I don’t know how i came across this channel, but this is exactly what I’ve been looking for. Straight to the point. No fluff, no filler. Perfect

@shreyasdharashivkar8027

2 жыл бұрын

So which motherboard are you going to pickup MSI MAG Tomahawk DDR4 Z690 or MSI MPG Z690 Edge DDR4?

Was going to go with the Tomahawk but decided on the Gigabyte Aero G DDR4 since I'm not worried about overclocking. But this confirmed that the Tomahawk is a good board if I had gone that route. Great video, this channel needs to get more views for the awesome work you do.

Just finished my 12th gen build. I went with Asus Tuf, so far no issues but did need a bios update to run ram on xmp. Was able to get it for $250 on a Newegg sale.

@hevz6339

2 жыл бұрын

Can you have ddr5 on it?

FIRST! Looking forward to your B660 review since I'm planning to get myself a 12400.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, really looking forwards to digging into those boards, as B660+i5-12400 or i7-12700 looks like they'll be the value/performance champions for a while!

Your channel is so underrated. You deserve more subs!

@Piotr_Majchrzak

5 ай бұрын

That's for sure!

Great vid, I'm going with the Tomahawk

Was great to find this video, as it reinforces my choice of the Tomahawk WiFi ddr4. For £230 I felt it was the best bang without any unnecessary flash. I've also gone for the 12700, which I'm happy about. But feel I've let the side down with the Corsair lpx 3600mhz c18 32gb. I wish I'd known a bit more about ram before buying it. It's my first build so bound to go wrong somewhere. Have seen a couple of your vid's in the past. Finally got round to subscribing. Don't know why it took me so long. Very informative thanks.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Wow £230 is a steal. Good find!! you'll enjoy it all the more at that price.

@harisnikolaou5703

2 жыл бұрын

why whould you say that about the vram? curious im building kind of a same build and opted to go for ddr4

@51im

2 жыл бұрын

@@harisnikolaou5703 Just feel I should have gone for 3200mhz at a faster clock speed. But probably doesn't matter in the real world. I'm happy with my choice of DDR4 over DDR5 though.

@jessicay8207

2 жыл бұрын

@@51im I’m going for cl16 3600 instead of cl18 as I think 3200 is too slow, I would go for cl14 but it’s a bit pricey for the amount of ram I want and I think the difference is nominal

@51im

2 жыл бұрын

@@jessicay8207 3600mhz cl16 seems to be the sweet spot. Going by videos I've seen recently

I'm in the process of finishing up my new build. Decided to go with MSI Z690 Carbon, Intel i7 12700kf, Corsair DDR5 5600 mhz, EVGA 3080, 2 - 1tb Crucial P5 Plus PCIe 4.0 m.2, EVGA 850 GR gold PSU, EVGA 280mm AIO cooler and the Gigabyte M28U. Got everything except the GPU under MSRP. Plan to overclock just about everything. Also going to do some testing with undervolting to see how efficient I can game in 4k. Thanks for your videos. They helped me make my decisions.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

No problem. Glad we could help. I've noticed the carbon has had a bit of a price cut, which makes it a lot more attractive now.

@kdcustoms1272

Жыл бұрын

How's the EVGA card holding up? I had 1 fail before been afraid to try again. Lol.

@picklemetimbers3003

Жыл бұрын

@@kdcustoms1272 It's been great to be honest. Not a single crash. I don't play games as much as I used to but I've yet to have an issue with any of the parts. I have not tried any undervolting on the GPU yet. Been too busy. Keep it cool and you should be good to go. Overheating is the main cause of a GPU failure. My motto has been. If you think you have enough fans add another one. Also, I'll tape a small piece of paper in the case and run the fans on high. Helps get an idea of airflow and where dead spots are if any. Good luck if you choose to try again. Been running EVGA cards for the last decade without failure.

Yep this is the motherboard I got the carbon. I love it and it's a freaking beast for overclockinng! Lol also the force isn't good it's supposed to be the same as the carbon but it's having issues it was rushed. I would of gotten it if I didn't find out about the issues. Tbh I'm happy with paying just over 300 for a motherboard that's at the level mine is!

Please do try to make a similar video for Z790 boards

Great video. I just paired up a 12700k with MSI Z690 Edge DDR4. Regarding RAM, which of these Samsung B-Die kits are better: 3600 14-15-15-35 1.45v or 4000 16-16-16-36 1.4v. I'm going to be manually tweaking, just wondering which one on paper or at lease in theory should have more potential. Thanks.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

You're splititng hairs between those RAM kits, they look virtually identical in total latency. I'd probably opt for the 4000MHz kit as you know it'll do that speed and the CPU will do Gear 1 at 4000Mhz (2000MHz memory controller speed). Then you can work timings down from there.

@Ben-ld1qi

2 жыл бұрын

@PremiumBuilds Thanks for the reply mate! Hahah yes they're very should be extremely close in latency. I don't mind bumping the voltage up to ~1.55v so I presume the timings should be able to tighten nicely. By the way I thought 4000MT/s was a little difficult with 12th Gear 1? From what I've seen most people get 3800~3900MT/s. Just don't wanna get my hopes too high. By the way I think that you really nailed the Z690 round up. I was really torn between the Tomahawk and TUF but eventually decided that for a bit more it's worth it, pretty much got everything. IMO a notch abive the TUF unless you prefer working with Asus.

Excellent, informative video. Thanks. I can't decide between the MSI mag z690 tomahawk wifi ddr4, and the ASUS tuf gaming z690-plus wifi d4 for my new build. Both boards seem close in tests. (I plan to use a i7 12700k CPU)

@Jeffersonalmeidacosta

Жыл бұрын

Same thing here😅

@AryAN-kh2xx

Жыл бұрын

@@Jeffersonalmeidacosta exactly same for me So which one you bought?

@Jeffersonalmeidacosta

Жыл бұрын

@@AryAN-kh2xx MSI mag z690 tomahawk wifi ddr4 the best thing i did in my entire life haha

@kdcustoms1272

Жыл бұрын

I've had a msi board in my first and only build for 8 years. Hate to think about how many hours are on it but probably 100k+. Guess I'm going to get the tomahawk for my next build.

I finally have my pc here's the setup intel i7 12700k air cooler Noctua NH-D15 msi z680 tomahawk ddr4 wd black 500gb 7k-r x 7k-w corsair 850w the last part is the gpu, waiting for the 3080ti xtreme

Just want to ask fpr the gigabyte X DDR4 board is there an adapter one could use for sound? Fpr example with my current aound system is uses the older out puts like the green/yellow and black cables, what do I have to dp to make this still work?

I'm wondering why the ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 was not included in your review? Tentatively that is my LGA 1700 motherboard selection. The current price tag is $349 in the US. I plan on using a G.SKILL F4-3600C16D-32GTZRC memory kit. That is a 2 x 16GB kit with CL16 16-19-19-39 timing, and it is listed as compatible with the motherboard. I will also use a 1 TB M.2 SSD along with my existing drives. I will use my existing graphics card. I think that I will get a new case and power supply, but I may reuse my old setup. What is your opinion on this setup?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's fine and should work well. Honestly, it was hard to pick these boards, and as I said in the video, almost all Z690 boards are 'good'. When you boil down the features/IO etc, the Rog Strix options tend to come out a little more expensive, by $50 or so, which is why they didn't get mentioned much here. But so long as you're ok with a bit of ROG tax, and the looks are worth the spend to you, that's fine. They work well.

Is the Gigabyte gaming X ddr4 a good choice for i5-13600k & 3200mhz ram?

what about best matx? im looking for this size with good audio codec

ASUS tuf gaming z690-plus wifi d4 i assume that if you use all the m.2 slots you won't lose any sata ports considering it only has 4 sata ports

can you do vrm testing like Hardware Unboxed?

Is the difference between 75A and 70A VRM considerable? Nice video btw 👍🏼

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Not for any normal use. Both are perfectly good.

Where to buy lga1700 mounting kit for Deepcool Assassin III cooler. They say it's free, how fast they will ship it? Thanks.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry I don't know! You'll have to ask Deepcool!

I'm going to build my new PC soon and I'm planning to go for RTX 4080 (16 GB) and Core i5 13600k. But I'm extremely confused regarding which motherboard or RAM should I pair up for the build to get max performance at 1440p on major AAA titles. Should I go for DDR5 just to be "future proof" ? Can you please recommended a perfect build for me ? Thanks in advance !

@picklerick3929

Жыл бұрын

msi edge insteaf of carbon if hou dont need the extra ss

@picklerick3929

Жыл бұрын

ssd slot

I picked up a MSI Z690 PRO-A when I upgraded to 12th gen. I didn't bother getting the wifi version since I don't use it anyway. For the price it's a really solid board

@belgen

2 жыл бұрын

Actually wifi option is a good option. If you are far away from the wifi router, you can set your pc as a mobile hotspot and connect your phone. Plus, it has built-in bluetooth.

@spentcasing3990

2 жыл бұрын

@@belgen True. For me I don't need those features because the wifi is spotty half the time and I already have a bluetooth adapter. So the money I save getting the non wifi version I can put towards another upgrade

@abdellatifcheater9833

Жыл бұрын

Which cpu are you using on that mobo and for how muh you got that

@spentcasing3990

Жыл бұрын

@@abdellatifcheater9833 I've got an i5 12600k. It was about $360 Cdn when I bought it

@abdellatifcheater9833

Жыл бұрын

@@spentcasing3990 do you recommend the z690 pro a board

Hi there, great vid, im getting a rog 3080, 12700k, already have a wd black Sn850 nvme ssd 1TB for boot and 4tb hdd for storage, 16gb 3600mhz C18 18-22-22 42 vengeance ram, and all im missing is the mobo cpu cooler (my room gets hot during the summer, i presume aio is better than air cooler) and psu, considering a RM1000W 80+ plat, because the price diff is around 30£ from a 850 gold 80+, im just undecided between mobos, tuf tomahawk or edge. I've seen countless videos, and I still dunno which one who give me best performance per money value, any feedback on what i could change/improve on my build, would be much appreciated, i mostly do gaming, planning to start streaming, thank you for attention!

@kdcustoms1272

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't bother with a hdd beings ssd's are so much more affordable now.

What shall be the best mothboard for a i9 13 gen non-K non-F Ddr-4 ram Working will be mostly on blender high rendering workloads Please do give your thoughts Since they were valueable on my 12gen i7 build Thanks 😇

Hello and sincerely congratulations for your detailed review, I bought the MSi z690 edge wi-fi and the i7 12700k CPU, but I think I got some ram that are not of great quality ... corsair vengeance pro rgb DDR4 3600 mhz cl 16 (CMW32GX4M4D3600C16) I think this serial number has a limited timing 16-19-19-36 my idea is to boost them to 4000mhz in xmp ... I will return them to amazon probably. if you had to choose between 3 types of ram for this pc,for a top gaming use only,which ram would you choose? could you help me to find the best ram please? it is better to buy 4x8 = 32gb or 2x16 = 32gb? Thx and Regards.

@jessicay8207

2 жыл бұрын

How is the edge and 12700k working? Is it good?

@shreyasdharashivkar8027

2 жыл бұрын

@@jessicay8207 Edge Z690 and i5-12600K and 12700K will both work flawlessly

@AdaaDK

Жыл бұрын

2*16gb , always use least posible ram(at highest posible gb density). mem controllers generally respond badly to 4 sticks being used vs only using 2. This is even worse for DD5 than for DDR4 as well.

the big question is when will DDR5 be affordable (i.e. about the same as DDR4 for the same capacity)? And when will it be more available? It seems a bit of a screw up in the industry with Intel going so hard into DDR5. This year Zen4 will be available and that too will support DDR5 so the memory manufacturers are on the back foot, and consumers are faced with paying twice the price right now. I came to the same conclusion re: MSI Tomahawk although in the US its price is high. Is there any advantage in heat management from a white board vs black?

@nadtz

2 жыл бұрын

This happens everytime with ram. When DDR3 and 4 came out it took some time for memory pricing to come down, then of course the older type memory goes up in price. I'm thinking with both intel and AMD launching it will be faster this time than it has in the past, but give it at least 6 months or so if not longer.

I am planning to build a pc with i7-12700k/DDR4 ram primarily for productivity and casually gaming purpose. Which mother board should I use?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

MSI PRO Z690-A or Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite would be my choice. Asus Prime Z690-P in third place. You don't need to go crazy, but you do need something that gets the best of the CPU and has sufficient expandability. If you want something smart looking at $250, the Gigabyte Aero G is available too. You can always check out the builds at buildpicker.com for inspiration!

no wifi cards in this, which one would you recommand ?

I love msi meg ace (though overpriced), can't find it in my area.

Hi, is it worth it to get gigabyte z690 gaming x even with the bios problem? Planing to build new pc within this or next week. Thx

@Daisudori

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, I have this board. All is good for me from bios F6 (now running F7, also good)

@loopywolf44

2 жыл бұрын

Did you end up getting it?

@chankokhoong2563

2 жыл бұрын

@@loopywolf44 Nah, i bought Asus Z690 Tuf Gaming ddr4 . No bios issue and working flawlessly without update bios.

@lburrsshinyhunts2253

2 жыл бұрын

I updated from f2 (the way it shipped) to f8a and still cannot get windows 10 to install. My m2 nvme hard drive was not recognized on f2, and i had to take out all ram sticks except one to even get it to display on the monitor. On f8a now, it shows the drive and everything but attempting to choose the windows image from usb yields a solid blue screen with no workaround I can determine. Going to attempt to download windows yet again (third time) onto a different flash drive and see if i can get anywhere. Been working on this shit show for over 20 hours probably

@stefan_es

2 жыл бұрын

@@lburrsshinyhunts2253 Good afternoon. Did you manage to solve the problem?

wasnt the Asus Tuff gaming z690 very bad in terms of the audio they use?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

It's a Realtek ALC1220 which is a perfectly serviceable Mid range aduio chip. The MSi A-pro use the budget ALC 987, almost everything else uses the 4080 which is the up to date 'high end' option. I wouldn't cal lthe TUF out on it's audio, it's just that at $290 it feels a bit sparse across the specificaiton. Fewer USB, 4 SATA ports... just a bit low end for a board at that price.

So sad no z690 ddr4 with qcode...staying on my z590 !

Please someone help me about this one; I don't need OC for the CPU. Should I buy Asus Prime Z690-P D4 or Tuf Gaming H670-Pro D4 ? They are same price here. I'm about to chose H670..

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, get the TUF, it's the nicer board!

@mesut7825

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thanks!

What's the best motherboard for B660M using these CPU's?

@AryAN-kh2xx

Жыл бұрын

B660 tomhawk

@members90

Жыл бұрын

@@AryAN-kh2xx ah, couple of months too late, got the B660m Mag Steel legend WiFi, is that good enough too? Thanks

Please suggest best option b/w these 2 for performance, quality etc. 🙏🙏 1. MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI DDR4 2. ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

They will perform the same. They are of the same quality. I prefer the MSI Edge, mainly because it's cheaper for the same feature set, and it has more high Speed (10GB/s ) USB A ports on the rear and more versatile PCIE Slot configuration.

@Lakshyakapila

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thank u...🙂🙂

@BISWASGAMER

Жыл бұрын

Please reply for best mag z690 and rgb edge z690

I’m disappointed to see that the Z690 Aorus Gaming Pro didn’t made it to the list. It’s the cheapest and the most well featured high end motherboard. It’s VRM configurations laughs at the Carbon and the Strix-F, while offering almost the same functions (tough it has no 2 x8 pcie configuration like the carbon) for a lot cheaper

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

It's a strong option for sure, but I haven't seen it for sale anywhere in the US or europe, meaning I couldn't compare retail price and so judge value. The VRMs on all these boards are also a bit of a moot point IMO: They're all beyond what any normal user needs, and you're better off going with an OC specialist baord if that's your aim. It does have a fantastic amount of USB ports though!

@venti9925

Жыл бұрын

I don't trust gigabyte or asrock. Gigabyte are always the "good enough" option. I'd like to see them step it up.

@bazsko9600

Жыл бұрын

@@venti9925 I’ve been working with all of the motherboard brands as well as a reviewer in Hungary. Sadly non of them are perfect and all brands have minor problems, but if it comes to the best pricing, Gigabyte usually has the upper hands amongst the 4 big brands. ASUS most of the time is overpriced, lately ASRock started to follow them on the same road, despite offering boards with worse components. MSI on the other hand has always been my favorite brand, but their stuff have problems too, for example mystic light constantly crashes Windows for no reason. I’m not biased to any of the brands, mostly I’m trying to find the best value in a product. But that’s just my point of view. -Ehe-

Legend has it, the only board worth its price is the APEX.

Got a msi mag z690 tomahawk ddr4 today for £180, I think I could’ve gotten it even cheaper but it’s ok, this vid helped a lot!

@heroicsquirrel3195

Жыл бұрын

@FRMNH new

@heroicsquirrel3195

Жыл бұрын

@FRMNH eBay

man what happend to you, i wish you good health !

el mio 12900k + msi mpg z690 carbon wifi compatible?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, no problem. The Motherboard has very strong VRMS and will support that CPU fine.

@ramseterra9526

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker gracias

MSI PRO Z690-P how is this? it's cheapest ddr 5

@kdcustoms1272

Жыл бұрын

I heard get the"A". Honestly I wouldn't worry about ddr 5.

Asus prime and creator motherboards have not been covered.

Beware if shopping for a 13 series on a Z690 board that some boards like the TUF gaming do not come with a flash bios button. I would go MSI for 13 series as they all have it.

@thunkjunk

Жыл бұрын

What does a flash bios button do?

@Slickman2006

Жыл бұрын

@@thunkjunk Z690 shipped with the 12 series CPUs. They will work with 13 gen CPUs but not out of the box, they need the new bios. The flash bios button allows you to put the new firmware on the motherboard so the new CPUs will work.

@thunkjunk

Жыл бұрын

@@Slickman2006 That helps, thanks. Luckily I just got an MSI Force Z690 and an i9 13900kf is on its way. Just out of curiosity: what happens if there is no flash bios button? Does the button just make it more convenient or is it necessary to update the bios?

@Slickman2006

Жыл бұрын

@@thunkjunk If there's no button you have no way of putting the new bios on the motherboard so the 13th gen CPU's will not work.

@thunkjunk

Жыл бұрын

@@Slickman2006 Thanks for replying to the newb. Cool, I should be fine then. I just took my mobo out of the box and checked the manual and I'll be fine...Thanks bro

tuf mobo has alc 897 what about dat

@dn500

Жыл бұрын

Very cheap audio chip, simply go for MSI bords.

Are gigabyte motherboards good quality? Because their graphics cards are relatively bad

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

They're fine. Like all manufacturers they make a range of products. Some early B660 and Z690 boards shipped with underdeveloped BIOSES, but that's resolved now.

@kdcustoms1272

Жыл бұрын

Why do you say their gpu is bad? I see just as many good reviews for them as any other. I did have a EVGA gpu go bad after a few years on my first build. The mobo is msi and I replaced the broke EVGA gpu with a msi. So far so good after 5 years so I'm going to stick with msi for now. The EVGA psu has been good the past 9 years tho. 😉

@kdcustoms1272

Жыл бұрын

They all probably made in the same building really. 😂😂🤦

these motherboards are all way over priced

@Frakkture311

Жыл бұрын

I got the msi z690 Wi-Fi edge ddr5 🤤 it’s sooo amazing

Does anyone know - Will No Power Limit (PL1-PL2) damage the 12700f cpu ???? When using a Asus Z690-P Prime D4 Motherboard best regards

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

No, the Prime P is a strong board and will support that CPU fine.

“There are no bad boards out there”…attempting to get windows 10 installed on gigabyte gaming x ddr4 mobo and I can heartedly disagree

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

What problems are you having?

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