruise for 10 days and all the passengers just on one side of the ship , when that side closed for cleaning all the passengers went to the other side and continued scoffing, disgusting no wonder they were all 20 stone , never again

  • @Alan-yn9fk
    @Alan-yn9fk12 күн бұрын

    I love the way you tell a story. You have a great sense of humor.

  • @tegantalks9612
    @tegantalks961211 күн бұрын

    J Bruce Ismay gets so much unnecessary hate for his role in the Titanic when by many accounts he was trying his best to help and only got into a life boat at the very end when he thought everyone had been saved. Let’s give the villain status over to William Carter instead.

  • @AndreiPopescu

    @AndreiPopescu

    10 күн бұрын

    The ships were designed to have enough lifeboats, but J. Bruce Ismay and a few others reduced the number. If the ship had enough lifeboats I doubt anyone would care that he survived while for some reason other passengers and crew members died (for example the 2 engineers killed in the boiler room by the collapsing bulkhead).

  • @tecraman8100

    @tecraman8100

    9 күн бұрын

    ​@@AndreiPopescu you got it backwards Titanic actually had more lifeboats than what was required during the time of the sinking

  • @AndreiPopescu

    @AndreiPopescu

    8 күн бұрын

    @@tecraman8100 I'm talking about the original number of lifeboats suggested by Alexander Carlisle (which would have been enough for all onboard), not the minimum number required by law, which Titanic exceeded.

  • @CanadianMonarchist

    @CanadianMonarchist

    8 күн бұрын

    @@AndreiPopescuComputer models have suggested they wouldn’t have been able to launch all the lifeboats in time. The lifeboat launch was also prolonged when Lightholler chose to interpret “Women and children first” as “Women and children only,” which made wives reluctant to leave their husbands.

  • @user-qb9fv3bf2d

    @user-qb9fv3bf2d

    8 күн бұрын

    ​@@CanadianMonarchistsomeone should have off'd Lightholler from the jump.

  • @alexbenis4726
    @alexbenis472610 күн бұрын

    You would not have been able to see the car, it would have been partly dismantled and in a shipping crate.

  • @peaches3182
    @peaches3182Күн бұрын

    I just found your channel yesterday. I am a HUGE history buff (mainly US history and Titanic) and I have to say I absolutely adore your work and love the uniqueness of your channel. There are no shortages of history channels on YT but your channel brings something more to the table and is really refreshing. It makes these people more human instead of just being a name in a book or in a video. I really appreciate what you are doing. Keep up the great work!😃

  • @glenntremblay5406
    @glenntremblay540612 күн бұрын

    Great stuff. As to Carter sounds to me like he was looking to do an Astor... As to the man who left his estate to another man... sounds like he found true love though i can't condone him leaving his children without support...

  • @jacquelineharrod6386
    @jacquelineharrod63868 күн бұрын

    Brilliantly done. Thank you. (And l do not understand just how the ladies remained slim, so much food!)

  • @XiaoGuanYin104

    @XiaoGuanYin104

    6 күн бұрын

    Bulimia.

  • @KDUncensored
    @KDUncensored6 күн бұрын

    Heyyyyyy. It’s crazy you made this video and I was just watching the Titanic a couple days ago. Another great history video 🖤

  • @WeTHEPreordainedPeople...
    @WeTHEPreordainedPeople...13 күн бұрын

    I am stoked to have found your content! You have great humor, clear diction, charming narration style which is easy to follow--and keep interest. Well done!❤❤

  • @bethclark9319
    @bethclark93199 күн бұрын

    You are indeed a great storyteller, please keep up the hard and terrific work.

  • @dennisn1672
    @dennisn167213 күн бұрын

    That car is just a rust stain by now.

  • @sandic3892
    @sandic389213 күн бұрын

    P.S. I am a great animal lover, too, so I also can understand how William must have felt. If I'm being honest, those are the hardest stories about the titanic for me to listen to. In fact, I usually have to click away! Way to go, Charlie!! He meant he was going to get himself in a video, even if it was just a little audio!! Lol!!

  • @Dunebat
    @Dunebat14 күн бұрын

    "I will always be amazed at how anyone who lived through the Titanic tragedy could find the nerve to ever get on a ship again, but to top it off, to get back on a White Star Line vessel." Yeah, let alone to travel aboard the OLYMPIC, of all White Star ships! The ship that looked the most like Titanic!

  • @michellelewis9519

    @michellelewis9519

    12 күн бұрын

    Right

  • @zombiedoggie2732

    @zombiedoggie2732

    11 күн бұрын

    There is also the case of Violet Jessup. She was on the Olympic when the Hawke collided into her, On the Titanic. And the Britannic when she struck a mine. Girl survived three disasters. Two of them sinkings with loss of life, and she didn't let that hold her back on sailing on a ship.

  • @jocelynmartin1572

    @jocelynmartin1572

    10 күн бұрын

    And yet, we don't refuse to ever travel in a car after being in an accident.

  • @AndreiPopescu

    @AndreiPopescu

    10 күн бұрын

    @@zombiedoggie2732 She was also on the lifeboat hit by the Britannic's propellers.

  • @zombiedoggie2732

    @zombiedoggie2732

    10 күн бұрын

    @@AndreiPopescu I heard that too. Wow! that has to be terrifying!

  • @joannad9142
    @joannad914214 күн бұрын

    How did they stay so slim with all that food? Changing 5 times per day, exhausting and for the poor staff! How he caught her is amazing ~ as he looks unpleasant. Terrifying 😢 And has been already mentioned he was an absolute bounder! What happened to their poor staff?

  • @andrewthornhill7042

    @andrewthornhill7042

    13 күн бұрын

    @joannad9142 The meals were endless and up to 12 courses long, but only the truly foolhardy would either 1) accept large servings or 2) eat everything they had on their plates. Usually the ladies' corsets forbade too much being consumed, so they didn't actually eat that much.

  • @superpatriot6773
    @superpatriot677314 күн бұрын

    I love this channel 🔥

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    14 күн бұрын

    Hey Super Patriot! Thank you so much! And thank you for coming to the premiere!

  • @starquant
    @starquant10 күн бұрын

    Extremely well done. Thank you. Try watching the 1970's version of "Poldark" and "I Claudius"

  • @HonRevPTB
    @HonRevPTB8 күн бұрын

    Great video, thank you very much!!!!!!!

  • @christopherlehnert7071
    @christopherlehnert70719 күн бұрын

    'always moving' = 'never satisfied' 'can not be pleased', he whined, criticized, accused

  • @belizeguy
    @belizeguy10 күн бұрын

    Heartbreaking. My Grandmother always told me how terrible the wreck was, and the impact on the Social Life after the deaths of so many Patrons of the Arts. Tragic!

  • @lilacicecream

    @lilacicecream

    8 күн бұрын

    surely u jest?

  • @Noscams00

    @Noscams00

    8 күн бұрын

    Indeed! 🤦‍♂️

  • @belizeguy

    @belizeguy

    8 күн бұрын

    @@Noscams00 See my response above for clarification. Thanks

  • @Angela-ok1ed
    @Angela-ok1ed14 күн бұрын

    Love,love,love the way you tell the stories! ❤Love all the details,from interior of the Titanic to dress code !! So interesting x

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    Күн бұрын

    Hi Angela! I'm so glad that you found this interesting. Thank you for your compliment! I'm working on the story of a crazy 1920's doctor right now. After I finish it, I'll have another Titanic couple scandal ready for you.

  • @johnchambers3569
    @johnchambers356910 күн бұрын

    Absolutely amazing story. Filled with great detail. I'm from Baltimore, so it was interesting listening to this story. Also I'm a fan of the history of the Titanic . Well Done !

  • @Katymayk
    @Katymayk13 күн бұрын

    Great job! I never heard this story before. I always learn something new when I watch your videos. Love it!

  • @traceyforth8170
    @traceyforth817014 күн бұрын

    Haha, I love Charlie, his little face. I love your channel too so glad I found it. ❤

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    12 күн бұрын

    Hi Tracey! Thank you for giving my channel a try. I'm so happy that you love it! Charlie is my research assistant. LOL!

  • @sue330
    @sue33014 күн бұрын

    Fun fact : two weeks before titanic sank the new owner J.P. Morgan got insurance for 5million

  • @MikeHunt-fo3ow

    @MikeHunt-fo3ow

    14 күн бұрын

    well if he paid 7.5mil to build it and then sank it for 5mil hes a a real dope lol

  • @dovetonsturdee7033

    @dovetonsturdee7033

    12 күн бұрын

    Accurate fact. Titanic cost £1.5 million to build, and was insured with Lloyds of London for £1 million. That was what Lloyds subsequently paid out to White Star. Prehaps not as much fun as your invention, but much truer.

  • @jeffa847

    @jeffa847

    Күн бұрын

    The Titanic cost $7.5 million and was insured for $5 million by the White Star Line. Not a very good scheme. In British Pounds Sterling that would be 5,782,000

  • @dovetonsturdee7033

    @dovetonsturdee7033

    Күн бұрын

    @@jeffa847 The rate of exchange in 1911/12 was 4.84 dollars to the pound. Therefore, in round numbers, each Olympic cost £1.5 million to build, and was insured for £1 million.

  • @robbiet8583
    @robbiet858312 күн бұрын

    Excellent coverage ! Thank you.

  • @marksmith7054
    @marksmith70549 күн бұрын

    There is NO way I could ever live that Lifestyle.

  • @Jannie-
    @Jannie-8 күн бұрын

    I really enjoyed this deep dive ,thank you 🙏 . William was most likely able to move his family around a lot, and it not affect the children’s schooling, because they probably employed private home tutors that they took everywhere with them . You wanted ideas of other UK period dramas to watch. Well back in the 70’s , one of the first that was enjoyed by millions of us was a wonderful series called ‘Upstairs Downstairs’ . Another that followed ( same producer) was based loosely on a true story on the real-life career of Rosa Lewis (née Ovenden), the "Duchess of Jermyn Street", who ran the Cavendish Hotel in London at the corner of Duke St, St. James's. When the show first aired, there were many people who still remembered her, as she lived until 1952. The series was called ‘The Duchess of Duke Street’ .

  • @pamieintexas2012
    @pamieintexas20128 күн бұрын

    I visited Cohb "Queenstown" during the 100th Anniversary of the Titanic sinking. Staring out at the tiny island where the Titanic last departed, brought tears to my eyes. It was incredibly moving.

  • @Norm698
    @Norm69810 күн бұрын

    Thanks for the brilliant documentary, one of the most interesting ones I've seen about the Titanic. I can only imagine the amount of research that you would have to have done in putting it together. ❤️🙏🇦🇺🇺🇲

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    9 күн бұрын

    Hi Norm! Thank YOU so much for taking the time to watch this. I'm so glad that you enjoyed it. You're right. It did take me a lot of time to put this video together. I'm trying to figure out how to shorten that time. Since I have changed my video style to this one, it has been taking me about a month to finish the work. I'm working on a new story about a doctor right now. After I'm done with it, I'll have another Titanic story for you. And it's VERY similar to this one. I hope that you come back to see it!

  • @Norm698

    @Norm698

    8 күн бұрын

    @@TisHotMessHistory I'll be watching it without a doubt.

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    7 күн бұрын

    @@Norm698 thank you so much. I appreciate you.

  • @barbm7175
    @barbm71758 күн бұрын

    Love your storytelling style......subscribed

  • @roxannemoser
    @roxannemoser9 күн бұрын

    I stumbled upon your channel today! All I can say is it's nothing short of AMAZING! New subscriber here!

  • @lisafranklin9089
    @lisafranklin908914 күн бұрын

    Yay!!! I feel like I haven't got a notification from your channel on sooo long 😢

  • @TisHotMessHistory

    @TisHotMessHistory

    14 күн бұрын

    Hi Lisa! You probably haven't. I didn't have any new videos last month. I'm trying to figure out how to pick up the pace now that I have changed to this style to content.