The BEST driver NEVER to win an F1 world championship!? | David Coulthard & Eddie Jordan discuss
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What was it like working with Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear? Which South American does DC think could’ve been F1 world champion? What are EJ’s favourite places to visit on holiday?
FFS! goes global this week as DC and EJ answer questions from some of our international listeners and discuss what lessons they've learned on their travels around the world.
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Thank you fof the Gilles Villeneuve shout out. My childhood F1 hero. Broke my heart when he died.
@victormendivil359
10 күн бұрын
Me 2 !
@ballaking1000
4 күн бұрын
As a Canadian, I'm always happy to see this shout out- not NEARLY spoken enough aboot.
@williamp6800
2 күн бұрын
I cried when I heard, and I never cry.
I often wonder what Stefan Bellof would’ve achieved.
Without ranking : Stirling Moss, Jacky Ickx, Dan Gurney, Carlos Reutemann and Francois Cevert.
Sir Stirling Moss (rip) for me. The man could drive & win in damn near anything, F1, Sportscars, Rally,Touring Cars, etc. AFAIK, he's also the only driver to ever talk his way OUT of winning the championship, when he stood up for Mike Hawthorn at the 1958 Portugese GP. His doing so led to Hawthorn's 2nd place (& 6 points) staying, only for Stirling to lose the championship by 1 point. I had the chance to ask him about this years later, and he said he had no regrets, as it was the right thing to do at the time...
@twillis449
Күн бұрын
Those 1950s drivers were real sportsmen and gentlemen. I can't see Max ever saying that Lewis should have won the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix
Sterling Moss.
Has to be Sir Sterling Moss. Most race wins of anyone not to win a WC.
JPM, Eddie Irvine, HHF, even DC, Mark Webber, Robert Kubica are who come to my mind
@kb5509
10 күн бұрын
Eddie Irvine was never winning a championship.
@Bm-ct6lk
10 күн бұрын
Who is HHF?
@talvezfelpa
10 күн бұрын
Heinz Harald Frentzen @@Bm-ct6lk
@captainobvs5898
10 күн бұрын
@@kb5509 i mean in 99 it went down to the last race between him and Mika
@captainobvs5898
10 күн бұрын
@@Bm-ct6lk Heinz-Herald Frentzen
Personally the ones that come most to mind are of course Stirling Moss, then Peterson, Villeneuve and Reutemann. They would all have deserved at least a championship.
Ronnie Peterson
@sonicstep
3 күн бұрын
Ronnie was destined to be multiple world champion. 😢
Just so brilliant now FFS has gone to KZread , can't miss it when solely a podcast not as enjoyable just listening. Chemistry or should that be love between DC and Eddie is clear to see !!!
@Ewhurstlane
11 күн бұрын
I can’t believe how when DC & EJ were part of the F1 commentary team for BBC & then C4, how there seemed to be no end of friction between them, & dislike for each other, & now they are the best of pals & creating such entertaining podcasts & KZread videos, with such amazing chemistry between them 🤣!
@degeautdfanfirst
10 күн бұрын
Podcast excellent and all KZread much better when can see their reactions
Robert Kubica definitely comes to mind
@buildmotosykletist1987
9 күн бұрын
Yes. One of the GREATS.
Gilles Villeneuve, no brainer. Also JP Montoya, Ronnie Peterson, Stefan Bellof, Stirling Moss, Tazio Nuvolari, François Cevert, Michele Alboreto.
Stirling then Ronnie Peterson by a country mile. No one else comes anywhere near FFS
@handsolo1209
10 күн бұрын
Von Trips probably does. Gilles Villeneuve too. Montoya, Irivne, etc? No chance.
@djh29971
8 күн бұрын
Ronnie couldn't develop a car, which frustrated every team boss he had. Everybody loved Ronnie and he was very quick, but lacked the killer instinct and made some odd choices in his career.
Stirling Moss without doubt look as his race record.
Ronnie Peterson was the best driver to never win a championship. He finished runner up twice. Once in a March using the same engine all season! The other, as a number 2. In hindsight, he would have won the title if he didn't die that year. He was without any doubt, the out and out quickest driver, ever to sit in an F1 car. On his day, he was quicker than anyone. That includes the likes of Senna. Just ask anyone who was there. Even the other drivers were left stunned by his car control. Niki Lauda couldn't get within half a second per lap of him when they were teammates. Fittipaldi too, couldn't match him. Villeneuve was just a pale imitation of him. After causing the death of several spectators, showing off in front of Peterson, the most liked and respected driver amongst his peers, probably of all time never spoke to Villeneuve again.
Yip greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦 Eddie
It's a curse and a blessing to know F1 from the late 80s to 94 to 21 Nothing else compares
@00wheelie00
10 күн бұрын
I watched my first live race in Zandvoort in 1985, and saw Lauda win. I had watched F1 race reports since I was 4 y/o in 1979. Cars have fascinated me since I was kid.
@_Diamond-Dog
10 күн бұрын
@@00wheelie00 nice , those were the days , the cars , the drivers were another league imo
@degeautdfanfirst
10 күн бұрын
Love now as much as I did 29 years ago
Rene Arnoux, Juan Pablo Montoya
@ljw5768
10 күн бұрын
Nah.
@1greenMitsi
10 күн бұрын
arnoux?? Pironi and Villeneuve were superior
Gilles Villeneuve for me.
Juan Pablo Montoya
@antropatico
9 күн бұрын
@@roadrage9191 you’re entitled to your wrong opinion
@roadrage9191
9 күн бұрын
@@antropatico I take it back, looking on his record he looked decent, I think I might be thinking of another driver and got the names mixed up.
@eduardhenny1
6 күн бұрын
Yes!
Hello from South Africa! I hope F1 can return to Kyalami!
Obviously it's Sir Sterling Moss. Honourable mentions: JPM HHF Berger
@someoneunseen5168
10 күн бұрын
Berger? Nope. Did he ever finish 2nd to senna at mclaren? He had a championship winning car 1990-91. Not WC level.
@lotus72e
10 күн бұрын
Ronnie Peterson. In 1973 he was head and shoulders faster than Emerson. Even with inferior equipment during 1974-1976 he won races. If he would have been more lucky during 1973 he would have walked it. Even in 1978 he was trailing Mario by 12 points when he died. They actually made an agreement between them that they would race each other from US GP at Watkins Glen and on. Such a sad story that ended at that sloppy Niguardia hospital in Milano.
@theiceman7590
10 күн бұрын
@@someoneunseen5168the McLaren wasnt the best in 1991 though
@MarkSiosal
10 күн бұрын
It wasn't? Senna won 8/16 races and Berger won 2.
@theiceman7590
10 күн бұрын
@@MarkSiosal Senna won 7 and Berger 1
Those citing Gilles Villeneuve should look at some results. He was runner up in one season. Stirling Moss was runner up four times in a row and then 3rd place three times.
Robert kubica could've been WC without his accident in rally. He still remains up to this day one of the most eclectic/complete driver ever.
@GTI8855
9 күн бұрын
He could in theory, but Alonso didn't manage to do that in Ferrari during his 5 years.
I hope they will Interview Eddie Irvine one day
@degeautdfanfirst
10 күн бұрын
Eddie probably day no unfortunately
Alboreto, as Enzo Ferrari himself said, "we owe that kid a championship!"
EJ looks absolutely fantastic for his age. Very very sharp as always. Great podcast guys absolutely love what you're doing!
I listen with my 14-year-old son, he feels that they speak very well, having been in F1, I spoke to him about Jordan as a boy as an example of how a small squad could against great teams and David as one who lacked that luck to be champion
Could you guys invite Claire Williams to your podcast? I'm sure she has great stories to tell
Tommy Reid, Irish racing cars, Brabham formula Atlantic, Ingliston 1974. Cheers Eddie. Great days.
DC thanks for having F1 on free to Air To TV for the time we did.🇮🇪💚🏁
Sterling Moss
authentic conversation makes the show compelling - great
Thanks, brings back so many memories. Ive been watching since the mid 60's. You both bring so much to the sport. Thanks
Stirling Moss and Ronnie Peterson stands out. I mean they were absolute top notch, top drawer. All the others discussed here were great of course, but not really self evident World Champions in the same way.
I love listening to your old Motorsport stories and on today Motorsport podcasts I see EJ when I worked at Raynards and made DC Vauxhall lotus for Stewart racing and I was a marshal at Silverstone as well I used to love watching the cars. I'd worked on running around the track with great drivers in them and your stories bring it all back.and thank you for that I think a great drive like Rubens Barrichello
Carlos Reutemann and Ronnie Peterson. Probably Jacky Ickx as well.
First of all: Riccardo Patrese! Michele Alboreto, Jacky Ickx, Robert Kubica, JPM.
Bruce McLaren would have won a World Championship 🏆
Recommendation. Place times when each question is being asked/answered. That way - if short of time - we can scan for the questions that interest us the most. Great show. ☮
Massa Webber There’s loads of drivers where if one thing went a certain way at a certain moment..
@tomcharlton586
10 күн бұрын
massa didnt deserve the 2008 title, and webber was clearly the second best red bull driver every year that vettel was in the other car. both good but not great
@SpaceHCowboy
10 күн бұрын
@@tomcharlton586 you don't half do the rounds talking shite..... Slo down shite merchant.
@Outback_Truckie
4 күн бұрын
@@tomcharlton586 in 2010 Webber crashed out in a very wet South Korea race while warming his tyres behind the safety car on lap 18. He touched the curb while swerving and that was the end of that. He was 2nd at the time behind Vettel and as it turns out Vettel blew on engine on lap 45 in the race. Had Webber just kept the car on the track behind the safety car he would surely won that race and those 25 points would have had him winning the world championship by 11 points with Vettel 2nd (as per the results at the season finale in Abu Dhabi). When I was watching Korea I said to a mate that Webber just lost the world championship right there. I am sure he was gutted by a silly mistake that should not have happened and cost hime the championship.
I was a guest of Tom Barnard at BRDC Silverstone for 3 yrs in the late 90"s. I even got to walk around Jordan F1 factory. Those were the days my friend. Now I'm a paying punter and the contrast is beyond description. Still, I'm going to Budapest for the race this year. Great value track
"George's Grandson is Florence." Thanks Eddie. Love you guys!
@32: something... Magic camping & caravan memories here from SA. And living in durban and being told to go o sleep in broad daylight in the Cape on our annual caravanserai
Shout out from fans in New Zealand!! You both appear upside down on our screens in this South Pacific paradise, DC the coins don’t fall out of your 🏴 pockets like they do from EJ’s .. 🤷♂️
Dan Gurney or Marc Surer. Gurney didn't compete for long enough and Marc Surer never was put in a good enough car but they certainly could have won a few titles. Surer by the way is a brilliant commentator, never one to stray too far from modesty and level-mindedness
Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺, love your work and the gee-ups!!! My answer: Elio de Angelis. Go Oscar Piastri 🏆
Sir Sterling Moss / Villeneuve
Ruben’s Barrichello, I would have loved to see home win a world championship such a nice bloke, and a good driver. Would also be nice to get him on FFS, Well done with the ratings. It would be nice to see some memorabilia in the background, I imagine between the two of you , youhave a couple of trophies. Keep up the good work 👍
Martin Brundle would be a good example. Jordan F1 pulled well above its budget in F1. There was a picture of Michel Lopez DeCarlos and his EJ-run Formula Ford in today's Heroes of FF1600 and the boss man himself, make sure you feature the haircut in the next episode.
Gilles Villeneuve would be my answer.
Quality stuff gentlemen.
Talking about Stirling Moss, years ago I was at Goodwood FoS admiring a row of beautiful 250GTO's and realised Moss was standing next to me. We chatted like two chums at a bar and he was absolutely charming. He went on to drive one of the Ferrari's.
That’s great.. “A German joke is no laughing matter”. 👍🏻🍻 Greetings from Hamburg.
My thoughts on crop rotation are: John.
Just keep up the good work lads and the great interviews, Alan Brazil was brilliant, he's some boy 🍻🍻👍🏻🏴
My new favorite podcast😀
Eamonn is the Irish for Edward
Eddie, Tommy Doherty said hello 👍
Villeneuve, Montoya and Barichello.
@1greenMitsi
10 күн бұрын
barrichello??? 2 off his team mates are world champions....he was clearly not good enough
That's an easy question to answer. Jacky Ickx.
Different eras, but Chris Amon & Gilles V.
Shout out from south Brazil.
Funny conversation 😅
38 seconds ago is crazy
That's something I'd completely forgotten about, having to go to bed while it's still light, glad it didn't only happen to me !!
If it is true that good old Irvine Jr is mellowing, it would be priceless to have him in the podcast...
Having JPM and Eddie Irvine on the pod would be magic!
There's so many that should have been world champions kubica should of DC Webber etc great podcast DC EJ love the banter love the different subjects you talk about 👍
Stirling Moss, Jo Siffert, Peter Revson, Francois Cevert, Tom Pryce, Ronnie Peterson, Patrick Depailler, Gilles Villeneuve, Elio De Angelis and the list goes on. Unfortunately most of the drivers from these eras were held back by pure mechanical failures from unreliability.
🇨🇦 loves ❤ listening 👂
David Coulthard, closely followed by Stirling Moss, then Michele Mouton
@1greenMitsi
10 күн бұрын
😂🤣😂
DC would've won drivers title in 98 if himself and Hakkinen didn't have that agreement in the first race about who gets to first corner first when they were 1st & 2nd on the grid...if you know you know.
@someoneunseen5168
10 күн бұрын
Dc would have won 1 more race. Mika would have still beaten but michael would have got even closer to Mika that year
So many points and memories I relate to. I don’t really do fandom but these two guys Irespect enormously. As for travelling with just hand luggage, this is the guy who this summer and last summer spent five weeks travelling in Europe Solo on a motorbike, so I obviously agree. All I need is a decent mattress, shower, camera and a computer, and because I’m on a motorbike lots of fresh underwear to deal with those many moments I have.
Watching this, I can't stop thinking about the contrast in the width of both heads! I mean, they couldn't be more opposite; at times it feels as if it is a cartoon animation.
Guys, as a Spotify listener I want to say you overdid it with the ads. We pay to listen ad-free and that's not okay.
Carlos Reutemann, Juan Pablo Montoya and Didier Pironi
keep up the good work chaps
My favorite Irish man is Arthur Wellesley 1st Duke of Wellington.
Stirling Moss, Didier Pironi & Gilles Villeneuve, Juan Pablo Montoya... maybe Dereck Warwick
The Bay City Rollers made the best Scotch music since the first bagpipe-blowing. Max Verstappen was the best driver since Schumacher (who was the best ever), even though he had not won a Championship by the time Formula One disappeared.
These pod casts are a breath of fresh air , no political correctness just strait talk keep them coming , fantastic 😀😀😀
Bloody hell. Silloth! I thought that place was a right dump! We went there on holiday once, and thankfully once only😂 We were put off by 2 headed, crazy, radio active fed Rabbits running around on the beach. Running away from Sellafield, all the way to Silloth, before they dropped dead. Poor you DC😅
What about Jean Alesi?
@someoneunseen5168
10 күн бұрын
Probably needed to win more than 1 race to be considered in great drivers who didnt win a wc.
@tomcharlton586
10 күн бұрын
he deserved so much more than one win. in the mid nineties i would have put him as the second fastest and most talented driver after schumi.@@someoneunseen5168
@SpaceHCowboy
10 күн бұрын
@@tomcharlton586 well seen yae troll around blethering on about utter pish. Jean Alesi?.? Aye, good yin. Away and take yer mouth fura wash. Steamin fuudd. 🤣🤣
Chris Amon.
My F1 hero, Gilles Villeneuve, immediately comes to mind
Top 3 - Sir Stirling, Chris Amon and Giles. They were in a different league...
Giles Villeneuve should have been champion along with Moss who consulted with the design of corner 5 at Mosport 🇨🇦
Gilles Villeneuve by far
Good call on the childhood memories being more durable Mr Coulthard.
U.S.A. here Connecticut
Men have some involuntary actions - hands going above a head on a missed goal is just one. We also have another but that ome is more like scoring a goal....😂❤
Gilles Villeneuve and Francois Cevert for sure
Question for Eddie: Is it true that before asking Schumacher in 1991, you actually wanted to contract Bernd Schneider?
Hi from Japan!
Francois Cevert!
If Sterling miss isn’t the answer then…. Well, it’s just wrong.
And the little island of jersey 🇯🇪 ❤
Juan was the fastest driver when he could be bothered, definitely deserving of being a champion.
Ah Brittas bay EJ absolutely beautiful