About King Robert Baratheon, I like what Barristan said on the show to Jorah. "Robert was a good man, a great Warrior, and a terrible King." That pretty much summed him up from my p.o.v..

@thetalesofelbek7042

3 жыл бұрын

Blackfish said the same in the lore

@TheMrPeteChannel

2 жыл бұрын

At least Robert didn't burn any cities.

@tituselias2945

2 жыл бұрын

I dont mean to be so off topic but does someone know a trick to log back into an Instagram account..? I was dumb forgot the account password. I appreciate any tips you can offer me.

@albertosebastian9856

2 жыл бұрын

@Titus Elias Instablaster ;)

@williamcortelyou9072

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMrPeteChannel Uhhh... Robert pillaged quite a few citys. So did Ned. And i mean full sacking and raping. Remember, they were the rebel faction...

Simple rule: If a ruler's name appears more than once, the first ruler called that name is probably a good ruler, since everyone who is named after the original ruler's name would also want to be like them (eg. Aegon, Jaeherys). This also applies in real life too (Henry 1-8 in England, Louis 1-18 in France)

@Smansi_da_randumb

3 жыл бұрын

Daeron II was better than Daeron I, who lost over 50 000 men conquering and holding a kingdom he would lose, while Daeron II was an actual good king.

@Amazatastic

3 жыл бұрын

Rule applies in reverse too, if a ruler is particularly bad, or something bad happens to them (like getting their head cut off) it's way less likely another ruler will have that nane

@gfilmer7150

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the many King Edwards of England. Edward II was bad but the other five were good kings. EDIT: There are actually eight King Edwards of England.

@jacaerys4

3 жыл бұрын

@@gfilmer7150 Edward V and Edward VI weren’t that good though. Probably because they were kids

@gfilmer7150

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacaerys4 True. If they were older, they would’ve been better kings. My personal favorite was Edward IV, who was in a way the inspiration for Robert Baratheon and Robb Stark respectively.

Mance is cool too

@amongussus4

3 жыл бұрын

Hello

@DougieFresh1414

3 жыл бұрын

What about the queens? A video on them too maybe!?

@Pehrin187

3 жыл бұрын

@@DougieFresh1414 not as many of the queens have a direct effect on the governance of the realm. It’s basically Visenya, Rhaenys, Alyssa, Alysanne, Alicent, Cersei and then that’s it for people who really have a direct impact on the realm. Maybe the first Daenerys but only because of her acceptance of the marriage to Dorne set up by her brother. They are interesting characters, but I wouldn’t call any others but these women rulers. (He went over Rhaenyra in the other video so I don’t count her here)

@bebiswhale4306

3 жыл бұрын

@@DougieFresh1414 there’s only been one queen of Westeros and that’s where the dance of the dragon took place and she was even fully the ruler for her time because there was another claimant claiming to be the rightful ruler also women don’t really help rule that much the queens are mainly used for alliances and deals the only notable queen would be the old kings wife aka Jaeherys which helped a lot in the north but that’s the only person who actually ruled the realm somewhat and made some sort of meaningful deduction

@bebiswhale4306

3 жыл бұрын

@@DougieFresh1414 decision*

Aegon III should be on this list Dude was pretty good for being the Most Depressed Targaryen to ever exist

@adityaacharya2329

3 жыл бұрын

Lord-Protector of the Vale yes , the sulky boy king

@easymoneysniper5678

3 жыл бұрын

sad boy king

@thetalesofelbek7042

3 жыл бұрын

I also think so .

@nicholasloremann4741

3 жыл бұрын

He should but his grandpa should also be on the list, but being the ruler that ruled before the dance of the dragons then I can understand why he isn’t considered to be one of the best kings.

@TheHonoredOneAKA

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasloremann4741 viserys?

Jaehaerys II was the only king who united Westeros under one banner. During the war of the nine penny Kings. Even the iron Islands joined in the fighting.

@JacobMcCabe-jc7ll

3 жыл бұрын

QUELLLLLLOOOOOOOOONNNN GREYJOY..

@bloodraven5067

3 жыл бұрын

@@JacobMcCabe-jc7ll a great Greyjoy

@anasmouada9538

3 жыл бұрын

@@bloodraven5067 the only one

@nicmagtaan1132

Жыл бұрын

If ur a jaehaerys ur bound to be great

@luisdonoso6154

Жыл бұрын

@@nicmagtaan1132 Jon Snow should have been named Jaehaerys Targaryen

I think Viserys II should be considered a good king. He managed the realm as hand of the king while Daeron was conquering Dorne and Baelor was praying. That's about 14 years, and then one more year as a king on his own.

@Smansi_da_randumb

3 жыл бұрын

He was

@-THE_META

3 жыл бұрын

I read this a Viserys I and had to double take.

@alexanderward5286

3 жыл бұрын

That’s why he was mentioned as such

@mac2857

Жыл бұрын

He was a good Hand, sure but he was only King for one year so...

I cant believe you forgot the great king Joffrey, First of his Name. His marriage united 3 great houses, he lead the defence of the city and the Faith from Stannis and his heathens. He was always willing to settle disputes between his people, and even provided jobs for failed knights. He was also a strong champion of the rights of dwarves, being kind enough to provide them employment, in a show of kindness for his beloved uncle, who also suffered from dwarfism. He was willing to forgive the family members of his enemies, and allowed the daughter of the traitor Ned Stark to live a safe and happy life in the red keep, even providing her a husband when it wasnt seen as appropriate for them to marry. Long live our beloved king, and may he rest in peace.

@matt_9112

3 жыл бұрын

*TWO great houses

@alexturlais8558

3 жыл бұрын

@@matt_9112 He was created as a union between Baratheon and Lannister, and married a Tyrell. Id consider that 3 houses.

@matt_9112

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexturlais8558 yeah, but that's not his marriage, also he actually didn't create a Baratheon/Lannister alliance since he is 100% lion, making those two houses enemies for prolly the next 100 years if they both survive...

@alexturlais8558

3 жыл бұрын

@@matt_9112 how dare you spread the filthy lies of Stannis. That is slander, made up to discredit the true king.

@kirstybrown1185

Жыл бұрын

@@alexturlais8558 all hail the true king Joffrey.

If only Baelor Breakspear didn't die, he would have been one of the greatest Targaryen king

@thetalesofelbek7042

3 жыл бұрын

or Aemon or Baelon sons of The Old King, Duncan The Small ... Maester Aemon

@VinnyPTAstartes

3 жыл бұрын

Too bad the Gods favored Dunk's hand and foot over Baelor 😂

@raffaelepiccini3405

3 жыл бұрын

@@thetalesofelbek7042 no there were no guarantee baelor the brave and his brother Aemon would have been good kings.. they didn't seem like terribly bad neither think would say it's very much unknown, Baelon breakspears would have definitely been a good ruler

@thetalesofelbek7042

3 жыл бұрын

@@raffaelepiccini3405 no doubt about Baelor but Aemon and Baelon would be good kings , Alisanne said it ! Like terribly bad ? Way you assume that they would be bad ? Where are the facts ? You don’t know so just ignore ! They did nothing wrong but they were capable rulers and warriors. Alysanne said to Baelon that he would be even better that his father , she was very wise woman so I believe in her thoughts.

@truth6441

3 жыл бұрын

He entered a trial by combat for a hedge knight who defended a common dornish girl from a prince of the realm and got brained by his brother for his effort. This to me causes great concern for his priorities and decision making. He may have had morals appealing to 21st century readers but as a possible King he needed a lot of growth especially since he appeared dornish himself which already upset some lords.

Why isn't Maekar I also considered a good king, in fact considering his reign was peaceful and fair. The way he punished his sons for their mistakes and educate Aegon V to be better than his elder brothers does really mark good stuff about him.

@deadchild3927

3 жыл бұрын

There should be two separate videos, one for their rule and one for how they were as a person, robert made shit decisions as a person but had a decent time for the common folk whole ruling

@cassiusfelix2805

2 жыл бұрын

True

@Balon-Breakspear

5 ай бұрын

Facts

idk why people think Robert was a good king, because of him people like Littlefinger, Varys and Cersei gained an unhealthy amount of power and destroyed the realm, he should've been more involved and more strict on these people and his own son, he's the reason Ned is dead and the entire seven kingdoms are in war, a bit like Viserys the first, his reign was peaceful and pretty normal, but in the end he made some crappy decisions so when he died the world split.

@dragospinx1440

3 жыл бұрын

His "own son" ??

@TheMoistDonuts

3 жыл бұрын

Its not that he made crappy decisions. Its that he made no decisions. He left the “ruling” to his hand or those in power around him to do it all which gradually made things worse. Robert’s faults was that he was a good person, a war hero even, but he knew nothing about ruling and event hated ruling. He was a soldier first and foremost and found he would prefer to be in the thick of it all than to be ruling from the side Making him king is what made his downfall clear. He grew fat, did nothing but fuck whores, tell stories of the past, drink, eat, sleep, and piss. He made no desire to actually rule

@yousofzaid872

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMoistDonuts exactly, he made no decisions, like I said he should've stepped in and cut of their heads before they gain even more power and grow, idk I think Bobby B could've been a good king if he actually cared enough to try.

@gfilmer7150

3 жыл бұрын

@@yousofzaid872 He's a fun character but fun characters are always irresponsible.

@matt_9112

3 жыл бұрын

Robert with a Bloodraven style hand would probably be a fabulous combination, kinda like Maekar, but more popular and without the Balckfyres looming. He's by far not the best, but also not among the worst by any stretch, simply by virtue of not being insane and not being a dick (e.g. legitimizing his bastards, he sure as hell is the no. 1 contented for Aegon IV. in that department).

my favorite king was Maekar but I appreciate Daeron's rule the most. He was dealt a way worse hand than Jaehaerys and in spite of that, did the best he could

@gfilmer7150

3 жыл бұрын

Daeron II was good. It doesn't matter who won The Blackfyre Rebellion, whoever won would've been a good king. Daeron got rid of all of the corruption while Daemon was an honorable warrior/rebel who got killed by his honor (if you get what I'm implying)

@targaryen7029

3 жыл бұрын

Maekar is the Targaryen version of Stannis the Mannis. I love him.

@erikringutangochtala6179

3 жыл бұрын

Considering he was without dragons, just being the first King of the Rhoynar is already stellar.

@magnusthered4973

3 жыл бұрын

Father what are you doing off your throne your a corpse

@godemperorofmankind3.091

3 жыл бұрын

@@magnusthered4973 What do you care, son? You betrayed me

Bealor wasn't great, he was a loon who had a good hand. Aside from the vipers, all good things he did can be attributed to his hand. He was a nut job who spent a bunch of money on a sept, if Aerys i isn't considered great, than neither is Bealor, both were preoccupied by things other than rule

@Argos-xb8ek

3 жыл бұрын

@MASON LUCK He put the Realms in debt and didn't care that his kingdoms were a ticking timebomb

@VinnyPTAstartes

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. Kinda like how Tywin was a great Hand to Aerys

@theautomator8372

3 жыл бұрын

@MASON LUCK this is a list about good kings not good hands

@theautomator8372

3 жыл бұрын

@MASON LUCK yeah that makes sense however I think the main reason baelor is on this list is because of his actions during the first few years. While robert started off bad already with his marriage to cersei. Not to mention he fathered many bastards and hated his brother Stannis for pretty much no reason and the reasons given aren't Stannis' fault. I still agree that baelor shouldn't have been on the list the guy was a fanatic(which is something I have always despised) and he imprisoned several female members of his family for a laughable reason. But I still think robert was a terrible king. If a king smiles when a war has started their on my shit list not to mention he rewarded the deaths of a toddler and an infant and sent assassin's to murder a newborn and a 5 year old. and as mentioned in the video robert became king at the perfect time. I think robert deserved to be on the worst list and if I'm being nice I'd call him mediocre.

@gfilmer7150

3 жыл бұрын

If he wasn't killed by his uncle, he would've tried to mass convert Westeros which would've turned Westeros in Germany post-30 Years War and he'd be remembered as the fanatic King that destroyed The Realm.

I like how Baelor is considered a good king yet he locked all his sisters away in a tower for a decade because he was afraid he wouldn’t be able to control himself around them. wow. Great king!!

@starlight0313

Жыл бұрын

He was a religious nut that wasted the crown's treasury

I swear ever time there is a good king there kids are either rebellious or something wrong is with them

@TheMrRomen

3 жыл бұрын

Jaehaerys had three sons and all three were great characters with two eldest really suitable for rule

@-THE_META

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMrRomen Then both died very quickly in very suspicious circumstances as did many of his kids.

@TheMrRomen

3 жыл бұрын

@@-THE_META Not really as they fathered their children. They both died in battle i think, but they were loved in the relm. After the Old kings dead his grandson toke the throne, because both his sons died before their father...

@-THE_META

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMrRomen One died at a negotiation by a stray arrow apparently meant for the other guy. The other died in a hunting accident. Coupled with most of Jahearys children dying left and right, makes me think someone wanted the Targaryen numbers culled.

@truth6441

3 жыл бұрын

@@-THE_META Yeah his name was Corlys Velaryon. Otto Hightower was brought to court to counter him later on and you get the Dance.

I thought you'd include Maekar. I thought he was considered a good king. And I was surprised to see Baelor on here.

@dhruvkapri4059

Жыл бұрын

Yes Maekar >> Baelor and Makear was also like a Targaryen version of Stannis

I still think Baelor Breakspear could’ve been the greatest king in Westeros if he lived.

@Smansi_da_randumb

3 жыл бұрын

I mean he did kinda rule as hand

@Lalvon_Zelpharr

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe

@theautomator8372

3 жыл бұрын

Baelor Breakspear was actually hated by some for only one reason. What was that reason? He looked Dornish.

@VinnyPTAstartes

3 жыл бұрын

@@theautomator8372 that's racist lol

@Smansi_da_randumb

3 жыл бұрын

@@theautomator8372 yeah he didn't have fair skin, purple eyes and silver hair...

Last time i was this early the targeryians still ruled

I feel bad for Jaehaerys and his sons, Aemon and Baelon. Those two would have been nothing but good for the realm. Arguably even better than Baelor Breakspear.

@svilendenchev9984

Жыл бұрын

Aemon was literally the perfect heir. Just, wise, brave, strong, a dragon rider, tempered. He was the greatest of the blood of the dragon. Baelon was slightly lesser than his brother, but less tempered and lustier. Common folk and lords alike would have loved either one of them. Damn the citadel and the Maesters

@jakealter5504

3 ай бұрын

@@svilendenchev9984the citidal and maesters had no involvement in Aemon’s death, he got taken out by a lucky (or unlucky) crossbow shot to the throat

Jaehaerys is my favorite

@NRV0

3 жыл бұрын

King Jaehaerys isn't my favorite but he is definitely the best King. He was kind but yet able to put a good amount of fear into his enemies and vassals like how he did with his stepfather Lord Rogar Baratheon. He made the realm prosper more than his grandfather ever could. He also had the most dragons during his rule(Which I'm really curious why he never took the chance the conqueror Dorne with that many). His only issue was he kept out living his children. He was by far the best to sit the Iron Throne.

@alexanderward5286

3 жыл бұрын

Which one?

@NRV0

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderward5286 I assume you're asking me?(If not disregard) my favorite, while not the best, is interesting to me is Daeron I "The Young Dragon". At 14 he restarted the Conquest of Dorne and by 18, although temporarily, had conquered it.

@erikringutangochtala6179

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderward5286 both

@CommanderOfRussia1

3 жыл бұрын

@@NRV0 Agreed, but I never understood why he didn’t wed Daena. Match makes sense and all his siblings idolized him. On another note, Daeron II deserves praise for somehow keeping the realm together during the Blackfyre rebellions, I’d rank him in my personal top 3. Jaehaerys II might have been great too, but his reign was too short to tell.

I'd still personally say that Robert should be at least "neutral". Sure he wasn't a great king (I wouldn't even say "good") but he was still the king while the country experienced nearly two decades of peace. And he has to be credited for the quick dismissal of the Greyjoy Rebellion. Sure, a lot of credit for that peaceful time should go to Jon Arryn, and Robert DID put the crown into a lot of debt, but I think those things only prevent him from being a good king. I still think the actual peace that came with his rule should be enough to prevent him from being "bad".

@-THE_META

3 жыл бұрын

But he also enabled or caused most of things that caused the War of Five Kings. Didn't try to love Cersei. Didn't have her monitored to see if she was having an affair. Never questioned if his blond children were his because of machismo. Never bothered or cared why this nobody from nowhere Littlefinger (who would have caused the war) was doing because he kept him whoring and drinking. Didn't have Varys killed because he was too lazy and dependent on him. (Who would have started a war anyway) Left dozens of bastards for the realm to deal with if Cersei hadn't (I don't approve of that obviously). Never looked into his heirs rearing (like good kings did) besides beating the shit out of him when it was far too late to do much about it. A War of Something was going to happen at some point because Robert was a bad King. Even without Littlefinger and Varys and Cersei and Joffrey being terrible (which he could have done something about had been half decent and perceptive) He would have had lead the realm to starvation during the long winter to come following a long summer by drinking and whoring the realm to debt. Robert was a terrible king and he would agree with me after having me decapitated for saying it.

@sophiawilson8696

3 жыл бұрын

That what people says Robert was terrible King, but he keep the peace.

@mimiblack1693

3 жыл бұрын

@@-THE_META why did you include Varys to the list?

@-THE_META

3 жыл бұрын

@@mimiblack1693 Have you read the books?

@mimiblack1693

3 жыл бұрын

@@-THE_META I have but I still think Varys doesn't deserve to be included with people like Little finger and Cersai he wasn't good but not necessarily terrible either

Daeron II and Aegon the III are my two most underrated kings. They both got a bad reputation through no fault of their own. Both had some real parental trauma. And still with all the adversity they solidified their rules and brought stability in their reign.

The hand of the king is also an important role in the management of the kingdom 🤴👑and it's economy ......some Hand of kings were literally kings and had all the power like Brenden Rivers 😑 I would love to hear about all the hand of the kings and there achievements.

@raffaelepiccini3405

3 жыл бұрын

*figuratively 😅

The thing about Boaratheon is that we only see him from the perspective of his best friend, thus he seems quite likable.

The best Targaryen ever in the dynasty is without a doubt Queen Alysanne.

@alexanderward5286

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah you could not have had Jaeheryes The Conciliator without Alysanne. She was his Rock.

@gabrielemblem605

Жыл бұрын

Best king, best queen, best couple. 50 years of reing in peace with a peacefull transition to the next king despite their 4 elder sons and daughters diying. They were the absolute best

@ashleighhaigh8795

Жыл бұрын

Without Alysanne, several important laws probably wouldn’t have been passed. Due to her women’s courts, the rite of the first night was abolished and widows couldn’t be thrown out of their former husband’s estate by their children. All in all, Alysanne was basically the Westerosi equivalent to a women’s rights activist

@ronjar2204

11 ай бұрын

^^^^

The best king is always the inbred monstruosity we end up with in CK2-AGOT

@alexanderward5286

3 жыл бұрын

Come to think of it, yeah you got a point. Like Aegon 1,Jaeheryes 1,and Daeron the Good were the products of Brother and Sister Relationships. But I’m not too sure about Aegon 5 and Jaeheryes 2 or Baelor being inbred like the previous kings. Yet anyway nearly all Targaryen Kings were inbred so nearly all of them were genetically defective.

Thanks for the video whycreate, they're always very interesting and enjoyable

About Jaehaerys I , I would have added that he was very well advised by people like queen Alysanne (probably the best queen in the history of Westeros and the one behind most of his reforms), septon Barth (the best hand of the king until now and his best friend), and good experts in handling money and accounts like Lady Florence Fossoway and Rego Draz.

@tenkenroo

Жыл бұрын

It takes a wise man who is able to recognize talent. The guy thought outside the box he realized things like good infrastructure and the needs to make citizens lives better would make the kingdom better. Honestly without septon baath he would not have been as successful

@MiguelLopez-yc2rh

Жыл бұрын

@@tenkenroo And queen Alysanne. She convinced his husband of improving the smallfolk access to clean drinking water of Kingslanding by serving him a tankard of dirty river water and challenged him to drink it.

@Medici_lotm

Ай бұрын

That's why he's the best king. He even went against those incompetent high borns and made Barth(even though his father was just a peasant) his hand because he knows he's the best option, and called Rego from Essos cuz he recognized his talents, and gave his queen a chair in the small council and listened to her suggestions. He wasn't close minded and arrogant, he was kind and also stern....He's the best.

I think king Baelor the blessed is highly overrated. He was basically the reverse of Maegor the cruel with his targaryen madness and perpetually bankrupted his realm and burned books with a lot of important stuff that would have helped future generations greatly. I actually wouldn't put him on the list at all.

@theautomator8372

3 жыл бұрын

Baelor sucked. Damn guy basically imprisoned his family members and fasted for the smallest of things. Baelor breakspear would've brought more honor to the name but sadly he died from his brother Maekar in an accident.

@thinkerbabam5540

3 жыл бұрын

He was a man of principle and conviction, I actually like him. I think the good outways the bad by a large margin.

@chazzle3459

3 жыл бұрын

@@thinkerbabam5540 I wouldn't put him on the level of Aegon VI or Joffrey Baratheon but he wasn't good enough a king to be on this list either imo. I'd remove him and ad Maekar as number 5 personally. Baelor was just too crazy. The realm was just lucky that his insanity took the form of piety rather than conquest.

@theautomator8372

3 жыл бұрын

@@chazzle3459 Joffrey Baratheon? I refuse to call him that. Call him by his real name Joffrey Waters.

@sophiawilson8696

3 жыл бұрын

He was religion nut for the Faith. He kick the all prostitutes out King Landings.

Top 3 best: 1. Jaehaerys I saved the Targaryen dynasty and ruled over a 50 years of peace and prosperity 2. Aegon I conquered the kingdoms and ruled over a relatively stable realm 3. Viserys I despite his short reign was a shrewd ruler Top 3 worst: 1. Aerys II was all around terrible king who caused the downfall of his dynasty 2. Aegon IV was all around terrible king who caused the Blackfyre rebellions 3. Viserys I was a inattentive and indecisive king during his reign which wouldn't be that bad, but he single handedly caused the most destructive civil war the Targaryen dynasty ever faced

55 years as king. You can't be king that long without being good or liked.

@vherox3826

Жыл бұрын

Emperor Honorius would dissagree

@billcipherproductions1789

Жыл бұрын

King Louis XIV entered the chat

@starlight0313

Жыл бұрын

​@@vherox3826 Honorius wouldn't be competent enough to answer

Great video....I didn’t know a lot of the back stories of the kings 👍

man I love your videos, whycreate

Do you think you could make a video about the smallest interactions with the largest implications in the Asoiaf universe? Such as Oberyn naming Balor breakwind leading to Elias death and war or Rhaegar crowning lyanna

Good video. Pls keep them coming!

a solid and well put together list

Keep up the great work👍🏻

Aegon the Fifth is easily one of the best kings Westeros has seen. He meant well and did so much right.

@tenkenroo

Жыл бұрын

I think his biggest flaw was being unrealistic in his aspirations as king. He had a lot of reforms to help common people but he burned bridges with those who had influence. Also his lack of being able to control his kids ( while they were happy) meant that was more salt in the wounds of the powerful. Good intentions don’t make a good king but those who have vision combined with a realistic take on what can get done

I do appreciate the fact that you put Aegon I as a good King. His proposals did pacify the Seven Kingdoms, and his use of violence was selective, and mostly addressed to armies.

@ryankwon8785

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. He stopped the seven kings from killing each other and helped Westeros prosper in peace. Even Margaery admitted it in the lore and histories video even though it is not part of the book lore.

Robert's actions didn't directly cause the crown's money problems. That was purposely done dy Littlefinger to weaken the realm. I wouldn't argue that Robert was a good king but he did liberate the realm of the Mad King and he at least tried to put capable people in power. His reign was more so tainted by negligence than ill will.

@carlrood4457

Жыл бұрын

Yes, people forget that during his time as Master of Coin, Tyrion realized that there's no way even Robert's spending could have put the realm in that much debt. There's also the fact that debt isn't necessarily bad. If the economy is growing and the crown was making payments without overextending itself, debt is not a problem

Your videos really great, but I think Baelor suffers from the same issues as Robert? Like Robert spent all the money on tourneys, Baelor regularly bankrupted the crown to try and pay some very small amount of the country rather than a wide spread tax reform or something to that effect which would actually help. Also, the same way Robert was only remembered as good because of his hand Jon Arryn, it is regularly stated that Viserys II was the true king under his nephews and was the reason they are remembered so fondly when they were off fighting wars or locking themselves away from the world. The only difference I really see is that one was pious, and the other a bit more selfish. I really like your videos, though, and this one was great. Just something I spotted because I was so engrossed 👍

@-THE_META

3 жыл бұрын

You are probably right but bringing in Dorne into the realm peacefully after a century and half of losses and dragon death with pretty much a straight fantasy story is at least commendable of low good King tier, I wouldn't give mid tier or higher tho.

@vincentadultman6226

Жыл бұрын

@@-THE_META Viserys 2 is the real G, would've brought about a second golden age if his turd of a son choked on a bagel

@frankincensemerchant1284

Жыл бұрын

@@-THE_META Dorne officially joined under Daeron the good, but peace was established with Dorne under baelor.

Make a video on all the Queens of the Iron Throne (some are really interesting like Alysanne and Daenna)

@thetalesofelbek7042

3 жыл бұрын

Rhaenys, Visenya , Alysa, Alysanne, Daena...

@ronaustin8381

2 жыл бұрын

@@thetalesofelbek7042 Betha

Really wish we see a show about these kings one day !

I agree with your ranking of the kings!

I completely zoned out throughout this whole video. I feel like the Dude in The Big Lebowski when he tunes out while that trooper keeps calling him a jerk off.

Brilliant video. I agree.

1. Jaehaerys I the old king (he just did so much for realm and his family. the only thing I could say is that he had too many children and weird relationships with them) 2. Dearon II the good (he united dorne into the realm and did the best he could to have peace. defeating the first blackfyre rebellion was a win too) 3. Aegon I the conqueror (some say he is overrated bc he had dragons fighting with armies in horses and foot, but he was the first to conquer and set a standard. he was the king westeros needed to unite it) 4. Viserys II (he COULD’VE been a great king. He was an amazing hand, I have no doubt. He took charge for his brother and both nephews and for that year he ruled he tried to be like jaehaerys. Sad to say his reign was short) 5. Aegon V the unlikely (he was a good man and tried to be a good king. he was well liked by the small folk, but hated by noble houses. i give him this spot simply bc he couldn’t control his own children who at the end were the demise to his family’s dynasty) 6. Maekar I (10+ years of peace until he died in a rebellion) 7. Jaehaerys II (he defeated the last blackfyre rebellion and chose to go to them instead of letting them get to westeros and have innocent lives lost) 8. Aegon III the broken (nobody remembers this king much, only the fact that he had regents for a long time and his mother got eaten by a dragon. we don’t know much on his reign, but no big war was ever mentioned. his brother Viserys helped him rule. The loss of dragons brings him down a bit, but nobody can blame him for what he went thru. Also showing Dearon his heir the ropes or at least what not to do would’ve helped too) 9. Viserys I (I do think he was a good king, but he was very influenced on his decisions by his council. The dynasty was a it’s highest when he got the throne, but didn’t do anything on that matter. But the worst thing he did was not proclaiming his daughter the heir a better way. He simply just said she was and expected everybody to follow. He shouldn’t have gotten married again and have kids if he knew the consequences. Completely ignored the writing on the wall) 10. Baelor I the blessed (he was a good king, but his madness was shown at the end. all his decisions were head scratchers and by the end he more than likely would’ve started a war with the north and iron islands trying to convert everyone into the faith of the seven. not getting married and having kids also brings him. Could’ve saved the realm from a lot of trouble from aegon IV) 11. Daeron I the young dragon (he was terrible, but I give him a C for effort. He tried to conquer dorne and unite the realm. He did win, but eventually lost dorne and thousands of men. His ambition was too high and cost him his life) 12. Aerys I (he was a weak king, influenced by blood raven a lot. he didn’t seek his wife and didn’t try to have heirs of his own. a very forgettable king) 13. Aenys I (he was a weak king. He had all the power from his dragons and didn’t use it at all. He could’ve done this and that, but not single thing was done. He was too afraid, too indecisive. All he had to do was something, but he couldn’t even do that) 14. Aegon II (he stole the throne from his sister. he started a civil war that was the end of the family dragons. he was a cruel king and was going to do whatever it took to end his sisters line and was eventually poisoned by his own men who saw the madness of the terrible king) 15. Maegor I the cruel (I will say this: I do believe the targaryens needed maegor. He showed the faith what they needed to know a long time ago. They don’t rule, kings do. Maegor did just enough for jaehaerys to come in and make amends with the faith and realize that the iron throne will protect them, but I do believe it was only bc there wasn’t enough of the faith militant around bc Maegor killed a lot of them. BUT he was a cruel king. There’s no changing that. He was blood thirsty and was cursed by the gods. His line ended with him and that was it.) 16. Aerys II the mad king (madness… straight madness and stupidity. He was too ambitious, but never got anything done. With time he because erratic and mad, which eventually ended his dynasty.) 17. Aegon IV the unworthy (a piece of shit king. he for sure killed his father to gain the throne. the legitimized all his bastard in his death bed and with that caused trouble to the realm for 5 generations. THE WORST TARGARYEN KING)

@ksodz1397

Жыл бұрын

Viserys I and his stupidity was the sole reason for the dance of dragons

Although Baelor did sue for peace early in his reign, Viserys II was the true ruler of the realm ever since he was appointed Hand by his brother, Aegon III. It said somewhere in the world book that while Aegon brooded, Daeron warred and Baelor prayed, Viserys ruled.

Nice list we’ll done

Nice video... Aegon The Conquerer 😍

whycreate is honestly the best. The GOT Star Wars theory equivalent 👌🏾

I have only watched the show and reading all the comments down here about the kings that have been or people who would have made a good king (whose names I have never head of) really confuses me. At the same time, however, it really excites and just boggles my mind what kind of incredible world-building George R R Martin managed to pull off in his books. Truly remarkable. He and Tolkien are gifted writers. Too sad that George will probably not finish the books though, if only he was a couple years younger and had his passion again 😪

@Florian-yn3ur

3 жыл бұрын

Why haven't u read the books yet?

@extraterrestrialhorse9722

3 жыл бұрын

@@Florian-yn3ur because I'm dumb lol

Bobby Baratheon should have been placed among the neutral kings, in my opinion. He wasn't dedicated to ruling, but he was good at inspiring people and was a great warrior. That being said, I was surprised to see a madman like Baelor among the best kings.

You must remember Aegon dreamed that his line would save all Westeros from the long night, so realistically he conquered for absolute good ( in his mind )z

Good list

Hey man great video just one thing, brynden rivers (bloodraven, 3 eyed raven) wasn't King Aegon Vs cousin, he was his great uncle( grandfather's half brother) I get it these family trees can get confusing, especially the targaryen one, but other than that keep up the good work 👍

Next there should be a list of The King’s Hands!

much appreciated

My current ranking from best to worst 1. Jaehaerys I 2. Aegon I 3. Daeron II 4. Viserys II 5. Jaehaerys II 6. Maekar I 7. Viserys I 8. Aegon III 9. Daeron I 10. Baelor I 11. Aegon V 12. Aerys I 13. Aegon II 14. Maegor I 15. Aenys I 16. Aerys II 17. Aegon IV

I kind of feel like Aegon the Conqueror could have easily been called Aegon the Uniter. Depends who you ask.

8:16 the picture in the bottom right is hilarious. It reminds me that kid from Bojack Horseman who looked like two kids in a trenchcoat.

Great video. Robert wasn't a great king, you're right. Which maybe prompts a video about every Hand of King

I love you!!

"this tour" comes from Belgian history, where the (very populous and rich at the time) cities of flanders, Brabant, Liege, namur and luxembourg expected whoever their new ruler was to make a tour and visit all of them, known as the joyous entry (blijde intrede or joyeuse entrée) the first one was in the 1200's, the last one was in 2013.

Do a video on the top worst queens, which one do you think is the worst?

Do a video on The Hands of the Kings'

You dropped this king

Soo early !!

@amongussus4

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

Just watched House of the Dragon when they were young and read a bit of the dance of dragons, I think Rhaenyra would have been a controversial but good queen if Alicent and her devil spawns didn’t happen. The only reason her short reign was bad was because she was paranoid because of the war, and the greens basically bankrupted kingslanding by the time she reclaimed it forcing her to raise taxes.

@tenkenroo

Жыл бұрын

I think having her three oldest sons die violent deaths broke her. Had Alicent not grasped for power she would have been a decent queen

@lapushka9388

Жыл бұрын

@@tenkenroo agreed

@godemperorofmankind3.091

Жыл бұрын

rhaenyra was awful before that. neither side was a good side in the Dance

Hendrix Can you do a video on rhaegar Targaryen and what kind of king he would be and where would you place him? I know its going to be hard since he never was king but I know you can handle the task! Appreciate your videos. The longer the better!

I’m a year late.. solid list.. I’d put jaehareys I then II but this is cool too lol

I'm so ready for House of the Dragon

Thanks

Aegon, after receiving the messenger’s hands: Aight, I'm gonna head out.

I liked Jaehaerys and Alysanne the most, but they were too blind to see that there were many conspirators behind their backs that made sure they had trouble naming an heir to the throne. Even the dragon eggs were poisoned.

@tenkenroo

Жыл бұрын

I think the biggest problem was jaeharys and his sexism. It would have done the realm a ton to add to stability had he backed his queens reform of maesters to allow women in their order and considered women valid in matters of inheritance. It makes little sense to only devout half of your population in brainpower available.

cool video and all but we all know joffrey was the best king of all time. lol for real i loved this video my favorite king is Robert but the best king is definetly aegon the 1st in my opinion still good video keep up the great work and stay safe :) .

You could do a video now about the "mediocre" or "in between" kings and why they are not in the best or worst lists.

See how charisma is so important for leaders? Robert was a bad king, but he had charisma, was fun to be around and was fierce. For a lot of the fans, all this overshadows how bad he was. You can even see it in the comments how people are still trying to "defend" him. That's the danger of charismatic leaders. GRRM knew what he was doing.

Robert Baratheon reminds me of Andrew Jackson (except that Jackson literally grew up from the slums and he was a loyal husband). On one hand he was known a great guy to know personally, loyal to his friends and countrymen but on the other hand he allowed corruption to set forth the Trail of Tears.

The hang up seems to be “bad, king. Not bad king” a difference, Robert was an awesome character n well meaning man, but still, a bad king..

What about Garth the green?

Uhhhh and what about King Bran??? He does have the best story after all

Might as well make a video on the meh kings. Sure there’s not much to say about them, but as well finish the collection.

If Viserys II didn't die so soon he probably would've been the second best Targaryen King after Jaehaerys.

Brynden Rivers (Bloodraven) is actually Aegon V great uncle. Aegons Grandfather was Daeron II, son of Aegon IV, and Aegon IV was also the father of Brynden. So Daeron’s sons were nephews to Brynden, and Daerons grandsons were great-nephews to Brynden.

Dorne still made Baelor walk thru snakes and vipers , they weren’t THAT touched by Baelor’s walk.

Maybe you could do hands of the king?

@champ1159

3 жыл бұрын

Good idea

Aegon V could have easily outdone jaherys, only if he had much loyal family who actually obeyed and listened to him, he lost control of his family , he was slipping, that's why all that dragon dreams took his life

@carlrood4457

Жыл бұрын

Probably not. His children's actions are already signs of weakness and lack of respect. Once the dragons were gone and the Targaryeans kept inbreeding, the house was severely weakened. They directly controlled little actual territory of their own and had no army directly loyal to them. Then Aegon V does things to alienate the very lords whose loyalty is required to keep the realm under one ruler. He was a good man, but not a particularly good king.

I feel Rhaegar Targaryen father of Aegon Targyen (Jon Snow) would have been a GREAT king. As Barristan Selmy said he would sing to the people of Kingslanding and help everyone with any troubles, if he didn’t die at the battle, he would have been one of the best probably.

@carlrood4457

Жыл бұрын

I don't know. He seemed to be politically naïve, at least in regards to his obsession with prophecy. First, he pissed off half the lords by crowning Lyanna. Then, he caused his families' downfall by running off with the betrothed daughter of a Lord Paramount and cutting off content while fully knowing his father was dangerously insane.

About Robert: In my opinion he was neither a bad nor a good king. He did arrange for feasts and tourneys yes but he (well Littlefinger really) did bring in 10x mpre money than under the mad king (or something like that I'm not sure how exactly it was worded). The realm was bankcrupt because LF was quite good at making sure all the revenue was put into his own coffers. Now you could say Robert didn't care for ruling and was therefore a bad King but I'd argue that he knows that he's bad at ruling and while it would be better to well learn to rule he at least did the next sensible thing and let those rule who knew how to with his hand and small council. That's why I see him as neither bad nor good ruler just average

I know it's conjectural in this context, but I feel like Rhaegar would have been one of the good kings. He's often spoken of in reverent and kind tones by people who actually knew him and he exhibited some of the more desirably mellow traits that made him an easy mover between the nobles and commoners.

House of the Dragon possibly sheds some new light on Egg's "obsession" with dragons. Did he learn about Aegon I's dream? It doesn't appear to have been automatically passed on by that point. It's possible it ended with Rhaenyra or Aegon III. Viserys II spent years presumed dead and wouldn't have been expected to rule, anyway so it would seem he'd be a likely point where the story stopped being handed down. It appears Rhaegar and Maester Aemon only learned of it through study.

@tenkenroo

Жыл бұрын

I think egg really wanted to help the common people and wanted the reforms he set up to help the common people to stick it would be dragons that could force the lords in line

2:46 Aegon targaryen: the king who traveled.

Any Aegon V fans?

@raffaelepiccini3405

3 жыл бұрын

He was the 2nd best after Jaehaeris imo

It's kind of interesting how the first three Targaryen kings mirror the first three Roman Emperors: Aegon / Augustus: The founder and gold standard for all to come; conqueror and statesman Aenys / Tiberius: Indecisive and kind of weak, not really fit for the job Maegor / Caligula: The monster that almost brought the monarchy down during it's short reign.

@durrangodsgrief6503

2 жыл бұрын

no maegor saved the monarchy in his case if not for him the tags would have lost their crown I two generations

What about ranking every king from worst to best?

I'm so early!!!!!!!!!

Great analysis! I agree completely with Jaehaerys and Daeron II, but would argue that Baelor was actually one of the worst kings the Seven Kingdoms has seen. He wasn’t respected or feared and spent very little time ruling and too much time praying. His release of the Dornish hostages could also be seen as weak and foolish, giving up potential leverage. It would be difficult to respect a man who walks barefoot across the desert while his hostages rode horses. He locked his family away, nearly bankrupted the realm with the construction of the Sept of Baelor and tax exemptions, appointed a child as high septon, and starved himself to death. His practice of burning books that he deemed were against the faith robbed the world of much knowledge that could have been very useful in the future. Without the aid of his hand, Viserys, the realm would likely have suffered even more greatly. I think Viserys if not the best king the Seven Kingdoms have seen, was at least the best hand, with the realm prospering under the war-mongering Daeron and the crazy Baelor. I would also argue that Aegon III was a good king, despite his melancholic attitude. We haven’t seen much about his later reign yet, but he, along with Viserys, somehow managed to heal a realm torn in two by civil war in a remarkably peaceful manner.

A list of the realms greatest conquerors or military minds could be cool... Any excuse to put Tywin on a list lol.

You cover more positive things than the mainstream media nowadays

To be honest if Daemon Blackfyre won, he would have been a great king. Since he sided a lot with the smaller houses the power would be balanced a bit better. The high lords would still have more power but it would be less of a power gap. Also he seems like a good upstanding man that only rebelled cause he felt he had to, and was convinced by his allies. Plus then would would still has the sword Blackfyre.