I’d say area 3 would be the best of the four options for a university. It’s big enough to put everything and close to both parts of the city.

@joed527

2 жыл бұрын

The other areas do not seem as good.

@thedocumentaryguycomputers

2 жыл бұрын

Area 3 for university

@wlr3799

2 жыл бұрын

Area 3!

@ScooterBug96

2 жыл бұрын

Area 3 for sure, it's a good spot with the future expansion plans.

@qxz1776

2 жыл бұрын

Agree!

Referring to your roundabout comments around 12:45, I assure you that yes, we Americans do have functional roundabouts, and no, they don't confuse us. I have seen plenty of them in various suburban areas. The people who say we don't just aren't looking in the right place. Excellent episode as always, Biffa!

@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines

2 жыл бұрын

I know, just poking fun at all the comments I get about the US and roundabouts. Thanks too :-)

@patrick6897

2 жыл бұрын

@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines Even if we didn't, I think that for the purposes of the game some creative liberties can be taken (like with the give way signs).

@SievertSchreiber

2 жыл бұрын

The Milwaukee Roundabout is a good example of how Americans navigate roundabouts

@pyromanci2736

2 жыл бұрын

We even have the diamond interchanges where we drive on the wrong side of the road.

@Ben-dk9ef

2 жыл бұрын

@Biffa Plays Indie Games, Upstate New York in both urban and rural areas are seeing more and more installation of roundabouts where 4 way intersections once were. The are helping with the traffic as long as people yield correctly.

I believe “Area3”. The university would spend the money to get the water front by the river.

1:30 There's a small gap in the mountains (top left) where you could run a highway through without affecting the ruins. It would only need a short tunnel.

@phenethylamine91

2 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't be an American build if the highway didn't go through a former minority neighborhood

@starstudiosRPG

2 жыл бұрын

@@phenethylamine91 lmfao

Residential streets in America are 25mph. You’ll see 25-45 for collector roads, and a lot of main streets in towns are 45mph. Smaller highways are 50-65, and major freeways are typically 70mph. I feel like even though the game sets realistic speeds there is some disconnect with the ai. I would say most people in the us speed by about 10 mph, so maybe it’s reasonable to set speeds 10pm than listed

@jengdes1gn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting that. I was watching him use 40s and cringing.

@SievertSchreiber

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah! I was thinking the speeds are a bit too high also. They need to 5 to 10 lower on average.

@moreautravel

2 жыл бұрын

💯

@DrTurtleBee

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to make a similar comment.

Don't know if you saw my comment from the Tuesday video (I made it last night US time so it was much later) - The center of town with the park-a-bout, in a lot of small towns in the US, particularly rural ones in New England, they'd have a town square or town green like that, but without the roundabout in the middle. It would just be one-way streets around the four sides, like a square-a-bout. The green or town square is typically grassy, pedestrian only inside, and will often have a small play structure, maybe some sort of small stage, and would be a gathering place during nicer weather.

@briansorensen1104

2 жыл бұрын

County courthouse type of area. Usually surrounded by small store fronts on all sides and down the main road a bit. That is Main Street, USA.

@briansorensen1104

2 жыл бұрын

Lake County Historic Courthouse (Grand Old Lady), Crown Point, In 46307

If someone hasn't mentioned it yet, usually speeds in the US are as follows: 25 mph in neighborhoods, 35 on side roads and school zones, 45 on main roads, 55 on small highways or country roads, 65 on medium highways, and 70 or 80 on interstates. Occasionally there will be a speed limit 40 or 50 but not common. Also most of the time unless it is a highway or interstate, we have railway crossings. Having bridges for smaller roads over railway lines is a newer thing in the US similar to using roundabouts. Also I like area 2, 3, and 4 for the university.

@christopherharsch4352

2 жыл бұрын

That must be different by area, because I’ve almost never seen a 25mph speed limit, and 35s are also on the rare side. Most of the side roads and neighborhoods (at least that I’ve seen. I’m from NY btw) are all 30. Mains roads seem to line up but I think have a little more variation than what you mention. The rest lines up. Oh, and I’m not counting NYC because they tend to do things slightly different than the rest of the state, and it’s a small area comparatively. Also, I avoid driving in NYC when I’m there, so I’m not sure how closely it lines up.

Instead of having offices zoned normally along the roads, in less dense areas, office parks are quite popular in my region. It would be cool to see a couple of those around with some man made ponds and lots of parking

@myguyTrevorSabo

2 жыл бұрын

Yes ! This and lots of retail strip malls , and TONS of parking lots

I've designed roundabouts in America before and we would never design anything for more than 30 MPH unless it was in a very rural area. Also neighborhood streets at 30 is what they used to do but for pedestrian safety and noise pollution, neighborhood streets are preferably narrow and slow to detract from people using a neighborhood as an arterial or something. This would require that some streets are designated as faster "collectors" though.

@BryanFritchie

2 жыл бұрын

He's got a bigger road every five squares, so the neighborhood roads should be slower.

@CarlPortercmpjr

2 жыл бұрын

I see the in town collector as 30 to 45 that style highway I say it about 55 it more of a us route non express highway type rd is 70 15 for school areas 20 or 25 for most neighborhoods

Biffa, Check the TMPE settings. I believe there is a setting that will automatically set dedicated turn lanes. Then you would not need to adjust them manually everytime. I haven't set that yet, kind of waiting for your opinion on it :)

@JacksonOwex

2 жыл бұрын

But then we don't get bingo points for "Dedicated turning lanes"! ;)

@metalheaded666

2 жыл бұрын

there's no reason to have all the roads be dedicated turning lanes though

@ATejkl

2 жыл бұрын

@@metalheaded666 yeah as it's also unrealistic in an American city, almost every road would either have its only lane for turning that's separate from the main lanes, or main lanes can go straight or turn to keep the flow of traffic moving, having to switch lanes every single time you pass a junction would be a mess

@inyobill

2 жыл бұрын

@@metalheaded666 It depends on how you like to set it up. I prefer the majority to be set up having dedicated lanes, so for the way I play the game, it's more convenient. User experience may vary, as always. _sometimes_ on a two-lane, if the majority of traffic is flowing right, I will set it as the dedicated lane, having through and lefts share a lane.

@playtimewithdragonfire

2 жыл бұрын

I would imagine that you would be able to set the roads with undedicated lanes if this option was turned on. Absolutely I would agree that not every road would have dedicated turn lanes. Most multi-lane intersections would have a dedicated left turn. Thanks all for your opinions and observations. It is nice to see different point of views.

I live in America, and roundabouts are definitely accurate to use, while they aren’t super common, they are definitely scattered across the east coast from what I’ve seen, and are being put in more medium traffic junctions, also they are used in new neighborhoods alot towards the beginning or at busier point in the plan to save the money and the eyesore of traffic light

14:37. Make that a tram road, then you can have trams going to a station on that railway track. It would make the start of a good interchange. Especially now you've added a bus station at 34:30.

A highway with no traffic makes no noise, who knew. 😂😂 I love all the carparking, wish I had the patience to do it properly like you Biffa.

Area #3 looks great for the uni

Contrary to what everyone is saying, where I live in the US (southern New Jersey) has quite a few roundabouts. We call them traffic circles here, but there are a bunch in the shore towns where I live, and a couple more inland, as well as one near my university. Roundabouts definitely exist in the US!

@LovelyRitaholic

2 жыл бұрын

Traffic circles are different, in that they usually have stop signs, and the roads can T in at 90 degrees like Columbus Circle. But yeah I know the one in Rutherford at least is more a proper roundabout. I think we just still use the old terminology for the most part. There are also places all over the US that have more modern roundabouts as well! edit to add: there are also two new modern roundabouts in the outer boroughs of NYC now, like finished within the last 10 years or so

They do have roundabouts in America, they are in the process of building one in my area actually. The yield signs in the neighborhoods is consistent with some cities in America, just depends what state you live in. Love the build. I had to order more RAM for my PC, I see the tracking and it's out for delivery today, woohoo, get to play Cities again.

@angelrivera9412

2 жыл бұрын

Massachusetts have roundabouts are all over the place.

@gregdubya1993

2 жыл бұрын

I live near Carmel, Indiana. We have a lot of them here.

22:18 when laying out grids, dont use road guidelines...just use angles and road length. set the grid first before setting the connections that way you avoid the weirdness

@Stormcrow_1

2 жыл бұрын

I suspect some of that weirdness might be because he gridded that section after using the curve tool.

My jaw dropped when I saw the speed limits. Having a city road with a 65kmh limit like you have on the industrial area or a small, one lane per way road being 50kmh is incredibly fast to me, and it feels unsafe for pedestrians. I know this is a game, but you say you're going based on your experience and just, wow. Anyway, I do like how the city's looking so far, nice job.

Honestly, depending on where you look, the eight lane road isn’t usually a freeway, it’s either a major road, or some sort of weird concoction of a freeway and a street. Typically they aren’t very useful, but if you make it just a major arterial it can be both accurate and functional

@tomheadington4762

2 жыл бұрын

A strode

@lennystudios3.14

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomheadington4762 yeah I was gonna call it that but I figured it’s too obscure

There are absolutely roundabouts in the US.. they are often called "traffic circles", however :) They are definitely not the "norm", but they absolutely exist.

@Scfng08

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, and they are becoming more popular. I'm seeing them pop up all over the place(Southeast)

@looteverybody

2 жыл бұрын

Same here in the Midwest.

14:37 this would've been a level crossing in an American city. Level crossings with trains are common on local streets and minor collectors in the United States.

@icantthinkofaname2176

2 жыл бұрын

@@automation7295 Yeah, depends how busy the crossing is

@Bakerking3

2 жыл бұрын

@@icantthinkofaname2176 In the LA area the train lines are very busy due to the Long Beach port. Its a mix of level crossings or underpasses where the road dips below normal ground level but the train stays level.

There are roundabouts in the US, despite what some of the people are saying. They're not super common, but they're increasingly being built (often with a lot of complaints from angry people who don't know any better), even in backwaters like Spokane, where I live.

We have entirely too many stop signs in the USA. This has been studied. Somewhere around 90% of the stops signs in this country can be converted to yield signs. this will result in a safer road system across the board. Remember, a yield sign still requires you to stop if there is other traffic in the intersection with the right of way. Stopping when there is no traffic in the way is energy inefficient and less safe.

Some more related to the transit mod: - You can choose multiple buses which are used on the line (even change their capacity there). However, the current buses won't update until you either press the little button over the scrolling menu to update all buses on the line, or delete a single bus and make it respawn from the depot. - Put the specific line configuration tab on (at the bottom of the window). Otherwise, all the changes apply to every single line. - You mentioned in the previous video about the annoying position of the line configuration window. Indeed, it is annoying, but there is a logic: it pops up over the first stop, which you can also change per line along with the number and colour (the first page). - In the options, you can choose which nearby entities (districts, services, you name it) affect the naming of lines and stops on them. You can also change names of stops manually if you want which is cool. I've recently started to name every service (e.g. fire station, parks...) with a unique name or append with the name of the district. This is directly reflected on the stop names, plus when you click on a vehicle or a person, you'll see where they come from and where they are going more precisely instead of just "Dog park" 😄 You should try it as well!

@Gnare

2 жыл бұрын

^^^ CAME TO SAY THIS ^^ Also - once you enable "use specific config on this line", you will get another button that appears that lets you just set the vehicle count, directly, rather than a budget %.

In America, the older neighborhoods are in a grid pattern- and may have some commercial/shops intermixed. The more so the closer to a city center you are. The newer neighborhoods have very limited access points from main roads and are strictly houses. The roads can be straight or curvy but are not in any way considered a through-route or shortcut- a lot of cul-de-sacs. A lot of them are gated to add perceived security and prestige and have a clubhouse and maybe a neighborhood park. Shops, services, etc. are on the main roads as a rule. Pre 1970's neighborhoods are considered older and after that- newer... roughly. Also, a lot of the newer neighborhoods have detached houses on very small lots now, you can almost reach through your neighbor's window for toilet paper without rising from your own toilet.

@amaresch66

2 жыл бұрын

And yeah, like some of the other comments- there are a ton of fast-food and other franchised stores in cookie cutter buildings. And strip malls in varying states of repair. The indoor malls are dying off but there are more outdoor type shopping areas meant to pretend to be a city center. And you'll need to use a lot of stroads.

@jax1411

2 жыл бұрын

The exact reason I sold 70 acres and moved from Texas to Mississippi. When I bought the land in Tx there were around 20 houses around me...when I sold it they were building roughly 250 houses and had finished over 100. It was a mess and I hated seeing the beautiful country side be turned into a country club

We have "yield" signs all over the place here. It's the same as "give way", I'd think.

@thedoctor4637

2 жыл бұрын

When a smaller road “T”s into a larger it’s a stop. Equally large have lights. And smaller junctions are right of way yield. Yield is also used for slip lanes.

We’ve got loads of round-abouts in my area. Gotta go thru three just to get to my local Costco. I think they’re gaining popularity in the US, especially in areas where the population is growing rapidly.

Hi Biffa! Typically here in the states, residential roads in a town are 25MPH, with the "main drag" being usually 35MPH. Once you get out of town, "state roads" tend to be 55MPH, rural roads are 45MPH, and major interstate highways range from 65-70MPH - they can dip down to 55MPH in congested areas (which in my opinion causes the dang congestion!!). Also, you're correct about stop signs. They're freakin' everywhere, especially in towns. Every. Intersection. Except for the "main drag" will usually have traffic lights on the terminating ends.

Area three looks like the best place. There's round abouts in the States. Where I was born they were called rotaries. Speed limit in an area with mostly houses is usually 20-25, and you can usually find more parks dotted around them.

For roads in america, at least my area, neighborhoods and backroads are generally 30 or 25. Highways/busier/bigger roads are usually 40 or 45, and interstates usually don't go above 70

@jimuicker4731

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, here in Michigan, residential streets are always 25, and in populated areas, two lane roads are usually 35 while multi-lane arteries are generally 40 or 45. Urban freeways (limited access, no stopping) are 55 over a certain population density, and 70 in suburban areas. In rural areas, freeways are 70 and other roads are 55. Speed is reduced around schools, construction or places where the road is treacherous. Traffic circles are increasingly common in low-traffic areas, and public transit is always underfunded and underutilized. Cities usually have buses, but as far as I know there is no city in Michigan with any subway or light rail. Downtown Detroit has two trams (one is elevated), and both routes are less than 5 miles. Most common arterial road has 3 lanes in each direction, either with a center lane for turning left, or as a boulevard. Limited access freeways (ramps and interchanges, no stopping) are extensively used in the U.S., with at least 3 lanes in each direction in cities, while rural freeways have 2 lanes in each direction. Except for a few large bridges, Michigan doesn't have toll roads, but some states have them for main routes. In this state, we have something that everyone calls a "Michigan left turn." Here, on boulevards, you can't turn left in an intersection. You have to go straight through the intersection, and there will be a turn-around lane across the median about 100 yards beyond the intersection. Turning vehicles have their own lane so traffic behind them does not stop, but there's a usually a signal for oncoming traffic, which keeps the turn lane from backing up. After you do the U-turn, you go to the intersection and turn right (right turns on red are allowed after stopping). Another common feature of U.S. urban freeways is the "frontage road." In Michigan, we call it a "service drive." This is a one-way road that runs along the freeway in the same direction as traffic on each side of the freeway. At each intersection, cross streets have a viaduct to get across the freeway, but there's a traffic light for the service drive on each side of the freeway. Instead of using a cloverleaf for these intersections, it is common to use short ramps between the freeway and service drive to exit the freeway about a quarter mile before the intersection and enter the freeway about a quarter mile after the intersection. In Michigan, most streets provide access to the service drive, even if they aren't big enough to cross the freeway, but except for gas stations at main intersections it is uncommon for businesses to have entrances on the service drive. It's common for the service drive to be at the same elevation as the surrounding streets while the freeway is sunk below ground level or occasionally elevated.

“Whoa! That’s looking dangerous.” Yup…very American, for sure! 😉🤣 Residential streets in the US are typically going to have a 25 mph speed limit. Commercial districts might be 35 mph, while collectors and arterioles would be 45 mph. Highways vary from 55 to 65. Freeways and “interstate” highways are usually 65 mph, but may drop to 55 in busy city areas and then jump to 75 mph in rural areas. We do have roundabouts in America, just not very many. Yields would be appropriate at the few roundabouts we do have, as well as at highway/freeway intersections.

@ThePeMB1

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone ends up driving 5-10 over the speed limit though. Idk if in Britain people follow the speed limit more closely? Which would make sense why they have 30 for roads that in the us are 25

@noahkohn9350

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePeMB1 I certainly can’t argue with you on that point. 🤣🤣🤣

Two more things ;) The library would look great at the end of the park The path over the railway could cross the stroad as well and connect to the school Keep it coming :D

Hey Biffa. really liking how you are making the map Your bridge at 10:56 goes over a railway line as everyone can see. Just wanted to mention that the railway track in much of that area is actually raised up on a mound. This'll make the rest of your roads going over the top higher due to the railway lines being higher as well.

For American style cities, make sure you include plenty of Stroads. 😉 Road (high speed connection between larger areas) and street (local roads that businesses connect to) hybrids that fail at being either. 🤣🤣🤣

7:40 In the US, at least where I live 35 mph is the standard street speed. 30 mph is considered somewhat stingy. Expressways will be somewhere from 65-80 mph depending on the state. Standard highways will be 55-70 mph, with 45 mph not being uncommon on somewhat built up, but not quite urbanized roads.

Hey, Biffa, we are seeing more roundabouts in places that don't quite warrant a traffic light but traffic is a touch too heavy for an all-stop, especially in rural areas.

There’s definitely roundabouts in American, there’s two in my neighborhood 🤷🏾‍♂️ may not be as prominent as other places but there’s roundabouts here for sure!

I reckon area number 3 will be perfect for the university😁 Also reckon that some liberties can be taken for give way (Yield) signs as the traffic will just break if you don't use it. Awesome build I just love your videos and keep it up.

I know it was literally just put in, but I feel like the bus station is in a perfect spot for an intercity bus station, which you unlocked at the very end of the episode. Inter-city buses at least use to be very common in the US, so having one slotted in there would be great. (Plus that asset still works as a bus station unless I am mistaken)

@stephenreardon2698

2 жыл бұрын

and the land immediately opposite would make a good location for the first, though not main, train station

University areas, based on my time working at one: Area 1/2: Would be a small school that does what us Americans call "community college" which in UK terms is most equivalent to A levels or certain GCSE - They're schools that maybe have a handful of dorms, a few facilities, but not things like your huge campus sports facilities. The best representation in-game would be a Trade School. The in-game "community college" or other specialty schools (I forget what they're called, fine arts institute and something technical) don't *really* exist in the US. Area 3: Would be a small-medium sized university that's basically the same as the UK "university" levels. Would have most facilities, but wouldn't have a huge school population, maybe 6000-10000 undergraduates. This would be something like a Harvard or Yale. This would be a "liberal arts" school Area 4: If you wanted to emulate a HUGE university in the US with sports programs of all types at an extremely high level (i.e. University of Alabama), and tens of thousands of students, this would be the best area for that, and that would be the "University" style campus area. In the US, a smaller city might have a community college but no "university" or "liberal arts" school. Bigger cities usually have a community college and at least one of the other two types of school. Also, it could be CommuniTEA college.

@nicholascmartinez

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent assessment! Wholeheartedly agree.

I think that maybe a university would look nice on area #3

Biffa, generally in North America the intersections have a Left Turn only lane and a Right and Straight On Lane. Usually enough for a half dozen cars to line up in. Enjoying the series:)

@KaiHenningsen

2 жыл бұрын

can see the logic, but that would just about kill "turn right on red", wouldn't it?

Thoughts on roads from someone who has lived everywhere in the USA. 1. There ARE roundabouts. Generally in newer cities. both in residential, AND as little interchanges for small highways 2. Residential roads are almost always 25mph 3. commercial areas roads (in cities) are 35-45mph. But you RARELY see roads higher than 45mph within city limits (unless its a highway) 4. we do Yield signs all the time. mainly on smaller residential roads. but go for it. Loving the build!

We absolutely have roundabouts in the US. Feel no grief Biffa. The road used in front of the elementary is just like the pick-up/drop-off lines you’d see over here too. High schools typically have a LOT of parking, lots of students driving themselves to and from school.

@artistfkaW

2 жыл бұрын

That's a potential change for C:S 2 that I'm undecided about. It would be much more realistic to have parking lots all over, but that's a Pandora's Box situation. The realistic parking setting in one of the mods (or maybe it's base game) still doesn't really force the builder to take parking into account other than aesthetic choices.

Actually there are roundabouts in the USA. I've seen them near universities, in older apartment complexes, near newer suburban areas, and even entering into. Larger city where they needed it to get off the interstate.

Area 3 looks like the best option, a bit more space than the others.

For speed limits in the US (or really roads in general), you can do whatever the heck you want since traffic laws and regulations vary slightly by state. In New York, residential/side roads are usually 30mph (15mph/20mph for school zones), 40mph (or sometimes different: 30-45mph depending on density) for semi-main roads (the ones that run through neighborhoods/mainly small scale commercial), 45-55 for main roads, 55/60 for highways (at least in urban/suburban areas), and 55-70mph for interstates (though 65 is most common). Keep in mind, most of this is based of Long Island, Central New York, and major highways/interstates going between them because that’s where most of my road experience is. If you all go to Syracuse, be warned the road system is kind of messed. I swear the road planners must have been on something when they designed the roads in Syracuse. But yeah, I’ve seen many other comments saying different things, but most things seem to be within 5-10mph of each other for the same road types.

Tons of us cities+towns of round a bouts. They are infrequent, but their installation is usually only stalled in towns that Have not had them before or have an exceptionally high senior population. Where i live we had to remove a round a bout because the population in the 2 neighborhoods around the round about on one side of the island were mostly seniors. They had like 15 accidents the first year it was in place so they swapped it back to an intersection. In my hometown theyve had a roundabout for the last 10 years and it was only “confusing” for the first couple months. Roundabouts really only get considered a hazard by those that havent experienced them yet. Where they are present, they are generally common like you would find elsewhere…if that makes sense? When it comes to grid roads you need to keep in mind that style is mostly caused by how our roads used to have trams. Unfortunately car comanies basically defunded those and most stuff made after the 70s have a similar to your uk neighborhood windy way suburbs. Grids are actually ✨too convenient✨ as they would allow public transport(a service that is actively lobbied against by corporate interests) easy access to homes.

@TheOriginalBadger

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously? Public transport is lobbied *against* ?? That's crazy!

I seem to remember seeing in someone else's videos the option in tmpe menu or default menu the option for "right on red" which when i was living in MI was the way people in the USA drove, meaning even at traffic lights on a red light you can turn right. If you are wanting to do this as an american theme you should consider turning that on. as well as things like the "Michigan left" on some roads. As always enjoy your videos

@turtleofthemoon

2 жыл бұрын

I was actually just wondering if CS could do right on red as I was watching this video! Intersections that allow right on red seem a lot more likely to have a dedicated right turn lane to let people out than ones with no right on red, since then the left and straight people both have to wait for the light when the right doesn't. No right on red seems to favor a dedicated left turn lane, since they're usually the ones that have to wait for a gap in traffic to go. Of course that's purely observational, I'm no traffic engineer.

For the university, area three sounds like the best option in my opinion.

There are a TON of give way signs and roundabouts in America. The only difference is we call them yield signs. Don't let complainers dictate how you design a city. We love watching you for your creativity

I would think about sinking the railway through busy areas and running the highway straight over the top. They would be nice and flat. Absolute love every series you release. Thanks for the content.

The area between the two districts, behind the tram depot could make for an amazing park

@farmingpotato3372

2 жыл бұрын

Probably too much road there

@16umarfarooq

2 жыл бұрын

@@farmingpotato3372 you could have a park with roads going through the middle. Even if not a park, a nature reserve would be pretty cool. Like a thick wooded area

Hey Biffa, how's it going? Loop busses are very uncommon in America. They typically do a single straight line out to a major destination, and return along the same path (as close as possible), making stops along the way and stopping at the same stops on the way back (opposite side of the road within reason). They then collect at transit hubs where you can change to a higher mode of transit or simply switch to another bus. Also, busses in America don't typically turn left (crossing traffic) unless the street layout forces them to turn left.

@artistfkaW

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed: mostly uncommon. If you want to confuse an American, put the northbound (or whichever direction) bus stop anywhere except across the street from the southbound bus stop of the same line. I think it's because when the car-related industries ripped out almost all of our streetcar lines in the 20th century they got replaced with buses running up and down the same drags in an attempt to fulfill the same purpose.

Awesome build, Biffa! It was great to see the buses put in. If there's one thing I love to see in a city, it's buses. Probably because I'm on one for much of my week going back and forth to work. That bus hub location looks fantastic. I was also happy to see those long curved blocks in Brook Heights. Typically blocks are long here -- sometimes 16 or more houses in a row -- so that looked plenty realistic to me. As some other commenters pointed out, a lot of US bus lines tend to be just between locations and on major arteries instead of following through loops (unless making a turn), typically linking hubs or different forms of transit. In the NYC/Long Island area, buses tend to link between different train stations, subway stations, malls/parks/stadiums, colleges, commercial districts, etc. In my area, few buses run through residential areas because, well, folks have the opposite view as Cities:Skylines when it comes to buses and property value/noise/attractiveness. :)

10:46 Ah, they'll be FINE! lol 13:02 Just casually watching people barreling through parked cars! Am I the only one that thinks this is both SUPER hilarious AND all to accurate build?

Comments are only partially true on stop signs. Yield (“give way”) signs are usually for merging on and off the highways and roundabouts. Stop signs and lights are at 4 way intersections. “T” intersection are 50-50 depending on traffic volume. (In game I use yield because stop signs cause traffic issues).

@tiffanynixon1809

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I also think American drivers tend to treat stop signs more as yield signs in many cases and most don't fully stop at the intersection before proceeding through. Like at 33:15, most cars wouldn't fully stop in that situation if it were a real life situation in my opinion!

An american city/town without a McDonald's and massive gas stations is incomplete. Waiting for those to be added soon😁

@apolloj23

2 жыл бұрын

And gun violence.

@arandomdudewithhobbies3318

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the "there can never be too many parking" mentality.

@landonsandor591

2 жыл бұрын

@@arandomdudewithhobbies3318 except where it's NEEDED, then there's NONE

area 3 obviously, look at that beautiful space + the river would look amazing

I'd go for area 3 for the university. It has enough space for the items you'll need and (1 and 2 seem too small) and area 4 seems like a good area to continue expansion of the city, and could potentially provide for another connection to the highway.

Great Video as always. And as "Random Twin" said, yes we have roundabouts and if people know how to use them they work great. Here in my city they put in a Dimond interchange, guess thats what they call it. At first I thought it was going to be a mess, but it seems to work well. I don't play this game anymore, but watch all your vids just to see what Creative Ideas you come up with and I'm never disappointed. Thanks.

@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines

2 жыл бұрын

:-)

@timohaire4544

2 жыл бұрын

It's probably a diverging diamond. Actually a pretty interesting interchange design.

I'd leave speed limits low as the game defaults, there seems to be a lot of movement in some North American cities to add traffic calming measures and drop speed limits to 40 km/h in Canada and 25 MPH in the US on non-arterial roads to encourage pedestrian use. Arterials are commonly 50-60 km/h in Canada and 35-45 MPH in the US. Freeway speeds on the other hand are increasing.

@cm24624

2 жыл бұрын

If he's going for any kind of realism, 50mph on a roundabout is absurd. lol

Roundabouts in America are a beast on their own. Not that they are not here. They are hardly seen. And in places like Washington DC residential areas, they manage to put traffic signs on their entrances road (🤷‍♂️). Or they still put a crossing pair of one way roads splitting the roundabout if they are a 6 exit roundabout. Or they are just a mess: search for the Major Gen. George H. Thomas Memorial roundabout at Wash DC and you will understand. And let us not forget if you are mimicking an East Coast town, speed limits are but a suggestion of how slow you should be driving. Also common are small towns spawned in highways. Replace a few dozen blocks of highways into a two way 4 lanes road and plop commercial and residential houses, and grow it up from there.

I'd go for area 4, because it has loads of space for a nice big university campus, is central so everyone can visit easily and has lots of access points! Also, the paths on those long suburban streets would be more useful if they had connections on the long sides, people can already walk just fine in the direction you put in 😊

I think it would be more realistic to lower the train tracks into the ground, that way the roads don't need elevating over them. Just need a small bridge over the tracks.

I like the idea of a decorative roundabout, makes me think of the Orange Circle here in SoCal. It has a real old town vibe to it (it’s where they filmed the Tom Hanks movie That Thing You Do). Perhaps a shopping roundabout where I could see the clock tower as part of it? And is there an orange flavored tea it could be named after?

Area 3 for sure! I feel that universities are always much bigger than I originally plan for, plus it’s nice to keep buildings spread out on the campus…and you can’t beat that scenery by the river!

9:00 just use the parallel tool, select the road u want to place click from-to on the nodes u want on the rails, adjust as u want. Easy life

@donnieinman8049

2 жыл бұрын

The parallel tool is such a time saver and you get perfectly parallel roads/rails/paths, etc.

Biffa you don’t like the solid median on the 4 lane road….. why not just use the one with the breakable median as the standard? That would be normal anyway. Or take advantage of it and make all those grid connection onto the minor road, but have it not affect traffic because the median remains unbroken so all turns are slip turns.

@Warren_L.

2 жыл бұрын

Even better -- use Vanilla+ roads and you won't have to deal with the odd median effects of the BIG road pack.

You could make the roads connecting to the bus station one way ccw, then the nodes being so close together wouldnt be a big problem

22:25 Actually 11 X 22 is the ideal C:S block size for an American city because you can put service alleys in an H pattern in the interior so all four streets have a back alley. Plus you max out the efficiency of laying out your water pipes

No Biffa, they changed the noisyness stuff quite some time ago. The Roads and Railtracks themselves do not produce noise anymore. The Vehicles on them create the noise. So more traffic, more noise etc. An Empty Road is as silent as it goes.

Tip. Let the two roads connect together and make a T going underground the railway to reach other side

It's Biffa in the future, and it is episode 3, and he said "i'll name the city on the third episode" by the way Biffa the city should be named Tea York and the bridge over the river should be called Golden Leaf bridge, like tealeaves, and the river should be called Teasippi River.

Hey Biffa -- just a quick note about roads in the US: the only time those suburban roads are used is in neighborhoods with very little traffic (and technically also shopping centers/private property). All other roads either have a median or the double yellow lines. A good way to think about it is if cars are using the road to drive through an area and not access a house, it needs the double yellow line. Also, most neighborhoods in the US are not grid-based and instead free form, even if the neighborhoods are close to downtown. One city you could use for reference (if you want to make this city accurate to a smaller US city + surrounding towns) would be Charlotte, NC. If you look at the neighborhoods just southwest of the downtown area (downtown is within the i277 highway loop) you can see the neighborhoods are still not complete grids even though they are within a few miles of downtown. Also, charlotte uses trams for public transport which is what made me think of it. Love the series so far by the way, and it's really cool to see how street layouts, buildings, etc. differ between countries!!

@sheepdog1637

2 жыл бұрын

Just a note: this must depend on where in the US you live because every city around where I’ve ever lived is a grid system until you get to developments formed after the mid 90’s

@smiley__2338

2 жыл бұрын

@@sheepdog1637 That's fair -- I've lived in a bunch of different places up the east coast so maybe because they're older (I'm talking more the smaller cities/big towns and like 100-250 years old) they're more sprawl and less grid? I'm not sure where you live but maybe further out west it becomes more griddy?

@sheepdog1637

2 жыл бұрын

@@smiley__2338 yeah typically those old towns had roads that lead to the town center, I’m in the Midwest and it’s all grid, even country roads here are 1 mile square grids for the most part

Area 3 is amazing looking, the best student housing!

the city is to walkebal for a american style city the publick transport is to good for a american style city. american cities have tarible publik transport you need more carparks. a american city has lots and lots more parking spaces not enough traffic lights. a american city has lots of traffic lights

I had the same problem with the Fine Road Tools menu disappearing. I would be interested in knowing if anyone finds out why it is doing that.

@flepgg

2 жыл бұрын

I have the same issue sometimes. I noted it happens when we adjust use the pageup/pagedown keys to adjust the height, but doesn't happen all the time. Not sure if is a weird combination of using the pick pick mod or find-it to select a network then adjusting the height and then it will break the fine road tools making it disappear each time.

@davidkalisch7168

2 жыл бұрын

I have the same issue from time to time

There is this “roundabout” that is called the Milford oval in Milford New Hampshire USA. It looks like a triangle. And it is surrounded with shops and restaurants and pubs. It would be cool to see your rendition of it!!!

I've only been to the USA for a total of 3 weeks back in 2006, but if my memory serves me correctly, the speed limits (in New Hampshire at least) were the one thing that was smaller than in the UK and always by 5 mph! (25mph in towns, 55mph outside of them and 65mph on the interstate.)

@2020catcrazy

2 жыл бұрын

Close.. side street r 25 ...main street 35/40 ....freeway 65/70 ...highways 80/85

The US has Roundabouts. We call them "traffic circles" here in the NorthEast. There are other regional names too.

@allenincascadia3100

2 жыл бұрын

Roundabouts are what they are called on the west coast.

@artistfkaW

2 жыл бұрын

DC for instance is famous for its (somewhat frustrating) roundabouts. I'm sure people from every city in the NE say the same thing.

@Gregnier

2 жыл бұрын

@@artistfkaW up here they're mostly on state roads outside metropolitan areas. DC is just like "We designed this in the 1700s and we're too stubborn to fix things! lets squeeze them in the 20' between three 200 year old buildings!"

'If I go down here, it could lead to somewhere interesting' That sounds like my wife every time we're out driving. 20 minutes before we're completely lost and have to retrace the route.😏

There ARE roundabouts in America. They are just not as common as England. They are also called "traffic circles" in some areas but it's the same thing. So having a roundabout in your American city is NOT a bad thing. Actually, the road that takes you into Sedona, AZ has like a 1/2 dozen roundabouts on it to slow down the traffic.

I was taught that residential areas here in the US are set at 25 MPH with the exception of Avenues where you can go up to 35 MPH. I don't know if that's an Oregon thing (I remember reading speed listinging in the DMV study guide because those questions were on the test) because I'm seeing a bunch of comments saying 30+ MPH in residential areas which doesn't sit well with me because the idea is you would want people to drive slower in areas where they could easily hit someone- the lower your speed the less likely you are to kill someone if you hit them.

The big rail junction / cross roads should be called "Union Junction"

Hey Biffa, I'm assuming you've got some kind of KZread statistics available and I'm wondering if you could (maybe later in the series) compare viewing counts (and where people are watching from) of the British vs the US cities series?

Concerning your power issues on this city and your UK build as well. You need to stagger, spread out your power plants. I forgot how many power plants you have, but at least two are near each other. Move one of them closer to the area where you were getting no available power. Imagine if the UK only had its power plants in Manchester. Centrally located and ran power lines to the north and south. By the time the power lines reach London or Edinburg, there would be no more power. In Cities, the simulation seems follow this reality pretty well. I like to supplement my power needs with wind turbines strategically farther from the main power plants. I would also hook up the built in Hydro Power plant. You have green energy right in front of you and you're using fossil fuels. Love your videos!

We definitely have roundabouts in America, I personally think we don't have enough. They're genius to me.

We do have round-a-bouts in America. There's a town in Indiana? that replaced all there intersections.

@NWIndianaElevators

2 жыл бұрын

And that town is Carmel, Indiana, a suburb of Indianapolis (or Indy for short if you live in Indiana)

Biffa’s really puffing out videos like that bus interchange is puffing out buses

@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines

2 жыл бұрын

:-)

@railwayenthusiast7482

2 жыл бұрын

:D

biffa, commenters keep saying Americans using stop signs everywhere and you didn't in this build (until today's episode). and while that is true that we do that over here, it's also true that almost everyone performs rolling stops which is similar to yielding. any American that approaches a stop sign, and traffic is clear, they do not fully stop 😅. i think yield signs would be fine as it would simulate that pattern of driving better. and help your traffic flow

7:10 in USA. Most Side Streets will have a Speed Limit of between 20 to 30 MPHs. While Most Main Roads in a City or town or Village Might have Speed Limit of between 35 to 45 MPHs. (45mph Speed Limit is actually ALOT higher then what Most Villages, Towns, Cities would have on a Main Road but They are around in some areas.) I would say the Avg Speed Limit on a Main Road would be 35mphs. While Avg Speed on Side Streets are 25 MPHs.

Many US-universities and colleges especially in the West grew out of mission stations. I would expect the University campus be close to the old mission trail that once ran through the area, which would probably have followed the river. Thus I would place the university close to the river banks.

Hi. Welcome to America. We have roundabouts all over the place (9 within a mile of my house), and we also don't have Stop signs all over the place. Plenty of Yield signs (give way) around, including intersections, highway and freeway on and off ramps, etc. Besides, this game is about how YOU would do it, not really about how different nations/provinces/states/cities do things.

I like Area 3 for the campus. Also, you still need to add crosswalks on that main commercial road so the tram passengers can get on and off of the median.

I'm sure you'll get plenty of comments on the roundabout question, but in my sleep suburban town in Massachusetts of just 19,000 people, we have FIVE roundabouts. They do confuse some people if they've never seen them before, but they're not the rarity they used to be decades ago.

It’s true, roundabouts aren’t common here in the US, but they are becoming increasingly more popular. So much so that my country bumpkin hometown got one a few years ago. Your roundabout gets a 👍🏻 from this American.

Speed limits in residential areas in the US are 25, for main roads 25-30. The fastest roads you'll see in town are 35, max. You would start seeing 45 as you're reaching the edge of a town or it's a very large road with few turns or if it's about to turn into a freeway. As for stop signs, I just moved to Oregon and found that there are a lot of residential neighborhoods that simply have yield signs through them, not stop signs! Definitely on main roads, but west coast residential areas seem to use yield/give-way.

15:03 I know you're getting a lot of "In the US.." but I'll say that generally building a bridge is avoided if earth can be moved instead. So maybe lower the railroad tracks so a small road bridge can go over them, or perhaps tunnel under the tracks. More often are at-grade crossings. Also, we have tons of roundabouts, more than you'd think, but most Americans are terrible drivers and don't really know what the driving protocols for them are. Yield signs tend to occur when the entry is at an angle, but full on T-intersections would get Stop signs. Generally. There are plenty of exceptions. For local roads meeting collectors or arterials, main boulevards, etc, there would be a stoplight because it would be too slow like at 33:35 (timed lights and also sensor lights where it's always green on the main road and only switches as someone comes up to the side road). But in the end, this is your build and you do "American" however you want!!

area three would be perfect! I always like to integrate quay walls into the build and put either the administrative building or commencment thingy (can't remember the name) on the water front to get that view of the river. Great video excited to see more! also here where I live down in Florida we have plenty of yeild signs and whenever there isn't a stop or yield, we yield by default so it would make sense to have yields in the build but stop signs are in a lot of places too so