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@thesuperframe

Жыл бұрын

what a guyyy !!! Welcome !! Make sure to vote on the poll :D

@rexparker0623

Жыл бұрын

@@thesuperframe Thank you sir! I already voted

@marlonclark1896

Жыл бұрын

welcome to the illuminati

@thefan974

Жыл бұрын

@@thesuperframe what's your take on the CGI/action element of the film ?

@YSL8704

11 ай бұрын

Good for you kzread.info/dash/bejne/iKyrzbKvf8WonNY.html

The thing I love about hulk is that the hulk persona has always been there since the abuse all the gamma bomb did was give that persona a form

@tc-channelhobby4051

Жыл бұрын

Just like the immortal hulk comics

@superzario1000

Жыл бұрын

@@tc-channelhobby4051 it came from before that, Immortal Hulk was jsut referencing the older comics

@tc-channelhobby4051

Жыл бұрын

@@superzario1000 yeah, it's just awesome that Ang Lee got the hulk right and the only thing that held him back was the resources at the time.

@CorbCorbin

Жыл бұрын

Well, at least since they let a writer retcon/update the origin. I mean, why does it make other Hulks too, unless everyone has a Hulk? It means Bruce wasn’t special, except that he’s “the strongest hulk there is!” Thunderbolt always had a Red Hulk in him? How about Harpy Betty Ross? Rick? Does Doc Samson just not have any hulk in him? The Leader? It was always the gamma, that was a trigger, but eventually everyone becomes a hulk. We did just get Thor Hulk, with his daddy Mjolnir. Bruce is driving Hulk like a truck now. 😂 I actually like some of the newer stuff, but the whole God’s Hulk form, and Hulk being TOAA’s favorite or something, meh.

Bana is a phenomenal actor. He made Bruce feel like a real man with a real underlying trauma

Hulk is honestly one of the best Marvel heroes from a character perspective. When written by someone who cares for the character, Hulk is easily THE most nuanced and has the most interesting struggle. That's how I see it at least

@dimitrescu182

Жыл бұрын

I'm just disappointed at how they nerfed him in the MCU.

@Andalaeknir86

Жыл бұрын

I never saw hulk as an heroe, and it didn't come until later depiction. But this is the kind of hulk and the kind of conflict i feel is missing in modern marvel and Disney as a whole

@Anon1gh3

9 ай бұрын

@@Andalaeknir86 Superheroes are boring. Hulk is something primal and genuinely righteous.

@AA-iv2mx

2 ай бұрын

Well put

@CommanderShepard-wq3wo

3 күн бұрын

🤢

This was actually my gripe about the 2008 movie, which I still love mind you, they didn't delve into the psychological trauma that is at the core of Hulk's character. If only I could combine the 2 then we'd have a perfect hulk movie

@draykohunter6805

Жыл бұрын

That would be amazing, even with its slightly shallower depiction of Bruce struggle if we could have gotten that same quality for Bruce's character from that movie too most of Avengers AoU all the way up until now I believe we would have gotten there or at least close to that happy medium between the two maybe, not as artistic or quite as deep, but I believe we'd all be happier

@Vendaxel

6 ай бұрын

2003’s story and characters with 2008’s action and score

@TheMilhouseExperience

4 ай бұрын

I’m like a year late but if you do get this, I’d recommend watching the deleted/alternate scenes. They touch on it. It’s too bad Disney buried the more interesting scenes.

@cancercentral9997

Ай бұрын

​@@Vendaxel I really like 2003's score. The main theme is so good.

@maxthebabe

5 күн бұрын

2003 had trauma from childhood while 2008 had struggles with always being cautious about the hulk coming out, can never have a break, always having to worry about his heart rate, breathing, every emotion he gets, constant self awareness, he had to learn to control his body completely, imagine both combined... A perfect hulk we deserve honesty

Not crazy about the casting BUT the mood, the tone, the action, the MUSIC and SFX are still on point! And the color, oh the color.

@Andalaeknir86

Жыл бұрын

It is still a movie i remember today. I saw this when i was only a kid. I don't often remember a movie that well unless it's really good

@averagechadlegionary5824

10 ай бұрын

I think Bana himself was good casting. He portrayed the inner turmoil and rage within Bruce well.

@4Everlast

10 ай бұрын

@@averagechadlegionary5824 Yes, but his character wasn't given much personality. He played a endlessly depressed guy. No depth to him. He did all he could of done with the character indeed.

@bryandanng4964

2 ай бұрын

That’s kind of the point of Bruce banner. His character might not feel fleshed out but he is a traumatized person even if he might not acknowledge it, his mannerisms do. That’s why hulk is a contrast to him, he feels all and shows his emotional outlet.

@chrisblanc663

8 күн бұрын

I thought the actor did a great job. I wish Connolly didn’t follow suit with his performance. She should have shown emotion to contrast her lovers lack of emotion. Instead it looked like two ridiculously attractive egg heads talking about physics with the passion of a pear of owls. Please blink.

This is the BEST Hulk movie I've ever seen in my life, I was a little boy when I saw the movie in theaters and it completely caught my attention throughout. I know it's been ridiculed for how long it is and that it's "boring", let me tell y'all that I sat through King Kong (2005) and this film and I wasn't bored at all. This film is a underrated near masterpiece, the reason why I love it is for how dramatic and somber it is. Also the story of Bruce and David definitely hit home to me personally because I had a complicated relationship with my father. Also that scene in which Bruce is underwater (after the nuke killed his father) and he has the only nice memory of his father made me sad, when I rewatched the scene after my father passed away last year... I was sobbing endless tears. My hatred for him was gone and I still miss him, and it's why I hold this movie close to my heart because it spoke to me personally and it did the character's psychology extremely well.

@animated_muckles

7 ай бұрын

You really know how to say your words buddy. I appreciate you telling us your opinion about the movie and your small life story take care man

@tonymata8070

7 ай бұрын

@@animated_muckles Thanks, Jackson. Hope you’re having a good day.

This movie is a hidden gem

@ChristianFrates1997

8 ай бұрын

Emerald.

0:27 I love the Hulk score it's so memorable like Danny Elfmans score for Batman and Spider-Man

@irvinmorales9761

4 ай бұрын

I could be wrong, but didn't danny elfman also score this film?

@carmelorosario155

Ай бұрын

​@@irvinmorales9761For those still looking for an answer, yes.

@NaderMuhhidene

Ай бұрын

​@@irvinmorales9761 Yes He Did Do The Music For The Film.

Personally, the best adaptation of Hulk of all is not even live action film but rather the Avenger EMH, specially how it portrays Hulk and Banner duality, with both having distinct personality and having to work together to prove themselves as heroes to world, unlike films where Banner is main protagonist while the Hulk is just savage beast for the action scenes (the only films I felt Hulk had personality were Ragnarok and Infinity War)

@zemox2534

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I love the way Hulk and Bruce were written in EMH. That is the definitive version of the character for me

@alexandrefrauches132

Жыл бұрын

@@zemox2534 Agreed, specially how it actually did something different from Hulk stories and show Banner and Hulk interacting and working together, rather than Banner being protagonist and Hulk just weapon. Plus the show did better job than the comics by having the Hulk be member of the Avengers and develop bonds with members like Thor, Wasp and Hawkeye (in comics and other versions, Banner end up leaving the team and becomes more a occasional ally)

@CorbCorbin

Жыл бұрын

Yet, Hulk was that way in comics, for many, many years. It was a progression, both in the comics and the movies. *I agree EMH is the best adaptation of any medium, for nearly all of those characters. It’s the most comic book like.

@RM-qj8cs

Жыл бұрын

@@alexandrefrauches132 No no Hulk was crap in ragnarok and infinity war

@alexandrefrauches132

Жыл бұрын

@@CorbCorbin Kind of. Only in the late 90's and beginning of the 2000 we start to have stories were Banner and the Hulk interact and work together. Usually Banner and the Hulk are against each other, with Banner wanting to find cure and Hulk just wanting to be left alone. In EMH, not only they are able to interact but Hulk is truly trying to hero, unlike the comics were, most of times he did is it was when he had Banner mind (otherwise he saved the day bc his friends and Banner got involve in trouble).

As someone dealing with a narcissistic abusive dad this oddly spoke to me despite the title being hulk. Thanks for this

@ChristianFrates1997

8 ай бұрын

Murry Wilson?

The repressed rage aspect was first explored by either Jim Salicrup or Roger Stern (I'm not sure which) in the late 70s, at the same time David Michelin made Tony Stark an alcoholic, and Chris Claremont started transforming Magneto into a Gypsy Holocaust survivor. That was a period when the Marvel writers had taken a page from Denny O'Neil's Batman, and Jack Kirby's Superman to explore a more grounded emotional truth to characters.

Although 2008 hulk is not exactly a sequel to 2003 hulk, they cleverly had 2008 hulk start where 2003 hulk ends.

@Oldschool1943

3 ай бұрын

wrong hulk 03 game continues where the movie left off

@Oldschool1943

3 ай бұрын

"they cleverly had 2008 hulk start where 2003 hulk ends." it's not a sequel, 2008 is a reboot the ending of hulk 03: "A year later, Ross has Betty under constant surveillance, as many Hulk sightings get reported. In exile in the Amazon Rainforest, Bruce is alive as a medical camp doctor. His camp gets overrun by soldiers who try to steal their supplies. After Bruce unsuccessfully warns their commander not to make him angry, the Hulk roars in rage." the beginning of norton's hulk "Banner works at a bottling factory in Rocinha, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, while searching for a cure for his condition. On the internet, he anonymously collaborates with a colleague known only as "Mr. Blue." bana hulk was never in brazil but norton hulk was, so how 2008 hulk start where 2003 hulk ends. stfu with this bad takes so annoying

@princeoli9888

2 ай бұрын

@@Oldschool1943who hurt u?

@trevorkuntze6268

Ай бұрын

@@Oldschool1943bro is tilted

@ripzoh169

15 күн бұрын

​@Oldschool1943 he could have literally jumped from place to place. It's not like anyone in the amazon is going to report him. 08 Hulk is basically a soft reboot

This is the Hulk video ive wanted for years. The Hulk that people want to long for but avoid seeing when its in front of them because of some odd editing or a long runtime. Thank you for this video. i hope it reaches lots of people in the future.

When looking at The Immortal Hulk, I felt that Al Ewan was drawing from the movie

@bryandanng4964

2 ай бұрын

Especially with the green door

@jaredgarcia8638

2 күн бұрын

​@@bryandanng4964most definitely

This movie is like if Christopher Nolan directed a hulk movie and I’m all for it.

@ChristianFrates1997

8 ай бұрын

Ang Lee made art house movies.

@heitorsantoslima9289

2 ай бұрын

I like Nolan's films, but he would never be as visually inventive as Ang Lee.

All people bring up is the surface level criticism of the splitting screens and stuff, This is a nice change of pace! Like start of nuanced conversation about the Star Wars prequels.

This is the best interpretation of the hulk ever in live action. It shits on the 2008 and 2012 mainly because hulk is treated like an actual character and not just a spectacle for action. Hulk is treated like a Frankenstein monster, a misunderstood creature who just wants to be left alone and is also capable of doing heroic things, like when hulk saved that jet pilot from crashing into the bridge and saved Betty from the dogs. We also get a glimpse of hulk vs banner the monster vs the man, in the comics hulk hates because he thinks banner is trying to make him weak. Hulk is just as much important as banner is when it comes to character and I feel like live action interpretations of hulk after 2003 miss the mark.

@user-oz3um2ii7o

Жыл бұрын

2012 is the 2008 version. They are the same Hulk.

@spencermalley10

Жыл бұрын

I think Eric Bana was miscast as Bruce Banner shouldn't look like someone, you'd want to grab a beer with.

@maxfordgaming9278

Жыл бұрын

@@user-oz3um2ii7o I know it's just that a lot of hulk fans like to separate them.

@tc-channelhobby4051

Жыл бұрын

@@maxfordgaming9278 oh wait sorry, I was mistaken now that I read it clearly, yeah 2008, 2012 and more are connected

@2kpurp879

11 ай бұрын

No cap , this is the one. I personally have no complaints. Since I first seen it as a child I’ve seen nothin better 💯😂

Yup...i have always thought this hulk was a great film...i honestly never got all the hate it received. Even as a kid I liked hulk because he was a tragic character and somehow my 11 year old self understood that. Yes the final fight was a little anticlimactic because everything was so dark, but apart from that, great film. (also the lighting on the hulk model is the best imo)

@mickeymouse7726

Жыл бұрын

I connected with Hulk, Spider-Man, wolverine, Batman, Daredevil as a kid because I also have a really traumatic childhood and it was nice seeing characters that overcame their traumas to become stronger people

Love this movie ngl. And this video does a fantastic job explaining why! I’m glad this films getting more attention and I’m glad KZread recommended this to me!

I know making a Hulk trilogy video is a very incredible task to take, but like you said in the video, the Hulk represents what today's society is, where a person hides pieces of themselves from society. And I know that you love those types of characters as based off your dc movie videos. Plus, imagine Red Hulk being an allegory for the military becoming the threat they fight against. But either way this was an incredible video.

I loved this film so much because when I was a kid watching this, I really felt like reading a comic book while watching one simultaneously. I didn't care about Hulk's color or size because from what I've learned, many Hulk comics also portray Hulk in different colors and sizes. I loved the story, the pacing, and the whole feel it had. Plus, Eric Bana acted his ass off, and so did Elliot, Nolte, and Connelly. I personally loved the comic book transitions and how it presented the scenes. I never got lost in the movie, I knew what I was watching, I knew what the story was trying to tell me.

Back to regular content as per usual !!! Hopefully the uploads will be a bit more consistent now :D Speaking of uploads my Illuminati members on Patreon will be deciding the direction I take the channel with my next upload !! Also if you've watched the 2003 Hulk movie recently let me know how your rewatch went :D

@anubusx

Жыл бұрын

You wouldn't like him when he's Ang Lee.

@mickeymouse7726

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same way you do when I first watched hulk I was mixed on it I was 8 when the movie came out I love the action and visuals but I was bored by the dialogue and characters but now I love it the script tackles themes so many adult and mature themes the behind the scenes of this movie made me love it even more seeing Ang Lee's passion about the story he wanted to tell is inspiring

I appreciated that it took the emotional aspect seriously. The Hulk really feels like an out of control curse on Bruce Banner that destroys his old life completely. The MCU Hulk feels very tame in comparison, more like the Looney Tunes Tasmanian Devil. Visually though it's pretty goofy. The comic book transitions and split screens make the whole thing feel a bit artificial even though the tone is more grim and serious.

I watched this movie SO MUCH growing up so thank you!!!!

This movie is underrated has a lot more substance then the newer ones

Your perspectives help me realize so much and helps me and my journey of creating my art🙏🏽

I don't understand how some people can prefer "the incredible Hulk" over this. "Hulk" has issues, but I find it to be better than the 2008 movie in every aspect still; and it is extremely refreshing when compared with "marvel movies".

1:20 I agree that shot is so memorable I remember being blown away by trippy scenes like that it's miles better than some of the things we've seen from the MCU, dceu and Sony's Spider-Man spinoff franchise recently man

I would like to see a video dedicated to The Hulk as you did with X-Men or the DC stuff.

Ive grown to love this Hulk movie over time man

Great childhood memories this is why we are so disappointed with the current hulk situation

I remembered rewatching this film all the time as a kid, and it was the main part of what made Hulk one of my favorite Marvel characters. However, I haven't rewatched it since, believing the hate this movie gets and thinking maybe kid me had it wrong. After this video, though, I am compelled to rewatch it, as after how The Hulk is being treated in the MCU nowadays, I need to watch something that actually does The Hulk some justice. Update: Okay, I rewatched it. The editing is wack, and the pacing could be better, but overall a GREAT story that is better than some recent MCU. Also that action sequence in the desert SLAPS! Arguably the strongest Hulk in live-action.

Could not agree more. It's a cinematic version of a comic book for adults and I loved it back in the day even when everyone was trashing it. Ang Lee and Eric Bana truly got the essence of the Hulk even though Bana admitted that he wasn't a comic book fan. Norton admitted that he was a comic book nut and understood the character as well. I still prefer the 2003 movie though. I think Mark Ruffalo nailed the role as well upto the first half of the first Avenger movie and then it just all started unravelling towards the second half and from thereon and subsequent movies the Hulk literally started coming apart at the seams. And that pathetic lullaby just drives me up the wall. It was used in the comics once by Romanoff and had no effect on the Hulk whatsoever. In the MCU movies it calms The Hulk down out of nowhere and there is no explanation given as to why it works and how it was first used. Just a series of contrivances and plot devices. Don't even get me started on the clownification of Hulk in Ragnarok. Watching Rufallos interviews he just appears to be parroting words to show that he gets the Hulk and I'm starting to wonder if he actually fears getting typecast and secretly despises the character.

Thanks for this, I've been waiting for someone to make the case better than I ever could. I freaking love this film.

I wish we got a trilogy

@ericcalicci8775

Жыл бұрын

If this movie got a trilogy it would be in same league as the sam raimi spiderman trilogy and dark knight trilogy

This is the Hulk I grew up with. I'd rather have this Hulk then the dabbing Shrek we have now. They turned Hulk into an absolute joke.

As others have said in the comment section this movie really dives into Bruce's issues on a surface and internal level unlike in the MCU. In the MCU they touch on it but don't expand on it due to Bruce isn't the main character, favor jokes, and Hulk is only used as a weapon instead of his person. That's why I sometime in the future like in EMH a conversation between Hulk and Banner. Maybe Hulk is tired of being fused and wants to be the one in charge. We will probably see that eventually hopefully. Anyway this movie holds up as time goes on. The editing is a little weird and was really a comic book come to life. If Bana comes back I want to see him be the Maestro of the multiverse. I think that would be great change of pace for what we are use to seeing. I want to see Betty and Rick Jones in the films. Smart Hulk and Banner being the forefront are kind of getting annoying. Skarr should question Smart Hulk and say, "Who the hell you are? Where's my real father?" Overall great breakdown on why this Hulk should be appreciated more now.

This is what mcu hulk needs to be

I would love to hear you pitch a Hulk movie! Personally I’m ok without World War Hulk, and would rather have something that combines the Peter David run and the recent Immortal Hulk run into a horror driven film focusing on his personality disorder, and father issues.

@mickeymouse7726

Жыл бұрын

I want a movie based on indestructible hulk first than planet hulk and afterwards world war hulk

@ez6888

Жыл бұрын

World War Hulk only works if it’s built up to

I like to think that Ang Lee's Hulk is the definitive Hulk, and its a shame that Hulk doesn't get the respect he deserves in the MCU.

Thank you for this. Hulk has always been my favorite version of this character. Lee gave him a depth that is missing in every other story, and made him a fully realized persona with a rich narrative. I always recommend this movie to those who have not seen it, and will debate vehemently with anyone who has seen it and rated it less than it deserves.

I know hr's never had a film before but I'd love to see you tackle imagining a Martian Manhunter film

I love the "editing" shot composition. It gives you more information than were usually afforded , seeing multiple angles of the same thing, seeing multiple people reactions at the same time. I appreciate the artistry of it too but most of all i like all the info it packs on screen

id like to see you do a video essay on The Incredible Hulk 2008

I loved the editing, to me its innovative and unique, like being there with the actors looking around or tapping into memories without interruption and jump-cuts used in other movies. Its beautiful, really.

This is the 2nd Hulk film I've seen. I saw this film after seeing "Planet Hulk". The film was great, it had action, drama, comedy and adventure. My favorite part of the film was when Hulk was fighting his Dad and let him absorb his powers. The film taught me to control your negative emotions like anger and find a healthy way to deal with it. Studies have shown that mediation can help people manage anger and reduce aggression. The duality of Banner and Hulk really creates the struggle Bruce has with his anger. It really sets up the tone of Banner when becomes angry and becomes the Hulk.

As a Hulk super fan I'll take what I can get. I love Ang Lee's Hulk.

@ChristianFrates1997

8 ай бұрын

I made a lot of memes off of it!

@Oldschool1943

3 ай бұрын

omg talk like a human not a bot. nobody talks like this in real life "As a Hulk super fan"

that was a great movie!

I've always loved this movie and its do for a rewatch.

The 2008 film had my favorite Hulk/Bruce, but 2003 was also really good. Normally videos like these are "masculinity bad, insert pseudo intellectual nuance here," but you did a great job covering the topic of masculinity in a fair way that ties into the movie. Great stuff.

People are afraid to admit this is the most accurate version of Hulk

Childhood days

this was a creepy dark movie but the first hulk-out was the best ever made, a true brute just destroying everything in sight

Nice work man truly, enjoyed it and looking forward to the next one.

0:03 I want a planet hulk movie first

I have always loved this movie and it is 100% the best live action Hulk. The score is absolutely haunting and it’s a character study about childhood trauma wearing a hulk skin.

I was surprised coming back to this movie no longer a kid at how much it taught me about myself.

This movie was my childhood. The more complex and serious themes really rubbed off on me then but i rewatched it recently and it really clicked so much more as an adult.

This is 100% one of the most underrated comic book movies of all time. Way ahead of its time. Does it take itself a little too seriously, and I don’t mean the material and the character, I mean itself at times? Yes. Is there some total conflicts with some rather odd goofy choices? Yes. But no, the ILM affects were not bad when this came out in 2003, they had the balls to put the Hulk in broad fucking daylight with the most obnoxious shade of green and purple ripped shorts, accurate to the comics, and it looked convincing. The action scenes here are more iconic to the source material than anything that came since. And there’s like a sense of believability and wait to it like when he throws the tank 2 miles after swinging it around. Or the way he jumps on the F 22 raptor, it just feels way more believable , acting all around is fantastic, besides a messy third act, and the fact they should’ve made Talbot the villain who mutate himself with gamma as well at the end so he faces Talbot and his father, with a more clean, looking final battle, this could’ve been an absolutely stunning, great comic book movie . I liked that the Hulk was essentially a repressed Child memory as a metaphor for PTSD, mental illness and anger issues. The Hulk looks like Eric Bana in the very next movie the character five years later, not made by ILM looks like cheap video game graphics and looks and acts nothing like Edward Norton. Not to mention the dollar store version of all the superior versions of the same supporting cast characters from this movie. If you fell asleep during this movie, you don’t like interesting contents. This was much more thought-provoking and stays with you. Massively underrated. I wouldn’t call it a film. I would call it a very good film that with a few alterations could’ve easily been an instant classic. The score is awesome. This takes a steaming dump on the Incredible Hulk, 2008+ a superior comic booky Hulk character in the avengers. Hulk 2003 and Hulk in avengers 2012 are the best iterations of the character on screen.

Probably takes away my objectivity a bit but some of the things you critique I genuinely enjoy about the film, particularly the comic book style panel editing. I really liked what he was going for there and thought it was consistent and well done throughout. My only real gripe is the writing lets me down sometimes. I think about the Betty Bruce Ross nightmare scene “doctor it’s these dreams I’ve been having…. Tell me about your dreams”. Or the better Bruce breakfast scene where Bruce talks about his booming heartbeat. But at other parts the movie - particularly the most important parts - the dialogue and writing is spot on.

@joeytocd

11 ай бұрын

Interesting. I interpreted the scene where Betty tells him about her dreams as Bruce's earnest attempt to engage and be vulnerable with her, unlike his own dreams that keep him up at night. It gave us a glimpse into their genuine but fractured connection to one another. Could just be me.

@patrick4662

11 ай бұрын

@@joeytocd oh I totally interpreted the scene the same way. I also just loved the look of the scene, very intimate moment, and I think that cabin/woods setting is the same location where the dog fight is later. But it was just that one exchange I referenced, the delivery of the lines didn't really match the sincerity of the tone. I genuinely couldn't tell if Betty was just being playful or serious, and then Bruce is like 'tell me about your dreams' in sort of a deadpan way. So maybe its the delivery more than the writing.

You say David has rejected any need for self reflection then immediately play a clip of him sorrowfully saying he took everything that was dear to him and transformed it into nothing more than a memoy

Absorbing Man could be such a great villain for the MCU. *The actual one, with a little polishing, and cleverness, that Creel, just hardly ever had in comics.

Tobey Maguire almost reunited with Ang Lee and cameo as Spider-Man.

@CONTRACTOR_SG3

Ай бұрын

Good lord imagine if we were in that time line where Fox spiderman, Xmen and Ang lees Hulk all came TOGETHER 😮

I saw this movie back in 2003 when I was 13 years of age and I really liked it, it's true The Hulk is a raging monster that destroys anything in his path, but he is also a tortured soul, The Hulk like the Frankenstein monster just wishes that everyone would leave him alone, since he is seen a monster there is no way that is gonna happen and everyone falls in a vicious cycle. I'm not gonna deny this movie's flaws, the acting is bland, the editon was a creative choise that could have been handled better (I mean look at Sin City, that's how you make a movie look like a comic book), the pasing is a little off as well, it would have been better is if they cut the whole begging with David Banner and started the movie with just Bruce having a nightmare due to flashes of his represed memories, and we leave the whole father reveal as a mistery throught the movie and not shown in the 1st fourth of salid movie and constantly coming back to it so we could see somenthing we already saw. I think Ang Lee had a great script that no one else understood, nor the producers nor the actors nor the executives at Universal, but they wanted a "superhero movie" to compete against movies like Blade The X-Men Spider-Man form Waner Bros 20th Century Fox and Sony repectively, and just so happens that Universal had the rights to The Hulk, so they let Ang Lee make his Hulk movie without knowing what they had and just to make it to the growing market of "superhero movies".

Ironically, since I'm a major comic book fan and especially Hulk fan, the "comic book" editing/transitions were a major reason for me not being able to get into the movie. The lead and often Nolte's acting also failed to draw me in, though for opposite reasons; Bruce most of the time seemed wooden to me and Nolte seemed over the top. By the time acting scenes happned that were interesting to me, I had been so uninterested in the characters for so long that it was just too late. But I did like that Hulk was actually green and had purple pants and wasnt muted and his raw power was obvious. I also like that he had daylight scenes and wasnt hidden in shadows and drabness. And, as comic accurate as I'm guessing as it was by then, since Bruce's abusibe dad arc didnt even exist yet when i was still collecting the Hulk, I had that bias against the movie as well. Still, even though this isn't anything I'd watch again, I do like to think that this was the Hulk of the Toby McGuire universe and that the lead may actually appear again in that context, even if just in cameo; after all, for many, he is THEIR Hulk every bit as much that Bixby/Ferigno are mine.

This is an absolutely amazing video. Please keep up the great work never give up.

This was really a great movie, more for being daring. It's a superhero movie that walks the line into arthouse as you say. With Marvel movies feeling very much like a line of sausages, Ang Lee needs to come back.

@petermj1098

8 ай бұрын

The movie is underrated but I think David Banner ruined the film. Nick Nolte was too over the top and he didn’t have any real motivation to wanting power. If they did Brian Banner like in the comics of being an abusive husband/father scientist who believes in a “monster gene” the movie would have been better.

At least the VFX Artists of Hulk weren't mistreated!

@thefan974

Жыл бұрын

Course they weren't. ILM are the pioneers of CGI and digital fx. Nobody does it like them

That mirror scene is legendary!

0:29 The soundtrack (by Danny Elfman) is even beautiful.

Honestly, I'd love for someone to come along and bring Hulk back to his roots like Yamazaki did with Godzilla Minus One and make a period piece in the 60s that takes it's time exploring the characters like this movie did.

It's clearly the best Hulk movie. Indeed the whole Marvel gamut. It has so much emotion - off the scale .People who moan about the special effects are people who have no self awareness at all in their life. It's about life and death

17:10 As a fan The Hulk/Bruce persona break down was absolutely beautiful

I remember seeing this film in 2003 and after watching it I said that I had never seen a worse film, today after many years I watched this film again and I changed my mind 180 degrees, this is the best adaptation of Hulk I have ever seen, just as I remember it from animated films, excluding the drama, it's a pity they didn't go in this direction because we could have seen The Leader and his whole gang of mutants, it's a pity, it's a great movie

I always love The Movie and always will Hulk is One of my Favorite Charachter.

My only problem with the movie was the slow pace of the first half of the movie. I also like the Ed Norton Hulk movie way better.

Thank you for giving me a new viewpoint to look at this film.

Great video!

Fascinating theory,well articulated cheers m8

7:35 it's not about unwillingness or not wanting to unleash a part of himself. He's unconscious unaware that he's even hurt/damaged unaware of his survival tactics. You keep pointing to conscious effort and choice which is completely the opposite of the movie and his journey. It's about his subconscious, about his emotional memory BEYOND the edge of his mind. The type of formative lost memories we can only access when we dream and our subconscious are in the driver seat

We've gotten to the point that things have gotten so bad that we look fondly back in things that we all hated back in the day. I think this movie did the character hulk the best, but as far as everything else not so much

This was in fact the best hulk… and Eric banna was robbed

While I do think this movie is fairly dated by today's standards, I still got a soft spot for it. Exploring Bruce's past and psyche imo was a great decision from Ang Lee. Also let's be real, as whacky as the editing is or as cartoonish as the CGI looks. We are talking about a FIRST TIME adaptation. Sam Raimi's first Spider-Man film showed that they could be great. Still superhero Cinema had a long way to go before they really became popular. I know it's a far cry in comparison and quality but honestly I think without ang Lee we wouldn't have the MCU.

@thefan974

Жыл бұрын

The CGI as far as I'm concerned is about as realistic as I've seen in a superhero film. For the hulk at least

And there's She Hulk who's catcalled on the street and deals with anger "infinitely more than" Bruce.

Thank you!!!

I found your video insightful and excellent.

that version of the hulk will forever put to shame the modern MCU version where he's just a green dude.

I love this movie and never understood how much dislike it receives. And I also really enjoyed the transitions, they play with perspective and give it a nice comic feel to it.

Have you thought about making a video about Man of Steel 2. Since your video on how to make a good Superman film, I’m very interested in seeing a video about the possibilities of a sequel to Man of Steel that brings back the hope and optimism of the man of tomorrow. 🙂

Ang Lee had the Story, but not the Budget. So i Hope this movie get more Respect!

Idk if its mentioned in the movie but Bruce has named his Hulk side max which can be interpreted as him having DID (Dissociative identity disorder) but I'm not a psychologist so take this with a grain of salt.

Hulk is my favorite superhero (he’s 3rd to Batman and Spider-Man but they’re everyone’s favs lol) Even as a kid I didn’t like this movie but this video has convinced me to rewatch it with my more mature adult eyes. Great video

18:10 after coming off of binging Valtuem's videos parts like this don't entirely work for me, at least in regards to some of that filim, otherwise I agree with you throughout the rest of the video and would love to see a discussion between the two of you on your views of Hulk. And my highlighting of those moments isn't an endorsement of the Hulk overall throughout the MCU especially recently absolutely detest what he's become and how wasted he is, so much so that the little gag at the beginning of the video surprised me because I have no faith that they're going to do Planet Hulk or any version of that story right, neither should anyone else imo, cuz they've wasted so many elements of Hulk's best arcs in the most lackluster of ways

5:51 he got it as a toddler along with psychological experiments lab tests and the repressed memory and trauma of watching his mother die after his world his parents have an emotionally charged interaction

This is my favorite movie about a Marvel character

My problem with it was always the effects. I have a friend who likes it and says, how is it different from the old Universal monster movies? He's the Wolfman but he's just a green monster instead of a werewolf. My answer, the monsters in the best Universal movies happen to be tangible. The Wolfman isn't constantly changing in shape and size. Neither is Frankenstein's monster. They also both have faces.

I’ve gotta agree with you that hulk 2003 is the best version of hulk

I love this movie. Even before the mcu screwed up their version. Lee’s hit the character right on the nail and perfectly balanced the cheesy comic book aspects with real thematic elements.

After rewatching the film and having read many Hulk comics, Ang Lee Hulk is not that terrible adaptation, having ideas and elements taking from comics, like Banner drama with his father. However, I feel the movies fails to be good because of 3 major factors: 1) Establishing that Hulk was always on Banner because of his father experiments was mistake, making seem like Banner was destinated to become Hulk, unlike the comics where Banner's father actions created the Hulk in Banner's mind, the accident with Gamma Rays just manifest the monster created by all his anger 2) The pace of film is too slow and takes too long to get to the action scenes. The Hulk only appears 4 scenes and only one of them is actually well shoot and feels epic . The rest feels short or poorly done, being made at night making hard whats going on. It' makes the film very boring for people who were expecting a action-packed super hero film (not help by the fact Ang Lee tries to replicate the dynamic comic book style of transitions but doesn't fit with tone of the scenes) . That wouldn't be the case if the scenes of character talking was interesting but sadly this brings to another problem... 3) The acting in this film is weak. The actors are great (specially Eric Bana and Sam Elliot) but their characters are so stern. There's so few emotion when they deliver their lines. It's the same problem with the characters in DC Snyder films or Star Wars prequels. If we can't feel the characters emotions and personality we can't connect with them and their drama and consequently, we can't feel interest in the story.

@4Everlast

Жыл бұрын

1) I agree with that. 2) We just got spoiled with MCU-DC non-stop action, you can't please all people as some want action others an actual film with ups and downs. They did a lot in the dark(and compared to Transformers or Venom you can see more then well what's going on), to reign in the budget, the editing and comic book-like panels are a problem, yes, true. 3) True, solid casting, but they're all a bit wooden. Yes we do see the same thing from Superman, being so stoic and boring yet die hard Snyder fans will come to his defense.

@alexandrefrauches132

Жыл бұрын

@@4Everlast 2) It's not just lack of action, it's the lack of balance between the action and drama, considering how other films at time like the Raimi Spider Man trilogy knew when to have good action and when focus on character drama, making the film interest for mutiple types of audience. Ironic I felt Norton Hulk suffered from opposite problem, having too much chase and action and less character drama, although the climax between Banner and Abomination is th fight I wish Bana's Hulk had, with Bruce not only fighting the villain but also helping people, giving his battle stakes and helping Banner come to terms with the Hulk, seeing how the anger he always feared is not only part of him but something he can use those he care for.

@4Everlast

Жыл бұрын

@@alexandrefrauches132 Yup, messy tone. True, true. I agree, liked Norton, but no one looked and felt like The Hulk(visually) like Ruffalo, the 1st act of Norton's Hulk was SOLID, but you'd get a great Hulk film if you combined the best of that Hulk with this, Ang-Lee's Hulk, now that would be perfection.